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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: RoversAlias on July 12, 2018, 06:07:38 pm
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Liam Mandeville has joined Morecambe on loan for the season, per Liam Hoden. This is the last year of his contrast so he's probably done as a Rovers player now.
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He had his 25 mins of fame . It was good while it lasted .
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It is a new start for the lad, I wish him well and also think he will have another 25 minutes of fame 69.
It is a lot longer than some of the strikers we have kept have ever had, two or three of them scored about 6 goals between Christmas and the end of last season if you added them all up together.
No doubt we will have a share in whatever he does, because I would hazard a guess we will be paying some if not the majority of his wages there.
At least if he does well before Christmas we may have a chance of a transfer fee in January, so don't be your usual arse and get praying he does well early in the season, which he is more than capable of.
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I once thought he would be the great wonder boy for Rovers, but it all turned sour in one match substitution. Quite bizarre. He was on cloud nine when I last sat next to him at a sponsor's meal and now he is an outcast.
I really hope he sorts himself out. So much wasted talent if only he could be motivated.
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Had a number of opportunities to prove himself. We should move on. This in on his shoulders.
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Well, we all have our opinions, mine is it was as much to do with miss management by Fergie than anything else.
The same with Lund and Garrett as well.
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Another young lad paid too much money and has too much time on his hands. Also spent a lot more time in Leeds and Teesside drinking instead of looking after himself and improving. Shame but he won’t be last. It must be so hard to stay away from temptation. It’s all too easy to criticise but he did look like he might have what it takes... oh well.
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Fergie like to stamp authority on players,which is fair enough as a manager of any business or organisation you have to do,but and it’s a very big but he liked to use players as scapegoats for his own failings.
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So, what's McCann done, then?
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Fergy gave him enough chances & he blew them, awful lazy attitude. It can't be just coincidence that 3 managers don't want him. Good luck to him but he must have a decent agent.
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It is a good job he has now gone to a club that has a manager who has constantly got more out of his players than the sum of the parts then.
Instead of managers who bleat about budgets, and how hard life is while running about in their Mercedes.
If he does well in the first half of the season we may still get a transfer fee, lets hope we do, after all fergie was pillocked by Sheffield United with Whiteman. Although whether we are bright enough to have a recall after 6 months and even give ourselves a chance of making something out of it is open to question. We have not been up to it in the past.
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Whiteman for me was an un-necessary panic signing. How many tines did he end up on the bench after signing, another one for the future? If that's the case why did the Blades let him go.
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Whiteman for me was an un-necessary panic signing. How many tines did he end up on the bench after signing, another one for the future? If that's the case why did the Blades let him go.
Sheffield Wednesday released Jamie Vardy. Up to Whiteman to make Blades regret it.
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I was not suggesting that Whiteman was a bad buy, I think he is a good player,and will get better.
Just pointing out that Fergie and the club were outmaneuvered, and that in Mandevilles case, we have had the same opportunity to get something for him in January if he has a good start to this season, which is not beyond the bounds of possibility.
On past record I will not hold my breath, and that we have been proactive in our thinking, and could not wait to get the lad out of the door as quick as possible.
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I was not suggesting that Whiteman was a bad buy, I think he is a good player,and will get better.
Just pointing out that Fergie and the club were outmaneuvered, and that in Mandevilles case, we have had the same opportunity to get something for him in January if he has a good start to this season, which is not beyond the bounds of possibility.
On past record I will not hold my breath, and that we have been proactive in our thinking, and could not wait to get the lad out of the door as quick as possible.
If Mandeville gets the chance at Morecambe and still flops, will you admit that the lad himself is the problem here rather than the manager or anything else?
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No, I am an old cussed B*****D.
Will you bet me £50 to be given to the youth team that he scores more goals than Alfie May, Kiwomya, and Beestin this coming season? Thats three chances to my one RA.
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Well he will be in a lower division...
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No, I am an old cussed B*****D.
Will you bet me £50 to be given to the youth team that he scores more goals than Alfie May, Kiwomya, and Beestin this coming season? Thats three chances to my one RA.
Well, no, because he'll be in a lower division for a start. Your response proves to me that you will just always think he's good and any evidence to the contrary you will ignore.
If in January he hasn't got it done at Morecambe having had half a season in League 2 then that should put the debate to rest. He isn't good enough.
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Heart like a pea. If we sign a couple of decent forwards and the midfielders people want us to sign I will be very surprised if those three get a lot of game time, so I will give you the ChekaTrade Trophy as well if you want, oh I forgot you they didn't count last season because Mandeville scored a couple.
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Just a minute, he had half a season at Colchester didn't he and what did he prove there - that he could sit on a bench?
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He's not good enough so I'm glad he's gone, he couldn't pull the wool over DF's eyes nor GM so good riddance
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Heart like a pea. If we sign a couple of decent forwards and the midfielders people want us to sign I will be very surprised if those three get a lot of game time, so I will give you the ChekaTrade Trophy as well if you want, oh I forgot you they didn't count last season because Mandeville scored a couple.
"Heart like a pea" because I won't put up money on your terms?
As it is I don't have £50 to bet, Selby. Not that it's any of your business, but I'm rather poor. I'm also not keen to bet that a contracted Rovers player will be crap, as I hope Mandeville lights up L2 for Morecambe.
I asked a simple question, and you answered with the expected response - that you will always think Mandeville is being held down by other people rather than himself. The buck stops with the player in situations like this, but you refuse to see it. If by January he has 2 goals in 20 games for Morecambe, how could you possibly say that's down to anyone but himself? He had plenty of chance at the start of last season and he didn't take it. Fergie put faith in him, he made him a starting striker at a level he'd not really played at before and he blew his chance. McCann has come in, spoken to him, seen him in a friendly, got feedback off staff members who know him better and also let's not forget, McCann watched most of our matches from last season so will have studied Mandeville's performances there too. You act like McCann took a glance at him in a meaningless friendly and decided he didn't like him when it won't be like that at all. The facts don't add up to meet your viewpoint I'm afraid.
1. He didn't prove himself when given the chance here last season.
2. He demonstrated an attitude problem to the previous manager but was still given more chances in the first team, he didn't take them.
3. He got given a chance to impress out on loan and his new manager didn't see enough in him to play him ahead of other, not exactly brilliant, strikers.
4. He has garnered a reputation for being too laid back, and for going out drinking a bit more than maybe he should.
5. He has made a poor first impression on the new Rovers manager and been loaned out accordingly.
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I am with Selby on this I am convinced Mandy is good enough but we seem to be in the minority. I have a holiday booked in September in Morecombe and I will make every effort to watch him and form my own opinion as to his potential. I enjoyed his good run of form with us and I find it hard to accept the lad has been written off by my club.
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Well the bets open to others if they want it, your gamble is he will be on the bench at Morcombe has substance after his history at Colchester so dip in there if you are confident, I will have to give £50 to the youth team.
Seams to be an easy bet for you, come on have a go. RA has just given you 5 reasons to have a bet.
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RA, in no way was I trying to belittle you personally sorry mate.
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Mandeville if he could be arsed would be our second best striker. Shame attitude, personal habits,etc have ruined a promising career.
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RA, in no way was I trying to belittle you personally sorry mate.
No worries Selby, we'll probably just be debating Mandeville til the end of time no matter where he ends up.
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RA, in no way was I trying to belittle you personally sorry mate.
No worries Selby, we'll probably just be debating Mandeville til the end of time no matter where he ends up.
He's either going to be the next Brian Deane or the next Waide Fairhurst. We'll probably have a clearer idea this time next year.
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I am with Selby on this I am convinced Mandy is good enough but we seem to be in the minority. I have a holiday booked in September in Morecombe and I will make every effort to watch him and form my own opinion as to his potential. I enjoyed his good run of form with us and I find it hard to accept the lad has been written off by my club.
He probably does have the talent but there's no point having the talent if you've not got the mindset.
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If he is the next Brian Dean ( another I was ridiculed for thinking he had it) you lot had better watch out he he,
If he is Fairhurst you will find me on the Barnsley or Rotherham forum.
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Might want to get signed up now then.
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Are you game for a bet then Redj, you seem confident, its for a good cause.
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Rj , I could accept that statement if we were not giving a trial to a 30 yr old who has a drink problem, and has been drummed out of a club because of it.
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If he is the next Brian Dean ( another I was ridiculed for thinking he had it) you lot had better watch out he he,
If he is Fairhurst you will find me on the Barnsley or Rotherham forum.
I'm serious about that. He doesn't strike me as the sort who will be a lower league journeyman. He'll either get his head down at Morecambe and do wonders or he'll be out of the game in a couple of years.
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Missed a penalty tonight!
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Selby, I am more than willing to match your bet if you get more takers.
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Alick, I don't think many have got the courage of their own convictions.
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No, because it's an unfair bet. He's in a lower division so he's got a better chance of scoring more goals, and you know it. Nothing in the world is ever going to convince you that he just isn't that good because he can't be arsed to use his talent, is it?
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Missed a penalty tonight!
That doesn't make a bad player though. Messi missed one last week.
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Sounds like someone with a heart like a pea to me Rj all wind and piss comes to mind.
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“Heart like a pea” could be a pretty fitting description of Mandeville.
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Just a minute, he had half a season at Colchester didn't he and what did he prove there - that he could sit on a bench?
That's unfairly harsh. I recall that when he went there it was to replace an injured striker, but the injury didn't come to anything so he was always down the pecking order. Yes, he could have worked his way into the side but he was always up against the situation.
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Another one who might go with his convictions Nick, surly a player with no effort or heart is worth betting against Nick, or are you in the same mould as the others, more rattle than substance?
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I’ve no interest in making a bet - I’m just incredibly bored of your posts in defence of a player who has done nothing for us of note in recent time despite having a raft of chances. He may well be a success at Morecambe - in fact I hope he is, as we could potentially recall and get him playing well for us or instead get something for him when he leaves next summer.
I don’t want to make a bet with you because a) I have better things to spend £50 on and b) the odds are in your favour as the players you’ve suggested for Rovers are playing in a higher league, and either don’t play as out and out strikers or aren’t likely to play week in, week out, or both. If you think that means I have a heart like a pea then that’s your prerogative, but you and I obviously have different measures of things like that.
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Has anyone ever thought that Mandeville isn't/wasn't as good as was believed, or good enough to carve out a long and sustained career in professional football?
He never asked for expectation to be put on his shoulders so it's not his fault that he can't live up to hype/expectations. All he can do is try his best - if that gets him somewhere then good on him, but it might have been more beneficial in the long-term if, inadvertently, expectations went so high because of his early promise.
Well I never bought into the Mandeville hype.
Yes, he did have a decent little run of games in the team but to my mind he never really showed enough consistently.
The lad is a decent finisher but he needs to add much more to his game and I am not sure he has it in him.
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Nick, for every post I have made you and other keyboard warriors have made a derogative post about Mandeville, some have just been downright offensive so I responded.
You have had quick fingers, typed things that suited your argument, Now you are saying the players you championed last season will not be in the team this season.
It has been said he has a bad attitude, is not good enough to play league football, and three managers cannot be wrong, he is a drinker, all on this thread, and I am giving any of you the chance to back your convictions. Hearts like a pea.
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He. Will. Be. Playing. In. A. Lower. Division.
He's bound to have more chances to score more goals if he's against worse defenders. That's assuming he can impress enough in training to even get onto the pitch.
I remember you vociferously backing Harry Middleton, look where his career has gone.
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Selby, it's clear that you are very entrenched in your opinion. My opinion on Mandeville is very simple:
- He showed initial promise coming through
- He has failed to build on that promise under Ferguson and a loan spell at Colchester
- McCann has come in and decided he's not worth a place in the first team squad at this time so sent him on loan
- I hope he succeeds on loan and either comes back to win a first team place or gets us some money in and continues his career elsewhere
My opinion on your bet is also pretty simple:
- I never bet amounts anywhere near that size and have things I'd rather spend £50 on
- Kiwomya is a winger, Beestin isn't an out and out striker and I don't think May will play all that often (nor do I rate him particularly highly).
- Mandeville is playing in a league lower, playing against poorer defences, and is more of an out and out striker so has a good chance of outscoring all of them
If you think that making a bet makes you such a brave man, I suggest you get some odds on Mandeville being League Two's top scorer and have a wager on that. Then you can come waving your winnings in all these cowards' faces afterwards.
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Can agree with most of that Nick, quite an interesting take that on Fergies tenure, Playing two of the players out of position, you can add Blair, Mason, Rowe, and in the last few games Houghton to that particular list, and Alfie May will not play many games.
Let's hope all three impress you more this season, as well as Mandeville at Morcombe.