Well done Jezza!!

[rtid88]

Not his biggest fan by any stretch, but a vote against the corrupt and one sided Right wing media is enough for me. What a horrid country we live in. Sure BST and his ex left wing mate Bob will love this post!! 

[Glyn_Wigley]

A vote against the right-wing media? The last thing they would have wanted was for Jezza to lose!

[rtid88]

Are you telling me every media stream in the country has not been horrifically against Corbyn for months for no reason other than the fact he is against the social norm??

[wesisback]

Of course they have and its been embarassing to see the depths they sunk to in order to do it. A bigger win than the last leadership election and won convincingly in Members, registered supporters and affiliated supporters. You can only imagine what the % would have been before they purged Corbyn supporters and outpriced them from voting.

[idler]

Unfortunately Wes to be elected you need to convince most of the electorate not most of your party's supporters.
To get bigger gates at the Keepmoat we need to attract people that aren't currently going plus keep existing fans attending.
In my eyes and a lot of traditional Labour voters that I know there is no feeling that Corbyn could provide a decent government.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Are you telling me every media stream in the country has not been horrifically against Corbyn for months for no reason other than the fact he is against the social norm??

No, but they didn't want him to lose the leadership of the Labour party either. If you think he's getting it bad now, wait till you see what they'll save up for him until just before the next General Election. He's such an easy target to smear.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

  would be my take on it.  Labour doing it's favourite thing, talking to its small band of followers not the country.  Destined to lose.

[wilts rover]

And what is it 'the country' would like to hear that Jeffery Corbyn isn't saying then? More tax cuts?

To keep repeating what I said on several occassions, 33% - that is one third - of 'the country' didn't see anything worthwhile in any of the parties to vote for them in 2015.

[Copps is Magic]

People will warm to Corbyn in time. Ultimately he wants a fairer society and has a sound and just economic plan to deliver it. The numbers aren't significant - they are all individuals, real people, (some more devoted than others) who will campaign hard for labour over the coming years.

[Glyn_Wigley]

People will warm to Corbyn in time.

He's had a year, how long does it take?

[Copps is Magic]

He's had two leadership elections in a year. How many more should he face?

[wesisback]

A year where his own politicians have been too busy plunging knives into his back to really push his policies and the good it will do for the very needy in society. I genuinely believe that a united Labour with the thousands upon thousands of new highly energised members could make a significant difference.

[BobG]

You're dead right Wes. It would speed the end of the Labour Party as any meaningful force. I don't suppose you're old enough to remember the early 1980's? We've been here before. It led, directly, to 4 consecutive Tory governments. Henry Ford was wrong. History can teach us things - if people are willing to learn. If you are old enough to remember those times, then a few minutes thinking about cause and effect would be time very well spent. Politics is the art of the possible. It is most defintely not the art of what you, or I, or anybody else, might want.

And, just out of interest, why the personal attacks? Is debate not allowed in the new Corbynista world?

Cheers

BobG

[Sprotyrover]

There was a poignant slogan painted on the gable end of Crossland way shops many year ago it went something like the "From another 5 years of Tory Hell,May the good Lord preserve us"!

[wilts rover]

You are correct Bob, Henry Ford was wrong, very wrong. The man who denied that Germany had invaded Poland, until several days after it happened, as it was 'made up by Jewish bankers', whose company made the military equipment for that regime and whose politics were such that the 'pre-war German leader' had his portrait in his office and regarded him as the leader of the facisits in America, is certainly not someone who you should be listening to on the question of history, particuarly on the history and future policy of the Labour Party. Unless it is in tandem with what they should be fighting against. And there is still plenty of evidence of that, 80 Years on from the Battle of Cable Street.

That's why 'the left' is relevant - and why your denial of it is dangerous. Because the right is still there and more dangerous now than at any time - since the 1980's.

You can pick and choose your periods of history if you wish, ignore the declining support for Blair and Brown at each election after 1997 if you wish. But that is a lot more relevant than Clause 4 and renationalising the mines and steelworks. The Winter of Discontent isn't relevant anymore, Austerity, Brexit and mass immigration/refugees are.

Where would be if Keir Hardie and Clement Atlee had thought like you eh? They didn't think it was impossible to make a socialist cause possible?

[BobG]

Hi Wilts

I'm not, definitely, saying the left is neccesarily wrong. I agree with quite a lot of what Corbyn says. But  like I keep saying, politics is the art of the possible. And Jeremy Corbyn is destined to lead the Labour Party nowhere except, in governmental terms at least,  oblivion. So what point is there in supporting JC if he has zero chance of ever implementing anything at all? I'd rather support someone with major flaws as far as my view of politics goes, if he has a chance of actually doing one or two things I agree with.

The right wing in this country has always been dangerous. Of course it has. Keeping that danger in check is not achieved by allowing a fantasist, offering countless open goals to the press and the opposition, to lead the Labour Party. It's achieved by the Labour Party making itself electable. That means appealing to people who don't support the current leadership. Even if JC appeals to 100% of left wing activists and young radicals, he ain't going to form a government. He is going to be pilloried, roasted over an open fire, by the press - unless they play the clever game of roasting him just enough to ensure he loses the election without ensuring he loses his job as well. He's the best thing that's happened to the Tory Party since Michael Foot. The Tories will try to keep him in his job. Thats's where, and when, the right wing in this country becomes so damn dangerous. Theyve got a generation in power ahead unless something very remarkable happens.

Bob

PS I wont even bother to comment on your selective use of stats out of context.  That's shameful.

[Sammy Chung was King]

Corbyn seems to be a nice enough guy, there's no doubt he thinks differently to most politicians. I do genuinely feel he wants to make peoples lives better by changing the way things are done. He is just fighting against such a tide of corruption he can't succeed against.
There are too many who don't want things to change. They have a lovely niche carved for themselves and will fight to retain the priveleges and money that they have.
This will just run on and on, his opponents will go through the many speeches he has produced and keep picking bits out that suit their agenda to remove him.

People are so used to the leader who says one thing does another. Countless spin doctors waffling rubbish. The submarines without missiles, whether it's true or not will continue to be used against him. It makes him unelectable as well as other things they beat him with.
He strikes me as a man with lots of ideas but not decisive enough to make them reality. He is a dreamer who wants to make a perfect world, only it's too late.
He just will not be elected into government, the sad thing is that doesn't seem to be his objective. I think being prime minister would terrify him. Nowhere to hide when you have the top job.
So sad that there is a tory government there for the taking, and not one leader capable of taking advantage.

[Copps is Magic]

There's the confines of history and then the responsibility of the individual. I am not going to compromise my individual vote (as measly as it it) to grease the inevitability of some broad historical shifts. I'll be voting for what I believe is right as an individual,  as I always have done.

[Sprotyrover]

How many on here still believe he will revive the Coal mining Industry?

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

People will warm to Corbyn in time. Ultimately he wants a fairer society and has a sound and just economic plan to deliver it. The numbers aren't significant - they are all individuals, real people, (some more devoted than others) who will campaign hard for labour over the coming years.

A sound economic plan, with ideas like this?  Archaic would be the word.  The same old big bad capitalism line and increased taxes on those successful.  Not what I would call sound.

Just how much do we think it would cost to be successful manufacturing wise?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37468209

[Copps is Magic]

The economy has been in a prolonged period of stagnation for going on 7 years now. It is sensible economic policy to intervene in large manufacturing industries. When we do it with banks, or by printing money, people don't bat an eyelid. The costs of not doing so are far greater than actually doing it.

[Copps is Magic]

How many on here still believe he will revive the Coal mining Industry?

A brief moment of googling would have solved that dilemma for you shag.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-34398851

[wing commander]

    Labour are paying the price for having no quality in there ranks who wanted to challenge him...With this vote they have condemed themselves to a long period of opposition but as Corbyn himself has admitted "winning isn't everything"...The reality is that there are 5 million people in the electorate who have left wing views and to win a election there needs to be 13m,he will never convert enough people...
    As a now floating voter (and I'm the type of person who needs convincing to win) How can any Labour member expect me to vote for someone whose own MP'S,the only people who work with him on a daily basis don't think he's good enough...Copps goes on about sensible economic policy??? Nobody has a clue what Labours policies are anymore not even themselves...I am crying out for a party to relate too but boy it will never be him........

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

The economy has been in a prolonged period of stagnation for going on 7 years now. It is sensible economic policy to intervene in large manufacturing industries. When we do it with banks, or by printing money, people don't bat an eyelid. The costs of not doing so are far greater than actually doing it.

Your sensible is my expensive.  It is impossible to compete and achieve living wage etc, impossible in so many areas.

[The Red Baron]

The economy has been in a prolonged period of stagnation for going on 7 years now. It is sensible economic policy to intervene in large manufacturing industries. When we do it with banks, or by printing money, people don't bat an eyelid. The costs of not doing so are far greater than actually doing it.

Of course they can intervene in industry (assuming they get into power of course) because of Brexit. Had they tried to do so while still in the EU the Commission would have been over them like a cheap suit.

Maybe goes some way to explaining why JC was such a reluctant Remainer.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

The economy has been in a prolonged period of stagnation for going on 7 years now. It is sensible economic policy to intervene in large manufacturing industries. When we do it with banks, or by printing money, people don't bat an eyelid. The costs of not doing so are far greater than actually doing it.

Of course they can intervene in industry (assuming they get into power of course) because of Brexit. Had they tried to do so while still in the EU the Commission would have been over them like a cheap suit.

Maybe goes some way to explaining why JC was such a reluctant Remainer.

I did think this also.  But they still have a lot of trade barriers that they would struggle to get past, it can't be a half way house.

Ironically their strategy again appears to be spend and borrow. That can work but does the electorate see it that way?

[Copps is Magic]

It's investment. Investment is when you know the pay-off's are jobs and increased economic activity. And it becomes sensible when you realise we have a housing crisis that we can build ourselves out of, we have renewable energy resources on our doorsteps, we have a highly skilled workforce and are world-leaders in most scientific endeavors. Why wouldn't you invest?

I see also Labour has just this minute pledged to introduce a living wage into law. Another great step forward.

[wing commander]

    And who is going to do this investment Copps...Most people are employed by company's with 0-25 employee's...These company's haven't ever seen a penny of outside investment ever!!! They struggle to compete with low wages elsewhere like Poland,Romania,China as it is..Just how are they going to pay a £10 living wage??? Nobody wants to explain that in the Labour party..it's pure fantasy.....

[Copps is Magic]

This is not just a labour party thing WC. The tory party also want a living wage by 2020, but have pegged their minimum amount at £9 (to be decided by the government) - which will be lower than what it currently is for London now. What McDonnell has said is that he will introduce a living wage into law and the best guesses for the projected amount by 2020 will be around £10. So a living wage is probably coming sooner or later whether you like it or not. (In essence, what the tory party mean is a jumped up minimum wage, the labour party actually want a living wage)

Attempts to put amounts on it, in any case, are missing the point (and politically motivated). It's a living wage, it's the amount (which should be calculated independently of government) that covers the basic costs of living. It's not perfect, but it seems the very least of what any person in society should expect.

People had the same arguments about the introduction of the minimum wage but it had no negative effects on employment.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

It's investment. Investment is when you know the pay-off's are jobs and increased economic activity. And it becomes sensible when you realise we have a housing crisis that we can build ourselves out of, we have renewable energy resources on our doorsteps, we have a highly skilled workforce and are world-leaders in most scientific endeavors. Why wouldn't you invest?

I see also Labour has just this minute pledged to introduce a living wage into law. Another great step forward.

The living wage inflation generator, plus how will we pay for this? As wc says it will hit companies hard.

As for investment those points you mentioned are tiny absolutely tiny.  This also adds to the question of do we really have an issue?  More people have jobs than ever before, yet it's claimed there's a major issue?