Stat of the Day, and Omens?

[Dutch Uncle]

Rovers now have 5 players with 7 league goals or more (Marquis 14, Williams 8, Coppinger 8, Mandeville 7, Rowe 7)

The last time this happened was 2003-04 (Blundell 18, Fortune-West 11, McIndoe 10, Brown 10, Green 8)

Before that we have to go back to 1968-69 (Jeffrey 12, Regan 10, Johnson 8, Watson 8, Gilfillan 7)

Anyone see the connection?

Those were the last two seasons we won the Title at Tier 4 

By the way, injuries and transfer windows permitting, we would seem to have a chance of 5 players in double figures. This has only ever happened twice in our history before - in 1938-39 (Actually 6 players in that season) and 1946-47 - the two seasons immediately before and after World War 2.

However with good leadership in the White House we don't need to worrry about WW3...... oh hang on a minute

 

[Nudga]

How many times have we won division 4 championship Dutch?

Also, if we win it again, would it make Copps our most decorated player?

[Dutch Uncle]

How many times have we won division 4 championship Dutch?

Also, if we win it again, would it make Copps our most decorated player?

We have won Tier 4 on three occasions - 1965-66 and 1968-69 when it was called Divison 4, and then in 2003-4 when it was called Division 3 (was rebranded/renamed Division 2 the following year). I seem to remember some suggestions of us keeping the trophy for winning it three times being rejected because of the name change - but that might just be rumour or a creative memory.

Copps Most decorated? It depends on your definition.

If (big big if) we were to win the title this year Copps would join a list of 6 players who have played in 2 title winning sides - Syd Bycroft, Bert Tindill and Paul Todd (1946-47 and 1949-50), Alick Jeffrey and Bob Gilfillan (1965-66 and 1968-69) and Chris Brown (2003-04 and 2012-13).

However if we are promoted I believe Copps would be only the second player to play in 3 promotion winning sides, joining Paul Green (2002-03, 2003-04 and 2007-08).

Unlike any of the others above except Paul Green, Copps also has a JPT Winners' medal as well.

[RedJ]

So yeah, basically.

[philsky]

how many times have we done back to back promotions ?

[Dutch Uncle]

So yeah, basically.

If we win the title then he is the only one with 2 titles, 3 promotions and a JPT.

If we are promoted without winning the title, then there are 6 players with more league titles, but they don't have a JPT; and he would be equal with Paul Green with 1 title, 3 promotions and a JPT

So sort of maybe possibly he might be..........

[Dutch Uncle]

how many times have we done back to back promotions ?

Just the once - 2002-03 and 2003-04 Conference to Tier 3

Equally only once consecutive relegations - 1957-58 and 1958-59 Tier 2 to Tier 4

[Dagenham Rover]

How many times have we won division 4 championship Dutch?

Also, if we win it again, would it make Copps our most decorated player?

We have won Tier 4 on three occasions - 1965-66 and 1968-69 when it was called Divison 4, and then in 2003-4 when it was called Division 3 (was rebranded/renamed Division 2 the following year). I seem to remember some suggestions of us keeping the trophy for winning it three times being rejected because of the name change - but that might just be rumour or a creative memory.

Copps Most decorated? It depends on your definition.

If (big big if) we were to win the title this year Copps would join a list of 6 players who have played in 2 title winning sides - Syd Bycroft, Bert Tindill and Paul Todd (1946-47 and 1949-50), Alick Jeffrey and Bob Gilfillan (1965-66 and 1968-69) and Chris Brown (2003-04 and 2012-13).

However if we are promoted I believe Copps would be only the second player to play in 3 promotion winning sides, joining Paul Green (2002-03, 2003-04 and 2007-08).

Unlike any of the others above except Paul Green, Copps also has a JPT Winners' medal as well.

Its not creative memory and yes that was the reason for the claim being rejected

[philsky]

which is an insane reason !

[Dutch Uncle]

Thanks Dagenham. I couldn't find a source, and some things you just want to be true!

[roversron]

Dutch you are my hero everything you post is interesting and informative. ...I wish you sat behind me at the keepmoat every fortnight! !!

[Dutch Uncle]

You are very kind Ron, but to be fair, in my eyes The Red Baron is the real authority on this site, and I do miss BillyStubbsTears' contributions.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Rovers now have 5 players with 7 league goals or more (Marquis 14, Williams 8, Coppinger 8, Mandeville 7, Rowe 7)

The last time this happened was 2003-04 (Blundell 18, Fortune-West 11, McIndoe 10, Brown 10, Green 8)

Before that we have to go back to 1968-69 (Jeffrey 12, Regan 10, Johnson 8, Watson 8, Gilfillan 7)

Anyone see the connection?

Those were the last two seasons we won the Title at Tier 4 

By the way, injuries and transfer windows permitting, we would seem to have a chance of 5 players in double figures. This has only ever happened twice in our history before - in 1938-39 (Actually 6 players in that season) and 1946-47 - the two seasons immediately before and after World War 2.

However with good leadership in the White House we don't need to worrry about WW3...... oh hang on a minute

 

It would be some feat if we could finish up with Marquis 20, Williams 15, Copps 12, Rowe 12, Mandeville 10. And for good measure Blair and May chipping in with 5 each.

Is that being greedy?

[Dutch Uncle]

Not at all DBR

Just add an impeachment to the own goals tally as well.......

[philsky]

I appeciate that this is a road well travelled but is in not perfectly feasible for Copps to become out all time appearance record holder ?

Would it be sorted next season if he carrys on as he is now ?

[Dutch Uncle]

I appeciate that this is a road well travelled but is in not perfectly feasible for Copps to become out all time appearance record holder ?

Would it be sorted next season if he carrys on as he is now ?

He already is Phil

Previous holder was Colin Douglas with 468 in all competitions; Copps made his 500th appearance at Morecambe this season

[philsky]

Where have i been

 

[Campsall rover]

Not if but when we are champions this season we will be the only club to have won the 3rd and 4th tiers 7 times.
3rd tier 3 times 1934/34 1946/67 and 2012/13
4th tier 4 times 1965/66 1968/69 2003/04 and 2016/17

[Dutch Uncle]

Where have i been

 

Deepest Pinner? 

[Dutch Uncle]

Not if but when we are champions this season we will be the only club to have won the 3rd and 4th tiers 7 times.
3rd tier 3 times 1934/34 1946/67 and 2012/13
4th tier 4 times 1965/66 1968/69 2003/04 and 2016/17

Actually it would be 8, we also won the 3rd tier in 1949-50

We currently lead list of Title winners at tier 3 and 4 with 7; our nearest challangers are Chesterfield with 6 followed by Brighton, Brentford, Notts County and Plymouth with 5

[Campsall rover]

Not if but when we are champions this season we will be the only club to have won the 3rd and 4th tiers 7 times.
3rd tier 3 times 1934/34 1946/67 and 2012/13
4th tier 4 times 1965/66 1968/69 2003/04 and 2016/17

Actually it would be 8, we also won the 3rd tier in 1949-50

We currently lead list of Title winners at tier 3 and 4 with 7; our nearest challangers are Chesterfield with 6 followed by Brighton, Brentford, Notts County and Plymouth with 5

Correct forgot 1949/50 for some reason I thought we were runners up 

[Dutch Uncle]

Actually it is turning out to be very apt that The Red Baron is writing a series of articles in this season's matchday programmes celebrating 70 years since the record breaking 1946-47 season. This year may well turn out to be the second best in our history - after 26 games we have 55 points @ 3 per win, or the equivalent of 38 @ 2 per win. Only 1946-47 clearly beats that. 1927-28 was equal, although as a warning that season we fell away and finished 4th. In 1949-50 after 26 games we had 38 points @ 2 per win, but only 14 wins meant 52 @ 3 per win.

[Bristol Red Rover]

1927-28 was a great almost season. It was between us and Bradford PA, most of the season. We did a double on them but we fell away over March/April, with injuries being a problem.

Our home record that season was impressive, particularly the size of the wins, though again, that fell away in the latter parts. 55 home goals in 21 matches, 26 of those by Tom Keetley - which I think is a home goals record for an individual, and the 55 for the club too?

[Dutch Uncle]

1927-28 was a great almost season. It was between us and Bradford PA, most of the season. We did a double on them but we fell away over March/April, with injuries being a problem.

Our home record that season was impressive, particularly the size of the wins, though again, that fell away in the latter parts. 55 home goals in 21 matches, 26 of those by Tom Keetley - which I think is a home goals record for an individual, and the 55 for the club too?

Checking Tony Bluff's book, we actually scored 59 goals at home in 1927-28. However the most home goals in a season for the club was in 1946-47 - 67 goals helped by 9-2 and 8-0 home wins over Carlisle and Barrow. We also scored 58 goals at home in 1926-27, and Tom Keetley scored 29 of those, so the 1927-28 figures are the second best in both team and individual cases. 

[Drover]

How many times have we won division 4 championship Dutch?

Also, if we win it again, would it make Copps our most decorated player?

We have won Tier 4 on three occasions - 1965-66 and 1968-69 when it was called Divison 4, and then in 2003-4 when it was called Division 3 (was rebranded/renamed Division 2 the following year). I seem to remember some suggestions of us keeping the trophy for winning it three times being rejected because of the name change - but that might just be rumour or a creative memory.

Copps Most decorated? It depends on your definition.

If (big big if) we were to win the title this year Copps would join a list of 6 players who have played in 2 title winning sides - Syd Bycroft, Bert Tindill and Paul Todd (1946-47 and 1949-50), Alick Jeffrey and Bob Gilfillan (1965-66 and 1968-69) and Chris Brown (2003-04 and 2012-13).

However if we are promoted I believe Copps would be only the second player to play in 3 promotion winning sides, joining Paul Green (2002-03, 2003-04 and 2007-08).

Unlike any of the others above except Paul Green, Copps also has a JPT Winners' medal as well.

Its not creative memory and yes that was the reason for the claim being rejected

Is it same trophy we won each time,or was the trophy changed when the name changed?

[Dutch Uncle]

Good question, I wondered that as well Drover. Anyone know?

[Drover]

Had a quick look Dutch and found these,
Seems it changed,and sadly,that I would think,is their reason for the rejection,as it's a different trophy.

[Dutch Uncle]

Thanks Drover, makes sense

[idler]

Was on the tourist train round St. Kitts today and we passed through a village called Belle Vue or Belle View. I imagine that it was our spelling as it was originally named by the French.
Wife been confined to cabin for 24 hours so I even got her Piña Colada as well. 😎

[Bristol Red Rover]

1927-28 was a great almost season. It was between us and Bradford PA, most of the season. We did a double on them but we fell away over March/April, with injuries being a problem.

Our home record that season was impressive, particularly the size of the wins, though again, that fell away in the latter parts. 55 home goals in 21 matches, 26 of those by Tom Keetley - which I think is a home goals record for an individual, and the 55 for the club too?

Checking Tony Bluff's book, we actually scored 59 goals at home in 1927-28. However the most home goals in a season for the club was in 1946-47 - 67 goals helped by 9-2 and 8-0 home wins over Carlisle and Barrow. We also scored 58 goals at home in 1926-27, and Tom Keetley scored 29 of those, so the 1927-28 figures are the second best in both team and individual cases. 

You're a far better statto than me! I think I'm right in counting Tom Keetley's tally of 7 home hattricks in that '26-'27 season. I doubt that will ever be surpassed!