Who's fault is the last few games?

[DonnyOsmond]

One Item of DF's management has been his decision to bring off James Coppinger in quite a few matches ,this makes me wonder why he made him team captain as surely a team should look to its captain till the end for leadership ? Much better to make him club captain and say Tommy Rowe for team captain as he gives his all like Copps . DF's mind cannot be in sync with what he sees on the field .

Copps has tendinitis. Hasn't been able to complete full 90.

[wesisback]

Listening to Mr Daniels on Radio Sheffield after yesterday's debacle he was of the opinion that a Psychologist was needed for next season. Considering the performance over the last matches I tend to agree.

We already have one, have done for 2 years now

He probably meant a replacement?

Who is mr Daniels?
I know the psychologist he's a mate of mine,

Pass on my congratulations - he's doing a terrific job 

[auckleyflyer]

I think, and this is based on nothing but my feelings, thats hes a bit of a clever t**t, and each season when he thinks the jobs done he has gobbed off to the players regards who's going and who's staying? Both times the effect has been a collapse in team spirit??
Honestly think he's a nasty little feker and cant help himself.
What else could affect results from both sets of players each season so dramatically?

[dickos1]

The collapse last season happened from January to the beginning of April though.
We actually picked up after the players were told about their futures

[dickos1]

Listening to Mr Daniels on Radio Sheffield after yesterday's debacle he was of the opinion that a Psychologist was needed for next season. Considering the performance over the last matches I tend to agree.

We already have one, have done for 2 years now

He probably meant a replacement?

Who is mr Daniels?
I know the psychologist he's a mate of mine,

Pass on my congratulations - he's doing a terrific job 

I agree,
Helped transform a side that couldn't win a game to a side that for the majority of the season couldn't lose a game

[DonnyOsmond]

Now people are calling Fergie a nasty person.

He'll be blamed for the holocaust next.

[wesisback]

Listening to Mr Daniels on Radio Sheffield after yesterday's debacle he was of the opinion that a Psychologist was needed for next season. Considering the performance over the last matches I tend to agree.

We already have one, have done for 2 years now

He probably meant a replacement?

Who is mr Daniels?
I know the psychologist he's a mate of mine,

Pass on my congratulations - he's doing a terrific job 

I agree,
Helped transform a side that couldn't win a game to a side that for the majority of the season couldn't lose a game

For the last two years we've lost our bottle big time at key stages of the season. He can join old Dazza in the 'failed my targets club'.

[drfchound]

I hope we don't get into another bad run of results then.

[dickos1]

Listening to Mr Daniels on Radio Sheffield after yesterday's debacle he was of the opinion that a Psychologist was needed for next season. Considering the performance over the last matches I tend to agree.

We already have one, have done for 2 years now

He probably meant a replacement?

Who is mr Daniels?
I know the psychologist he's a mate of mine,

Pass on my congratulations - he's doing a terrific job 

I agree,
Helped transform a side that couldn't win a game to a side that for the majority of the season couldn't lose a game

For the last two years we've lost our bottle big time at key stages of the season. He can join old Dazza in the 'failed my targets club'.

I'm sure "dazza" has achieved his target

[RedJ]

http://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/doncaster-rovers-it-ll-drive-me-mad-if-we-don-t-win-title-admits-darren-ferguson-1-8508150

[drfchound]

Not all his targets obviously.

[dickos1]

Getting a bit silly now lads,
What's your arguement? Ferguson didn't want to win the title? Ferguson should have played injured players?

[drfchound]

Just pointing out that Ferguson didn't achieve all his targets.
Is that the truth or not?

[dickos1]

I've no idea what his other targets were other than promotion

[drfchound]

Well you obviously didn't read the link posted by RedJ or more likely, have chosen to ignore it to continue the banal arguments.

[dickos1]

I did read it, he wanted to win the title, which is pretty obvious seeing as he is our manager. I wouldn't really expect him to say I want Plymouth to win the title.
But because we didn't doesn't mean he's failed to meet one of the targets set at the beginning of the season does it.

[RedJ]

Surely wanting to achieve something is setting a target... f**k me.

And by failing to achieve said thing he's failed to hit one of his targets.


I'm sure you argue for the sake of it sometimes. How you can argue that not winning the league when he explicitly said he wants to do just that isn't failing to hit one of his targets is just well beyond my comprehension.

[dickos1]

I'm sure every manager in the league at one point or another wanted to win the league. Should they all lose their jobs now?
The only aim at the beginning of the season was promotion.
Brighton have properly f**ked up the title, probably worse than us. I wonder if their boards are full of all this negativity?

[Syme]

I'm sure every manager in the league at one point or another wanted to win the league. Should they all lose their jobs now?
The only aim at the beginning of the season was promotion.
Brighton have properly f**ked up the title, probably worse than us. I wonder if their boards are full of all this negativity?

You might be surprised:

http://www.northstandchat.com/showthread.php?351936-Hughton-s-defensive-tactics

[RedJ]

I'm sure every manager in the league at one point or another wanted to win the league. Should they all lose their jobs now?
The only aim at the beginning of the season was promotion.

1) Not every manager in the league has been in a position of being 6 points ahead of their nearest rivals, 10 points ahead of 3rd place and still ended up 3rd, after having more than one chance at sealing it, and even for the majority of the final game of the season having a hand on the trophy.
2) Can we drop this b*llocks? as I've said elsewhere, we are no longer in August, at the start of the season, so what we would've felt then is meaningless.

[Bentley Bullet]

Now I'm not arguing here because I'm equally as baffled about our poor shows since Mansfield as anyone, but surely Ferguson should receive some praise for getting us in a position of being 6 points ahead of their nearest rivals, and 10 points ahead of 3rd place, prior to the slump?

[RedJ]

Of course. But equally should be criticised for blowing such a position.

[Bentley Bullet]

Yes, he should, but you could also consider the other side of the argument that because he was the first manager in the entire football league to get his team promoted (a feat that should receive great praise in itself), he had to keep his side focused longer.

On that basis, you could say he was too successful, too quickly.

[dickos1]

Exactly Bentley, I've never understood this point of view. Criticising a manager for being in such a good position but then letting it slip.
Very rare anyone points out the manager should be also credited for getting us in such a good position in the first place

[Syme]

Were you praising Ferguson when we got relegated, because, at the end of the day, he did get us up to 11th in January?

[DonnyOsmond]

If we end up long term in a better position with Fergie than when he started who gives a f**k about one relegation.

[auckleyflyer]

Just to add to my post above I do like his style and a nasty side is required when dealing with the classroom that is a squad. Just feel he keeps it the right side of things then lets rip once the job is perceived to be done. A bit like Gavins dad or his own. A manager and assistant with fiery manager /dads??
Im very pro Ferguson. Just cant make sense of the last two season ends.

[Syme]

If we end up long term in a better position with Fergie than when he started who gives a f**k about one relegation.

If.

[dickos1]

Were you praising Ferguson when we got relegated, because, at the end of the day, he did get us up to 11th in January?

He deserved some praise for getting us from bottom to 11th yes
But people who say how can we get relegated from such a good position, forget that it was the same manager that got us into that good position.

[RedJ]

Sorry but what sort of logic is that? he got us relegated in disastrous fashion but it's fine cos he got us up to 11th before we imploded?