Manchester arena explosions

[Glyn_Wigley]

These are mindless ideologists with a dark view of life . Everyone should condemn this as there is no excuse for hiding behind believes or faiths .

Who's hiding?

[bigbadjack]

My lad is 12 and he's supposed to be going to Germany for a week with school, I was a bit unsure originally about sending him but now I don't know what to do for the best, I don't him to miss out these experiences but I also want to protect him and not let him out my sight

[German Rover]

My lad is 12 and he's supposed to be going to Germany for a week with school, I was a bit unsure originally about sending him but now I don't know what to do for the best, I don't him to miss out these experiences but I also want to protect him and not let him out my sight

As you can probably guess by my name I live in Germany. It's as safe as anywhere over here. Your son would miss our on great experience. The summer's just hit in a big way here as well and it's all fine.

It's natural to be scared and want to protect people but you have to let them live as well. It's a rare event, it's just publicised more widely and what they want is for you to be scared, and more draconian laws to be passed because it supports their narrative that the West is against Muslims.

I went to herten on a school trip when I was 15 he'll have a wild time!

[German Rover]

Acts as in all terror related acts , hence to say the two involved with lee rigby should have received the death penalty .

Sorry if my post was miss read

That's what the want though! Then they get worshipped by other f**knuggets as martyrs and heroes. Put them in jail for a long time and expose them as the weak cowards they are. 

Not executing people is one of the things that makes us better than them!

[Filo]

There are no words

8 years old FFS!

[not on facebook]

Acts as in all terror related acts , hence to say the two involved with lee rigby should have received the death penalty .

Sorry if my post was miss read

That's what the want though! Then they get worshipped by other f**knuggets as martyrs and heroes. Put them in jail for a long time and expose them as the weak cowards they are. 

Not executing people is one of the things that makes us better than them!

Well I can't see the harm they can do if they are worshiped by THEM after they have been shot,hung or whatever it takes.

Far better having to pay for them been locked up ,so they can take the system to court at tax payers cost every time somebody smacks them up inside .

[DonnyOsmond]

The thought of going anywhere where their is a mass of people gathered together is worrying. I'm in Tenerife at the moment so flying back and going to the beach are and bit worrying now. Part of me wants to be back in Rossington.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Well I can't see the harm they can do if they are worshiped by THEM after they have been shot,hung or whatever it takes.

I can. They'll copy them.

Far better having to pay for them been locked up ,so they can take the system to court at tax payers cost every time somebody smacks them up inside .

I've never heard of a prisoner taking the system to court for that. Does it happen much?

[not on facebook]

You don't have kids do you Glynn .

One of lee rigbys killers lost some teeth while he was playing up inside prison while he was been escorted to wherever.

He claims to have been beat up by the guards and is trying to sue for compensation.

If he was dead he would not have played up and still have all his teeth

[Bentley Bullet]

Let's just hope the current batch of immigrants entering our country doesn't include terrorists wanting to blow up our kids, limb from limb. Of course, we never really know what their intentions are, so in fear of being racist ........welcome everyone.

[Glyn_Wigley]

You don't have kids do you Glynn .

Does my opinion carry more weight if I have?

[bahrain rover]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40022529

Guys as a person that lives and works in Muslim areas. I live Bahrain and work in Saudi Arabia and my home is in Mindanao Philippians (see link from yesterdays news). All volatile locations (Saudi not so bad)
You cannot back down and go in to hiding, you have to carry on normal lives. While i know that these horrific attacks in the UK thankfully are few and far between. Normal life must and has to go on. I have family currently locked down in Marawi State University after a ISIS faction took over the streets yesterday afternoon. But I know fully well today people will be out on the streets going about their day to day business. Stand tall.

[Jonathan]

It's really frightening when something like this happens so close to home. And the fact that an event popular with young children has been targeted shows that the perpetrators will stop at nothing.

I see the baggage checks are already coming in for criticism in certain sections of the media. But really, what are the baggage checks supposed to achieve? If the scum that carried out this attack was approached by security to check what was in his bag then I very much doubt he'd have held his hands up, handed over the bomb and waited for arrest. It's already too late by then. When somebody has no respect at all for their own life or anyone else's then it's almost impossible to guard against the threat it poses.

The best we can hope for is continued investment in intelligence and efforts to tackle the terror cells at their origin. Rarely do I agree with anything Piers Morgan has to say but in this instance I also agree that our police need the wider, decent, peaceful Muslim community to stand up and out any people or places they know of that enable the spread these warped and hateful messages.

Somebody somewhere sees people slipping into radicalisation and they need to be outed so action can be taken before it reaches the loss of innocent life. If it's feared certain mosques or centres are being used by groups to spread hate then people in the community need to report it and robust action needs to be taken without treading on any supposedly politically correct eggshells. Action against terrorism is not targeting any religion or faith, these attacks have utterly nothing to do with that. They're carried out by people that have been brainwashed with warped hatred that is so far removed from any religion that it doesn't belong in the same world.

It's a very scary world we live in at the moment. I feel desperately sad and sorry for the people affected by this atrocity.

[DonnyOsmond]

Let's just hope the current batch of immigrants entering our country doesn't include terrorists wanting to blow up our kids, limb from limb. Of course, we never really know what their intentions are, so in fear of being racist ........welcome everyone.

Well he was British born anyway. You can send away all the Muslims you want there's still loads here and more being born all the time.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Let's just hope the current batch of immigrants entering our country doesn't include terrorists wanting to blow up our kids, limb from limb. Of course, we never really know what their intentions are, so in fear of being racist ........welcome everyone.

Well he was British born anyway. You can send away all the Muslims you want there's still loads here and more being born all the time.

However his parents were immigrants from Libya who had fled Libya and been homed here. That shouldn't stop us doing it in future but even worse really that someone who had the opportunity he had in life because of this country has turned to such a horrible way of life.

It wrongly gives opportunities to the far right and it's a tough one to argue but I would rather as a country we helped those who really need help as much as we can.

Here's hoping it isn't a much bigger threat, it all achieves nothing.

[bigbadjack]

Did this fella actually go to the concert then did what he did on his way out or did he simply walk in at the end when the exits would of been open

[MachoMadness]

Did this fella actually go to the concert then did what he did on his way out or did he simply walk in at the end when the exits would of been open

The MEN lobby area with the box office in is a public area, like most arenas, so you can wander in and out without a ticket or anything.

[Jonathan]

Whether he had a ticket or not, there is nothing that any security guard can do to stop a person from detonating a bomb when they have no respect at all for their own life or anyone else's.
To minimise the potential damage, any such baggage check would need to take place some distance from the arena itself and in the knowledge that the discovery of any explosive device would likely spell the end of said security guard's life (along with anyone else in the vicinity).

[not on facebook]

Did this fella actually go to the concert then did what he did on his way out or did he simply walk in at the end when the exits would of been open

The MEN lobby area with the box office in is a public area, like most arenas, so you can wander in and out without a ticket or anything.

So we can al assume that this extreme Muslim w**ker had no intention of getting into the concert area ,just to be amongst the weight of all the numbers as they left as it's been pointed out the lobby is a public area.

I still can't get into my head how a 22 year old can allow his head to be turned to pulling off such a act.he had a roof over his head,he was on a collage course ,he liked man utd and he played football .

[not on facebook]

You don't have kids do you Glynn .

Does my opinion carry more weight if I have?

You opinion does count Glynn as it's yours ,just type of wondering if it might be  different
if you had kids .this is what some of my opinions are biased as I have kids and Iam shit scared to what I have brought them into .when I think that say I have at most 20 years left before iam  brown bread my kids will be 38 ,30,26 and I hate to think how day to day life will be for them .this is not to mention my gran kids as they will really suffer.

[MachoMadness]

I still can't get into my head how a 22 year old can allow his head to be turned to pulling off such a act.he had a roof over his head,he was on a collage course ,he liked man utd and he played football .

He was obviously an individual predisposed to violence and mentally unstable though I'd wager the UK and the US bombing the shit out of his ancestors' homeland not too long ago didn't help and certainly opened him up to the ISIS holy war message.

[not on facebook]

So it's ok for you for this pillock to follow a ideal that wants to set up its stall across the whole of the Western Europe and turn it into the same type of establishments that so many the middle eastern people running aaay from.

What happens in 100 or 200 years time to weastern Europe when there is no where else to hide or run too.

[MachoMadness]

Not what I said, but it's ok, I'm sure your lot will have come up with a final solution by then.

[not on facebook]

I have no idea what my lot is or anything about the final solution .

You must know that I don't waste my time trawling the internet for facts and figures by now  hence why Iam wrong a few times I guess.

I just type what I feal .

[ballysbackin]

Keep doing so. JUst read what they are saying and do not respond to it, that is what I do when I get fed up of some of the people on this VSC site. It seems you speak your mind to the extreme and get slated. I speak my own mind and can't remember what I am getting into, but then someone will come up with that I am a retired SYP and no wonder they are bad. if I am one of their numbers or have been and also that I do not know the law considering the job I did, they get only one thing right about me, I was doing "a job" they did not remove my brain nor did they programme me not to have my own beliefs.

My mam and dad taught me the right's and wrong's, but it was up to me to decide which was which I would decide to do or say at times

[not on facebook]

Don't mind anyone ripping apart whatever I post etc etc,but I will react when it's clear to me that whoever is miss reading what i type as on this holacaust malarky.

It even got ti the point that I believed what they were making out by what I said .so thought maybe I made a mistake so had to trawl back and re read what I typed > which is against my religion.

What got my goat is that I trawled back to clear what the fcukers were saying about us ,where everybody else's will take the plums point as FACT and not trawl back.

If I say it's daytime a few pricks on here will make out that I said it was night time .think it's took this thread for me to wake up and smell the coffee.

I bet there is history of these fools doing near enough the same in the past.

[ballysbackin]

They are only jealous because we are both left footers and went to a good school.

[not on facebook]

How come the yanks media  are well infront of the U.K. Media when comming out with new information .

The Americans were reporting on Fox News that it was a nail bomb and then a sucicide bomber way before any U.K. News outlet confirmed this.

It seems all along throu this case new facts are comming out on the American outlets first before the U.K. Ones.


Just seems a tad odd ,maybe in the U.K.they like to be 200% with their info before confirming it ,or maybe another reason.

[German Rover]

It's because the Americans leaked information that the brits wanted to keep a close hold of. Security of information and what not

[DonnyOsmond]

Yeah they didn't want it leaked until after they've made arrests. Not put on TV's everywhere we know who it was, which will alert others to hide or run. America were a bit dumb.