Barcelona

[Pancho Regan]

On holiday in Mallorca and have just started hearing some awful news about a possible terrorist attack in Barcelona.

Is there any news over there?


 

[Dagenham Rover]

13 dead  lots injured   been confirmed as terrorist 


http://news.sky.com/story/van-hits-crowd-in-massive-crash-in-barcelona-10992725

[Filo]

Anyone who's been to Barcelona will know that Las Ramblas is absoloutly heaving with tourists, I'm surprised the casualty figures are not higher

[not on facebook]

Seems as thou some Moroccan Luney tune fled the scene .

The Americans it seems warned the Spanish that the Ramblas  was a target .

Thing is that this place is allways packed even in the winter it's quite busy ,and only time it gets quite is when everyone is in land of nod.

I have seen some right sights on that street and Iam never in a rush to get back on it.

[Filo]

It's another example of the madness of the EU open border policy

[not on facebook]

Woke up this morning to another Muslim terrorist attack down the coast from Barcelona.

What on earth have the European governments unleashed on us with the open door policy to all.

But it's not just the governments is it .there was the antifa outcry in America after last weeks mess with white nut jobs race knackers .

Then they start to pull down statues of red neck war figures from Boston tea party days etc etc as antifa step up a gear or two.

White race members are placed on social media and hunted down for their ID and also sacked from whatever jobs for just been the white race march.

This don't sit right with me when you take into consideration that the antifa lot seem to stay tight lipped or don't do owt productive after a Muslim terrorist plot has taken place.

Ffs even a CNN was reported as blaming the recent Muslim terrorist attack in Barcelona on the fault of the white race march and actions last week in Uncle Sam.

Are movements like the antifa sleepwalking and turning a blind eye to what's just as much as a threat as the white race terror loons.

Don't give two trucks who's toes I tread on but it has to be said.


Also must mention the house that blew up an hour or so that's away from Barcelona last week sometime.

Said house was rented by two African males and it blew up because of the twenty or so gas canisters that wrrr stored in it ,that had now been linked to last two Muslim terrorist attacks in Barcelona and the coast resort.

[Glyn_Wigley]

It's another example of the madness of the EU open border policy

Why, where have the perpetrators come from?

[MachoMadness]

Always classy when people use terrorist atrocities to push completely unrelated agendas. What the f**k does this have to do with the EU, when the arrested suspects are Spanish and Moroccan? What the f**k does it have to do with Antifa?

Looks like this was part of a targeted larger bomb attack. There was an explosion in Alcanar after one of them cocked up their bomb, so they had to turn to the van. Looks like without the quick action of the emergency services this could have been even worse. Awful stuff.

[Filo]

Always classy when people use terrorist atrocities to push completely unrelated agendas. What the f**k does this have to do with the EU, when the arrested suspects are Spanish and Moroccan? What the f**k does it have to do with Antifa?

Looks like this was part of a targeted larger bomb attack. There was an explosion in Alcanar after one of them cocked up their bomb, so they had to turn to the van. Looks like without the quick action of the emergency services this could have been even worse. Awful stuff.

Two Spanish Enclaves are part of Morocco, Ceuta, and Melilla

[not on facebook]

Allways thought morroco was African .

The two Africans that blew their house up with gas canisters were wrong'erns that slipped in .

Anyway why pick out what I say as been wrong when Iam not a threat unlike the terrorists that drove the van down ramblas .

They are the threat not me ,and i brought antifa into it as them mugs stay tight lipped

[Akinfenwa]

Two Spanish Enclaves are part of Morocco, Ceuta, and Melilla

Yeah, but what has the EU got to do with people travelling from Spain to er... another part of Spain?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Always classy when people use terrorist atrocities to push completely unrelated agendas. What the f**k does this have to do with the EU, when the arrested suspects are Spanish and Moroccan? What the f**k does it have to do with Antifa?

Looks like this was part of a targeted larger bomb attack. There was an explosion in Alcanar after one of them cocked up their bomb, so they had to turn to the van. Looks like without the quick action of the emergency services this could have been even worse. Awful stuff.

Two Spanish Enclaves are part of Morocco, Ceuta, and Melilla

Ceuta and Melilla are the Spanish equivalent of the Channel Islands - who aren't part of the EU either. So, what's the relevance?

[Filo]

Always classy when people use terrorist atrocities to push completely unrelated agendas. What the f**k does this have to do with the EU, when the arrested suspects are Spanish and Moroccan? What the f**k does it have to do with Antifa?

Looks like this was part of a targeted larger bomb attack. There was an explosion in Alcanar after one of them cocked up their bomb, so they had to turn to the van. Looks like without the quick action of the emergency services this could have been even worse. Awful stuff.

Two Spanish Enclaves are part of Morocco, Ceuta, and Melilla

Ceuta and Melilla are the Spanish equivalent of the Channel Islands - who aren't part of the EU either. So, what's the relevance?

Are you sure about that?

The illegal immigration problem only became serious in the 1990s with the loosening of borders within the EU. Since Ceuta and Melilla are officially part of Spain—they even have representatives in the Spanish Parliament—their borders in Africa are effectively the borders of Europe. African immigrants who don't want to risk crossing the strait in fishing boats can try to sneak into the enclaves instead. (Spain has had a great deal of trouble deporting non-Moroccans who make it into the enclaves.


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2005/09/whats_with_those_spanish_enclaves_in_north_africa.html

[Glyn_Wigley]

Always classy when people use terrorist atrocities to push completely unrelated agendas. What the f**k does this have to do with the EU, when the arrested suspects are Spanish and Moroccan? What the f**k does it have to do with Antifa?

Looks like this was part of a targeted larger bomb attack. There was an explosion in Alcanar after one of them cocked up their bomb, so they had to turn to the van. Looks like without the quick action of the emergency services this could have been even worse. Awful stuff.

Two Spanish Enclaves are part of Morocco, Ceuta, and Melilla

Ceuta and Melilla are the Spanish equivalent of the Channel Islands - who aren't part of the EU either. So, what's the relevance?

Are you sure about that?

The illegal immigration problem only became serious in the 1990s with the loosening of borders within the EU. Since Ceuta and Melilla are officially part of Spain—they even have representatives in the Spanish Parliament—their borders in Africa are effectively the borders of Europe. African immigrants who don't want to risk crossing the strait in fishing boats can try to sneak into the enclaves instead. (Spain has had a great deal of trouble deporting non-Moroccans who make it into the enclaves.


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2005/09/whats_with_those_spanish_enclaves_in_north_africa.html

So you're on about illegal immigration! Absolutely nothing to do with any EU so-called 'open border' policy.

[Filo]

Always classy when people use terrorist atrocities to push completely unrelated agendas. What the f**k does this have to do with the EU, when the arrested suspects are Spanish and Moroccan? What the f**k does it have to do with Antifa?

Looks like this was part of a targeted larger bomb attack. There was an explosion in Alcanar after one of them cocked up their bomb, so they had to turn to the van. Looks like without the quick action of the emergency services this could have been even worse. Awful stuff.

Two Spanish Enclaves are part of Morocco, Ceuta, and Melilla

Ceuta and Melilla are the Spanish equivalent of the Channel Islands - who aren't part of the EU either. So, what's the relevance?

Are you sure about that?

The illegal immigration problem only became serious in the 1990s with the loosening of borders within the EU. Since Ceuta and Melilla are officially part of Spain—they even have representatives in the Spanish Parliament—their borders in Africa are effectively the borders of Europe. African immigrants who don't want to risk crossing the strait in fishing boats can try to sneak into the enclaves instead. (Spain has had a great deal of trouble deporting non-Moroccans who make it into the enclaves.


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2005/09/whats_with_those_spanish_enclaves_in_north_africa.html

So you're on about illegal immigration! Absolutely nothing to do with any EU so-called 'open border' policy.

Once into the two enclaves they are in the EU, despite your know all assertion that they are not, from there they are free to travel the entire EU without border controls, Barcelona could have happened anywhere within the EU once they are in, unchecked

[Glyn_Wigley]

Always classy when people use terrorist atrocities to push completely unrelated agendas. What the f**k does this have to do with the EU, when the arrested suspects are Spanish and Moroccan? What the f**k does it have to do with Antifa?

Looks like this was part of a targeted larger bomb attack. There was an explosion in Alcanar after one of them cocked up their bomb, so they had to turn to the van. Looks like without the quick action of the emergency services this could have been even worse. Awful stuff.

Two Spanish Enclaves are part of Morocco, Ceuta, and Melilla

Ceuta and Melilla are the Spanish equivalent of the Channel Islands - who aren't part of the EU either. So, what's the relevance?

Are you sure about that?

The illegal immigration problem only became serious in the 1990s with the loosening of borders within the EU. Since Ceuta and Melilla are officially part of Spain—they even have representatives in the Spanish Parliament—their borders in Africa are effectively the borders of Europe. African immigrants who don't want to risk crossing the strait in fishing boats can try to sneak into the enclaves instead. (Spain has had a great deal of trouble deporting non-Moroccans who make it into the enclaves.


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2005/09/whats_with_those_spanish_enclaves_in_north_africa.html

So you're on about illegal immigration! Absolutely nothing to do with any EU so-called 'open border' policy.

Once into the two enclaves they are in the EU, despite your know all assertion that they are not, from there they are free to travel the entire EU without border controls, Barcelona could have happened anywhere within the EU once they are in, unchecked

So the identity checks that Spanish authorities carry out on all sea and air passengers from Ceuta and Melilla to anywhere else in the Schengen area are representative of EU open border policy, are they?

[Filo]

Ok Cueta and Melilla are in the EU then?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Ok Cueta and Melilla are in the EU then?

They are treated as 'special territories' and whilst they enjoy some benefits of EU membership they are not treated as full members. Hence the border put of them not being an open one.

Now then, what were you saying about the EU 'open borders' again?

PS You've still not answered my original question about where the perpetrators of Barcelona have actually come from...

[not on facebook]

Take away the EU boarder checks via whatever agreement as it all goes to shit when boat loads of immigrants land on whatever European shoreline and march onto Berlin of set up camp in France as a stop off to U.K.

It's quite that many are economic migrants and they are not going by queensbury rules like rest of us are they.i mean a chap from Norway could not just arrive in U.K. and apply for benafits or housing .

Well they might get benafits that they are can claim in Norway paid to them,but the U.K. Will claim that payments back for 3 months only .but they will not get a housed .

[not on facebook]

Ok Cueta and Melilla are in the EU then?

They are treated as 'special territories' and whilst they enjoy some benefits of EU membership they are not treated as full members. Hence the border put of them not being an open one.

Now then, what were you saying about the EU 'open borders' again?

PS You've still not answered my original question about where the perpetrators of Barcelona have actually come from...

The two chaps that had a  rented house full of gas canisters were from Africa it was reported .
Said gas canisters were planned to be in back of a truck unless Iam mistaken.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Ok Cueta and Melilla are in the EU then?

They are treated as 'special territories' and whilst they enjoy some benefits of EU membership they are not treated as full members. Hence the border put of them not being an open one.

Now then, what were you saying about the EU 'open borders' again?

PS You've still not answered my original question about where the perpetrators of Barcelona have actually come from...

The two chaps that had a  rented house full of gas canisters were from Africa it was reported .
Said gas canisters were planned to be in back of a truck unless Iam mistaken.

They may - or may not - have come from Africa but unless it's known that they've come through either Ceuta or Melilla, or have crossed more than one border anywhere, I don't know why anyone is waffling on blaming freedom of movement in this thread when it's not an issue at all.

[not on facebook]

Latest attack in Finland where a  18 year old asylum seeker from morroco has stabbed two and injuryed 8 more the other day .

How you get from morroco to Finland to claim asylum from morroco is unbelievable Geoff ,as for one Iam not aware or the rest of Europe that there is a war in morroco to claim asylum from.

On a point of view a immigrant who claims to be  from say Afghanistan applys for asluym in Berlin Germany. we will  call him a he as he gets his claim .

He will soon then get a German passport and he will be free to roam and settle in whatever EU country.

Should this chap then turn out to be a wrong!ern andvsaybdrive a van into a crowd killing a few ,is he now classed as a home grown German terrorist.

This might happen with 1 in ever 1000 immigrants claiming asylum ,but the problem is that you have no idea who you are letting into Europe in many cases.

[Filo]

Spanish Police are now saying the suspects on the run may have crossed the French border.

But to some this is not an issue

[not on facebook]

Spanish Police are now saying the suspects on the run may have crossed the French border.

But to some this is not an issue

Above is the sole reason why each and every country should be able to protect its own boarders ,instead of the once you get inside the Shannon aggreement any terrorist on the run from an act can hop skip and move throu parts of Europe.

But like you said filo there are some fools out there.

[Dagenham Rover]

wait and shoot wait and shoot   

[Yargo]

The Shengen  is dead, it seems for some countries,if not all now there is a limit to how many Europe can accommodate from Africa and the Middle East. Even old man Steptoe, he of the no limits to mass migration a few weeks before the election was called had to pretend to be in favour of limits to migration immediately the election campaign started, someone on here (R.I.P ) would have once called behaviour like that "mendacious".

[not on facebook]

It seems the Spanish police have shot dead the terrorist that they have been hunting.

He was found in a small Spanish town so did not make it into France as reported ,unless he went across and came back in.

Quite like that Spanish police shot him dead as it sees he had a sucide vest on.but they should shoot them dead even if he came out with a white flag Iam sorry to say