Trump

[Not Now Kato]

What I find incredible is that most sensible people could surely see during the election campaign that this guy wasn't fit for this office.
Granted, it would have been difficult to imagine just how outrageous and downright dangerous he would turn out to be, but the seeds were there for all to see.

How the hell did he fool so many voters into electing him?

I've always been slightly troubled by the Presidential election process in the US; there was always the potential for some unsuitable individual to make it into the White House.
But Trump is on another level entirely.

The most powerful politician in the world.....it is nothing less than terrifying.

Ever been to middle America?  They're more inbred than folks from Barnsley!
 
America, the only country to go from a period of barbarism to a period of decadence without an intervening period of culture!
 
https://www.thedailybeast.com/shame-them-everyone-who-endorsed-arming-preschoolers-on-sacha-baron-cohens-who-is-america?ref=scroll
 
Yep, let's arm 4 year olds!  Only in America!

[BillyStubbsTears]

This is beyond belief.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/donald-trump-s-turnberry-firm-paid-50-000-by-us-government-for-weekend-visit-1-4770069/amp?__twitter_impression=true

Corruption, not even hidden. How do we roll back from this now that it’s normalised?

[RedJ]

https://news.sky.com/story/trump-to-invite-putin-to-white-house-in-autumn-11442704

Jesus wept.

[Glyn_Wigley]

https://news.sky.com/story/trump-to-invite-putin-to-white-house-in-autumn-11442704

Jesus wept.

How else is Vlad going to measure up for curtains?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Quote from a currently serving US Ambassador today, after seeing Trump’s arselicking of Putin. M
“Either Putin has something serious on Trump, or Trump’s just a craven coward.”

Or both, of course.

[darren61]

When Putin visits his buddy in the autumn i wonder if they could be convinced a open car drive through Dallas would be nice?

[MachoMadness]

Trump lashing out at the Federal Reserve now for raising interest rates. Which they're only doing because of Trump's tax cut. MAGA!

[BillyStubbsTears]

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1020642287725043712

Fee fie fo fum
I smell the whiff of a twitchy bum.

The Leader of the Free World saying it’s inconceivable that the police should raid the premises of someone suspected of being complicit in illegal activity.

The Leader of the Free World saying it’s even more inconceivable (although I’m struggle to imagine what could be more inconceivable than inconceivable, but there you go) that someone who is about to be instructed by his boss to commit a major crime should take out the insurance policy of recording the meeting.

Net closing on Donald. It’ll be the ultimate irony if he is brought down, not because of treason (which he is undoubtedly guilty of) but because he couldn’t keep his cock in his pants, then broke the law in paying women hush money during the election campaign.

EDIT.
And more to the point, if he can effectively be hustled by porn models, imagine what a trained KGB officer could do to him.

In fact, don’t imagine it. You don’t need to. Just watch Trump’s bizarre behaviour earlier this week, while he was meeting with Putin.

I always used to think that democracy was strong and that chancers and frauds and criminals would be exposed and seen through before they got close to power. But we’ve got criminals and chancers and frauds calling the shots on both sides of the pond. Just shows you how fragile democracy really is when people start closing their ears and eyes to inconvenient facts.

Worrying times.

[hoolahoop]

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1020642287725043712

Fee fie fo fum
I smell the whiff of a twitchy bum.

The Leader of the Free World saying it’s inconceivable that the police should raid the premises of someone suspected of being complicit in illegal activity.

The Leader of the Free World saying it’s even more inconceivable (although I’m struggle to imagine what could be more inconceivable than inconceivable, but there you go) that someone who is about to be instructed by his boss to commit a major crime should take out the insurance policy of recording the meeting.

Net closing on Donald. It’ll be the ultimate irony if he is brought down, not because of treason (which he is undoubtedly guilty of) but because he couldn’t keep his cock in his pants, then broke the law in paying women hush money during the election campaign.

EDIT.
And more to the point, if he can effectively be hustled by porn models, imagine what a trained KGB officer could do to him.

In fact, don’t imagine it. You don’t need to. Just watch Trump’s bizarre behaviour earlier this week, while he was meeting with Putin.

I always used to think that democracy was strong and that chancers and frauds and criminals would be exposed and seen through before they got close to power. But we’ve got criminals and chancers and frauds calling the shots on both sides of the pond. Just shows you how fragile democracy really is when people start closing their ears and eyes to inconvenient facts.

Worrying times.

Time is short for the nation's favourite POTUS , infamy , infamy .....they've got it..... in fa'me.

They are closing in ,  now I bet he is beginning to have those sleepless nights . The ones that make you mix up your words such that they become double negatives as soon as they slip through his teeth .
Is it WOULD or WOULDN'T  , who can tell anymore in Donald's dystopian world ?

[BillyStubbsTears]

I’ve heard some cringingly embarrassing shite pass politcians’ mouths in my time, but that “would” “wouldn’t” stuff from Trump this week takes the biscuit. What an embarrassment to the office of Kennedy and Roosevelt and Lincoln and Washington.

Agree with them or not, they were men who steered the USA through the most dangerous of times and they did so with clarity of vision and bravery of decision.

This excuse for a man stands in front of his handler this week and cravenly says he doesn’t believe that Russia would launch cyber warfare against the USA. Then when he’s safely 5000 miles away from him, he reverses his assessment.

More backbone in a jellyfish. More strength of personality in a bacterium. More bravery in Harry Forrester. The damage he is doing to America is incalculable.

[hoolahoop]

I’ve heard some cringingly embarrassing shite pass politcians’ mouths in my time, but that “would” “wouldn’t” stuff from Trump this week takes the biscuit. What an embarrassment to the office of Kennedy and Roosevelt and Lincoln and Washington.

Agree with them or not, they were men who steered the USA through the most dangerous of times and they did so with clarity of vision and bravery of decision.

This excuse for a man stands in front of his handler this week and cravenly says he doesn’t believe that Russia would launch cyber warfare against the USA. Then when he’s safely 5000 miles away from him, he reverses his assessment.

More backbone in a jellyfish. More strength of personality in a bacterium. More bravery in Harry Forrester. The damage he is doing to America is incalculable.

I agreed with everything even the " Harry Forrester " remark - they might just as well do a raffle for the next Presidency .
He should be a national embarrassment after that attempt at diplomacy but in Trump's dystopian world there are many that would still argue that it was still a triumph.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Ouch!

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/27/robert-mueller-trump-jr-picture-dca-airport-745144

The criminal son of a criminal President and the man who is going to send the pair of them to prison. On the same flight. That must have been a tad uncomfortable.

[hoolahoop]

It's going to be an interesting couple of months on both sides of the Atlantic.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Seth Abramson is on course for becoming a true all-time American hero.

Here he is coldly, calmly, clinically and technically setting out why the prosecutors will have Trump’s orange b*llocks on a plate for conspiring with Russia to commit what was effectively treason.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1023224427956396034

This is how democracy works. People like Abramson are the ones who stop the self-serving criminals from f**king us all over.

[hoolahoop]

Seth Abramson is on course for becoming a true all-time American hero.

Here he is coldly, calmly, clinically and technically setting out why the prosecutors will have Trump’s orange b*llocks on a plate for conspiring with Russia to commit what was effectively treason.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1023224427956396034

This is how democracy works. People like Abramson are the ones who stop the self-serving criminals from f**king us all over.

Thanks for that BST following Abramson's logic was thought provoking and its hard to see any point in that sequence that could be argued withbat any stage. Must admit I had to stop and work it out on occasions.

[BillyStubbsTears]

The condensed story is:

1) June 2016, in the middle of the Presidential campaign Trump Jr was contacted by a go-between who wanted to set up a meeting with Russian operatives who could offer Clinton’s (illegally) hacked e-mails.
2) Jr jumped at the chance and had a meeting with the Russians. In Trump Tower NY...
3) Jr later claimed nothing was offered.
4) Trump Snr claimed he knew nothing about this.
5) Abramson is pointing out how implausible this is: Snr is a control freak who was in an office 20 yards from this meeting and who has a track record of listening in to meetings in his own offices.
6) Immediately after the meeting, Jr made it received three phone calls from a number that he claims was blocked
7) When asked under oath if his father’s number shows up as “blocked” on his phone, Jr replied “I don’t know”. That’s HIS OWN FATHER’s number...
8) A couple of weeks later, Wikileaks released these hacked e-mails. There was nothing in them but the whole furore dominated the rest of the campaign.
9) A few days after that, Trump went on TV saying “Russia - if you are listening, can you release the rest of the Clinton e-mails?”
10) Cohen, Trump’s solicitor, is now on recird saying Snr knew all about the meeting.
11) Snr says Cohen is lying. Abramson is setting out in some detail why Cohen has no incentive to lie to the FBI about this. Because he’s facing a very long prison sentence already, and can only extricate himself by being truthful. If he lies to them about this, he’s going down for even longer.


It’s there in black and white. Very strong evidence of a conspiracy with a hostile foreign power to tip the 2016 election. That is why Trump is maniacally lashing out on Twitter every week about the inquiry. Because he knows that if he doesn’t kill the inquiry, he’s facing the rest of his days in prison.

[RedJ]

Does treason carry the death penalty in the USA?

[hoolahoop]

I'm not sure that could happen even if it was to a POTUS -  Civil War 2 would break out. Lol

Hmm seems it is

[RedJ]

Realistically, it probably wouldn't happen to a POTUS you're right. And I don't support the death penalty, was just interested if it could actually happen to a man who probably does...

[BillyStubbsTears]

That is the concern. There's 35-40% of people in the States who seem prepared to accept anything Trump does because...well, he's not a Democrat. So it doesn't matter what evidence is put before them. They won't accept anything coming from people who disagree with them. Sound familiar?

Trump himself has said that he could go out onto Fifth Avenue and shoot someone and he still wouldn't lose their support. I'm not convinced he won't do something even worse when the net really closes in. There's a story that in the run up to his resignation, Nixon was so unhinged by the stress of being caught that the Defense Secretary contacted the heads of the nuclear missile and bomber command and told them that if they were contacted by Nixon, they were to immediately speak to the Defense Secretary before they took any instructions.

There's a similar rumour doing the rounds that the current Defense Secretary, National Security Secretary and Secretary of State have an agreement that at least one of them will always be in Washington and within panic-distance of the White House.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Right. This is how serious it is for Trump now. He's sent out his attack dog and current solicitor, Rudi Giuliani to waffle and bullshit on his behalf.
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/30/politics/rudy-giuliani-collusion-crime-cnntv/index.html

In a nutshell, Giuliani's "defence" seems to be:
1) Collusion with Russia isn't a crime (Plot spoiler - it is! An extremely serious one).
2) Trump wasn't "physically" in the meeting (see Abramson's comments on Trump having a habit of listening in via phone).

If that's the best they can do for a defence, The net closing. Possibly very rapidly.

The condensed story is:

1) June 2016, in the middle of the Presidential campaign Trump Jr was contacted by a go-between who wanted to set up a meeting with Russian operatives who could offer Clinton’s (illegally) hacked e-mails.
2) Jr jumped at the chance and had a meeting with the Russians. In Trump Tower NY...
3) Jr later claimed nothing was offered.
4) Trump Snr claimed he knew nothing about this.
5) Abramson is pointing out how implausible this is: Snr is a control freak who was in an office 20 yards from this meeting and who has a track record of listening in to meetings in his own offices.
6) Immediately after the meeting, Jr made it received three phone calls from a number that he claims was blocked
7) When asked under oath if his father’s number shows up as “blocked” on his phone, Jr replied “I don’t know”. That’s HIS OWN FATHER’s number...
8) A couple of weeks later, Wikileaks released these hacked e-mails. There was nothing in them but the whole furore dominated the rest of the campaign.
9) A few days after that, Trump went on TV saying “Russia - if you are listening, can you release the rest of the Clinton e-mails?”
10) Cohen, Trump’s solicitor, is now on recird saying Snr knew all about the meeting.
11) Snr says Cohen is lying. Abramson is setting out in some detail why Cohen has no incentive to lie to the FBI about this. Because he’s facing a very long prison sentence already, and can only extricate himself by being truthful. If he lies to them about this, he’s going down for even longer.


It’s there in black and white. Very strong evidence of a conspiracy with a hostile foreign power to tip the 2016 election. That is why Trump is maniacally lashing out on Twitter every week about the inquiry. Because he knows that if he doesn’t kill the inquiry, he’s facing the rest of his days in prison.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Sweet God up above.

This is Trump’s lawyer. Defending him. On THE most Trump-friendly news station. Making an absolute f**king car crash of defending him.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-news-hosts-press-giuliani-on-revelation-of-second-trump-meeting-no-one-asked-if-he-was-there/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

As Seth Abramson says, watch the eyes of the interviewer at 05:20. It’s the eyes of someone thing, “IMG! It’s all true! They ARE criminals!”

And then go to 06:50. Watch how Fox operates. Imagine the f**king panic behind the scenes as someone is screaming “Rescue him! f**king rescue him before he collapses and admits the President is a crook!” And they cut in and bring someone in who puts words into Giuliani’s mouth to help him “for the record” say that Trump did nothing wrong.

Have you ever in all your life seen anything like it?

Not only is Trump a crook, he’s a crook who is so f**king useless, he can’t even get competent people around him to spin his lies.

And not only is Fox a right wing propaganda outlet. It’s a right wing propaganda outlet that, when it’s own journalists uncover evidence of treason, covers it up by picking up the f**king useless lawyer and helping him out.

If the future of the world wasn’t at stake, this would be more fun to watch than House of Cards.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Actually, this is beyond belief.

Giuliani has been stumbling around all day incompetently blowing Trump’s cover on the whole Russia meeting issue.

At 06:50 in that video, Fox cut in to put a friendly interviewer on. His first question is: “Can we be clear for the record, regardless of whether Collusion is a crime, you are saying there was no collusion?”

At 07:22, Giuliani says “Correct”

At 07:25, Fox News stick a big capital letters banner across the bottom of the page screaming “GIULIANI:THERE WAS NO COLLUSION”

It’s so blatant it is breathtaking. That Kitson Murdoch and his cancer of a news agency conspiring to protect a treasonous President on his knees.

[Dutch Uncle]

Just seen as a reply on one of Seth Abramson's tweets under the name of 'Make Anagrams Great Again':


Sir, I think my art riddles can describe demagogue Don's bidding: Tyranny.

Democracy isn't dying in darkness, it's being murdered in broad daylight.



Absolutely brilliant

[BillyStubbsTears]

Well, this is a nice place we’re in, int it?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-45241838

You lot out there who support Trump. You DO know where this sort of shit leads to, don’t you?

[Filo]

So what is the truth then? 😳😳😳😳

[Bentley Bullet]

I think he was referring to some versions of the truth not being the truth.

[MachoMadness]

"He tells it like it is!"
"Truth isn't truth."

Hmmm.

They're basically accusing Mueller of entrapment to try and stoke up the Deep State conspiracy nuts that now control the GOP.

[BillyStubbsTears]

MM

That’s the tactical approach to the particular threat at the moment.

The strategic aim is the terrifying one. It is basically to throw out of the window the idea of objective truth.

If we allow that, whether through ignorance, idleness or making smart arse wisecracks about it while it happens, then democracy is f**ked.

Consider.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.
Truth is not truth.

It fits doesn’t it?

And now I think about it, “ignorance is strength” pretty much sums up what that Kitson Gove was saying about how people shouldn’t listen to economics experts before the Brexit vote, but instead trust their own gut instincts.

[RedJ]

How the f**k do you get "trapped into perjury"?

"Oh f**k I've lied but only cos I got tricked into lying"?