VAR in the World Cup

[scawsby steve]

It would have been 2v2 at half time against Germany when Lampard scored. Please bring in VAR for crap decisions

I agree Padge, and don't forget the Maradonna handball. Slaven Bilic talked about VAR before the Russia game, and stated that nobody likes it, but it is essential for fairness.

[GazLaz]

What is people’s opinion on the referees use of VAR in yesterday’s match?

[Bristol Red Rover]

VAR is great in some cases. It's being far too overused. Wish the refs would book players making appeals.

Having said that, I wish VAR would be used for players diving, feigning fouls, and book them!

[Bristol Red Rover]

Good use of VAR in the Sweden/S Korea game today (great pen too).

What was interesting was how the ref blew to stop play whilst the Koreans were in on goal. The rule is that if play is ongoing it should only stop if the ball goes out of play, the keeper is in possession of it, or if play is bobbling about in the middle of the field.

If a team scores, as could have happened, then that goal stands if the VAR decision is not to return to the VAR incident.

[GazLaz]

Good use of VAR in the Sweden/S Korea game today (great pen too).

What was interesting was how the ref blew to stop play whilst the Koreans were in on goal. The rule is that if play is ongoing it should only stop if the ball goes out of play, the keeper is in possession of it, or if play is bobbling about in the middle of the field.

If a team scores, as could have happened, then that goal stands if the VAR decision is not to return to the VAR incident.

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I think he was probably told it was a definite penalty. Him looking on the monitor was just protocol.

[Bristol Red Rover]

If he was told it was a definite penalty and he agreed with that, he'd not be looking at the monitor. Either way, the rule is that the play has to be in a neutral position.

https://www.knvb.nl/downloads/bestand/9844/var-handbook-v8_final

The guidelines for neutral zone/ are similar to those when there is an
injured player on the ground in the penalty area i.e. play can be stopped when
neither team has a clear attacking opportunity.

[jamesrover17]

If he was told it was a definite penalty and he agreed with that, he'd not be looking at the monitor. Either way, the rule is that the play has to be in a neutral position.

https://www.knvb.nl/downloads/bestand/9844/var-handbook-v8_final

The guidelines for neutral zone/ are similar to those when there is an
injured player on the ground in the penalty area i.e. play can be stopped when
neither team has a clear attacking opportunity.

Interesting curve ball, if South Korea went up the other end and had a Penalty claim reviewed by VAR and it was deemed to be a penalty, would the Sweden penalty also be reviewed and would they get to take a penalty first? It could get very convoluted if too many things are factored in

[Bristol Red Rover]

Yep, the original VAR incident comes first. Then if rejected, the second incident is assessed. Simple

[Bristol Red Rover]

Great VAR decision just now for Oz against Denmark. Very slight handball, unintentional and would never have been given in real time.

Fairly brief disruption in play, ref waited for a neutral spell in play before going to the vid to look.

[The Red Baron]

Great VAR decision just now for Oz against Denmark. Very slight handball, unintentional and would never have been given in real time.

Fairly brief disruption in play, ref waited for a neutral spell in play before going to the vid to look.

If it was unintentional, surely it shouldn't have been given?

[bobbymax]

Never an Oz penalty in a month of Sundays! I played centre-half for enough years to know you can't jump effectively with your arms down by your side.

[Bristol Red Rover]

Yep, there are some greyish areas in that. Unintentional isn't essential, esp when it's heading towards the goal. As for the arm being in an "unnatural position", I think it was, just, a little high and "wavey".

Shouldn't have been a booking though.

Good to see VAR hasn't stopped arguing about decisions 

[drfchound]

........and then you can consider the ones that England didn’t get.
Just as much controversy as without VAR.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

I think the handball directive has been redefined and the players have been told if you arms are out, even naturally, it will be a penalty.

[Bristol Red Rover]

On looking at the FIFA (1/6/18) rules https://resources.fifa.com/image/upload/laws-of-the-game-2018-19.pdf?cloudid=khhloe2xoigyna8juxw3:

Handling the ball
Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with the hand or arm.
The following must be considered:
• the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)
• the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
• the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an offence

It seems I was wrong and it's clear that it shouldn't have been a pen as it wasn't deliberate or hand to ball and the distance was too close, AND interestingly that the position of the hand doesn't necessarily mean there is an offence. Booking him is a little strange as if it was purely unintentional then it shouldn't have even been a pen, and if it was intentional then he should have been sent off.

Maybe there is something in this rules doc that's missing?

[GazLaz]

It was a penalty. The shot was going in.

[Retdon1]

No penalty for me

[Bristol Red Rover]

It was a penalty. The shot was going in.

Yep, I thought that it was going in was significant, but nothing in the rules re that as far as I can see.

[RoversAlias]

It was a penalty. The shot was going in.

Totally agree. The interpretation is usually held that such an incident is a penalty.

[ravenrover]

Dare a ref over rule VAR in a potential penalty incident and stick to his guns by not awarding it in the 1st place if he didn’t think it was intentional?