This Here Attendance b*llocks

[Lord Farquaad]

I may stand to be shot down by the stattos.

But I reckon we must have the largest percentage rise in attendances over a 10 year period in the history of football.

Ever.

[phil o sophical]

I would think you are spot on there your Lordship. I dont think we should under-estimate the damage that Richardson did to the clubs support when he tried to condemn us to the history books. In a way i would be a bit miffed if we sold out on Saturday and Tuesday just because two of the \"bigger\" clubs are our visitors, i would prefer that the people of Doncaster came to watch their club, not the opposition, but Rome wasn't built in a day

[BobG]

Dont know any facts at all - but Wimbledon? A real nothing none league club. How far did they get in 10 years? If their crowds started off at say 500, it wouldn't take much of a rise to be a stonking great % increase. Or how about Villa? 3rd division to 1st division? Or Man City? Or Wolves and Middlesborough? Even Blades? They all had shit teams that ended up in the 3rd (or worse) and then took off for the top flight.

I don't know the answers, but they're surely all in with a shout?

Cheers

BobG

[wilts rover]

I think you are wrong there Bob in that I seem to remember Wimbledon had a pretty decent record for a while before they got into the League, maybe 2-3k, and agin they only averaged around 10-12k when they were in the top tier, so thats only a rise of 5-6%. Rovers were in the hundreds in Richardson's time, there were quite a few matches where the away support outnumbered home fans, it has to be a rise of 10-12% easy. The other clubs you mentioned average what, 25-30k now, no way were their crowds down to 2-3k during their lean years.
I would say if any club matches our record it would be Wigan, they always had poor attendences, I reckon they must have gone up 10%?

[wilts rover]

Hull City - they were down to 1-2k under David Lloyd, seem to remember some cup game we won at theirs when we had more fans than they did

[Superspy]

wilts rover wrote:

I think you are wrong there Bob in that I seem to remember Wimbledon had a pretty decent record for a while before they got into the League, maybe 2-3k, and agin they only averaged around 10-12k when they were in the top tier, so thats only a rise of 5-6%. Rovers were in the hundreds in Richardson's time, there were quite a few matches where the away support outnumbered home fans, it has to be a rise of 10-12% easy. The other clubs you mentioned average what, 25-30k now, no way were their crowds down to 2-3k during their lean years.
I would say if any club matches our record it would be Wigan, they always had poor attendences, I reckon they must have gone up 10%?

am i missing something with your maths here?

if wimbledon started with 3k, and went up to 12k, thats an increase of 300%, not 5-6...

[wilts rover]

err, you probably are yes, I'm a historian they only maths I am interested on is on my pay slip.... I was seeing Wimbledon's increase as 4x and Rovers as 10x and making that 4% and 10% - which as you point out is obviously the wrong figure. So if I give you what I think the figures are, can errr, somebody else do the maths!!
Rovers , less than 1k to 10k (10x)
Wimbledon 2.5k to 12k (4.5x)
Hull City 1.5k to 20k (12x)
Wigan 1.5k to 15k (10x)

those are off the top of my head guestimates rather than scientific by the way

[Superspy]

fair enough.

rovers = 900% increase
wimbledon = (2.5 to 12 is actually 4.8x)= 380%
hull = 1100%
wigan = 900%

just had a nosey on the hull website and 9 years ago (2001/2002 season) they were getting 9.5k home gates, so i duno where u got 1.5k from. lol

[Akinfenwa]

Wigan's highest increase over ten years is 2986 average in 1996 to 20233 in 2006.

Our highest increase over ten years is 3380 average in 1999 to 11964 in 2009. Our lowest average ever was 1715 in 1998 but 10 years later in 2008 we got a 7978 average.

[BobG]

So 354% increase in 10 years for the Rovers and 678% for Wigan.

CHeers Akinfenwa

BobG

[DonnyBazR0ver]

MK (Franchise) Dons have inceased their fanbase in a relatively short period, moving from the National Hockey Stadium to MK arena.

Although it should never been allowed to happen, Winklemans gamble of taking the club to MK has paid off.

From our perspective, despite the ODD large crowd at Old BV though the fifties, sixties and seventies, last season was our highest average gate since 1958 I think.

We must have been  at our lowest in the Richardson era and when Old BV pop side was knocked down after the taylor report, and the capacity was something like 5 - 6k.

Was only after JR stepped in and built BV back in to a reasonable football ground again could we accommodate up to 12000 ish.

On one hand for a town our size and given our success, you would think we could easily sell out the KM, but in reality ther has been a steady increase in ST holders up until last season, when we saw the first drop off in numbers.

The good news is that those that have dropped off are unlikely to be supporting Weeds, Blades or Owls, and hopefully should be back with us sooner or later.

[Akinfenwa]

I've made this table containing most of the clubs with the largest attendance increases:

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Club         Period        Start     End       Incr.     %Incr.

Wigan        1996-2006      2986     20233     17247     578%
Wolves       1986-1996      4020     24785     20765     517%
Wycombe      1986-1996       775      4580      3805     491%
Tranmere     1985-1995      1595      8908      7313     458%
Barnet       1983-1993       656      3431      2775     423%
Hull         1996-2006      3803     19841     16038     422%
Fulham       1996-2006      4183     20606     16423     393%
Swindon      1984-1994      3154     15011     11857     376%
Swansea      1996-2006      2975     14112     11137     374%
Blackburn    1986-1996      5826     27552     21726     373%
M'boro       1986-1996      6257     29257     23000     368%
Doncaster    1998-2008      1715      7978      6263     365%
Cheltenham   1992-2002       885      4073      3188     360%
Cardiff      1997-2007      3563     15223     11660     327%
Morecambe    1994-2004       422      1783      1361     323%
Bolton       1992-2002      6030     25097     19067     316%
Yeovil       1995-2005      1746      6320      4574     262%
QPR          1965-1975      5670     20394     14724     260%
Charlton     1992-2002      6780     24165     17385     256%
Boston       1995-2005       871      2932      2061     237%
Reading      1993-2003      4781     16011     11230     235%
Birmingham   1989-1999      6286     20794     14508     231%
Newcastle    1991-2001     16879     51309     34430     204%
Wimbledon    1984-1994      3459     10475      7016     203%
Burnley      1987-1997      3342     10041      6699     200%


[Ger CCFC]

Akinfenwa wrote:

I've made this table containing most of the clubs with the largest attendance increases:

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Club         Period        Start    End       Incr.     %Incr.

Wigan        1996-2006     2986     20233     17247     678%
Wolves       1986-1996     4020     24785     20765     617%
Tranmere     1985-1995     1595      8908      7313     558%
Hull         1996-2006     3803     19841     16038     522%
Fulham       1996-2006     4183     20606     16423     493%
Swansea      1996-2006     2975     14112     11137     474%
Blackburn    1986-1996     5826     27552     21726     473%
M'boro       1986-1996     6257     29257     23000     468%
Cardiff      1997-2007     3563     15223     11660     427%
Morecambe    1994-2004      422      1783      1361     423%
Bolton       1992-2002     6030     25097     19067     416%
Charlton     1992-2002     6780     24165     17385     356%
Doncaster    1999-2009     3380     11964      8584     354%
Birmingham   1989-1999     6286     20794     14508     331%
Newcastle    1991-2001    16879     51309     34430     304%
Wimbledon    1984-1994     3459     10475      7016     303%
Burnley      1987-1997     3342     10041      6699     300%


Cardiff's has gone up alot more in the last 3 years. I remember watching city with 1500 fans there, then it kept increasing and now we're averaging about 21k week in week out

[Akinfenwa]

1997-2007 is still the 10 year period with the highest increase though. Ten years ago Cardiff's average was almost 7000.

[BobG]

Ha! Brilliant Akinfenwa. That's worth reading. I almost suggested Newcastle - but chickened out in the end. I thought Wolves would be up near the top as they ended up in the 4th Div for a season, Tranmere  and Charlton. Good table that. Did you work it out by hand? Or have you written some sort of clever little programme to do the number crunching?

Cheers

BobG

[Akinfenwa]

I got the attendances off the internet and put it in Excel to work out the percentages automatically. The information is from here if you want to have a look.

[Snodthegod]

There's a bit of a flaw in your spreadsheet: the % increase should be the 'difference' divided by the initial attendance.  Apply that, and the % increase between 1998 and 2008 for Rovers was higher than the the later one you show.

[Wellington Vaults]

Train numbers don't create these sort of problems!!!!

[scuzzer]

Tis a cracking piece of work and makes very interesting reading.

It's also nice to see the facts to dispel the myth of the great ever present Geordie nation being there through thick and thin - although i'd be more than happy with their smallest average attendance at a Rovers game.

[Akinfenwa]

Snodthegod wrote:

There's a bit of a flaw in your spreadsheet: the % increase should be the 'difference' divided by the initial attendance.  Apply that, and the % increase between 1998 and 2008 for Rovers was higher than the the later one you show.

Thanks, changed it. We've moved up a bit.

[wilts rover]

Great piece of work there Akinfenwa, pleased so my hunch about Wigan was actually right!

[Dutch Uncle]

Just like to add my appreciation as well Akinfenwa - many thanks