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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: normal rules on April 13, 2024, 05:25:57 pm
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All eyes on this one tues night.
A draw wouldnt be a bad result I’m thinking ?
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I feel like we should be wanting a Barrow win. We don't need to catch one of them, and Crawley getting no points makes them easier to catch.
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I feel like we should be wanting a Barrow win. We don't need to catch one of them, and Crawley getting no points makes them easier to catch.
Exactly. Crawley lose Tuesday night and we wouldn’t even necessarily need to win all our remaining games to end up 7th.
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I would say a draw is the best result, if no draw a Barrow win, I said weeks back that last playoff place is between Rovers and Crawley
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We play barrow so playoffs are in our hands regardless (technically). Would just mean we'd have to smash barrow to swing the Gd and keep the Gd high. Crawley not winning is better as it's not then on Gd but screw it we can beat barrow
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If we beat Barrow they can still finish above us on 76 points.
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If Crawley DON'T beat Barrow on Tuesday, the play-offs are in our own hands.
If Crawley DO beat Barrow on Tuesday, it could also be in our own hands if Barrow's results against Crawley and us (next Saturday) removes their GD advantage of 9.
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But that means Crawley had lost Tues, then we're after Crawley and thanks to fact we don't play Tues we'd have a game in hand, catching 1 point.
And barrow no longer have a game in hand too.
I know it's gd but as we play barrow, I'm calling it. We technically have this is our own hands, we just have to accept that if it went this route we'd have to keep smashing teams and shout at players score updates if suddenly barrow have scored too many lol.
That's why Crawley not winning is better because then it's in our hands on points, not just the gd scenario which is obviously more risky/difficult due to the logistics of a fluid gd landscape last game of the season haha!
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Thanks Northants. Agreed (sorry was responding to post above).
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Or if beat barrow 1-0, we ofcourse just win every game from then 10-0 haha!
Fair play to them if they beat our gd then.
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Definitely a draw leaves both catchable especially if we beat Barrow next Saturday.
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We want any result other than a Crawley win!
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Don't forget Crewe, who are not in good form (lost 0-3 at home to Grimsby today). They play Wrexham next weekend. Lose that and they will have 70 points and only a tricky away match at Colchester to follow.
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Crawley are away to Sutton next Saturday who are fighting for their EFL lives.
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If Barrow win 3 or 4 nowt would be good. Could come down to goal difference now.
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A Barrow win but their other cb gets a straight red?
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Walsal also play Tuesday and if they win we drop to 9th on goal difference but with a game in hand. We would then need to win or match their results. This is on top of hoping Crawley drop points from their last 3 matches. I have faith we will make at least 7th spot, remememder Barrow have only played 42 so have a game in hand as well.
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A Barrow win but their other cb gets a straight red?
They have 3 CB’s as play with wing backs usually. Yes could do with Chester getting a red. :byebye:
I have no fear though. We just need to keep doing what we have for weeks now.
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Walsall can’t catch us anymore if we do our bit and keep winning. I think the 4 play off teams will be from the 5 of us, Crawley, MK, Crewe and Barrow. Barrow, Crewe and Crawley all look like they could throw it away and end up out the top 7 which is great news for us!
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Losing their Centre Half Ray yesterday is a huge blow for them - they don't have the cover for him and he was their "Woody"
They'll not recover from that and hard to see them picking up any more than 3 or 4 points with their run in now.
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Barrow to beat Crawley is definitely the best scenario. If that happens the door is open and it’s all down to us.
We can’t be looking to hammer everyone to improve the GD or choosing who to play and when the home leg is.
If Crawley lose tomorrow, 3 scrappy wins for us will defo mean playoffs I think? Simple as that. Maybe 2 wins and a draw might even be enough, but drawing a game at this stage would feel like a defeat.
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Anyone sad enough to watch on iFollow? I think I may well be
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Anyone sad enough to watch on iFollow? I think I may well be
Me
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Losing their Centre Half Ray yesterday is a huge blow for them - they don't have the cover for him and he was their "Woody"
They'll not recover from that and hard to see them picking up any more than 3 or 4 points with their run in now.
I would say Chester is their Woody. Played in the Premier league and majority of career in the Championship. 35 caps for Wales also.
The other centre back Canavan is also an experienced player. Think he was at Scunthorpe & Rochdale, Plymouth & Bradford City.
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Anyone sad enough to watch on iFollow? I think I may well be
Yeah probably
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I was just thinking the same. I’m in.
Perhaps we can have a thread on here to accompany the game.
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I was just thinking the same. I’m in.
Perhaps we can have a thread on here to accompany the game.
Had we lost a couple lately we wouldn't have all this sh$t !
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A draw is the best result as we could still over take crawley with the game in hand and Barrow have Mansfield on the last day of the season
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This will not be an easy game. Even if they lose at Crawley they will still have everything to play for. It’s a massive 6 pointer.
Colchester. If they win tomorrow & Saturday then they may be safe when they play us but they may not.
This will be a very tricky game whatever their situation is a week tomorrow.
Gillingham may well be out of contention when we have our last game.
But the Priestfield is the worst ground for us in the EFL
Not checked our away record at Reading which might be close to being worst away ground.
Reading home and away is the overall the worst.
( Based on teams we have played over about 30 times )
But we are playing with so much confidence at present we should have no fear against anyone.
Previous results are always that. Previous. They are gone.
We play in the present not the past.
Bring them all on. They will be very worried about us, that is for sure.
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This will not be an easy game. Even if they lose at Crawley they will still have everything to play for. It’s a massive 6 pointer.
Colchester. If they win tomorrow & Saturday then they may be safe when they play us but they may not.
This will be a very tricky game whatever their situation is a week tomorrow.
Gillingham may well be out of contention when we have our last game.
But the Priestfield is the worst ground for us in the EFL
Not checked our away record at Reading which might be close to being worst away ground.
Reading home and away is the overall the worst.
( Based on teams we have played over about 30 times )
But we are playing with so much confidence at present we should have no fear against anyone.
Previous results are always that. Previous. They are gone.
We play in the present not the past.
Bring them all on. They will be very worried about us, that is for sure.
right now we dont fear anyone, let the chasing pack fear us!!!!!!, we have League 2's version of Mo Salah on the wing!!, scoring, assisting!!!! and showing no signs of letting up!!!
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Can’t see Crawley losing this unfortunately but Barrow have us Bradford and Mansfield after that
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I can’t see Crawley losing in the next three games but they did on Saturday. So if they beat Barrow then we have to do the same next Saturday. We will be same points a Barrow on 67 points. Barrow play Bradford on the Tuesday we play Colchester. So we again will need a win and hope Bradford can win or draw. Then it’s all down to the last Saturday
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I feel like we should be wanting a Barrow win. We don't need to catch one of them, and Crawley getting no points makes them easier to catch.
It's a very tough call.
Yes we only need to catch one of them.
But
If both of them are in reach, there's double the chance of one of them slipping up.
But
If both of them get a point tomorrow, they are both a bit closer to getting a points total that beats us.
A couple of weeks ago,vivwas looking at Barrow's final week and thinking they had two very tough games in Bradford and Mansfield at home. Bradford should still be a tough one as their players have points to prove, but I'm now worried that Mansfield may be in a position where they play all their second choice as they have nothing riding on the last game.
So, I'm now thinking Crawley ar the realistic target.
So, a Barrow win might be a decent result.
But.
If Crawley lose, they can still get 71 points and they have a better GD than us, so we'd still need to win all the final 3 to ensure 7th place.
In which case, the optimal result for us is possibly a draw tomorrow night. Means 3 wins for us still beats Crawley, but it keeps Barrow within reach as a Plan B in case we don't win all three.
That said, it'll be what it is.
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Poor home form v poor away form, neither team dare lose
0-0 written all over it
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ive been focussed on the teams currently in top 7, when working out what we need, forgetting theres a slew of teams just behind us, namely bradford, who can get 69 pts, now that is one team i deffo wouldnt want to face!! FRIKKIN ANDY COOK!!!! :-(
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ive been focussed on the teams currently in top 7, when working out what we need, forgetting theres a slew of teams just behind us, namely bradford, who can get 69 pts, now that is one team i deffo wouldnt want to face!! FRIKKIN ANDY COOK!!!! :-(
Woody put him in his pocket last time we played against them.
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Usually the draw is the better result with only 2pts being taken from the fixture and shared but in this situation the permutations available make it impossible to know which is best for us, we'll only know at the end of the season which one would have been best. My preference though at this stage is for Barrow to get two straight reds in added time and then hang on to beat the Creepys. Too much to ask?
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I was just thinking the same. I’m in.
Perhaps we can have a thread on here to accompany the game.
Lucky pint?
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A draw is the best result as we could still over take crawley with the game in hand and Barrow have Mansfield on the last day of the season
Only concern is Mansfield on the beach. They'll be promoted tomorrow but won't have a chance of winning the league
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ive been focussed on the teams currently in top 7, when working out what we need, forgetting theres a slew of teams just behind us, namely bradford, who can get 69 pts, now that is one team i deffo wouldnt want to face!! FRIKKIN ANDY COOK!!!! :-(
Woody put him in his pocket last time we played against them.
but we still lost, one of the few play off chasing teams we havnt beaten this yr... And don't get me started on Tyler smith!! I'm more than happy with any other team.
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ive been focussed on the teams currently in top 7, when working out what we need, forgetting theres a slew of teams just behind us, namely bradford, who can get 69 pts, now that is one team i deffo wouldnt want to face!! FRIKKIN ANDY COOK!!!! :-(
Woody put him in his pocket last time we played against them.
but we still lost, one of the few play off chasing teams we havnt beaten this yr... And don't get me started on Tyler smith!! I'm more than happy with any other team.
We didn't lose, we drew 1-1, and we were unlucky not to win.
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ive been focussed on the teams currently in top 7, when working out what we need, forgetting theres a slew of teams just behind us, namely bradford, who can get 69 pts, now that is one team i deffo wouldnt want to face!! FRIKKIN ANDY COOK!!!! :-(
Woody put him in his pocket last time we played against them.
but we still lost, one of the few play off chasing teams we havnt beaten this yr... And don't get me started on Tyler smith!! I'm more than happy with any other team.
We didn't lose, we drew1-1, and we were unlucky not to win.
sorry, im talking about the cup game, apologies, I'd forgotten about the recent league game.. doh...
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I was just thinking the same. I’m in.
Perhaps we can have a thread on here to accompany the game.
Lucky pint?
Yes, I think we should have a non-Rovers game on there for the first time. We need everyone on board with their calculators, SPSS, Excel, crystal balls, bits of moss dangled out the window etc.
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There is next to zero chance of US playing Bradford in the playoffs.
One of Crawley and Barrow will have at least 68 points tomorrow night. Bradford can only get 69 points and they have a worse GD than either of those teams.
It's possible Bradford could just about overtake one of those teams. But both they and we need to overtake both of them AND then win both of our semis for us to play Bradford in the playoffs.
Not going to happen.
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There is next to zero chance of US playing Bradford in the playoffs.
One of Crawley and Barrow will have at least 68 points tomorrow night. Bradford can only get 69 points and they have a worse GD than either of those teams.
It's possible Bradford could just about overtake one of those teams. But both they and we need to overtake both of them AND then win both of our semis for us to play Bradford in the playoffs.
Not going to happen.
let's hope so, I know you are correct, but there's this minute nagging doubt in my mind that summat weird is going to happen?
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Summat weird is happening, and it's happening to us
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There is next to zero chance of US playing Bradford in the playoffs.
One of Crawley and Barrow will have at least 68 points tomorrow night. Bradford can only get 69 points and they have a worse GD than either of those teams.
It's possible Bradford could just about overtake one of those teams. But both they and we need to overtake both of them AND then win both of our semis for us to play Bradford in the playoffs.
Not going to happen.
There’s been quite a few “it’s not going to happen” posts over the last few weeks
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I feel like we should be wanting a Barrow win. We don't need to catch one of them, and Crawley getting no points makes them easier to catch.
It's a very tough call.
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If Crawley lose, they can still get 71 points and they have a better GD than us, so we'd still need to win all the final 3 to ensure 7th place.
In which case, the optimal result for us is possibly a draw tomorrow night. Means 3 wins for us still beats Crawley, but it keeps Barrow within reach as a Plan B in case we don't win all three.
That said, it'll be what it is.
My thinking was simply that the GD is close enough that if Crawley lose, we might only need 2 wins and a draw to take 7th on GD.
Any other result makes it more like we'll need 3 wins. What I'd really like tonight is Barrow to smash them by 4 or 5.
I'll admit I wasn't considering what games came next. I think most importantly though, anything other than a Crawley win puts it in our hands... and that's remarkable given where we were 3 months ago.
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There is next to zero chance of US playing Bradford in the playoffs.
One of Crawley and Barrow will have at least 68 points tomorrow night. Bradford can only get 69 points and they have a worse GD than either of those teams.
It's possible Bradford could just about overtake one of those teams. But both they and we need to overtake both of them AND then win both of our semis for us to play Bradford in the playoffs.
Not going to happen.
There’s been quite a few “it’s not going to happen” posts over the last few weeks
Yes, you've made your point. Multiple times. Well done.
If we DO do this, it doesn't change the fact that it'll have been against odds of 1 in multiple lifetimes. Just stop needling and enjoy it.
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I did try and work out if there was a scenario where us and Gillingham could play out a result like Germany v Austria in 1982 World cup and both qualify. Everyone would hate us, but we would not care.
I think it would need a draw tomorrow night, both Barrow and Crawley to lose all their remaining games and us and Gillingham to win the our remaining games before the final day. If Barrow and Crawley finish earlier than us with Gillingham winning. We could relax.
I know I should be relaxing and enjoying it, the best run of wins in my lifetime and the only thing that matters is beating Barrow, but I keep looking at the table.
It is the hope that kills you.
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Hang on, what about Walsall?
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Hang on, what about Walsall?
They are still in with a shout if they beat Swindon tonight.
They need other results to go for them even more than us though.
It’s intriguing and getting a bit nerve racking. So many different permutations.
But we can only control our results not others. The pressure is on the teams now in the play off places.
It’s theirs to lose. For us it’s ours to gain.
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Put it this way. Forget the rest, if we win on Saturday we are (very likely) 2 wins off being in the playoffs. Thats the only permutation that matters.
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Put it this way. Forget the rest, if we win on Saturday we are (very likely) 2 wins off being in the playoffs. Thats the only permutation that matters.
I know that to be true but it hasn't stopped me getting up at 3.30 am and scribbling out a set of results out to work possible scenarios.
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All I know is that Saturday is our fourth consecutive "biggest game of the season"
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So a draw and 3 sending off each side and multiple yellows for suspension under totting up system
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I did try and work out if there was a scenario where us and Gillingham could play out a result like Germany v Austria in 1982 World cup and both qualify. Everyone would hate us, but we would not care.
I think it would need a draw tomorrow night, both Barrow and Crawley to lose all their remaining games and us and Gillingham to win the our remaining games before the final day. If Barrow and Crawley finish earlier than us with Gillingham winning. We could relax.
I know I should be relaxing and enjoying it, the best run of wins in my lifetime and the only thing that matters is beating Barrow, but I keep looking at the table.
It is the hope that kills you.
That's a fascinating hypothesis for the game at the Priestfield Stadium. If it were to occur I just cannot imagine Grant McCann countenancing a 1982 Germany V Austria scenario, not in a million years.
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Reading comments on the respective Forums, the mood is pessimistic in both camps, even though the Barrow lot seem fairly confident of the Top 7.
However there is acknowledgment that the latter are going to need something more than they have managed to produce to get anything out of any Away fixture against fellow Play-off contenders.
The Crawley fans feel that their manager lacks empathy with the players, favouring a universal big stick when a lot of his players are inexperienced and need more sympathetic handling especially in crucial matches at home.
So that makes it pretty even and perhaps given the pressure, the more experienced Barrow team might well avoid defeat.
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It is often better to be the hunter than the hunted.
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Barrow are 2/1 to win tonight, anyone tempted ?
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It is often better to be the hunter than the hunted.
My thoughts throughout this run. It's been virtual sudden death and I'm not sure how I would feel if we peaked too early and got the 7th place with the final games to play with something to protect.
The result tonight shouldn't detract from the need to win the next match until we run out of matches.
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I did try and work out if there was a scenario where us and Gillingham could play out a result like Germany v Austria in 1982 World cup and both qualify. Everyone would hate us, but we would not care.
I think it would need a draw tomorrow night, both Barrow and Crawley to lose all their remaining games and us and Gillingham to win the our remaining games before the final day. If Barrow and Crawley finish earlier than us with Gillingham winning. We could relax.
I know I should be relaxing and enjoying it, the best run of wins in my lifetime and the only thing that matters is beating Barrow, but I keep looking at the table.
It is the hope that kills you.
That's a fascinating hypothesis for the game at the Priestfield Stadium. If it were to occur I just cannot imagine Grant McCann countenancing a 1982 Germany V Austria scenario, not in a million years.
It is indeed fascinating. But let’s not forget, there would still be the playoffs to contend with. And if the two teams ended up in the final, then the gloves would be off for sure.
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Similar has happened. Coventry City 2–2 Bristol City, the final match for both sides in the 1977 English First Division. With five minutes remaining, players received news of a Sunderland defeat which meant a draw would save both Coventry and Bristol from relegation. Both sides stopped attempting to score for the final five minutes.
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Ireland and Holland players have admitted they stopped competing in the final 10 mins of their group match at Italia 90. They knew they were both through with a draw unless Egypt scored 2 vs England.
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Pros and cons to all scenarios of the game so I am not really bothered about the outcome. I am more looking and hoping that Swindon beat Walsall and Mansfield lose to Accrington so that they will have to beat Gills on Saturday. This would mean a win for us against Barrow would allow us to go to Gills on the final day with something to play for regardless of what happens at Colchester next week and that in itself is a monumental achievement.
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No Cole Stockton for Barrow… injured? Probably one of the best strikers in the division.
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Lucky Pint is open
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Only 6 subs again for Barrow
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Are they saving Stockton for Saturday?
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I imagine Woody and Joe are shitting themselves about facing the 7 goal machine eh ??
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Similar has happened. Coventry City 2–2 Bristol City, the final match for both sides in the 1977 English First Division. With five minutes remaining, players received news of a Sunderland defeat which meant a draw would save both Coventry and Bristol from relegation. Both sides stopped attempting to score for the final five minutes.
And I was there! I've mentioned it on here a few times over the years. It was excruciatingly funny - and wicked - at the same time.
As you'd expect it was Jimmy Hill behind it - using the then revolutionary electronic message board that Coventry had had installed. They got fined afterwards, but it was Sunderland who got relegated. The daft thing was it was a bloody fine game of footer upto that scoreflash on the board. 2-2 and an absolutely jam packed Highfield Road. That was why the kick off was delayed - hence allowing a chance for the mischief...
I'll never, ever forget that game!
BobG
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I imagine Woody and Joe are shitting themselves about facing the 7 goal machine eh ??
Wouldn’t be so cock sure if I were you. He’s done for us previously over the years. I’d rather he didn’t play on sat to be honest
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My thoughts too.
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I imagine Woody and Joe are shitting themselves about facing the 7 goal machine eh ??
Wouldn’t be so cock sure if I were you. He’s done for us previously over the years. I’d rather he didn’t play on sat to be honest
Not cock sure at all - just putting it in perspective,compared to the prolific ( mobile !! ) strikers who we've shut out recently he doesn't really compare does he?
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Barrow 1 up
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Get in
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Very much against the run of play. 70/30 possession so far
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Crawley have lots of possession every game. Don’t always do much with it though
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Just short of 6 hours from Barrow to Crawley, so got to tip my hat at all the Barrow fans who made the long journey.
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Crawley have lots of possession every game. Don’t always do much with it though
Crawley have been absolute cack. Barrow haven't been much better but got one quality cross in for the goal.
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Come on Swindon!
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Wish list for second half.
1. Barrow to get a few more goals to chalk off Crawleys gd advantage.
2. Swindon to bang in a few goals please.
3. Colchester to continue winning. This puts huge emphasis on Sutton.who host Crawley this sat.
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Are we any wiser if the scores stay the same? Are we richer or poorer?
The only observation that springs to mind if Barrow win tonight, is they will only need a draw on Saturday to secure a play off spot, which means they could try to park the bus.
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Are we any wiser if the scores stay the same? Are we richer or poorer?
The only observation that springs to mind if Barrow win tonight, is they will only need a draw on Saturday to secure a play off spot, which means they could try to park the bus.
Walsall winning is the only fly in the ointment currently. Imho
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Are we any wiser if the scores stay the same? Are we richer or poorer?
The only observation that springs to mind if Barrow win tonight, is they will only need a draw on Saturday to secure a play off spot, which means they could try to park the bus.
Walsall winning is the only fly in the ointment currently. Imho
Yes, their two remaining games could be against teams already 'on the beach.'
Both Crawley and Barrow will face at least one in their remaining games.
Whatever happens, our approach will be the same.
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Crawley penalty was harsh on barrow as it hit his hand from a save from the goalie
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Not a pen for me just seem to hit his arm,but can see a sending off coming though now
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Swindon level . Get in
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Crawley penalty was harsh on barrow as it hit his hand from a save from the goalie
Very soft I thought. Big half for Crawley.
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Walsall 1-1
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I’d take these scores now!
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I’d take these scores now!
100%
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Big 10 mins plus stoppages
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link to a "live" table here, kittens:
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/league-two/tabelle/wettbewerb/GB4/saison_id/2023 (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/league-two/tabelle/wettbewerb/GB4/saison_id/2023)
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Barrow have hit the post
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That’s 91 played.
Walsall winning again ffs
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Walsall score
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4 mins extra played. Jesus
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No issue, it's in our hands.
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Full
Time . 1-1. Wow
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That’s it. A playoff place is now in rovers hands . Wow. Just wow
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Incredible really. Truly incredible. 3 wins
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Just hope Colchester are safe by next Tuesday and Gillingham are on the beach for last match.
Beat Barrow on Saturday and they will have serious jitters for their last 2 games.
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This time next week if results go our way, we will have cemented our place in the playoffs and have a party at Gills. Crazy
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Incredible really. Truly incredible. 3 wins
Exactly this.
What GM, Cliff and the squad have achieved in these last 2 months to take play-off qualification into their own hands is utterly astonishing.
Let’s get behind them on Saturday and whatever happens, we can be very proud.
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Grants pre match team chat this sat has already written itself.
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PC Crabtree has been posting in the comments on the BBC page for this game.
"Doncaster just hoovering outside waiting to ponce into the play-offs."
I'm hoping we do it in a bit more manly style misen.
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Just looking on Crawley's forum.
They reckon after his booking tonight, Jay Williams, their main centre half is suspended for the final 2 games.
Edit. Yep, that looks right. That's his 15th booking of the season.
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Roy of the Rovers stuff really when you think about it. At one point we looked doomed. Now we look like a team on a mission. It's not very often you get a run of form we have hit, if ever for some teams. Will be talked about for many years.
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https://www.skysports.com/football/video/26947/13116938/crawley-town-1-1-barrow-league-two-highlights
Barrow unfortunate from the highlights, harsh handball for the pen given to Creepy, then a goal disallowed, and hit the post.
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I don't see how that was awarded a penalty. It was ball to hand not hand to ball, his arm was not in an unnatural position and there was no advantage gained. It cannot have been deliberate because he prevented the ball from going out of play and instead played it back to the attacking team.
I guess they must have changed the rules since my day.
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I don't see how that was awarded a penalty. It was ball to hand not hand to ball, his arm was not in an unnatural position and there was no advantage gained. It cannot have been deliberate because he prevented the ball from going out of play and instead played it back to the attacking team.
I guess they must have changed the rules since my day.
Hmmm, I watched it a couple of times and actually think it was a pen. He is looking at the ball and scoops it with his arm. IMO.
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PC Crabtree has been posting in the comments on the BBC page for this game.
"Doncaster just hoovering outside waiting to ponce into the play-offs."
I'm hoping we do it in a bit more manly style misen.
Immediately brought the image of Freddie Mercury and his vacuum cleaner to mind......
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PC Crabtree has been posting in the comments on the BBC page for this game.
"Doncaster just hoovering outside waiting to ponce into the play-offs."
I'm hoping we do it in a bit more manly style misen.
Immediately brought the image of Freddie Mercury and his vacuum cleaner to mind......
Vacuum on you reeeeeeeeeds!
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PC Crabtree has been posting in the comments on the BBC page for this game.
"Doncaster just hoovering outside waiting to ponce into the play-offs."
I'm hoping we do it in a bit more manly style misen.
I sink you moan Officer Crabtree :-]]
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PC Crabtree has been posting in the comments on the BBC page for this game.
"Doncaster just hoovering outside waiting to ponce into the play-offs."
I'm hoping we do it in a bit more manly style misen.
Immediately brought the image of Freddie Mercury and his vacuum cleaner to mind......
Ha, I was going to say exactly the same thing.
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PC Crabtree has been posting in the comments on the BBC page for this game.
"Doncaster just hoovering outside waiting to ponce into the play-offs."
I'm hoping we do it in a bit more manly style misen.
(https://media.tenor.com/U5VRXe1WnocAAAAM/i-want-to-break-free-i-want-to-break-free-music-video.gif)