Only multi millionaire off shore tax -dodgers and disaster capitalists would benefit from Brexit and not many of the in Doncaster , though a fair few are chums with Johnson.
Do really think an Eton toff , Bullingdon Club member with that name has Doncaster's interest at heart ?
So come on :-
Get in touch with Best for Doncaster
https://bestfordoncaster.uk/
Only multi millionaire off shore tax -dodgers and disaster capitalists would benefit from Brexit and not many of the in Doncaster , though a fair few are chums with Johnson.
Do really think an Eton toff , Bullingdon Club member with that name has Doncaster's interest at heart ?
So come on :-
Get in touch with Best for Doncaster
https://bestfordoncaster.uk/
69% of people in Donny voted for Brexit, not Boris. He just happens to be someone who supports Brexit.
Those Donny votes were 3 years ago
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Only multi millionaire off shore tax -dodgers and disaster capitalists would benefit from Brexit and not many of the in Doncaster , though a fair few are chums with Johnson.
Do really think an Eton toff , Bullingdon Club member with that name has Doncaster's interest at heart ?
So come on :-
Get in touch with Best for Doncaster
https://bestfordoncaster.uk/
69% of people in Donny voted for Brexit, not Boris. He just happens to be someone who supports Brexit.
The very same man that had two speeches written out, one in suport of Brexit, one in support of remain, and he just waited to see which way the wind would blow. So no one really knows what he’s in support of, apart from himself
what people ?
EmmaJaneManley @EmmaJaneManley1
I voted leave out of anger. Angry at the austerity cuts and being on the frontline of having to fight hard for daughter to attend a special school. Feeling angry, a bus with a big lie took my vote. What an idiot I was and I so regret the damage caused since. #changeUK
here's another couple
a brilliant thread on Twitter by the former Vote Leave staffer Oliver Norgrove ex-plaining why he couldn’t support Brexit anymore. This thread mirrored my own thoughts, and I finally admitted I had changed my mind.
We have had 3 wasted years of trashing our own economy and country’s reputation. We have seen racism and xenophobia spiral. We don’t want to ‘get on with it’, we want it buried.
what people ?
EmmaJaneManley @EmmaJaneManley1
I voted leave out of anger. Angry at the austerity cuts and being on the frontline of having to fight hard for daughter to attend a special school. Feeling angry, a bus with a big lie took my vote. What an idiot I was and I so regret the damage caused since. #changeUK
here's another couple
a brilliant thread on Twitter by the former Vote Leave staffer Oliver Norgrove ex-plaining why he couldn’t support Brexit anymore. This thread mirrored my own thoughts, and I finally admitted I had changed my mind.
We have had 3 wasted years of trashing our own economy and country’s reputation. We have seen racism and xenophobia spiral. We don’t want to ‘get on with it’, we want it buried.
Here you go SS.
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/in-highsight-do-you-think-britain-was-right-or-wrong-to-vote-to-leave-the-eu/
SS
So you know a representative sample of people of all ages, classes and political persuasions, from all parts of the country?
Only multi millionaire off shore tax -dodgers and disaster capitalists would benefit from Brexit and not many of the in Doncaster , though a fair few are chums with Johnson.Good post FB, any group that is formed up to get local people interested in politics is a good idea. Of course there will be the usual knockers and would be comedians because it scares them.
Do really think an Eton toff , Bullingdon Club member with that name has Doncaster's interest at heart ?
So come on :-
Get in touch with Best for Doncaster
https://bestfordoncaster.uk/
At last it looks like we have a PM with the right attitude who is building a good team around him to deliver what we voted for. Excellent speech from him yesterday I thought.
At last it looks like we have a PM with the right attitude who is building a good team around him to deliver what we voted for. Excellent speech from him yesterday I thought.
The sun shines down on the righteous!
Those who think President Cummins and his lapdog BoJo are planning for inclusion should maybe look below the surface;The Canary is a Left wing press site which supports Jeremy Corbyn and the Green Party also, nothing here for me!
https://www.thecanary.co/opinion/2019/07/27/boris-johnson-rules-out-a-snap-election-heres-the-evidence-that-suggests-otherwise/
Remember what you were told leading up to the theft of your vote before.
Be careful of the company you keep.
Just pointing out what you are doing. Nothing more, nothing less. You want to use opinions of neo-Nazis to support the point you are wanting to make then fine. Your choice.If they are neo nazis then why haven't they been arrested, and why are they allowed to speak?
And the evidence you chose to make that point was a speech by a leader of a neo-Nazi party. A party which has its own agenda on the issue of wanting to destabilise both the EU and German politics.😂😂😂😂😂 Kicking and screaming won't help you get your Teddy you threw out of your pram in 2016.
That's bad enough.
Then you double down by somehow drawing the conclusion that those neo-Nazis represent EU opinion.
For what it's worth, I don't think the EU has been (note the tense: I know these things are important to you) laughing at us. I think they've been grimly disappointed. Not shitting themselves, because we can't possibly damage them as much as we can damage ourselves, and they know that when push comes to shove, we not so f**king stupid as to economically hammer ourselves just purely to spite them.
Did you watch that Storyville documentary about the attitudes of the EU negotiators? The one that Leave.EU selectively editted to wind up the gullible into believing that the negotiators were devious liars? It's well worth watching. You'll see an attitude of sadness from the EU, combined with a steely determination that Brexit is not going to undermine the EU (which, of course, is what the AfD and their friends in the Kremlin want to happen).
I sense now that there is a sense of bewilderment that Britain,a country renown for hard-headed pragmatic diplomacy, has chosen a f**king idiot like Johnson as it's leader. Not pissing themselves exactly, but astonished that we could make ourselves look so utterly stupid. Play to the mob in the way that tin pot autocrats do in countries that don't have pretensions of being serious world powers.
other countries will certainly be confused by the UK voting to deliberately sabotage it's own economy. I can actually hear them p1ssing themselves with laughter from here.
You're miles off the pace SS.
Yes, Trump's tax cuts gave the economy a sugar rush (as well as massively increasing the deficit...hey! funny that! Republicans used to care about the deficit when they were stopping Obama spending when the economy REALLY needed it...).
But the effect is already wearing off rapidly.
America's long term GDP growth rate is about 3.3%. Under Trump it just kissed that value briefly as the tax cuts kicked in. But growth has dropped rapidly over the past year. It's now down to 2.2% and falling like a stone.
Go check. The data's all out there.
The economy ain't going to win it for Trump next year.
SS.
Why do you do this? There's a whole world of information at your fingertips out there.
Go and have a look at how many jobs were created under Obama. He inherited an economy at the start of the worst recession in 80 years but, despite a Republican Congress that neutered his more ambitious reflation proposals, there were about 13 million jobs created between 2010 and 2017.
Just go and look at the numbers and see if they support what you want to believe.
BST, in a borough that voted almost 70% leave.... what do the Best for Doncaster group hope to achieve?
Billy my apologies it was foxbat who mentioned the group.... I mis-read!
That's Ireland and NI sorted out then,
''Sinn Féin said if a no-deal Brexit happens, the government must call a referendum on Irish unity "immediately"
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-49172693
That's Ireland and NI sorted out then,
''Sinn Féin said if a no-deal Brexit happens, the government must call a referendum on Irish unity "immediately"
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-49172693
I only know two northern irishmen but am assured everyone they k know thinks the same but their opinion when asked about the border issue was along the lines of "fck the Irish, build a wall".... and "I would cut those bssstards off if I had a big enough chainsaw"
I think the media are overestimating the will of the northern Irish to unify the island.
That's Ireland and NI sorted out then,
''Sinn Féin said if a no-deal Brexit happens, the government must call a referendum on Irish unity "immediately"
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-49172693
I only know two northern irishmen but am assured everyone they k know thinks the same but their opinion when asked about the border issue was along the lines of "fck the Irish, build a wall".... and "I would cut those bssstards off if I had a big enough chainsaw"
I think the media are overestimating the will of the northern Irish to unify the island.
an independent NI, and Scotland for that matter, would be light years away from being in a credible position to meet the EU joining requirements.There is nothing to stop Ireland, Scotland, NI and Wales for that matter joining a common trading group.
Lets hope the Scots don't ask for their North Sea Oil money back aye?
Dude, where's my North Sea oil money?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/13/north-sea-oil-money-uk-norwegians-fund
Interesting read. Is there any agreement in place that says the oil fields would be in Scotlands territorial waters in the event of a UK divide? As it stands the waters are british not scottish.
Let's hope we dont ask for our Barnett formula subsidies back eh?
It works both ways. Perhaps not to the tune of the billions of oil money but the principle is the same.
Our debts and profits... you were the one saying they should claim the oil money back!
No, that's not what I said.
I cant comment on the figures as I cant find a link to back them up. If they're right then of course it doesn't paint a great picture.
I'm patient.
That doesn't mean we should end austerity now because of the past bad decisions. We are continuing to get into more debt at a rate of over £5000 per second. And you would have us spend more???
Austerity is what is shackling the economy, putting more money into the hands of those that will spend it all is better than putting it into the hands of those that will squirrel it away. Are we going around in circles here?
Good for them if they do, I wish we could be in a trading partnership with our neighbours that didn't include politics and third party control of our national interest.
We are in the midst of a right-wing coup & have been for 3+ years. Getting us to vote on leaving the EU was never about whether our EU membership was good for us or not, it was simply the vehicle for those who wanted to seize absolute power to achieve their nefarious goals.What's wrong with right wing. Why has that become a dirty word. A few years of proper, right wing, conservative (little C) values might get the country back on track.
Johnson's "War cabinet" will spend at wartime levels on state propaganda. Because it's a war against you, the poor, the students, the old, the sick, the young families - oh and manufacturing. It's a war for greed and racism.
We are in the midst of a right-wing coup & have been for 3+ years. Getting us to vote on leaving the EU was never about whether our EU membership was good for us or not, it was simply the vehicle for those who wanted to seize absolute power to achieve their nefarious goals.What's wrong with right wing. Why has that become a dirty word. A few years of proper, right wing, conservative (little C) values might get the country back on track.
Johnson's "War cabinet" will spend at wartime levels on state propaganda. Because it's a war against you, the poor, the students, the old, the sick, the young families - oh and manufacturing. It's a war for greed and racism.
Conflating the right with automatic racism is insulting and unnecessary.
I'm open to debate but there is some rampant socialist elements here it seems. Also, and not necessarily in this post, but in general, more than a hint of patronizing tone, as I've said before... which, if you understand those right of center, and if you truly understood the working class (which I am but it depends my which metric you use)... you would avoid.
Patronising Brexit voters, patronising right wingers, I can assure you is only a route to the cementing of their/my views. Perhaps if Labour/Lib Dems understood that they would win more people over.
Just my opinion but in recent years the centre ground appears to have shifted to the right to the extent that the far right isn't as, well, far as it once was. Perhaps why it's become something of a dirty word.
Excuse my crap English, on mobile.
The Conservatives run the economy like an accountant would instead of trying to run it like an economist would.
The Conservatives run the economy like an accountant would instead of trying to run it like an economist would.
Corbyn would run the country like a communist would instead of trying to run it like an economist would.
The Conservatives run the economy like an accountant would instead of trying to run it like an economist would.
Corbyn would run the country like a communist would instead of trying to run it like an economist would.
A bit improper perhaps for them to say that? I know they like to be out there but perhaps across a line? It's as improper as saying Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser which I don't really agree with either.
A bit improper perhaps for them to say that? I know they like to be out there but perhaps across a line? It's as improper as saying Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser which I don't really agree with either.
Why? Micheal Howard sacked Johnson because he lied to his face. So did David Cameron. Where's the ambiguity?
Waiting for a tory fanboy on here to spin that...
''Boris Johnson has asked the attorney general, Geoffrey Cox, whether parliament can be shut down for five weeks from 9 September in what appears to be a concerted plan to stop MPs forcing a further extension to Brexit, according to leaked government correspondence''
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/24/johnson-seeks-legal-advice-parliament-closure
Johnson is the tw@t of modern day UK politics and should be given the same treatment as Guy Fawkes.
Promising everything to his supporters but bereft of ideas to back up his spiel he wants to stab the ball so no one can play
Little Britain you got what you voted for.
''Fawkes gave his name as John Johnson''
'' Fawkes was identified as Guido Fawkes, "otherwise called Guido Johnson"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes#Torture
By the way. This is what happens when grown ups claim they're being worldly-wise and say "Oh they all lie." They DON'T all lie. But if you lazily assume they do, you end up with a real pathological liar as your leader.
But is this not prime example of why so many hate politics. Pork pies ffs, who cares?I suppose what it shows byyp that johnson will lie about absolutely anything, it's in his dna, make a statement or state an answer and worry about whether it's the truth later. I care bfyp if the PM is a lying 777K, don't you?
There appears to be some small movement from the eu, let's see what happens.
But is this not prime example of why so many hate politics. Pork pies ffs, who cares?
There appears to be some small movement from the eu, let's see what happens.
Could labour install a new leader in time for a snap election?
Could labour install a new leader in time for a snap election?
I would have liked to have seen David Milliband win when he ran against Ed but I realise that doesnt answer your question (sorry)
Steve Miller Band would do a better job that Johnson as well (by the by)
My feelings were a while back DW that if May or Corbyn couldn't support a new vote then they would have to be replaced. Different circumstances now though.Could labour install a new leader in time for a snap election?
I would have liked to have seen David Milliband win when he ran against Ed but I realise that doesnt answer your question (sorry)
Steve Miller Band would do a better job that Johnson as well (by the by)
Could labour install a new leader in time for a snap election?
Johnson broke a record today - he lost his first Parliamentary vote quicker than any PM in modern history
Bonus point for the last year it happened.
NEW:
Boris Johnson having to scrap his weekend with the Queen in Balmoral to handle the Brexit crisis
Alastair PEOPLE’S VOTE Campbell Retweeted Tom Newton Dunn
Can’t blame him. Won’t be fun having Philip ask him why he lied to Her Maj about the reasons for prorogation
Apparently he’d rather be dead in a ditch than go to the EU for another extension
Today in Scotland.
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/14427/production/_108638928_056288138.jpg)
One is a fat, slow-witted creature that has to be smacked and poked to go in the right direction and produces vast amounts of bullshit on a daily basis.
And the other is a bull.
''And Mr Johnson will use his visit to Scotland to announce an additional £51.4m for Scottish farmers over the next two years.
Writing in the Daily Telegraph, Mr Johnson says the extra funding would "correct an injustice", but also help Scottish farmers "secure their future"
(and possibly save my sorry arse)
But Ian Blackford, the SNP leader at Westminster, insisted the money should have been given to farmers and crofters in Scotland in 2016.
"Three years too late the case is coming to Scotland," he said''
"I find it hard to comprehend why anyone would wish to break apart a successful country, tear the cross of St Andrew out of the Union Flag and draw an international frontier across our island," he writes''
Just have a long look in the @@@@ing mirror
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49599334
Today in Scotland.
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/14427/production/_108638928_056288138.jpg)
One is a fat, slow-witted creature that has to be smacked and poked to go in the right direction and produces vast amounts of bullshit on a daily basis.
And the other is a bull.
This is a superb dissection of the lies and deception at the heart of Johnson's position.An excellent but frightening article. A bleak future for politics.
Anyone who really cares about this country has to read and digest this. This is NOT normal and not acceptable.
We'll pull back from this culture of just "meh" when politicians lie, but only when voters start to properly care about it and punish it.
https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2019/09/06/week-in-review-clinging-to-reality-under-a-post-truth-govern
Things you thought you'd never have to read.
The Times this weekend. An unnamed Cabinet Minister says, "The PM has assured me he will abide by the rule of law."
Well THAT'S awfully good of him, int it?
Everything the tories do is on a different level or far worse than labour do mate, is that lie worse than anti semitism? Worse than Blair taking us into a illegal war? Pretty much side with putin instead of believe our own security services? Yes what your saying is right it’s not good to lie but which is worse? Where is labour outrage to them things I mention?
I just have done and let’s be honest sydney do you honesty think it bothers me if you take me seriously mate all you do is read your left leaning papers then ridicule anyone who says anything from a right leaning one, Corbyn misleads people when on a train for his own political reasons yet your not outraged? Sides with putin and basically calls out secret service liars and your not outraged? There is 2 gripes there for youEverything the tories do is on a different level or far worse than labour do mate, is that lie worse than anti semitism? Worse than Blair taking us into a illegal war? Pretty much side with putin instead of believe our own security services? Yes what your saying is right it’s not good to lie but which is worse? Where is labour outrage to them things I mention?
Maybe if you detailed some of your gripes about the labour party you would be taken seriously bp?
I just have done and let’s be honest sydney do you honesty think it bothers me if you take me seriously mate all you do is read your left leaning papers then ridicule anyone who says anything from a right leaning one, Corbyn misleads people when on a train for his own political reasons yet your not outraged? Sides with putin and basically calls out secret service liars and your not outraged? There is 2 gripes there for youEverything the tories do is on a different level or far worse than labour do mate, is that lie worse than anti semitism? Worse than Blair taking us into a illegal war? Pretty much side with putin instead of believe our own security services? Yes what your saying is right it’s not good to lie but which is worse? Where is labour outrage to them things I mention?
Maybe if you detailed some of your gripes about the labour party you would be taken seriously bp?
Boris tells lies, no doubt about it, yet is not pulled up about it. What do you think would happen if Corbyn told a lie, would the press ignore it?
Boris tells lies, no doubt about it, yet is not pulled up about it. What do you think would happen if Corbyn told a lie, would the press ignore it?
What do you mean he's not pulled up about it! Have you seen the news lately?
If Corbyn lied the press would treat him exactly the same as Boris Johnson, but the likes of Wilts would ignore it!
Well there you go it does seem as though Johnson will be keeping his promise to invest £million's in Yorkshire. By moving 10 000 of the countries criminals here in a new 'mega prison'.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/prison-jail-new-york-build-boris-johnson-a9103961.html
What a perfect summary of what boris means to most people
In case you missed the highlights of Johnson's trip Oop North.
https://mobile.twitter.com/shahmiruk/status/1172602253649350656
In case you missed the highlights of Johnson's trip Oop North.
https://mobile.twitter.com/shahmiruk/status/1172602253649350656
Oop North? I didn't hear one person with a Northern accent. I think you've been duped there.
boris has signed up to do a whole series of Would I lie to You, plays all the parts, writes the scripts and fxcks the dog too.
Part of it was recorded in Donny marketplace Steve
I lied about the dog
Anyone remember the Numbskulls a comic strip in the Whopper I think, there is a cutaway section showing the different compartments with a team for receiving and processing food etc, vision, etc this so much reminds me of that.Think it was the Topper !
I got a touch of borismylietis from some fish I bought in the marketplace yesterday
In case you missed the highlights of Johnson's trip Oop North.
https://mobile.twitter.com/shahmiruk/status/1172602253649350656
Oop North? I didn't hear one person with a Northern accent. I think you've been duped there.
So that woman in Donny market wasn't local?
Part of it was recorded in Donny marketplace Steve
He's clutching a straws. :laugh:
The "please leave my town" guy is my fave. Isn't he in Morley or Wakefield?
In case you missed the highlights of Johnson's trip Oop North.
https://mobile.twitter.com/shahmiruk/status/1172602253649350656
Oop North? I didn't hear one person with a Northern accent. I think you've been duped there.
So that woman in Donny market wasn't local?
Anyone remember the Numbskulls a comic strip in the Whopper I think, there is a cutaway section showing the different compartments with a team for receiving and processing food etc, vision, etc this so much reminds me of that.Think it was the Topper !
Sure it wasn't Hansard?Anyone remember the Numbskulls a comic strip in the Whopper I think, there is a cutaway section showing the different compartments with a team for receiving and processing food etc, vision, etc this so much reminds me of that.Think it was the Topper !
Missed your post Sproty, well remembered.
In case you missed the highlights of Johnson's trip Oop North.
https://mobile.twitter.com/shahmiruk/status/1172602253649350656
Oop North? I didn't hear one person with a Northern accent. I think you've been duped there.
So that woman in Donny market wasn't local?
I used to think Donny was in the North then I moved to Newcastle and realised just how central Donny is, its Midlands 😂
Anyone remember the Numbskulls a comic strip in the Whopper I think, there is a cutaway section showing the different compartments with a team for receiving and processing food etc, vision, etc this so much reminds me of that.Think it was the Topper !
I thought it was Watford Gap ServoIn case you missed the highlights of Johnson's trip Oop North.
https://mobile.twitter.com/shahmiruk/status/1172602253649350656
Oop North? I didn't hear one person with a Northern accent. I think you've been duped there.
So that woman in Donny market wasn't local?
I used to think Donny was in the North then I moved to Newcastle and realised just how central Donny is, its Midlands 😂
Didn't they say the North began at those towers in Sheffield that got knocked down?
Unbelievable scenes at the press conference with the Luxembourg PM today. Boris doesn't turn up because he's scared of protestors shouting over him again, so the Luxembourg PM decides to empty chair Boris and publicly call him a liar. He lays into Boris, saying the UK hasn't come up with any new ideas, and that the problems are all self-inflicted for a good few minutes. Also says the EU didn't do enough to counter the lies (he actually used the word "lies") of the Leave campaign. Wow.
Do you not think that shows the Luxembourg pm up not boris? What would be the point in it being outside and people just shouting abuse? If the Luxembourg pm had gone To a leave area do you think boris would have done the same or just had it inside?
All the news broadcasts I've seen are suggesting the whole thing was a stitch up by the Luxembourg PM.
Insignificant little country. They've never forgiven us since we dicked them 9-0 at Wembley.
How many would be happy for Boris to make an 'executive decision' to take the UK out of the EU with no-deal without involving parliament.
Alastair Campbell
Verified account @campbellclaret 9m9 minutes ago
talkRADIO
It is an insult to the whole of Europe and to the intelligence of U.K. citizens that Johnson talks of progress in negotiations when he has not put forward one single credible coherent plan around which to negotiate
Alastair Campbell
Verified account @campbellclaret 9m9 minutes ago
talkRADIO
It is an insult to the whole of Europe and to the intelligence of U.K. citizens that Johnson talks of progress in negotiations when he has not put forward one single credible coherent plan around which to negotiate
You might have a point FB, but seriously, Alastair Campbell? That's really scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Even the Labour Party have f*cked him off.
The point I would make (and I'm not a fan of Boris Johnson), what would you all have said if this had been him doing that to the Luxembourg leader? You'd have crucified him. What exactly in that position should he do? Childish politics at play from the Luxembourg chap really.
Slightly amusing seeing some of the lefties heralding this guy also. Because the policies of Luxembourg are so in line with the left's views aren't they?
The original point is, let them all be heard respectfully, that's not too much to ask is it?
It was clearly a bit of a silly set up, designed to paint him in an even worse light than hes already in. Saying that though, when you’re as pugnacious and bullish as Johnson then you’ve got to expect some come back. I’ve no problem with him being made to look a t**t
It was clearly a bit of a silly set up, designed to paint him in an even worse light than hes already in. Saying that though, when you’re as pugnacious and bullish as Johnson then you’ve got to expect some come back. I’ve no problem with him being made to look a t**t
Have you seen the latest? IDS has gone on about how we saved Luxembourg in the war and how they should be grateful in the DailySplutterMail, with the usual predictable online comments from all the gammons spluttering along with him.
The problem is, though, that it was the Americans that liberated Luxembourg.
It was clearly a bit of a silly set up, designed to paint him in an even worse light than hes already in. Saying that though, when you’re as pugnacious and bullish as Johnson then you’ve got to expect some come back. I’ve no problem with him being made to look a t**t
The problem is, though, that it was the Americans that liberated Luxembourg.
The point I would make (and I'm not a fan of Boris Johnson), what would you all have said if this had been him doing that to the Luxembourg leader? You'd have crucified him. What exactly in that position should he do? Childish politics at play from the Luxembourg chap really.
Slightly amusing seeing some of the lefties heralding this guy also. Because the policies of Luxembourg are so in line with the left's views aren't they?
The original point is, let them all be heard respectfully, that's not too much to ask is it?
For someone who is not a fan of Johnson you do seem to jump to his defence rather readily.
Another day, another instinctive lie.
When he got harrassed by the bloke in a hospital today, he was accused of using a hospital as a media opportunity.
Johnson instinctively said there was no Press there. In front of TV cameras and photo journalists snapping away. And it turns out Downing Street had sent out a press piece telling the media he'd be there and inviting them to come.
It's a fascinating insight and it fits with so many other examples. When he's under pressure, he simply lies. Even when the lie is to stupid to possibly believe.
Not what I'd want from anyone in any position of authority.
Edit: Here it is.
https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1174291989203959808
It's a tiny example, but f**k me, what mental processes make you say "there's no press here" in front of the press at a press event that you've organised?
The point I would make (and I'm not a fan of Boris Johnson), what would you all have said if this had been him doing that to the Luxembourg leader? You'd have crucified him. What exactly in that position should he do? Childish politics at play from the Luxembourg chap really.
Slightly amusing seeing some of the lefties heralding this guy also. Because the policies of Luxembourg are so in line with the left's views aren't they?
The original point is, let them all be heard respectfully, that's not too much to ask is it?
For someone who is not a fan of Johnson you do seem to jump to his defence rather readily.
All politicians deserve the right to be heard and even if you agree with them or not give them respect.
A good point made on that is it actually helps boris aswell play up to that narrative of the eu giving no care at all to the uk and happy to play games. It doesnt help the politics does it?
One thing I've never understood is what is an open lie, and why it is worse than an 'unopen' lie?
Just a thought is Cummings being kept out of the limelight, haven't seen or heard of him for quite a few days, I think they must have put the choker on?
Looking at probability and Johnson's character do you think he would have bent the rules to do this for a friend?
''Boris Johnson urged to justify 'awarding public funds to close friend'
PM allegedly gave money and access to trade missions to US entrepreneur Jennifer Arcuri while mayor''
25K + a possible further 100K, nice of you can get it, I'll bet that would have come in handy when you made the decision to go solo HA.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/22/boris-johnson-urged-to-justify-awarding-public-funds-to-close-friend-jennifer-arcuri
Looking at probability and Johnson's character do you think he would have bent the rules to do this for a friend?
''Boris Johnson urged to justify 'awarding public funds to close friend'
PM allegedly gave money and access to trade missions to US entrepreneur Jennifer Arcuri while mayor''
25K + a possible further 100K, nice of you can get it, I'll bet that would have come in handy when you made the decision to go solo HA.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/22/boris-johnson-urged-to-justify-awarding-public-funds-to-close-friend-jennifer-arcuri
Is it just me that thinks he's spent public money just to get inside her knickers?
I dont really like that wilts. Just as I dont like the thought of johnson breaking the law. A better stance is if johnson breaks the law he should be disposed of his position.
''Boris Johnson faces new pressure to answer questions about his relationship with ex-model, 34, as it emerges she received a FOURTH taxpayer handout worth £12,447''
Not hearing a lot from our boris fans?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7495921/Squirming-Boris-dodges-SIX-questions-ex-model.html
''Boris Johnson faces new pressure to answer questions about his relationship with ex-model, 34, as it emerges she received a FOURTH taxpayer handout worth £12,447''
Not hearing a lot from our boris fans?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7495921/Squirming-Boris-dodges-SIX-questions-ex-model.html
Are there any boris fans on here?
''Boris Johnson faces new pressure to answer questions about his relationship with ex-model, 34, as it emerges she received a FOURTH taxpayer handout worth £12,447''
Not hearing a lot from our boris fans?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7495921/Squirming-Boris-dodges-SIX-questions-ex-model.html
Are there any boris fans on here?
johnson hasn't won anything yet since becoming PM, he's lost all his votes in parliament and now this, not a good looking report card, zero.
''Brexit: Boris Johnson says supreme court ruling makes getting deal harder – live news''
Damn parliament and democracy getting in the way?
''Brexit: Boris Johnson says supreme court ruling makes getting deal harder – live news''
Damn parliament and democracy getting in the way?
''Brexit: Boris Johnson says supreme court ruling makes getting deal harder – live news''
Damn parliament and democracy getting in the way?
But we don't need a deal with the EU. Johnson has just said, in a press statement to US and Canadian delegates, that a free trade agreement with the USA will allow us to sell the tariff free cauliflowers - yes, really! Our economy is saved. :silly:
''Boris Johnson faces new pressure to answer questions about his relationship with ex-model, 34, as it emerges she received a FOURTH taxpayer handout worth £12,447''
Not hearing a lot from our boris fans?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7495921/Squirming-Boris-dodges-SIX-questions-ex-model.html
Are there any boris fans on here?
Wasn't some saying that the election would be won on personalities and therefore JC would lose against johnson?
Yep he's finally lost it, given up on sanity, a first class cnut.Quite the opposite Sydney. He knows exactly what he's doing when he says "humbug" to the memory of Jo Cox.
Yep he's finally lost it, given up on sanity, a first class cnut.Quite the opposite Sydney. He knows exactly what he's doing when he says "humbug" to the memory of Jo Cox.
I think I’ve almost had enough now.
There are no words to convey scale of Johnson’s depravity or
the despicable sycophancy of his supine backbench enablers.
Some MPs almost in tears last night.
This is much bigger than Brexit. We are fighting for future of our country.
''boris johnson has suffered another Commons defeat. MPs have voted down the government motion for a mini recess next week during the Tory conference by 306 votes to 289 a majority of 17''
such a shame he works so hard at being boris
''boris johnson has suffered another Commons defeat. MPs have voted down the government motion for a mini recess next week during the Tory conference by 306 votes to 289 a majority of 17''
such a shame he works so hard at being boris
That will backfire on Labour mark my words..In one swoop they have galvanised the Tory grass roots for this upcoming election..Lets get it on asap so a proper Tory government can be elected with a good majority..None of you want to hear that but that's whats going to happen...
''boris johnson has suffered another Commons defeat. MPs have voted down the government motion for a mini recess next week during the Tory conference by 306 votes to 289 – a majority of 17''
such a shame he works so hard at being boris
That will backfire on Labour mark my words..In one swoop they have galvanised the Tory grass roots for this upcoming election..Lets get it on asap so a proper Tory government can be elected with a good majority..None of you want to hear that but that's whats going to happen...
That's ignoring the decent moderate people in those same grass roots who must have been cringing at Boris' behaviour yesterday.
''boris johnson has suffered another Commons defeat. MPs have voted down the government motion for a mini recess next week during the Tory conference by 306 votes to 289 – a majority of 17''
such a shame he works so hard at being boris
That will backfire on Labour mark my words..In one swoop they have galvanised the Tory grass roots for this upcoming election..Lets get it on asap so a proper Tory government can be elected with a good majority..None of you want to hear that but that's whats going to happen...
That's ignoring the decent moderate people in those same grass roots who must have been cringing at Boris' behaviour yesterday.
Cringe at boris, yes, more than cringe his attitude is shocking. I also dont much like the ramping up of this by the opposition, they know what they're doing. Claim hes endangering them but let's be honest they want that portrayal dont they? Its nasty on all sides and the country on the whole outside of political cliques is fed up of it.
I also fully agree with WC. It's at best ironic that those that are so pro democracy now say the Tories cant have a conference..... plays up further to the narrative. Dont claim the opposition is innocent it is not. They should have just left boris to make his own errors and have his conference.
we are already fighting , signing partitions , redistributing , crowdfunding the resistance .
The most cursory of arguments with Brexiters will throw up some massive, gaping hole in knowledge or some delusion about the EU:
it’s a scapegoat
this country now has the most and biggest pro European groups in the EU
( you won't see that in the Daily Mail )
Get in touch with Best for Doncaster
https://bestfordoncaster.uk/
#Yorkshire European
BritsfortheEU #FBPE
People's Vote UKVerified account @peoplesvote_uk
and we will win !
Best for Doncaster? You seem to forget that Donny voted 69% to leave. Your people are massively in the minority in this area.
I think you will find that that 69% of the Doncaster population did not vote leave.
More people in Doncaster did not vote leave ( in the criminal referendum ) than did
and then take away those that have changed their mind , and (looking at the demographics)
actually died off
change is coming
Response | Doncaster Votes |
Remain | 46,922 (31.02%) |
Leave | 104,260 (68.94%) |
So actually 48 ish per cent of those who could have voted voted to Leave |
There were thousands of youngsters at a certain pop concert who didn't even know there was a vote to go to.
And hands up anyone who had heard of Joe Cox before she was murdered.
That was the best day in the house of commons I have watched, and showed that those on the opposition benches are Ok dishing it out, but can't take it back without calling foul.
They should stop playing the sympathy card while throwing personal insults the other way. There was a gang of labour women MP's who brought Joe Cox up, they are pathetic.
And hands up anyone who had heard of Joe Cox before she was murdered.I'm sorry Selby but this is absolutely disgraceful.
''boris johnson has suffered another Commons defeat. MPs have voted down the government motion for a mini recess next week during the Tory conference by 306 votes to 289 – a majority of 17''
such a shame he works so hard at being boris
That will backfire on Labour mark my words..In one swoop they have galvanised the Tory grass roots for this upcoming election..Lets get it on asap so a proper Tory government can be elected with a good majority..None of you want to hear that but that's whats going to happen...
That's ignoring the decent moderate people in those same grass roots who must have been cringing at Boris' behaviour yesterday.
Cringe at boris, yes, more than cringe his attitude is shocking. I also dont much like the ramping up of this by the opposition, they know what they're doing. Claim hes endangering them but let's be honest they want that portrayal dont they? Its nasty on all sides and the country on the whole outside of political cliques is fed up of it.
I also fully agree with WC. It's at best ironic that those that are so pro democracy now say the Tories cant have a conference..... plays up further to the narrative. Dont claim the opposition is innocent it is not. They should have just left boris to make his own errors and have his conference.
There were thousands of youngsters at a certain pop concert who didn't even know there was a vote to go to.
And hands up anyone who had heard of Joe Cox before she was murdered.
That was the best day in the house of commons I have watched, and showed that those on the opposition benches are Ok dishing it out, but can't take it back without calling foul.
They should stop playing the sympathy card while throwing personal insults the other way. There was a gang of labour women MP's who brought Joe Cox up, they are pathetic.
There were thousands of youngsters at a certain pop concert who didn't even know there was a vote to go to.
And hands up anyone who had heard of Joe Cox before she was murdered.
That was the best day in the house of commons I have watched, and showed that those on the opposition benches are Ok dishing it out, but can't take it back without calling foul.
They should stop playing the sympathy card while throwing personal insults the other way. There was a gang of labour women MP's who brought Joe Cox up, they are pathetic.
That is just...beyond words.
What sort of world do you live in?
And hands up anyone who had heard of Joe Cox before she was murdered.
That was the best day in the house of commons I have watched,
There were thousands of youngsters at a certain pop concert who didn't even know there was a vote to go to.What a sociopathic post this is. Get help.
And hands up anyone who had heard of Joe Cox before she was murdered.
That was the best day in the house of commons I have watched, and showed that those on the opposition benches are Ok dishing it out, but can't take it back without calling foul.
They should stop playing the sympathy card while throwing personal insults the other way. There was a gang of labour women MP's who brought Joe Cox up, they are pathetic.
I see that shitheel Cummings is now saying the only way for MPs to stop getting death threats is to cave and vote with the government. Banana Republic stuff.
It's a ridiculous post. I fully detest the points scoring on any side from someone who died, its not clever. Who cares if she was heard of or not she should be still here doing her job, agree with her or not.....
I do not at all like that labour are using her death for political advantage not at all the point can be made without bringing that in to it and politically I do feel it harms labour.
But, the point is still bloody right, they should all have some respect for each other and he way some of them (eg johnson) act is disgraceful.
There were thousands of youngsters at a certain pop concert who didn't even know there was a vote to go to.
And hands up anyone who had heard of Joe Cox before she was murdered.
That was the best day in the house of commons I have watched, and showed that those on the opposition benches are Ok dishing it out, but can't take it back without calling foul.
They should stop playing the sympathy card while throwing personal insults the other way. There was a gang of labour women MP's who brought Joe Cox up, they are pathetic.
I wonder how many people on here have had serious death threats made against them, and know what it does to your life.
I think in less civilised and tollerent Countries there would have been the beginings of a Civil War by now, someone needs to get control of the mad man running our Country, sharpish!
I think in less civilised and tollerent Countries there would have been the beginings of a Civil War by now, someone needs to get control of the mad man running our Country, sharpish!
Trouble is opinions are so entrenched every move by either side is scoffed at ignored or similar by the other
So even if Johnson ignores the Benn Act those supporting Leave will see no problem with it because it is just what they ultimately want that has become the focus
.... and same in any and every issue the opposite way
The only thing we DONT know for sure is what a Referendum result held now would produce. What WOULD the current Will of the People actually be ? I have no idea
People are starting to think that Johnson has been talking to Orban to get him to reject the extension. In that way Johnson won't be breaking the law but we'll be leaving at the end of October.
Wilts.
You mean like this?
https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/politics/2019/01/24/calls-for-shrewsbury-mp-to-publish-brexit-letter-to-polish-government/
What the f**k is going on with the BBC.
Johnson stands accused of sexual assault and corruption.
This interviewer asks him two limp questions then stands there in silence as he spends THREE MINUTES ignoring the questions and reel off policy aspirations
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49877508
What the f**king hell is going on there?
I've gotta say you're right on that Hound, we need more interviewers to stand up to them and demand answers, this wishy washy crap doesn't help anyone.
I've gotta say you're right on that Hound, we need more interviewers to stand up to them and demand answers, this wishy washy crap doesn't help anyone.
It has been the same for years.
The problem is that politicians can speak for five minutes without stopping or drawing breath.
Interviewers sometimes try to cut in but the politician just keeps rattling on.
Eventually the allocated time for the slot draws to an end and the interviewer says something like, “ok, thanks for that, we are out of time so will have to leave it there.”
I've gotta say you're right on that Hound, we need more interviewers to stand up to them and demand answers, this wishy washy crap doesn't help anyone.
It has been the same for years.
The problem is that politicians can speak for five minutes without stopping or drawing breath.
Interviewers sometimes try to cut in but the politician just keeps rattling on.
Eventually the allocated time for the slot draws to an end and the interviewer says something like, “ok, thanks for that, we are out of time so will have to leave it there.”
Yeah Hound, but don't you know that regarding them as all the same is deemed on here to be "lazy thinking"?
Wow, this has to be a wind up
https://twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/1178589278311522304?s=19
Boris Johnson has rejected leaked claims overnight that the government has proposed "customs clearance zones" to tackle the Irish border issue.
LOL yes absolutely certain.
Politicians say one thing but do another in typical Politician style (same as I can remember for 50 years)
Whatever happens EU wise - I do not trust one word that Johnson says . He is a serial liar.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49890199QuoteBoris Johnson has rejected leaked claims overnight that the government has proposed "customs clearance zones" to tackle the Irish border issue.
So the Govt will have been planning to have customs clearance zones then.
The opposition need to get their act together and vote for no confidence in the Prime Minister; then he'll look even more of a t**t
Yeah. The LDs are showing their true colours aren't they?
Meatloaf politicians
They would do anything to stop No Deal, but they won't do that.
I've said for many years that the Lib Dems are a party of chancers and opportunists; and Jo Swinson is just a joke.
BFYP
When has Corbyn said that?
God knows I'm no fan of his, but to the best of my knowledge, he's said only that convention points to the Leader of the Opposition being the one to have first shot at forming a Govt in the event of a NC vote.
Swinson is the one playing silly f**kers there. Corbyn's being absolutely straight.
BFYP
When has Corbyn said that?
God knows I'm no fan of his, but to the best of my knowledge, he's said only that convention points to the Leader of the Opposition being the one to have first shot at forming a Govt in the event of a NC vote.
Swinson is the one playing silly f**kers there. Corbyn's being absolutely straight.
A simple article here in the guardian for one.....
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/30/opposition-parties-to-start-planning-for-national-unity-government
Or here from McDonnell...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/01/corbyn-caretaker-government-mcdonnell-labour
I'm pretty sure that backs up my point that all parties want it on their terms.....
Our Best Kept Village Idiot Of The Year strike Again!
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-nuclear-fusion-lab-eu-funding-brexit-conference-speech-tory-a9130381.html
Our Best Kept Village Idiot Of The Year strike Again!
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-nuclear-fusion-lab-eu-funding-brexit-conference-speech-tory-a9130381.html
Yes good point - I am still looking at what that sneaky t**t Johnson has up his sleeve
BFYP
He might, but if he did he'd be starting from an acceptance of what the EU has consistently set out as it's red lines over the past 3 years.
As far as I can see, this latest plan ignores most of the past 3 years of discussions.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49936352
So here's a three-pipe problem then.
There's no way of God's earth that the EU is going to cut us a deal based on Johnson's proposal.
Johnson has now told a court that he will write to the EU asking for a Brexit extension if there's no deal signed by 19 Oct.
But the Govt line is that we're still leaving on 31 Oct.
Anyone got better powers of logical deduction than me cos I'm floundering on this one now.
Filo, this was published Friday 13 September 2019, not saying it won't happen as janus johnson cannot be trusted.
Hungary's far-right government says it won’t veto Brexit extension as favour to Boris Johnson
oops incorrect link, now corrected
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hungary-brexit-boris-johnson-eu-extension-delay-orban-a9104566.html
And it's not only Johnson who's a stranger to truth and honesty.
https://mobile.twitter.com/GuitaristDom/status/1180037096972656641
I keep on asking here. Does anyone have any examples of the Left getting away with this sort of shite?
Just electioneering.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49950188
Every syllable that dribbles out of his lying mouth is just about the upcoming election. He's spinning the line that it's all about the devious cheating bas**rds in Brussels.
Who's got so little self-respect that they are actually prepared to swallow this?
Just electioneering.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49950188
Every syllable that dribbles out of his lying mouth is just about the upcoming election. He's spinning the line that it's all about the devious cheating bas**rds in Brussels.
Who's got so little self-respect that they are actually prepared to swallow this?
They should actually be concerned with the talk that the UK if still within the EU will cause trouble, that doesn't just massively affect our country but 27 others also.
the government is actually right that having no threat of no deal has given the EU no need to change their view.
Why do journalists keep using phrases like "A No10 source" when everyone knows it is "Egotistical maniac Dominic Cummings"?
This. Here. Just...so far beyond sanity. And he's running the Govt.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Peston/status/1181334406751035393
Interesting NNK.
But this.
https://mobile.twitter.com/stephen_latham/status/1181484954510860289
''I'll die in a ditch''
So are we expecting johnson a man of integrity, a man of his word our beloved PM to resign if the UK doesn't brexit on the due date?
What's the score, how many times has johnson won a vote as PM in parliament? how many times has he lost?He is trying to get Brexit done. Which is what the majority asked for. We had a referendum Sydney.
And despite all the bull and bluster:
''Boris Johnson confirms he will seek Brexit delay, says Brussels
Donald Tusk says he is ‘waiting for letter’ that PM promised in phone call after Commons vote''
Johnson has confirmed in a phone call with the European council president Donald Tusk that he is sending a letter requesting a further Brexit delay beyond 31 October.
Despite the prime minister’s insistence that he would not “negotiate” a further extension of the UK’s membership of the EU, he confirmed on Saturday evening that he would be seeking such an extension.
“Waiting for the letter,” Tusk tweeted. “I just talked to PM Boris Johnson about the situation after the vote in the House of Commons.”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/19/eu-will-grant-brexit-extension-if-johnson-sends-letter-says-brussels
So on the same day, within hours of saying he will not negotiate another extension he rings Mr Tusk and states the opposite.
Put your hands up if you would vote for this man or his party.
What's the score, how many times has johnson won a vote as PM in parliament? how many times has he lost?He is trying to get Brexit done. Which is what the majority asked for. We had a referendum Sydney.
And despite all the bull and bluster:
''Boris Johnson confirms he will seek Brexit delay, says Brussels
Donald Tusk says he is ‘waiting for letter’ that PM promised in phone call after Commons vote''
Johnson has confirmed in a phone call with the European council president Donald Tusk that he is sending a letter requesting a further Brexit delay beyond 31 October.
Despite the prime minister’s insistence that he would not “negotiate” a further extension of the UK’s membership of the EU, he confirmed on Saturday evening that he would be seeking such an extension.
“Waiting for the letter,” Tusk tweeted. “I just talked to PM Boris Johnson about the situation after the vote in the House of Commons.”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/19/eu-will-grant-brexit-extension-if-johnson-sends-letter-says-brussels
So on the same day, within hours of saying he will not negotiate another extension he rings Mr Tusk and states the opposite.
Put your hands up if you would vote for this man or his party.
Yes over 3 years ago and all you anti Brexit lot who won’t accept the result of a democratic vote are doing everything to stop it happening. You call that democracy do you?
Prefer Corbyn would you. God help us all if he was PM. We will be running to the IMF in a matter of months if he tries to do what he says he will do.
I voted remain Sydney and i was on the losing side. I have accepted we will be leaving.
Democracy must win why can’t you understand that.
The letter sent without a signature is contempt of Parliament at the very least
Who would have thought he would lie or rat on his promises ?You mean apart from the two wives he was unfaithful to and the lovechild he refuses to acknowledge?
Politicians lie and change their view often. Plenty familiar faces in here.
https://youtu.be/mHZFICg6EIE
Note it doesnt at all excuse Johnson et al. But let's be clear others are no better.
Politicians lie and change their view often. Plenty familiar faces in here.
https://youtu.be/mHZFICg6EIE
Note it doesnt at all excuse Johnson et al. But let's be clear others are no better.
Politicians lie and change their view often. Plenty familiar faces in here.
https://youtu.be/mHZFICg6EIE
Note it doesnt at all excuse Johnson et al. But let's be clear others are no better.
'Others are no better'?
If absolutely no-one is better than Boris Johnson we really are in the shit.
You only have to read my posts to realise I dislike the guy. But I also dont like the lack of balance. Dont pretend the other side are better they are not.I agree that you are not a johnson supporter but to claim other parties or politicians are the same as this conservative party or johnson is just plain wrong.
You only have to read my posts to realise I dislike the guy. But I also dont like the lack of balance. Dont pretend the other side are better they are not.
You only have to read my posts to realise I dislike the guy. But I also dont like the lack of balance. Dont pretend the other side are better they are not.
You would have thought by now that Johnson's handlers would have realised that its not a good idea for him to meet members of the public - especially if they work in the NHS
https://twitter.com/jonlis1/status/1189968488439386119
the booing is better in this one
https://twitter.com/skwawkbox/status/1189938035271577601
Johnson delivers a rousing message to England Rugby team ahead of the world cup final tomorrow. England rugby stars deliver a much shorter message back:he also said the same to corbyn
https://twitter.com/brianmoore666/status/1190381530138521601
Johnson delivers a rousing message to England Rugby team ahead of the world cup final tomorrow. England rugby stars deliver a much shorter message back:he also said the same to corbyn
https://twitter.com/brianmoore666/status/1190381530138521601
Well well well
https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1192402249135333376
Who'd have though it....................
Sheffield flooded yesterday, Doncaster and parts of South Yorkshire today, with warnings around Donny of serious dangers to life. Also flooding in Derbyshire, so today he visits Matlock, why, even the BBC is live from Donny. I am not comparing the damage done to various areas, but interesting that Boris visits a constituency with a 60% Tory vote, they won't let him near voters who may have a go at him.
This.
Sweet f**king Jesus.
This lying Kitson is the PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/davies_will/status/1192809049601040386
He will say ANYTHING to please a room. There's a NI businessman here looking for answers about post-Brexit trade and this f**king idiot goes into a pissed-up attempt at being a cross between Churchill and a w**k comedian.
Just to try to impress the room.
Are you HONESTLY going to vote to have him as PM for 5 years?
This.
Sweet f**king Jesus.
This lying Kitson is the PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/davies_will/status/1192809049601040386
He will say ANYTHING to please a room. There's a NI businessman here looking for answers about post-Brexit trade and this f**king idiot goes into a pissed-up attempt at being a cross between Churchill and a w**k comedian.
Just to try to impress the room.
Are you HONESTLY going to vote to have him as PM for 5 years?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-blunkett-labour-corbyn-antisemitism-party-column-a9196091.html?amp what a lovely party
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-blunkett-labour-corbyn-antisemitism-party-column-a9196091.html?amp what a lovely partyAnother reason why Labour won't get anywhere near a majority.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-blunkett-labour-corbyn-antisemitism-party-column-a9196091.html?amp what a lovely party
Blackpool,
I reckon you need to have some reliable data before agreeing with propaganda pieces from old enemies of Corbyn.
Here you go, some from a Jewish group;
https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/check-evidence/
Looks to me like the Tories have much more of a problem with anti-semitism, as well as Islamophobia.
Check out the view of John Bercow, that Corbyn is not a racist. Also Baroness Warsi, who continues to battle with her party to investigate anti muslim bias.most of the labour supporters on here quote the independent why is it not reliable?
Fascinating that some people cant tell the difference between the enemies of a political leader putting out smear stories in the press to give them negative coverage...
Blackpool,maybe so
Your Independent link is a recycled story from the Telegraph.
It is an opinion piece from a Corbyn opponent. It is an election stunt to distract from the policy debate.
It doesn't give any evidence, and does not address the data in the link I gave.
It does not look at the allegations of discrimination and racism in other parties, nor the incidence of both across society as a whole.
Here is a timeline of Corbyn supporting the Jewish community;
https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1193163297157197830
The article you posted contains no new information, and recycles old stories simply to discredit.
Blackpool,maybe so
Your Independent link is a recycled story from the Telegraph.
It is an opinion piece from a Corbyn opponent. It is an election stunt to distract from the policy debate.
It doesn't give any evidence, and does not address the data in the link I gave.
It does not look at the allegations of discrimination and racism in other parties, nor the incidence of both across society as a whole.
Here is a timeline of Corbyn supporting the Jewish community;
https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1193163297157197830
The article you posted contains no new information, and recycles old stories simply to discredit.
Albie it’s just like so many of Sydney’s links that he shares with us like the one from the sun but I didn’t see any labour voters on here questioning his link?
The Sun is only credible when it suits!
dePfeffel Johnson made two separate blunders during today’s Remembrance Sunday service at the Cenotaph in London. First Johnson – mind seemingly wandering , looking like he had had a fight with a Flymo– set off before his turn to place a wreath at the monument; then he placed it upside down in a show of ceremonial disrespect.
The Establishment broadcasters appear to have ignored Johnson’s actions entirely – in stark contrast to the blanket coverage that would have followed had it been Corbyn.
But a sharp-eyed SKWAWKBOX reader spotted that by this point Johnson had already shown disrespect to the memory of fallen servicemen and women.
During the silence at 11am, as other political leaders stood still in remembrance, Johnson’s eyes, head and attention were wandering all over the place
If Corbyn had done any one of the things Boris Johnson did today, the media would not stop repeating it for a week or more – every half hour at least.
But Boris Johnson’s indiscipline and disrespect has apparently prompted nothing but profound silence among broadcasters , and of
course the right wing press,
In fact , if you look at it
Boris Johnson visits North since
PM
-Stainforth: ‘I don’t want to meet you. What are you doing here?’
-Leeds: ‘Please leave my town’
-Doncaster: ‘You’ve a cheek coming here. People have died because of austerity’
-Rotherham: ‘Get back to Parliament and sort out the mess’
Looks a bit out of his comfort zone here
https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1194694105013608455
Stop and have a think.
What do you reckon his reaction was to this when he was safely out of the view of the cameras and the microphones?
What do you reckon he thinks of these people who have publicly told him what they think of him?
Bear in mind that he, the leader of the Party of Business, responded in private to concerns from business leaders about Brexit with "f**k business."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/8075e68c-7857-11e8-8e67-1e1a0846c475
That's how he responds to criticisms from people on his side.
What do you reckon he REALLY thinks about folk in Donny who have been flooded out of their homes?
So, while Johnson was being pressed hard by blunt but intelligent questions in Donny this week, the media in their obsession for "balance" dug around for whatever they could find as an equivalent for Corbyn.
And they found this.
https://mobile.twitter.com/skynews/status/1194595607073185793
Turns out yet man wasn't any old constituent. He is (or WAS until they kicked him out yesterday) a church minister with a track record of pouring out racist and homohobuc insults on social media..
https://www.thenational.scot/news/18037052.reverend-richard-cameron-no-longer-scotstoun-primary-chaplain/
But hey. Johnson was given a hard time so the media had to show someone slagging Corbyn too...
But it's not"balance" is it SS.
One is genuine people discussing things rationally. The other is a bigot shouting and rawping.
It's like climate change debates on the news. They always have 1 from each side. If it were balanced, they'd have 99 climate change researchers who DO think it's happening and 1 climate change denier. THAT would be balance because that is about the ratio of opinion among experts.
So, while Johnson was being pressed hard by blunt but intelligent questions in Donny this week, the media in their obsession for "balance" dug around for whatever they could find as an equivalent for Corbyn.
And they found this.
https://mobile.twitter.com/skynews/status/1194595607073185793
Turns out yet man wasn't any old constituent. He is (or WAS until they kicked him out yesterday) a church minister with a track record of pouring out racist and homohobuc insults on social media..
https://www.thenational.scot/news/18037052.reverend-richard-cameron-no-longer-scotstoun-primary-chaplain/
But hey. Johnson was given a hard time so the media had to show someone slagging Corbyn too...
It's what's known as balance BST. It's for people like me who aren't partisan and blinkered.
Well this is lovely int it?
This is how our PM made his name on the Right. Writing articles like this one.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-branded-children-single-20977406.amp
This is what he thinks of working class men.
"...likely to be drunk, criminal, aimless, feckless and hope- less, and perhaps claiming to suffer from low self-esteem brought on by unemployment."
"If he is white collar, he is likely to be little better."
And the Tories are going to win Northern working class seats. Enough to make you weep.
Well this is lovely int it?
This is how our PM made his name on the Right. Writing articles like this one.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-branded-children-single-20977406.amp
This is what he thinks of working class men.
"...likely to be drunk, criminal, aimless, feckless and hope- less, and perhaps claiming to suffer from low self-esteem brought on by unemployment."
"If he is white collar, he is likely to be little better."
And the Tories are going to win Northern working class seats. Enough to make you weep.
BST, as you know, I am not a big fan of Boris (I was going to put BJ but that wouldn’t be true) but that article quotes what he said in 1995.
Now then, you yourself have often said that people usually only read the headline and the first few lines of an article so I guess you are banking on people doing that here.
I am guessing that many people might have a different view of some things to what they did 24 years ago.
Hound.
He was already in his 30s then. He wasn't a precocious 12 year old. Do you have any evidence that he's changed his mind on these things?
Well this is lovely int it?
This is how our PM made his name on the Right. Writing articles like this one.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-branded-children-single-20977406.amp
This is what he thinks of working class men.
"...likely to be drunk, criminal, aimless, feckless and hope- less, and perhaps claiming to suffer from low self-esteem brought on by unemployment."
"If he is white collar, he is likely to be little better."
And the Tories are going to win Northern working class seats. Enough to make you weep.
BST, as you know, I am not a big fan of Boris (I was going to put BJ but that wouldn’t be true) but that article quotes what he said in 1995.
Now then, you yourself have often said that people usually only read the headline and the first few lines of an article so I guess you are banking on people doing that here.
I am guessing that many people might have a different view of some things to what they did 24 years ago.
But when Corbyn’s past is brought up, people are happy to use that as a stick to beat him with!
Hound.
He was already in his 30s then. He wasn't a precocious 12 year old. Do you have any evidence that he's changed his mind on these things?
No of course not, but then again I have no evidence that he hasn’t.
Well this is lovely int it?
This is how our PM made his name on the Right. Writing articles like this one.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-branded-children-single-20977406.amp
This is what he thinks of working class men.
"...likely to be drunk, criminal, aimless, feckless and hope- less, and perhaps claiming to suffer from low self-esteem brought on by unemployment."
"If he is white collar, he is likely to be little better."
And the Tories are going to win Northern working class seats. Enough to make you weep.
Well this is lovely int it?
This is how our PM made his name on the Right. Writing articles like this one.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-branded-children-single-20977406.amp
This is what he thinks of working class men.
"...likely to be drunk, criminal, aimless, feckless and hope- less, and perhaps claiming to suffer from low self-esteem brought on by unemployment."
"If he is white collar, he is likely to be little better."
And the Tories are going to win Northern working class seats. Enough to make you weep.
The clue is in that penultimate sentence BST. The Tories are not going to win Northern working class seats, the Labour Party are going to lose them; big difference there.
The Labour Party have only themselves to blame. They can't sneer at their own voters and then expect them to still vote for them.
Hound.
He was already in his 30s then. He wasn't a precocious 12 year old. Do you have any evidence that he's changed his mind on these things?
No of course not, but then again I have no evidence that he hasn’t.
You have plenty of evidence that he continues to write insulting and derogatory articles about plenty of groups.
He's called gays "bum boys". He's described Muslim women as looking like letterboxes. He's insulted the people of Liverpool over Hillsborough, saying they wallow in victimhood. He talked about cannibalism in Papua New Guinea. He described as "humbug" a speech from a female MP who described abuse and death threats.
How much do you need?
Point of fact.
The Green Party's CO-Leader, not Deputy took part.
Michael Gove in his perpetually coked-up state doesn't seem to remember that he twice stood for the Tory leadership and lost.
But to be serious, the Tories knew exactly what they were doing last night. Intimidating a national broadcaster. Just imagine the uproar if Corbyn had threatened to revoke the BBC's licence because if his mauling by Neil.
But Gove was happy with his night's work. So happy, he appeared to be pleasuring himself.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Hannah_RM/status/1200115214236213248
Bizarre body language.
Hound.
He was already in his 30s then. He wasn't a precocious 12 year old. Do you have any evidence that he's changed his mind on these things?
No of course not, but then again I have no evidence that he hasn’t.
You have plenty of evidence that he continues to write insulting and derogatory articles about plenty of groups.
He's called gays "bum boys". He's described Muslim women as looking like letterboxes. He's insulted the people of Liverpool over Hillsborough, saying they wallow in victimhood. He talked about cannibalism in Papua New Guinea. He described as "humbug" a speech from a female MP who described abuse and death threats.
How much do you need?
What did he have to say about Canabalism in Papua New Guinea?
Some of you guys want people like this in.
https://twitter.com/SouthActonGirl/status/1200361519097303040?s=19
Some of you guys want people like this in.
https://twitter.com/SouthActonGirl/status/1200361519097303040?s=19
The contempt for the working class is there for all to see
What 100 Tory Special Advisers were terrified might happen … just happened.
Forgetting he was being filmed, Boris Johnson caught begging Nick Ferrari, LBC ,
to get off the subject of Social Care, as he was dying on his @rse.
This is another #GE2019 pivotal moment, savour it.
DOI think it's called Stockholm Syndrome isn't it?
Well, apparently there's thousands of working class folk round here who do appear to love him. It's truly bizarre. Wilfully giving power to someone who utterly despises you.
What 100 Tory Special Advisers were terrified might happen … just happened.
Forgetting he was being filmed, Boris Johnson caught begging Nick Ferrari, LBC ,
to get off the subject of Social Care, as he was dying on his @rse.
This is another #GE2019 pivotal moment, savour it.
I reckon getting him on Andrew Neil will just about finish him off
Look at him when an awkward question gets put to him, frantically looking over to his spin doctor for help. He’s not going to do that interview is he?Nope, he reminds me of Vicky Pollard off Little Britain, yeahbut,no but,don't worry in less than 12 days secret Agent Jezza and Dianne will have accomplished their mission and a Tory majority Government will be in Power!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-50620692/election-2019-boris-johnson-pressed-over-andrew-neil-interview
I was out for a family meal on Saturday and two of the attendees were a former senior figure in the Met. Police and his wife. We loosely touched on politics and Mrs Plod said “I love Boris I think he’s really funny”. I replied “if that’s the criteria for running the country Peter Kaye should be in the job” (I don’t even think he’s funny but we were in Bolton!!) Anyway.... what hope have we got when people think like that.
I was out for a family meal on Saturday and two of the attendees were a former senior figure in the Met. Police and his wife. We loosely touched on politics and Mrs Plod said “I love Boris I think he’s really funny”. I replied “if that’s the criteria for running the country Peter Kaye should be in the job” (I don’t even think he’s funny but we were in Bolton!!) Anyway.... what hope have we got when people think like that.
Aye. Two of Mrs Toes' best women friends both love Johnson because he's charming and has a cheeky grin and will vote for him.
She tries to educate them but they're not interested in politics.
That's what we're up against.
Peter Oborne, former chief political commentator of The Daily Telegraph and a proper old school Tory is chronicling BJ's lies:
https://boris-johnson-lies.com/
Worth a read. A serious, fact-checked Tory journalist calling out an unserious, lie-based Tory journalist.
Donnywolf frankly I'm amazed that your amazed.it's been obvious for sometime,that Corbyn isn't liked by the British people,if Labour would have had a different leader we wouldn't even be talking about Bj.The only people he appeals to is the under 24's,the far left and the membership and that isn't even going to get close to making him pm...
Yes and no sproty.Yes but they are the main opposition party and they have some very good people on board,Caroline Flint. Dan Jarvis are 2 local ones that instantly spring to mind,there just seems to be several fringe groups which have now got a great deal of power and they are all pulling in different directions to different Agendas. 20 years ago you would never have dreamt that the Labour Party would have problems with Diversity!
I agree that Labour should have had a more electable leader, however the constant drip drip of negative info from the overwhelming majority of the media is bound to have an effect and any other Labour leader would have had the same thrown at him or her.
Carolin Flint!??? CAROLINE f**kING FLINT!!!!!!!!!!???????????
This is how to do it.
If Johnson won't attend an interview with Neil, run the interview questions without him.
This needs to be seen by everyone.
https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1202670854410297344
This is how to do it.
If Johnson won't attend an interview with Neil, run the interview questions without him.
This needs to be seen by everyone.
https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1202670854410297344
Quite right. Anyone who’s tempted to vote for Boris should watch this. Devastating.
Donnywolf frankly I'm amazed that your amazed.it's been obvious for sometime,that Corbyn isn't liked by the British people,if Labour would have had a different leader we wouldn't even be talking about Bj.The only people he appeals to is the under 24's,the far left and the membership and that isn't even going to get close to making him pm...
Even Johnson's not that batshit. It's a subtitling mistake by C4. He said "people of talent". C4 have apologised.
I’ve listened to 3 times this morning before the storm blew up and made it a matter of opinion, I heard “colour” clearly, and “talent” would not have made sense in that sentence about restricting immigration anyway, look at the context!
It sounded like 'colour' to me, butut hard to check now that Channel 4 have taken it down. Couldn't they have just said 'there's disagreement about what he's saying - make your own mind up?'
He lied just a few minutes earlier when he said Labour would put Corporation Tax up to the highest level in Europe.
A lie. Pure and simple. A lie.
What future is there in our politics if we reward incessant and deliberate liars?
You've probably touched on the possible silver lining to all this BFYP.He lied just a few minutes earlier when he said Labour would put Corporation Tax up to the highest level in Europe.
A lie. Pure and simple. A lie.
What future is there in our politics if we reward incessant and deliberate liars?
I disagree here, I see it almost as his take on labour, it's similar to labour saying the nhs will be sold etc, the other parties may say it but they dont believe it and use it anyway.
I will say I find it frustrating though, he use of lies in the election is ridiculous. But, if he tories hey their majority they have to get it right this time or next election they are doomed.
Watched the debate last night and thought Boris was better than previously, but still pretty weak on detail a few times. His lines on Corbyn as a poor leader were excellent for him and that is largely I feel why they will win. If it was not Corbyn on the other side I'd fancy their chances to beat Boris.
He lied just a few minutes earlier when he said Labour would put Corporation Tax up to the highest level in Europe.
A lie. Pure and simple. A lie.
What future is there in our politics if we reward incessant and deliberate liars?
I disagree here, I see it almost as his take on labour, it's similar to labour saying the nhs will be sold etc, the other parties may say it but they dont believe it and use it anyway.
I will say I find it frustrating though, he use of lies in the election is ridiculous. But, if he tories hey their majority they have to get it right this time or next election they are doomed.
Watched the debate last night and thought Boris was better than previously, but still pretty weak on detail a few times. His lines on Corbyn as a poor leader were excellent for him and that is largely I feel why they will win. If it was not Corbyn on the other side I'd fancy their chances to beat Boris.
If you don't want an end to Austerity, london centric politics and spending, homelessness, working poor, zero hours contracts, a fairer distribution of wealth you may be right bigH labour has poor leaders.Sydney, those are noble aims, which, funnily enough, I support.
Couldn't agree more Big H.Thought Boris won that debate.
I thought Corbyn was calm and on top of the detail. In normal times, that would be enough to win hands down. But these aren't normal times.
I said to my wife while we were watching last night, this is Corbyn's chance slipping away. As you say, he needed to land some big punches on Johnson's lying and general untrustworthiness and I don't think he did that. If he had, experience suggests that Johnson either flounders or gets angry and bullies. That was the side of Johnson that Corbyn needed to expose last night and he didn't do it.
If I'd have been in Corbyn's shoes, I'd have said at the start that every time Johnson lied, I was going to put my hand up and unfurl another finger to keep the running score. Simple, effective, memorable and it would have infuriated Johnson.
Couldn't agree more Big H.I PMSL at Boris "leaders who lied should be made to crawl on hand and knee through the chamber flaggilating themselves with their......bundle of made up Documents about the supposed sell off of the NHS!"
I thought Corbyn was calm and on top of the detail. In normal times, that would be enough to win hands down. But these aren't normal times.
I said to my wife while we were watching last night, this is Corbyn's chance slipping away. As you say, he needed to land some big punches on Johnson's lying and general untrustworthiness and I don't think he did that. If he had, experience suggests that Johnson either flounders or gets angry and bullies. That was the side of Johnson that Corbyn needed to expose last night and he didn't do it.
If I'd have been in Corbyn's shoes, I'd have said at the start that every time Johnson lied, I was going to put my hand up and unfurl another finger to keep the running score. Simple, effective, memorable and it would have infuriated Johnson.
Sproty.BST do you seriously think Corbyn is capable of running our economy without unparalleled levels of debt for this country. We will be paying for them for decades. It will make the present levels of poverty in the Uk look like a Royal tea party.
That in itself was an untruth. Those documents aren't made up.
But hey! There you go. You want a PM who makes you piss yourself while he lies to you, you've got it. I'm sure you're proud of yourself.
If you don't want an end to Austerity, london centric politics and spending, homelessness, working poor, zero hours contracts, a fairer distribution of wealth you may be right bigH labour has poor leaders.Sydney, those are noble aims, which, funnily enough, I support.
But noble aims are worthless if you don't have the wherewithal to deliver them; in this case overwhelming support of the electorate and the charisma and leadership qualities to pull it off. It's a shame that it looks like it'll take a second General Election failure for Corbyn and his clique to get the message.
Why Corbyn didn't get ruthless and berate Johnson last night for his incompetence, his untrustworthiness, his lies and his cowardice I'll never quite know...
BST and the Blair, Brown governments helped the economy didn’t they. NOT.
They were moderate labour politicians. Centre left. but they still messed up.
Yes the Banks were mainly responsible for the crash but it happened under Labours watch didn’t it. What did they do about stopping it happening in the first place. Nothing.
And you want a hard left wing government who will imo destroy our economy.
Short term gain maybe with all the spending but it will end in long term massive pain for the whole of this country and it’s citizens.
BST and the Blair, Brown governments helped the economy didn’t they. NOT.
They were moderate labour politicians. Centre left. but they still messed up.
Yes the Banks were mainly responsible for the crash but it happened under Labours watch didn’t it. What did they do about stopping it happening in the first place. Nothing.
And you want a hard left wing government who will imo destroy our economy.
Short term gain maybe with all the spending but it will end in long term massive pain for the whole of this country and it’s citizens.
Attlee used the UK's Marshal plan money which was far greater than that given to Germany. He didn't have to Pawn the country to achieve his goals.BST and the Blair, Brown governments helped the economy didn’t they. NOT.
They were moderate labour politicians. Centre left. but they still messed up.
Yes the Banks were mainly responsible for the crash but it happened under Labours watch didn’t it. What did they do about stopping it happening in the first place. Nothing.
And you want a hard left wing government who will imo destroy our economy.
Short term gain maybe with all the spending but it will end in long term massive pain for the whole of this country and it’s citizens.
Labour plans are not even as radical as Atlee in 1945. Did that destroy the economy and they had war damage to cope with?
No it led to a National Health Service, decent old age pensions, affordable utilities for the country, massive house building programme and the following Tory government continuing their policies saying the country had never had it so good!
What will hurt the economy is NOT carrying out Labour's policies. It was the Tory manifesto the IFS said wasn't credible. Then there is the hit the economic hit from Brexit, a flashpoint in Northern Ireland and the environmental damage shown by the FOE report today and prepare to be exploited.
'Spafman' - I like that .I used to blame Thatcher...until Donnygate!
Hard to believe that people in Doncaster are even thinking about voting for it.
After what Thatcher did to Donny as well. !!!
There's an example of good old Labour in action:'Spafman' - I like that .I used to blame Thatcher...until Donnygate!
Hard to believe that people in Doncaster are even thinking about voting for it.
After what Thatcher did to Donny as well. !!!
Couldn't agree more Big H.I PMSL at Boris "leaders who lied should be made to crawl on hand and knee through the chamber flaggilating themselves with their......bundle of made up Documents about the supposed sell off of the NHS!"
I thought Corbyn was calm and on top of the detail. In normal times, that would be enough to win hands down. But these aren't normal times.
I said to my wife while we were watching last night, this is Corbyn's chance slipping away. As you say, he needed to land some big punches on Johnson's lying and general untrustworthiness and I don't think he did that. If he had, experience suggests that Johnson either flounders or gets angry and bullies. That was the side of Johnson that Corbyn needed to expose last night and he didn't do it.
If I'd have been in Corbyn's shoes, I'd have said at the start that every time Johnson lied, I was going to put my hand up and unfurl another finger to keep the running score. Simple, effective, memorable and it would have infuriated Johnson.
Abosloutly brilliant ! Corbyn pulled that face on Billy avatar caricature absolutely destroyed Corbyn😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
What do yo mean "staged"?
He's been asked a question by a reporter. The reporter has asked him to look at a photo of a child with suspected pneumonia, laid on the floor of A&E because there weren't any beds. Johnson has initially refused to look at the photo and, for some bizarre reason, pocketed the reporter's phone.
Which bit of that do you think is "staged"?
Yeah and if you dont think that's staged then I dispair
Piss poor doesn't cover it, country of 60 odd million and these 2 cretins are the choice we come up with
Exactly DW, which is why I'll probably vote tory despite Boris not because of him. He is in a job that is far above his intellect. I read labour may be happy to lose this election, I do not buy in to that. Granted I expect Boris to balls it up if he wins, but itll be before his term is up and he will be replaced.
Exactly DW, which is why I'll probably vote tory despite Boris not because of him. He is in a job that is far above his intellect. I read labour may be happy to lose this election, I do not buy in to that. Granted I expect Boris to balls it up if he wins, but itll be before his term is up and he will be replaced.
Have you ever voted labour or other than tory bfyp?
Exactly DW, which is why I'll probably vote tory despite Boris not because of him. He is in a job that is far above his intellect. I read labour may be happy to lose this election, I do not buy in to that. Granted I expect Boris to balls it up if he wins, but itll be before his term is up and he will be replaced.
Have you ever voted labour or other than tory bfyp?
Yes on both counts, though not in a general election, given my age I havent had much opportunity....
HA that's what i hear living up here too which is why i have been so vocal on the Corbyn effect. Outside the hardcore labour bubble he is incredibly unpopular which has allowed populist policies to attract voters
HA.
I don't know if you heard those interviews on R4 this morning.
Nick Robinson (ex-head of the Oxford University Conservative Association) went to Sunderland with Johnson yesterday. On the Today programme this morning, they played three interviews he did, all with apparently random people on the street. All three were lifelong Labour voters who now say they are voting for Johnson. Robinson then ran a story around this of how the working class in the North is leaving Labour in droves.
Now. Forgive me for this cynicism, but that's a bit odd.
See, there are three constituencies in Sunderland. According to the bookies, the longest price you can get on Labour for any of the seats is 1/9.
And yet Robinson somehow, entirely against the odds, interviewed three random strangers and all three fitted in with his story.
Grow up children! Your very own puppet faced sausage roll legged Rebecca
Long Bailey has just been caught lying when she reminisced about her Dad a dock worker coming. Home from the docks worrying about redundancies...NOT BAD FOR SOMEONE UnDER 2 AND IN NAPPIES.
You got problems with reality, you spend 12 months slagging Corbyn off on this forum then the election pops up and the'Worm' turns,suddenly he isGrow up children! Your very own puppet faced sausage roll legged Rebecca
Long Bailey has just been caught lying when she reminisced about her Dad a dock worker coming. Home from the docks worrying about redundancies...NOT BAD FOR SOMEONE UnDER 2 AND IN NAPPIES.
You had problems relating to women in your life Sproty?
Johnson & his latest squeeze on the island of Mustique are staying at a villa that costs £40,000/wk
It has 4 swimming pools and an infinity pool.
Knowing this will no doubt bring joy to the hearts of his forelock tuggers in Donny & the right wing.fogeys in the home counties.
Business will benefit by the boost most people will spent every penny.
So true Glyn, unfortunatelyThe Govt can offset that by using the extra revenue generated by Tarriffs, there is only one looser in a Tarriff trade was that is the side with more to loose and that ain't us!.
So true Glyn, unfortunatelyThe Govt can offset that by using the extra revenue generated by Tarriffs, there is only one looser in a Tarriff trade was that is the side with more to loose and that ain't us!.
Sproty.
You don't seem to grasp who pays tarrifs.
It's not the seller. It's the buyer...
So true Glyn, unfortunatelyThe Govt can offset that by using the extra revenue generated by Tarriffs, there is only one looser in a Tarriff trade was that is the side with more to loose and that ain't us!.
So true Glyn, unfortunatelyThe Govt can offset that by using the extra revenue generated by Tarriffs, there is only one looser in a Tarriff trade was that is the side with more to loose and that ain't us!.
Oh do enlighten us exactly how they'll offset the price rises. I love a good fairy story.
So we un cheaper meat from Australia and NZ like we did in the 70's and we buy our our products rather than theirs!
On reading your post Glynn I went on line and found thisSo we un cheaper meat from Australia and NZ like we did in the 70's and we buy our our products rather than theirs!
And how, exactly, is that an example of the government offsetting anything?
Apart from the obvious answer that it's nothing of the kind.
PS Do you seriously think Australia and New Zealand are still as stuck in the 1970s as you are?
PPS I've just looked up Australian beef prices. The 'cheap meat' seems to be a myth. Twenty years ago it was cheap - an average wholesale price of about £1.20 a kilo. Now it's about £4.60 a kilo. That's without transport costs, importing costs and everybody inbetween adding on their slice of profit on top.
On reading your post Glynn I went on line and found thisSo we un cheaper meat from Australia and NZ like we did in the 70's and we buy our our products rather than theirs!
And how, exactly, is that an example of the government offsetting anything?
Apart from the obvious answer that it's nothing of the kind.
PS Do you seriously think Australia and New Zealand are still as stuck in the 1970s as you are?
PPS I've just looked up Australian beef prices. The 'cheap meat' seems to be a myth. Twenty years ago it was cheap - an average wholesale price of about £1.20 a kilo. Now it's about £4.60 a kilo. That's without transport costs, importing costs and everybody inbetween adding on their slice of profit on top.
from The Irish Times
What is the new South American beef deal that will affect Ireland?
Mercosur deal has been accused for ‘selling out’ Irish farmers
Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 13:20 Updated: Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 17:38
Basically the Eu is attempting to buy beef from the Mercosur Nations, Brazil,Paraguay,Uruguay etc. This has cause concern in Eire where they will have to compete with Beef which is 50% cheaper per KG than Irish beef...
Thank you and goodnight!
How will this cheap import of agricultural goods affect Northern Ireland Sproty?
An area of the UK which is extremely rural and is known to be quite 'volatile' if it believes the UK is treating it unfairly.
Cheers Glynn, cheeky Journos eh!How will this cheap import of agricultural goods affect Northern Ireland Sproty?
An area of the UK which is extremely rural and is known to be quite 'volatile' if it believes the UK is treating it unfairly.
Just to put this into some sort of context and not in the sensationalisation of a journalist who seems to know as little about this as sproty, Eire exports 270,000 tonnes of beef to the UK. This deal will only allow in a total quota of beef from the whole of Mercosur of 99,000 tonnes. And that will be at a Customs Tariff of 7.5% (before any CAP implications) - which the Irish Times seems to have forgotten to mention.
Cheers Glynn, cheeky Journos eh!How will this cheap import of agricultural goods affect Northern Ireland Sproty?
An area of the UK which is extremely rural and is known to be quite 'volatile' if it believes the UK is treating it unfairly.
Just to put this into some sort of context and not in the sensationalisation of a journalist who seems to know as little about this as sproty, Eire exports 270,000 tonnes of beef to the UK. This deal will only allow in a total quota of beef from the whole of Mercosur of 99,000 tonnes. And that will be at a Customs Tariff of 7.5% (before any CAP implications) - which the Irish Times seems to have forgotten to mention.
How will this cheap import of agricultural goods affect Northern Ireland Sproty?
An area of the UK which is extremely rural and is known to be quite 'volatile' if it believes the UK is treating it unfairly.
Just to put this into some sort of context and not in the sensationalisation of a journalist who seems to know as little about this as sproty, Eire exports 270,000 tonnes of beef to the UK. This deal will only allow in a total quota of beef from the whole of Mercosur of 99,000 tonnes. And that will be at a Customs Tariff of 7.5% (before any CAP implications) - which the Irish Times seems to have forgotten to mention.
Didn't take long did it?
The prime minister claimed there would be no checks on goods going from NI to GB and only minimal checks on goods going the other way under his plan for a post-Brexit alternative to the backstop. He said:
Be in no doubt. We are the government of the United Kingdom. I cannot see any circumstances whatever in which they will be any need for checks on goods going from Northern Ireland to GB. The only circumstances in which you could imagine the need for checks coming from GB to NI, as I’ve explained before, is if those goods were going on into Ireland and we had not secured, which I hope and I’m confident we will, a zero tariff, zero quota agreement with our friends and partners in the EU.
And, furthermore, I would remind you that the arrangements that we have put in place under the Northern Ireland protocol automatically evaporate after four years unless the assembly of Northern, the government of Northern Ireland, decides that they want to protract them.
So there are plenty of protections for Northern Irish business, farmers and others.
This is untrue.
As John Campbell, BBC Northern Ireland’s business and economics editor points out, Johnson is wrong to say that a zero tariff free trade deal would obviate the need for checks on goods going from Britain to Northern Ireland under his plan, which would effectively put a customs barrier down the Irish Sea.
Following in his idol's footsteps
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-news-journalists-walk-out-no-10-briefing-a9314996.html?fbclid=IwAR2BG45yQ1wudSEAGMlCuFRNMT6BLNKuEe91RLsr75S82NbH3lFkoWbuDbg
Following in his idol's footsteps
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-news-journalists-walk-out-no-10-briefing-a9314996.html?fbclid=IwAR2BG45yQ1wudSEAGMlCuFRNMT6BLNKuEe91RLsr75S82NbH3lFkoWbuDbg
Following in his idol's footsteps
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-news-journalists-walk-out-no-10-briefing-a9314996.html?fbclid=IwAR2BG45yQ1wudSEAGMlCuFRNMT6BLNKuEe91RLsr75S82NbH3lFkoWbuDbg
2016, really Foxbat???
2016, really Foxbat???
Well put Ldr.
That doesnt count anymore,it was the year in which the easily led,blind,pensioners,Daily Mail/Sun readers and racists all had there say.
Which one were you?
2016, really Foxbat???
Well put Ldr.
That doesnt count anymore,it was the year in which the easily led,blind,pensioners,Daily Mail/Sun readers and racists all had there say.
Which one were you?
If all you have left is the need to pigeon hole people that dont agree with you I pity you
Did Carrie give johnson a black eye?
https://order-order.com/2020/02/26/carrie-gave-boris-black-eye-rumour/
https://twitter.com/PadraigBelton/status/1232389199267061763
There is something very odd going on. Johnson wasn't seen in public for 11 days straddling New Year. He didn't make an appearance on Brexit Day. Now he's not been seen in public for 9 days up to this Monday just gone.How prescient...
It's odd for any politician to be out of the spotlight so much. For one who thrives on his media image, it's very strange.
And the photo of him when he DID emerge this Monday looks like he's been on a week-long bender.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51691434
Will that be 7 kids by three women?
The Daily Mail thrives on stories like this about Fathers abandonung their kids
I reckon the lad was self isolating in Mustique, to prevent him causing further disasters as PM.
Progress report on his achievements here;
https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1233723196618219520/photo/1
Not a lot of coverage of the carnage in there.
Rumour is he was out of the public eye because his partner had given him a prize shiner....not a good look on the media circus.
Should people visit their mothers for mothers’ day PM is asked.
Johnson fumbles, mumbles and says “follow advice, think about it” then smirks and hints he’d visit his own elderly mother.
Ffs. The answer is “NO.”
Move aside and let the grown-ups next to you answer the Qs you clown.
Got to disagree about boris I think he has come across very well in difficult times, far better in fact than I thought he would, yes he has made a couple of mistakes but throughout this so far he has come across pretty well
He is going to need help from the experts of course but the thing that matters is what he delivers and at the minute he is doing a pretty good job do you not think?
Do you think the chief science office and the chief medial officer are doing a good job Glynn?
I would think they stopped testing until they could get more tests as didn’t have enough
I know Johnson is a great admirer of Churchill but he may want to reflect on the 1945 GE when Labour won a landslide victory with a majority of 83 and 48% of the vote .
Churchill's war time leadership clearly meant nothing even after 6 years of horrific war and desperate times .
Maybe all that war time socialism struck a chord with the nation .
Food for thought maybe .
I know Johnson is a great admirer of Churchill but he may want to reflect on the 1945 GE when Labour won a landslide victory with a majority of 83 and 48% of the vote .
Churchill's war time leadership clearly meant nothing even after 6 years of horrific war and desperate times .
Maybe all that war time socialism struck a chord with the nation .
Food for thought maybe .
Labour had a majority of 145 in 1945.
He should have done the daily news conference today, in times of crisis we need to hear from our leader, but I guess he doesn’t work weekends
He is going to need help from the experts of course but the thing that matters is what he delivers and at the minute he is doing a pretty good job do you not think?
Johnson was n’t even at the daily briefing yesterday, the Country is facing a National crisis and he was n’t there leading, for me that is a gross dereliction of duty!
Johnson was n’t even at the daily briefing yesterday, the Country is facing a National crisis and he was n’t there leading, for me that is a gross dereliction of duty!
Apparently some people think he's 'doing a pretty good job'.
Johnson was n’t even at the daily briefing yesterday, the Country is facing a National crisis and he was n’t there leading, for me that is a gross dereliction of duty!
Apparently some people think he's 'doing a pretty good job'.
This thing is bigger than Politics, I’d be saying the same if it were a Labour PM, people feel the need to justify how they voted rather than face the real issues
Johnson was n’t even at the daily briefing yesterday, the Country is facing a National crisis and he was n’t there leading, for me that is a gross dereliction of duty!what was he doing instead?
bpoolrover, you're wasting your time mate. Best to put them who want to politicise such a critical situation as this in isolation.
What do you mean it appears he wasn't taking expert action and judging policy on that? 'it appears' isn't fact is it? That's just your opinion.
BST. Just supposing I believed in your faith in the way things were going in the right direction the other week. After all, why shouldn't I have? Because it was you saying it, I believed it to be fact. It wasn't a fact, was it? It was your opinion of the situation at that moment in time, just like it was the experts, and Boris's.
The article BST refers to in The Times might be behind a paywall, so here is a relevant snippet;
https://twitter.com/benphillips76/status/1241645514237644801/photo/1
It does not inspire confidence in the decision making process for me.
I can't understand Johnson the way he has gone about anything with advisers and medical experts.
All he has to do is read the experts like Filo, Glynn, Syd, and Billy, on here and he could solve every problem about Brexit and corona virus for free, and get rid of all those so called experts around him and appoint real experts in everything.
I can't understand Johnson the way he has gone about anything with advisers and medical experts.
All he has to do is read the experts like Filo, Glynn, Syd, and Billy, on here and he could solve every problem about Brexit and corona virus for free, and get rid of all those so called experts around him and appoint real experts in everything.
This is what worries me about Johnson.
"Dignity still matters in public office, and Johnson will never have it. Yet his graver vice is cowardice, reflected in a willingness to tell any audience, whatever he thinks most likely to please, heedless of the inevitability of its contradiction an hour later.
"Like many showy personalities, he is of weak character. I recently suggested to a radio audience that he supposes himself to be Winston Churchill, while in reality being closer to Alan Partridge. Churchill, for all his wit, was a profoundly serious human being. Far from perceiving anything glorious about standing alone in 1940, he knew that all difficult issues must be addressed with allies and partners."
That's what his ex-boss and arch-Tory Max Hastings said about him.
Think about how he's behaved in press briefings. Refusing to legislate for legally-enfirced lockdown (because it will not be popular). Repeatedly undermining the expert medical advice on distancing by bragging about shaking hands on a C-19 ward, or having the family round for Mother's Day (because it's showy "look at how unconcerned I am" stuff).
He's currently behaving exactly as he's behaved throughout his career. And his ex-boss told us he would, because that is who he is.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britain
(And yes, before anyone starts, it IS in the Guardian. Bu it is written by the man who was the Editor of The Telegraph.)
if it’s not about politics why the constant bashing of Johnson and the tories? He is getting advised by experts why not leave him to it? This is not particularly aimed at you but many on this threadI can't understand Johnson the way he has gone about anything with advisers and medical experts.
All he has to do is read the experts like Filo, Glynn, Syd, and Billy, on here and he could solve every problem about Brexit and corona virus for free, and get rid of all those so called experts around him and appoint real experts in everything.
Wind yer neck in, take this shit seriously for a change instead of trying to point score all the time, we know how you voted, you know how we voted, but this shit is bigger than Politics, it’s time you acted your age!
A real threat is the Prison population 88 k, on Saturday 14 Prisons in Columbia rioted heaven forbid that happening here.
Maybe he would get less stick if he had acted on the experts advise earlier though.if it’s not about politics why the constant bashing of Johnson and the tories? He is getting advised by experts why not leave him to it? This is not particularly aimed at you but many on this threadI can't understand Johnson the way he has gone about anything with advisers and medical experts.
All he has to do is read the experts like Filo, Glynn, Syd, and Billy, on here and he could solve every problem about Brexit and corona virus for free, and get rid of all those so called experts around him and appoint real experts in everything.
Wind yer neck in, take this shit seriously for a change instead of trying to point score all the time, we know how you voted, you know how we voted, but this shit is bigger than Politics, it’s time you acted your age!
Germany seem to be pretty on par with us on restriction are they getting the same advice?
Germany seem to be pretty on par with us on restriction are they getting the same advice?
Did he not? I mean the British experts that stand by him during interviews? Has he done things at the right or wrong time? We don’t no yet so why not wait and see before criticising him
Did he not? I mean the British experts that stand by him during interviews? Has he done things at the right or wrong time? We don’t no yet so why not wait and see before criticising him
Is this long enough bp?
Doctors threaten to quit NHS over shortage of protective kit
Call for NHS recruits to tackle Covid-19 undermined by lack of essential supplies
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/24/doctors-threaten-to-quit-over-protective-equipment-shortage
. It’s obviously wrong there is not enough equipment but to blame boris is ridiculous it should have been in place already he has only been in the job a short timeDid he not? I mean the British experts that stand by him during interviews? Has he done things at the right or wrong time? We don’t no yet so why not wait and see before criticising him
Is this long enough bp?
Doctors threaten to quit NHS over shortage of protective kit
Call for NHS recruits to tackle Covid-19 undermined by lack of essential supplies
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/24/doctors-threaten-to-quit-over-protective-equipment-shortage
. It’s obviously wrong there is not enough equipment but to blame boris is ridiculous it should have been in place already he has only been in the job a short timeDid he not? I mean the British experts that stand by him during interviews? Has he done things at the right or wrong time? We don’t no yet so why not wait and see before criticising him
Is this long enough bp?
Doctors threaten to quit NHS over shortage of protective kit
Call for NHS recruits to tackle Covid-19 undermined by lack of essential supplies
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/24/doctors-threaten-to-quit-over-protective-equipment-shortage
. It’s obviously wrong there is not enough equipment but to blame boris is ridiculous it should have been in place already he has only been in the job a short timeDid he not? I mean the British experts that stand by him during interviews? Has he done things at the right or wrong time? We don’t no yet so why not wait and see before criticising him
Is this long enough bp?
Doctors threaten to quit NHS over shortage of protective kit
Call for NHS recruits to tackle Covid-19 undermined by lack of essential supplies
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/24/doctors-threaten-to-quit-over-protective-equipment-shortage
Bpool.
It is not either/or. It is both
1) Back in 2016, a Govt scenario planning event for a pandemic identified that lack of ventilators machines was a key problem. We had 5000. We needed 100,000+. In the four years since, precisely nothing was done about that. THAT is the long term failing.
2) But THIS Govt knew that back in January, when they were being told of the potential threat of CV-19. They did NOTHING about it all through February. They did nothing in securing PPE for NHS staff. Or securing more testing kits.
What you are saying is, if your car is about to hit the wall, you're not going to blame the driver who hit the brakes too late. You're going to blame the previous owner who didn't service the brakes years ago. Maybe both have f**ked up?
Bpool.
It is not either/or. It is both
1) Back in 2016, a Govt scenario planning event for a pandemic identified that lack of ventilators machines was a key problem. We had 5000. We needed 100,000+. In the four years since, precisely nothing was done about that. THAT is the long term failing.
2) But THIS Govt knew that back in January, when they were being told of the potential threat of CV-19. They did NOTHING about it all through February. They did nothing in securing PPE for NHS staff. Or securing more testing kits.
What you are saying is, if your car is about to hit the wall, you're not going to blame the driver who hit the brakes too late. You're going to blame the previous owner who didn't service the brakes years ago. Maybe both have f**ked up?
Wind your neck in! The Scots Government has had an extra 15% to spend per capita on health....why did they only have 300 respirators for 5 million population?
Bpool.
It is not either/or. It is both
1) Back in 2016, a Govt scenario planning event for a pandemic identified that lack of ventilators machines was a key problem. We had 5000. We needed 100,000+. In the four years since, precisely nothing was done about that. THAT is the long term failing.
2) But THIS Govt knew that back in January, when they were being told of the potential threat of CV-19. They did NOTHING about it all through February. They did nothing in securing PPE for NHS staff. Or securing more testing kits.
What you are saying is, if your car is about to hit the wall, you're not going to blame the driver who hit the brakes too late. You're going to blame the previous owner who didn't service the brakes years ago. Maybe both have f**ked up?
Wind your neck in! The Scots Government has had an extra 15% to spend per capita on health....why did they only have 300 respirators for 5 million population?
It would be stupid and crass to fake it..
I don’t like his policies but that’s as far as it goes, the rest isn’t personal.
I’ve just watched the video on the tweet sent out, he’s developed a persistent cough he never coughed once on the video, not even a sign of holding a cough in. He says he has a high temperature but shows now signs of sweating, something associated with a high temperature, he’s sat there in a jacket shirt and tie, not something you would wear if you had a temperature, I’m sceptical he has it
Let's hope he stays healthy or it's prime minister Raab (god help us).
He does have a particularly important job though so why not.
Ldr.
Tell you what mate. If I were in charge, I wouldn't have been bragging at a press conference that I'd shaken everyone's hand at a CV-19 ward, or that I was planning to have the family round for Mother's Day last Sunday.
Strange that you pick up on Filo but you give Johnson a pass on his rank idiocy.
He does have a particularly important job though so why not.
He does have a particularly important job though so why not.
Unlike of course the actual people diagnosing and treating the actual covid-19 patients.
These of course are the people who Hancock said last week were being provided with PPE - until they contacted the media so say they weren't, for the service Hancock said last week was participating in the EU procurement bid for more ventillators. Until his boss said yesterday we weren't.
He does have a particularly important job though so why not.
Unlike of course the actual people diagnosing and treating the actual covid-19 patients.
These of course are the people who Hancock said last week were being provided with PPE - until they contacted the media so say they weren't, for the service Hancock said last week was participating in the EU procurement bid for more ventillators. Until his boss said yesterday we weren't.
Wilts, there is no need to have a pop at me for saying that BJ has an important job.
And of course the NHS workers on the front line should get a test too, I didn’t say anything to the contrary.
I dislike Jeremy Hunt with a passion for the state he has left the NHS in - but I am afraid if Johnson wants to get a grip on this crises he should replace Hannock with him.
I dislike Jeremy Hunt with a passion for the state he has left the NHS in - but I am afraid if Johnson wants to get a grip on this crises he should replace Hannock with him.
Trust is a key issue here. When you have made your career through being a pathological liar, it's understandable that people jump to the conclusion that they are being bullshitted, even if you are telling the truth.
Trust is a key issue here. When you have made your career through being a pathological liar, it's understandable that people jump to the conclusion that they are being bullshitted, even if you are telling the truth.
I must be becoming more cynical as I age because my first thought was not :
a) serves the b*****d right
b) well I suppose it was bound to happen
NO it was the same as some on here - in that I wondered if it was "real" or a stunt to show him as "one of us" human and vulnerable which is a sad state of affairs when an elector like myself even THINKS that.
However it was and is prompted as BST has pointed out above - he Johnson is without doubt the biggest proven liar I have ever noticed in Politics since I have been interested if thats the right word. Others will have told porkies but he has been proven to do it again and again and been exposed as well but it seems like water off a ducks back
Why not just wish the man a speedy recovery lol
Why not just wish the man a speedy recovery lol
If he has it I wish him well, but I’m not remotely convinced he has it
How come only the rich, privileged and famous only get mild symptoms? Because apparently the majority who get it only get mild symptoms
It would be stupid and crass to fake it..
I don’t like his policies but that’s as far as it goes, the rest isn’t personal.
Boris is still presenting Symptoms of CV19, back into hiding for another week then, how convenient!
Boris is still presenting Symptoms of CV19, back into hiding for another week then, how convenient!
This is looking a pretty childish comment now isn’t it.
You are all looking pretty foolish now guys aren't you, or is he really not in ICU???
You are all looking pretty foolish now guys aren't you, or is he really not in ICU???
Really?? What's looking pretty foolish is walking,around a corona virus ward,shaking hands(against all expert advice),and then bragging about it in a presser,whilst at the same time not keeping a safe distance from other ministers. Now that really was stupid.
I wish him no ill,but the man is a fool. A leopard cant change its spots.
I'm just as concerned for those he came into contact with following him contracting the disease and their contacts .........................Sydders you and Foxbat, you are actually 'Big Vern and his sidekick Ernie'
I'm just as concerned for those he came into contact with following him contracting the disease and their contacts .........................Sydders you and Foxbat, you are actually 'Big Vern and his sidekick Ernie'
From Viz Comic See nowt but conspiracy Boom Boom
Are you sure it was St Thomas' Hospital...?
Are you sure it was St Thomas' Hospital...?
Thats what we are told, but knowing the dishonesty of todays Govt he could have been anywhere
Boris has left hospital, on Easter Sunday, a modern day resurection, 72 hours in Intensive Care and 48 hours on a general ward, remarkable and now against Government instructions, he’s toddling off to his second home. How far is Chequers away from St Thomas hospital compared to the top floor apartment at Downing Street?
Boris has left hospital, on Easter Sunday, a modern day resurection, 72 hours in Intensive Care and 48 hours on a general ward, remarkable and now against Government instructions, he’s toddling off to his second home. How far is Chequers away from St Thomas hospital compared to the top floor apartment at Downing Street?
Aye because he is going to be off to tesco and mixing with the local population isnt he?
Wonder where Carrie is now?
Wonder where Carrie is now?
Go no be honest, how many of you are really disappointed?
Go no be honest, how many of you are really disappointed?
I think we went through this issue last week.
What in the name of God are you trying to achieve in chucking in this disgusting implied insult again?
https://dorseteye.com/was-boris-johnsons-covid-19-condition-contrived/
https://dorseteye.com/was-boris-johnsons-covid-19-condition-contrived/
Yeah, well the same rag concludes that Corbyn was stitched up and that there was no evidence of anti semetism in the Labour Party.
I wonder why Starmer apologised for it then.
Wonder where Carrie is now?
Carrie doesn't live here anymore
Carrie used to room on the second floor
Sorry that she left no forwarding address
That was known to me
Carrie doesn't live here anymore
You could always ask at the corner store
Carrie had a date with her own kind of fate
It's plain to see
https://dorseteye.com/was-boris-johnsons-covid-19-condition-contrived/
Yeah, well the same rag concludes that Corbyn was stitched up and that there was no evidence of anti semetism in the Labour Party.
I wonder why Starmer apologised for it then.
I wonder why Starmer wont release this report that Sky News have then?
Go no be honest, how many of you are really disappointed?
Go no be honest, how many of you are really disappointed?I'm not disappointed at all.
Go no be honest, how many of you are really disappointed?
Go no be honest, how many of you are really disappointed?
Go no be honest, how many of you are really disappointed?
I think we went through this issue last week.
What in the name of God are you trying to achieve in chucking in this disgusting implied insult again?
Deflection from his failure to comment on yesterdays briefing
https://dorseteye.com/was-boris-johnsons-covid-19-condition-contrived/
Yeah, well the same rag concludes that Corbyn was stitched up and that there was no evidence of anti semetism in the Labour Party.
I wonder why Starmer apologised for it then.
I wonder why Starmer wont release this report that Sky News have then?
Which report is that.
I wonder if you think that the parents of the nurse that looked after BJ are lying about what their daughter was doing.
Go no be honest, how many of you are really disappointed?
Chuffing heck you goons have turned this thread into an episode of 'Hitchcocks half hour!"😂😂😂😉
https://dorseteye.com/was-boris-johnsons-covid-19-condition-contrived/
Yeah, well the same rag concludes that Corbyn was stitched up and that there was no evidence of anti semetism in the Labour Party.
I wonder why Starmer apologised for it then.
I wonder why Starmer wont release this report that Sky News have then?
Which report is that.
I wonder if you think that the parents of the nurse that looked after BJ are lying about what their daughter was doing.
I have no idea what the parents of the nurse said so have no idea if they are lying. She and all her colleagues are doing a wonderful job putting their lives at risk in treating patients like him. I wish him well in his recovery so he can thank her properly by recruiting more staff, giving them adequate equipment and paying them properly. All the things he has voted against in the past.
I posted that list on Facebook yesterday and it's a list of shame.
Not one of them had the guts to go against the party line.
Surely not every Tory MP agreed?
I posted that list on Facebook yesterday and it's a list of shame.
Not one of them had the guts to go against the party line.
Surely not every Tory MP agreed?
Ah, but don't forget, that was at a time when austerity was still the solution to all our economic ills. Apparently.
https://fullfact.org/health/queens-speech-public-sector-pay/
https://fullfact.org/health/queens-speech-public-sector-pay/
https://fullfact.org/health/queens-speech-public-sector-pay/lies it’s all lies
More maybe, to permit negative voting against the others.. but not more as in enough to make voting Tory a positive choice..
People were negatively voting against certain parties, rather than for the Tories.
Not everyone obviously, most who always vote conservative would have done so anyway, but enough to swing the balance in plenty of seats:
You could probably say we got the best of a bad lot, rather than someone we really wanted.
That’s quite sad really.
I wouldn't imagine the staunch Labour defectors would read The Sun, Mail, Express, Times and Telegraph despite their despair of Corbyn.There you go again BB, turning the point around to suit yourself.
TT, Boris Johnson got far more criticism than Corbyn. The out of touch media, not unlike this forum, got a bloody shock after the election result. That is because it was out of touch with reality because the silent majority kept their opinions to themselves until voting day.
TT, Boris Johnson got far more criticism than Corbyn. The out of touch media, not unlike this forum, got a bloody shock after the election result. That is because it was out of touch with reality because the silent majority kept their opinions to themselves until voting day.
This insistence on starting fights BB. And changing the fight halfway through.
My 13 year old is going through that phase. I'm hoping he'll grow out of it.
The Election result was
Con 43.6
Lab 33.0
The average of the last 10 poll before the election was.
Con 43.4
Lab 32.5
It wasn't a shock. It was a massive disappointment to some of us. It hurt. Because we wanted it not to be true.
See me, when the Rovers are losing 0-3 with 5 mins left, I still roar on every tackle, every shot, every pass. I don't WANT the inevitable defeat to be true. And it hurts when we do lose.
This insistence on starting fights BB. And changing the fight halfway through.
My 13 year old is going through that phase. I'm hoping he'll grow out of it.
The Election result was
Con 43.6
Lab 33.0
The average of the last 10 poll before the election was.
Con 43.4
Lab 32.5
It wasn't a shock. It was a massive disappointment to some of us. It hurt. Because we wanted it not to be true.
See me, when the Rovers are losing 0-3 with 5 mins left, I still roar on every tackle, every shot, every pass. I don't WANT the inevitable defeat to be true. And it hurts when we do lose.
So 56.4% of those who voted didn’t want a conservative government, based upon the total votes rather than per seat.
This insistence on starting fights BB. And changing the fight halfway through.
My 13 year old is going through that phase. I'm hoping he'll grow out of it.
The Election result was
Con 43.6
Lab 33.0
The average of the last 10 poll before the election was.
Con 43.4
Lab 32.5
It wasn't a shock. It was a massive disappointment to some of us. It hurt. Because we wanted it not to be true.
See me, when the Rovers are losing 0-3 with 5 mins left, I still roar on every tackle, every shot, every pass. I don't WANT the inevitable defeat to be true. And it hurts when we do lose.
So 56.4% of those who voted didn’t want a conservative government, based upon the total votes rather than per seat.
BST. As a bloke who takes pride in his facts, you must be disappointed when you find out those facts are wrong. Sorry to disappoint you, but you're wrong on this one. You see, I can't claim victory for the election result, because the party I voted for didn't win either! So, I'm a loser just like you - Only a far more gracious one!
This insistence on starting fights BB. And changing the fight halfway through.
My 13 year old is going through that phase. I'm hoping he'll grow out of it.
The Election result was
Con 43.6
Lab 33.0
The average of the last 10 poll before the election was.
Con 43.4
Lab 32.5
It wasn't a shock. It was a massive disappointment to some of us. It hurt. Because we wanted it not to be true.
See me, when the Rovers are losing 0-3 with 5 mins left, I still roar on every tackle, every shot, every pass. I don't WANT the inevitable defeat to be true. And it hurts when we do lose.
So 56.4% of those who voted didn’t want a conservative government, based upon the total votes rather than per seat.
Come on IDM, you know what the system is.
If your a Party had won I am sure you wouldn’t have brought that up.
This insistence on starting fights BB. And changing the fight halfway through.
My 13 year old is going through that phase. I'm hoping he'll grow out of it.
The Election result was
Con 43.6
Lab 33.0
The average of the last 10 poll before the election was.
Con 43.4
Lab 32.5
It wasn't a shock. It was a massive disappointment to some of us. It hurt. Because we wanted it not to be true.
See me, when the Rovers are losing 0-3 with 5 mins left, I still roar on every tackle, every shot, every pass. I don't WANT the inevitable defeat to be true. And it hurts when we do lose.
So 56.4% of those who voted didn’t want a conservative government, based upon the total votes rather than per seat.
Come on IDM, you know what the system is.
If your a Party had won I am sure you wouldn’t have brought that up.
The system is flawed. We should have PR and compulsory voting, allowing for a “ one of the above” option.
TT, Boris Johnson got far more criticism than Corbyn. The out of touch media, not unlike this forum, got a bloody shock after the election result. That is because it was out of touch with reality because the silent majority kept their opinions to themselves until voting day.
BST, you said I was a winner. I wasn't. That hasn't stopped you from accusing me of crowing about winning though, has it?
What do you mean by properly engaging in substantive discussion? What do you call substantive? Is finding out real facts for oneself with real-life experiences not substantive? Or are your rules of only accepting quotes from lefty newspapers the only way of producing substantive discussion?
You see, your analogy of a Rovers match is not a good one unless the opposition isn't allowed any goals to score in.
On the votes cast it would have been the Tories of course.. but if we had PR, more folks may have voted especially in constituencies where one party usually has a huge majority.. there would be much less tactical voting..
Boris and Carrie announce the birth of a baby boy............. another Johnson emerges..
Boris and Carrie announce the birth of a baby boy............. another Johnson emerges..
Boris and Carrie announce the birth of a baby boy............. another Johnson emerges..
How many is that he's got now?
Is it three or four? I don't think it's ever been definitively determined has it?
Let’s not politicise the birth of a baby.?
Under normal circumstances it would be right and proper for Johnson to take some leave and leave his deputies in charge..
However in this time of national crisis it would be better perhaps to have some time off, but to take part in important meetings etc in between.
Boris and Carrie announce the birth of a baby boy............. another Johnson emerges..
How many is that he's got now?
Is it three or four? I don't think it's ever been definitively determined has it?
And is it anyone's business but his?
The details of his personal life - resulting in press hounding of his extended family - is not in the public interest.
But matters which affect his trustworthiness do make a difference.
Look at all the fuss when it appears that some senior MPs and ministers once smoked weed at university.?
The details of his personal life - resulting in press hounding of his extended family - is not in the public interest.
But matters which affect his trustworthiness do make a difference.
Look at all the fuss when it appears that some senior MPs and ministers once smoked weed at university.?
But again, that is a matter of integrity. So we have at least one Cabinet Minister who is a well known fan of Colombian Marching Powder. And he sits in a Govt which has deported British raised citizens for drug dealing.
Don't you think that Cabinet Minister's personal habits are relevant in judging how they deal with these issues?
I look at it this way, given we KNOW hes a liar, what relevance does his private life have on any judgement? We know what we need to know about him already
BST. I fully expected you to jump on the bandwagon and refuse to even consider any benefit of the doubt, just as I expect anybody else with a likewise agenda to do so.
Yes, if their accusers have a record of political agendas.
If the hospital example you refer to is the best you can do it just shows how you are clutching at straws. Boris was told there would be no press in attendance to interview him, and there wasn't. He wasn't referring to photographers, who are always in attendance.
It was simply a misunderstanding.
He'd only thank him if BST commented on it.If the hospital example you refer to is the best you can do it just shows how you are clutching at straws. Boris was told there would be no press in attendance to interview him, and there wasn't. He wasn't referring to photographers, who are always in attendance.
It was simply a misunderstanding.
BB, I'm actually coming to the conclusion that if Johnson kicked you in the nuts and told you it's because you deserved it, you'd actually thank him for doing it to you! Why do you keep trying to defend the indefensible?
Hound.
Do you assume Jeremy Vine is lying in that article then? Making it all up? Is that why you choose to ignore it?
Give it a go. If you don't find it scary as hell, you're a braver man than me.
Hound.
Do you assume Jeremy Vine is lying in that article then? Making it all up? Is that why you choose to ignore it?
Give it a go. If you don't find it scary as hell, you're a braver man than me.
I haven’t said anything about a Vine lying or that he is making it up, again you are second guessing what I am thinking.
The reason I didn’t bother to read it is that I am sick to death of coming across posts that look to discredit the government and in particular, the PM.
Whenever something good happens there is begrudging praise but usually followed up immediately with a criticism.
It is increasingly boring so I tend to skim over most of the posts, looking instead for credible information about the virus and what the way out is.
Boris and Carrie announce the birth of a baby boy............. another Johnson emerges..
And now the paternity leave will keep him hiding 😀
I could have posted a link to the Vine story, but posted it in its entirety in the hope people would be more likely to read it.
I can't add to BST's assessment of Johnson. He is as scary as hell.
Hound.
Do you assume Jeremy Vine is lying in that article then? Making it all up? Is that why you choose to ignore it?
Give it a go. If you don't find it scary as hell, you're a braver man than me.
I haven’t said anything about a Vine lying or that he is making it up, again you are second guessing what I am thinking.
The reason I didn’t bother to read it is that I am sick to death of coming across posts that look to discredit the government and in particular, the PM.
Whenever something good happens there is begrudging praise but usually followed up immediately with a criticism.
It is increasingly boring so I tend to skim over most of the posts, looking instead for credible information about the virus and what the way out is.
You’re looking in the wrong thread if you are looking for information about the virus, this thread is about the PM
Wilts, is that your response to the point that there is an epidemic of blatant one-sided bias on this forum?
It depends how you see bias, as I said on the other thread there is an abundance of science, 99% that says we need to do somethng about climate change and 1% of nutters that say otherwise do we have to have 50% of each according to you and hound?
Wilts, is that your response to the point that there is an epidemic of blatant one-sided bias on this forum?
No BST, YOU just argue with anybody who believes one-sided, biased opinions are ....... well, one-sided and biased.
No BST, YOU just argue with anybody who believes one-sided, biased opinions are ....... well, one-sided and biased.
No BST, YOU just argue with anybody who believes one-sided, biased opinions are ....... well, one-sided and biased.
Aren’t all opinions biased, to some degree.?
Judgement should be unbiased..
No BST, YOU just argue with anybody who believes one-sided, biased opinions are ....... well, one-sided and biased.
Aren’t all opinions biased, to some degree.?
Judgement should be unbiased..
To some degree, I suppose they are. But, when that degree of bias reaches a point of it becoming an obsession the result is a totally unbalanced view. A sign of that point being reached is when, in desperation, the guilty party start resorting to silly, cartoon pictures.
I think they call it 'grown-up politics'.
Filo, your judgement amazes me! Have a look at the stats and see how many times BST responds negatively to my posts, compared to my responses to his. This last spat, for instance. Who responded first? Now, If you want to count only my responses to BST, and miss out BST's responses to me, that would be a typical example of my entire point.
It's impossible and pointless Glyn.
He's not interested in arguing about issues. He just argues about arguing.
Obviously you meant the poster who has an obsession with me, but not unexpectedly got it the wrong way round. I'm assuming you meant the one with the initials Biased Selective Tendentious, Didn't you?Filo, your judgement amazes me! Have a look at the stats and see how many times BST responds negatively to my posts, compared to my responses to his. This last spat, for instance. Who responded first? Now, If you want to count only my responses to BST, and miss out BST's responses to me, that would be a typical example of my entire point.
I never mentioned the posters name, which really confirms my point, your obsession with a certain poster
It's impossible and pointless Glyn.
He's not interested in arguing about issues. He just argues about arguing.
I know. All it takes is for BB to post in a thread and it suddenly takes on the nature of a kid going ner-ner-ner-ne-ner-ne through the bars of an infant school playground to the grown-ups outside.
Obviously you meant the poster who has an obsession with me, but not unexpectedly got it the wrong way round. I'm assuming you meant the one with the initials Biased Selective Tendentious, Didn't you?Filo, your judgement amazes me! Have a look at the stats and see how many times BST responds negatively to my posts, compared to my responses to his. This last spat, for instance. Who responded first? Now, If you want to count only my responses to BST, and miss out BST's responses to me, that would be a typical example of my entire point.
I never mentioned the posters name, which really confirms my point, your obsession with a certain poster
It depends how you see bias, as I said on the other thread there is an abundance of science, 99% that says we need to do somethng about climate change and 1% of nutters that say otherwise do we have to have 50% of each according to you and hound?
Obviously you meant the poster who has an obsession with me, but not unexpectedly got it the wrong way round. I'm assuming you meant the one with the initials Biased Selective Tendentious, Didn't you?Filo, your judgement amazes me! Have a look at the stats and see how many times BST responds negatively to my posts, compared to my responses to his. This last spat, for instance. Who responded first? Now, If you want to count only my responses to BST, and miss out BST's responses to me, that would be a typical example of my entire point.
I never mentioned the posters name, which really confirms my point, your obsession with a certain poster
I don’t play childish game, I meant you, and you know it
It depends how you see bias, as I said on the other thread there is an abundance of science, 99% that says we need to do somethng about climate change and 1% of nutters that say otherwise do we have to have 50% of each according to you and hound?
What are you on about Syderney.
The last time I looked on the Coronavirus thread there was a reference to climate change BY YOU, then IDM commented on it.
I never entered into discussion about it.
You are lying to say that I have said anything about climate change.
You complain about the government lying and yet you do it yourself.
Hypocrite.
The same as the unbiased version of Corbyn's and Starmer's records.
Filo, your judgement amazes me! Have a look at the stats and see how many times BST responds negatively to my posts, compared to my responses to his. This last spat, for instance. Who responded first? Now, If you want to count only my responses to BST, and miss out BST's responses to me, that would be a typical example of my entire point.
To some degree, I suppose they are. But, when that degree of bias reaches a point of it becoming an obsession the result is a totally unbalanced view. A sign of that point being reached is when,in desperation, the guilty party start resorting to silly, cartoon pictures.BBs fingers make contact with the keyboard.
I think they call it 'grown-up politics'.
Wilts, is that your response to the point that there is an epidemic of blatant one-sided bias on this forum?
Wilts, how many times have those stories been mentioned in the past? Is it a BBC style tactic where you have to show repeats because you haven't got enough new material?
BST, you are not grasping what my point is. I accuse you of an obsession with negative Boris stories and you respond by putting up a negative Boris link!
Something the whole world appears to have known except for johnson and his government, unfortunately it looks like just another lie.
''Brexit will mean checks on goods crossing Irish Sea, government admits
Ministers’ letter confirms border control posts at ports of Belfast, Warrenpoint and 'Larne''
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/13/brexit-will-mean-checks-on-goods-crossing-irish-sea-government-admits
I'm afraid I have had it with Johnson and his mottley deckhands
Its just one lie after another - and politicians down the years having been exposed would have been hung out to dry but there seems to be only ITV doing anything to try to expose them
I mean come one (anyone). Just tell me how Johnson can say this and believe it
Talking about Care Homes he said this - article ripped off to save me typing it out and pararphrasing
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-britain-carehomes/exclusive-review-contradicts-boris-johnson-on-claims-he-ordered-early-lockdown-at-uk-care-homes-idUKKBN22R1NA
How the hell can he believe that we would believe that s**t. It just flies in the face of everything we think we know - but he must know that we know and yet still comes out with it and would never have got away with that "ages" ago
Such is the state of politics these days he did say it thus racking up another PROVEN lie and carries on regardless
UNBELIEVABLE
London assembly to resume its own inquiry into Johnson's dealings with Jennifer Arcuri as mayor
‘’ Everyone who holds public office, whether you’re the mayor of London, or indeed the prime minister, is expected to adhere to the principles of public life - including integrity, selflessness, openness and honesty, to name a few’’
I can't see this being a problem for johnson then?
Contact lenses .....maybe.
Contact lenses .....maybe.
Are you saying he was disingenous when he told the British public Covid had made his eyesight worse so he needed to start wearing glasses again - when actually he had been wearing contact lenses all the time? Him being 'blind as a bat'.
Interesting how many times DC said he has to take decisions, and how he can’t always check them with Boris Johnson. You’d expect Johnson to delegate decision making authority, but not necessarily to his adviser. Certainly felt like an insight into who’s actually running the show.
He broke the law driving north
He broke the law driving to hospital
He broke the law driving home from hospital
He broke the law driving to Barnard Castle
He broke the law driving home from Barnard Castle
He broke the law driving back down south
Michael Gove ermmmmmmmmmmmmm
I left the party over the pms backing for Cummings yesterday, I doubt I'll be the only oneGlad someone out there has a sense of honour. Respect Ldr.
I left the party over the pms backing for Cummings yesterday, I doubt I'll be the only one
I'm afraid I have had it with Johnson and his mottley deckhands
Its just one lie after another - and politicians down the years having been exposed would have been hung out to dry but there seems to be only ITV doing anything to try to expose them
I mean come one (anyone). Just tell me how Johnson can say this and believe it
Talking about Care Homes he said this - article ripped off to save me typing it out and pararphrasing
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-britain-carehomes/exclusive-review-contradicts-boris-johnson-on-claims-he-ordered-early-lockdown-at-uk-care-homes-idUKKBN22R1NA
How the hell can he believe that we would believe that s**t. It just flies in the face of everything we think we know - but he must know that we know and yet still comes out with it and would never have got away with that "ages" ago
Such is the state of politics these days he did say it thus racking up another PROVEN lie and carries on regardless
UNBELIEVABLE
Your last sentence, depressingly, says it all Wolf.
I desperately hoped that this Govt would step up to this challenge. But it has continued as before. Incompetence, lack of attention to detail, and when confronted over it, instinctively lying.
And it is so ingrained that people don't even bother shrugging their shoulders over it.
60,000 dead when it could and should have been much, much lower.
£1/2 trillion of lost economic output because our lockdown is having to go on longer and harder than it should have done, because we lost control of the outbreak.
And folk don't even raise an eyebrow when the Govt unequivocally lies about what it did.
It's like the population has been anaesthetised.
I do genuinely wonder what it would take to make some people stir. I wonder what the response of people would have been if someone had said 6 months ago that Corbyn would win the Election, and within 3 months would f**k up so badly on managing a crisis that we'd end up with 1.5x as many deaths as were killed in the Blitz. That Corbyn had had two weeks off in a love nest with a woman half his age, sorting out his messy private life while the biggest peacetime disaster in a century overwhelmed us.
Just picture the headlines in the Mail and the Express. Just imagine their response when Corbyn then blatantly lied about what he had done to protect the country.
I left the party over the pms backing for Cummings yesterday, I doubt I'll be the only one
Today tells the Torygraph he is taking control.
So who the f**k has been in control for the last six months?
Johnson was completely rattled by Starmer at PMQ's. Bumbling bullshit and actually said we've tested 200,000 people a day for C-19..?
Body language was very telling, especially eye contact. Johnson looks around desperately for approval; Starmer looks right through Johnson, secure in the knowledge of being on solid ground.
Not sure why Johnson thinks insisting he’s proud of his track record on Covid and then shouting at Starmer, accusing *him* of undermining public trust (!) ... can make him look anything other than idiotic..
What have we learned from today’s #PMQs? We’ve learned that apart from being lazy, arrogant, and cowardly, dePfeffel Johnson is also really bad-tempered.
No, wait, we knew that before the election when the police were called to a domestic, didn’t we?
He's an empty bag of wind and piss, nothing more
To be fair I don't think that is an earpiece. I just think it's a cavernous black hole. If you stare at it long enough you start to hear the music from the end of 2001 a Space Odyssey.
If it was an earpiece, he clearly wasn't f**king listening anyway.
To be fair I don't think that is an earpiece. I just think it's a cavernous black hole. If you stare at it long enough you start to hear the music from the end of 2001 a Space Odyssey.
If it was an earpiece, he clearly wasn't f**king listening anyway.
To be fair I don't think that is an earpiece. I just think it's a cavernous black hole. If you stare at it long enough you start to hear the music from the end of 2001 a Space Odyssey.
If it was an earpiece, he clearly wasn't f**king listening anyway.
Having seen the six o’clock news, which filmed both sides of him, his left ear looks just the same.
This has happened many times before, people see what they want to see
https://twitter.com/mikeysmith/status/1198577780197412864?lang=en They are many more times he has been accused of it to
Can conservatives explain to me how working-class born, merited knight Keir Starmer is out of touch,
but Eton-educated, burner of £50 note in front of homeless man,great laugh on the telly , Boris Johnson is a salt of the earth, man of the people?
Can conservatives explain to me how working-class born, merited knight Keir Starmer is out of touch,
but Eton-educated, burner of £50 note in front of homeless man,great laugh on the telly , Boris Johnson is a salt of the earth, man of the people?
Who has said he is?
Can conservatives explain to me how working-class born, merited knight Keir Starmer is out of touch,
but Eton-educated, burner of £50 note in front of homeless man,great laugh on the telly , Boris Johnson is a salt of the earth, man of the people?
Who has said he is?
His entire argument for nearly five years has been that he is on the side of The People against The Elite. Where have you been?
No. He has the touch of a Pedo
Ok.No. He has the touch of a Pedo
What the f*ck are you on about?
Ok.No. He has the touch of a Pedo
What the f*ck are you on about?
SS.
Could you explain or justify your earlier post?
Nah
This thread seems to have gone very strange all of a sudden?
Can conservatives explain to me how working-class born, merited knight Keir Starmer is out of touch,
but Eton-educated, burner of £50 note in front of homeless man,great laugh on the telly , Boris Johnson is a salt of the earth, man of the people?
Who has said he is?
His entire argument for nearly five years has been that he is on the side of The People against The Elite. Where have you been?
That's not the same as someone saying KS is out of touch though is it
Johnson has been tested and found wanting
The marriage of convenience between the PM and his party is not likely to survive the years of grimness that lie ahead
Matthew Parris
Friday June 05 2020, 5.00pm, The Times
Here’s a mystery, a parable really for bigger things. Do you remember the government’s Joint Biosecurity Centre (JBC), trumpeted almost a month ago? News stories can flare and die but this one did sound big. In the words of the Institute for Government think tank, the JBC would have two main jobs: “an independent analytical function to provide real-time analysis about infection outbreaks” and advice “on how the government should respond to spikes in infections”.
One did wonder what Public Health England (PHE) and the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) were for but this new outfit sounded like a good idea. As Britain flounders through a pandemic and public trust in politicians wanes, think of the more durable reputations of the independent offices for national statistics and for budget responsibility. Or the Bank of England. Or think of our security services.
Well that appears to be what a panicky prime minister did think. He thought of the JTAC (the Joint Terrorism Analysis Centre) and the JIC (Joint Intelligence Committee) and thought “Ah! Security! Spies! Yes — Medical Intelligence! Big announcement — media will lap it up.” And we all did. But what happened? You’re confused? So is the PM. Set up by government to inform itself independently from itself, the JBC has seen both its role and its leader change while still only in embryo. Only this week Downing Street told us that the JBC has been “in discussion” with the chief medical officer for England about moving from “level four” Covid security to “level three”. And at once a flustered health secretary pops up to tell us that the JBC doesn’t exist or (as Matt Hancock put it) “formally needs to come into existence”. A turf war with Public Health England, no doubt.
You and I are looking at a right Horlicks of a government, and the rot starts at the top. If we’re really at “level four” of the epidemic, why are we even coming out of lockdown?
How is this ludicrous travel quarantine ever going to work? Will our “world-beating” phone app ever be ready? Should we wear facemasks? Why does the virus appear to have fled London when only about 20 per cent have been infected? Where might it be headed next? What plans have we for localised lockdowns? Is the two-metre rule here to stay? What about schools when other year groups return? What about public transport as we return to work?
But leave it off: we’ve reached a point when firing questions is just embarrassing. Why bother unless we can address them to a presiding and commanding human intelligence? Which brings us to Boris Johnson, apparently still the prime minister.
You’ll have heard the mutterings. “Boris hasn’t fully recovered yet”, “not firing on all cylinders”, “no strategic direction”, “can’t concentrate”, “lost his bounce . . . ” Well he’s certainly lost his bounce. But as for all those other whispers about impaired judgment, they’re nonsense. He never had any judgment or strategic vision. His powers of concentration have always been weak. There never was a golden age of Boris Johnson, never was this fabled creature of whom we now see only a poor shadow. Mr Johnson was only ever a shallow opportunist with a minor talent to amuse.
No after-dinner speeches now. What at least he does realise is that this is not a time when his skills as a self-parodying light entertainer are called for. Sadly though, he doesn’t have any other skills. He broke into Downing Street by clambering up a drainpipe called Brexit and he never fully believed in that foolish endeavour, as the more deeply-rooted Brexiteers always knew.
Johnson may recover fully from the coronavirus but he is not going to get better, and a horrible national crisis has put that truth on show. Yet for him this, so far, has been the easy bit — the “rally round, boys, and let’s show a united face to our Covid-19 foe” bit.
What comes next must prove much more difficult for any occupant of No 10. Ahead lie two or perhaps three tremendous tests.
As Britain wakes up to the fact that we’ve messed up, the country faces a summer when our citizens, like children not allowed out to play, will watch with noses pressed to the window as continental Europe suns itself on beaches while we British are confined to Scrabble and computer games. It’s questionable whether this is even sustainable.
Second, as winter approaches, a big second wave of coronavirus may hit us. I’m not expecting this but the scientists guiding what’s left of government policy fear it’s a real risk. Unless the rest of the world is hit by comparable second waves, British voters would turn on a Tory government with real ferocity and a plausible Sir Keir Starmer is positioning Labour to profit from it.
Third, awaits the greatest test by far for any PM: struggling, maybe for years, to heal a gravely wounded national economy. Is Johnson the leader for a time of soaring unemployment, widespread bankruptcies, empty Treasury coffers and humiliating international comparisons? His parliamentary party at Westminster must wonder.
I’d be an idiot to predict that Johnson must fall before the next general election; but you’d be idiotic to rule it out. Guessing where, when and how is a mug’s game, but a general statement is possible. Once your credibility is shot and the voters have fallen out of love with you, you are vulnerable to the first rabbit-hole that breaks your stride. And if the PM trips and falls, he will already know that his marriage to the parliamentary Conservative Party was only ever one of convenience. They don’t like or trust him, and only chose him because they thought (rightly as it turned out) he could win a general election.
We can guess how Jeremy Hunt or Michael Gove rate Johnson’s capabilities. As for his chancellor, Johnson forced out Sajid Javid, who would never have been a rival, and replaced him with Rishi Sunak, a man already being seen (and, I hear, seeing himself) as a contender. The field will not be empty.
Throughout these frightening recent months we’ve had a prime minister who navigates not by the heavens but by opinion polls. Look at his quarantine plans. His actions are dictated by what he thinks we think we want. Let him study those polls ever more closely in the seasons ahead. His backbenchers, ministers and rivals will be.
I missed this performance last week.
https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1268225660796968960
To think the country of Gladstone and Disraeli and Lloyd George and Churchill and Attlee and even Thatcher would be ruled by a f**kwit like this.
It doesn't matter which party you support Boris does not come across as a decent leader, whether it's of a political party or a country.
He always appears to be trying to think it out as he speaks, stumbling and stuttering his way through. I wonder what Thatcher's appraisal of him would have been but I think we can probably guess.
I missed this performance last week.
https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1268225660796968960
To think the country of Gladstone and Disraeli and Lloyd George and Churchill and Attlee and even Thatcher would be ruled by a f**kwit like this.
I wonder if they'd have been treated similarly by their opponents if Twitter was around then?
If you're going to ad lib a speech and make it up as you go along, you've got to be good at it. Anyone remember this?
"In the name of God, go; and take your Prime Minister, and the rest of your Rag, Tag, and Bobtails with you".
Who was it?
Ken Dodd?
Not even Google knows who it is.
Not even Google knows who it is.
It won't do if it isn't given a name. This speech was splattered all over the news broadcasts for a week, concerning the beginning of the end for the mining industry.
This was when Labour MPs actually fought for the rights of workers in this country.
Tommy Cooper then?
Not even Google knows who it is.
It won't do if it isn't given a name. This speech was splattered all over the news broadcasts for a week, concerning the beginning of the end for the mining industry.
This was when Labour MPs actually fought for the rights of workers in this country.
Yes it will if it's well known enough and quoted correctly.
Not even Google knows who it is.
It won't do if it isn't given a name. This speech was splattered all over the news broadcasts for a week, concerning the beginning of the end for the mining industry.
This was when Labour MPs actually fought for the rights of workers in this country.
Yes it will if it's well known enough and quoted correctly.
It's very well known, and quoted perfectly.
Not even Google knows who it is.
It won't do if it isn't given a name. This speech was splattered all over the news broadcasts for a week, concerning the beginning of the end for the mining industry.
This was when Labour MPs actually fought for the rights of workers in this country.
Yes it will if it's well known enough and quoted correctly.
It's very well known, and quoted perfectly.
Not according to Hansard.
I'm at a loss as to why you've brought this up in relation to ad-libbing speeches though.
Not even Google knows who it is.
It won't do if it isn't given a name. This speech was splattered all over the news broadcasts for a week, concerning the beginning of the end for the mining industry.
This was when Labour MPs actually fought for the rights of workers in this country.
Yes it will if it's well known enough and quoted correctly.
It's very well known, and quoted perfectly.
Not according to Hansard.
I'm at a loss as to why you've brought this up in relation to ad-libbing speeches though.
I've brought it up because this guy's a typical example of what Labour MPs used to be. Fighting for working class people's rights; and in the chamber all the time, not p*ssing it up in the bar like so many of them.
Not even Google knows who it is.
It won't do if it isn't given a name. This speech was splattered all over the news broadcasts for a week, concerning the beginning of the end for the mining industry.
This was when Labour MPs actually fought for the rights of workers in this country.
Yes it will if it's well known enough and quoted correctly.
It's very well known, and quoted perfectly.
Not according to Hansard.
I'm at a loss as to why you've brought this up in relation to ad-libbing speeches though.
I've brought it up because this guy's a typical example of what Labour MPs used to be. Fighting for working class people's rights; and in the chamber all the time, not p*ssing it up in the bar like so many of them.
And that relates to "If you're going to ad lib a speech and make it up as you go along, you've got to be good at it" ...how, exactly?
Tommy Cooper then?
Sydney, for f*ck's sake change your mind and don't come back to England.
Not even Google knows who it is.
It won't do if it isn't given a name. This speech was splattered all over the news broadcasts for a week, concerning the beginning of the end for the mining industry.
This was when Labour MPs actually fought for the rights of workers in this country.
Yes it will if it's well known enough and quoted correctly.
It's very well known, and quoted perfectly.
Not according to Hansard.
I'm at a loss as to why you've brought this up in relation to ad-libbing speeches though.
I've brought it up because this guy's a typical example of what Labour MPs used to be. Fighting for working class people's rights; and in the chamber all the time, not p*ssing it up in the bar like so many of them.
And that relates to "If you're going to ad lib a speech and make it up as you go along, you've got to be good at it" ...how, exactly?
Because this guy was good at insulting Tories, and often generating a laugh when doing so.
You, as a Tory hater, should be glad of someone like that.
Not even Google knows who it is.
It won't do if it isn't given a name. This speech was splattered all over the news broadcasts for a week, concerning the beginning of the end for the mining industry.
This was when Labour MPs actually fought for the rights of workers in this country.
Yes it will if it's well known enough and quoted correctly.
It's very well known, and quoted perfectly.
Not according to Hansard.
I'm at a loss as to why you've brought this up in relation to ad-libbing speeches though.
I've brought it up because this guy's a typical example of what Labour MPs used to be. Fighting for working class people's rights; and in the chamber all the time, not p*ssing it up in the bar like so many of them.
And that relates to "If you're going to ad lib a speech and make it up as you go along, you've got to be good at it" ...how, exactly?
Not even Google knows who it is.
It won't do if it isn't given a name. This speech was splattered all over the news broadcasts for a week, concerning the beginning of the end for the mining industry.
This was when Labour MPs actually fought for the rights of workers in this country.
Yes it will if it's well known enough and quoted correctly.
It's very well known, and quoted perfectly.
Not according to Hansard.
I'm at a loss as to why you've brought this up in relation to ad-libbing speeches though.
I've brought it up because this guy's a typical example of what Labour MPs used to be. Fighting for working class people's rights; and in the chamber all the time, not p*ssing it up in the bar like so many of them.
And that relates to "If you're going to ad lib a speech and make it up as you go along, you've got to be good at it" ...how, exactly?
Seeing as SS started his response with “I brought it up because” was because you had said “I’m at a loss as to why you brought this up”.
Not even Google knows who it is.
It won't do if it isn't given a name. This speech was splattered all over the news broadcasts for a week, concerning the beginning of the end for the mining industry.
This was when Labour MPs actually fought for the rights of workers in this country.
Yes it will if it's well known enough and quoted correctly.
It's very well known, and quoted perfectly.
Not according to Hansard.
I'm at a loss as to why you've brought this up in relation to ad-libbing speeches though.
I've brought it up because this guy's a typical example of what Labour MPs used to be. Fighting for working class people's rights; and in the chamber all the time, not p*ssing it up in the bar like so many of them.
And that relates to "If you're going to ad lib a speech and make it up as you go along, you've got to be good at it" ...how, exactly?
Because this guy was good at insulting Tories, and often generating a laugh when doing so.
You, as a Tory hater, should be glad of someone like that.
Yes he was, but he wasn't ad libbing.
Do actors ad lib on stage SS? I don't see them carrying scripts around.
Shall one of us just say Dennis Skinner and get this over with?
Jenrick giving private briefings to property developers about future changes to the property sector.I can.
Not what you know but who you know appears to be alive and well in this dodgy government. I can't see him hanging on much longer.
Jenrick giving private briefings to property developers about future changes to the property sector.I can.
Not what you know but who you know appears to be alive and well in this dodgy government. I can't see him hanging on much longer.
This sort of behaviour seems to be the 'new normal'.
Which to me whatever side they are on is totally intolerable
Another vote for PR perhaps - there will still be bent MPs with at least 2 other jobs working under aliases and some fiddling expenses and some doing a Jenrick but I would expect they would be hounded out in pretty short time
The current crop (a large minority at least) are moally devoid / corrupt call it what you will.
Or is this going to be the new normal as you suggest.
Which to me whatever side they are on is totally intolerable
Another vote for PR perhaps - there will still be bent MPs with at least 2 other jobs working under aliases and some fiddling expenses and some doing a Jenrick but I would expect they would be hounded out in pretty short time
The current crop (a large minority at least) are moally devoid / corrupt call it what you will.
Or is this going to be the new normal as you suggest.
Which to me whatever side they are on is totally intolerable
Another vote for PR perhaps - there will still be bent MPs with at least 2 other jobs working under aliases and some fiddling expenses and some doing a Jenrick but I would expect they would be hounded out in pretty short time
The current crop (a large minority at least) are moally devoid / corrupt call it what you will.
Or is this going to be the new normal as you suggest.
I agree on the pr, another thing that should be outlawed is the undemocratic use of the whip system
Which to me whatever side they are on is totally intolerable
Another vote for PR perhaps - there will still be bent MPs with at least 2 other jobs working under aliases and some fiddling expenses and some doing a Jenrick but I would expect they would be hounded out in pretty short time
The current crop (a large minority at least) are moally devoid / corrupt call it what you will.
Or is this going to be the new normal as you suggest.
Which to me whatever side they are on is totally intolerable
Another vote for PR perhaps - there will still be bent MPs with at least 2 other jobs working under aliases and some fiddling expenses and some doing a Jenrick but I would expect they would be hounded out in pretty short time
The current crop (a large minority at least) are moally devoid / corrupt call it what you will.
Or is this going to be the new normal as you suggest.
I agree on the pr, another thing that should be outlawed is the undemocratic use of the whip system
What's undemocratic about the whip? Surely by making MPs vote along party lines that means they'd better represent their voter's wishes?
Which to me whatever side they are on is totally intolerable
Another vote for PR perhaps - there will still be bent MPs with at least 2 other jobs working under aliases and some fiddling expenses and some doing a Jenrick but I would expect they would be hounded out in pretty short time
The current crop (a large minority at least) are moally devoid / corrupt call it what you will.
Or is this going to be the new normal as you suggest.
Wolfie, mate, I’m not sure you can have a large minority.
Which to me whatever side they are on is totally intolerable
Another vote for PR perhaps - there will still be bent MPs with at least 2 other jobs working under aliases and some fiddling expenses and some doing a Jenrick but I would expect they would be hounded out in pretty short time
The current crop (a large minority at least) are moally devoid / corrupt call it what you will.
Or is this going to be the new normal as you suggest.
I agree on the pr, another thing that should be outlawed is the undemocratic use of the whip system
What's undemocratic about the whip? Surely by making MPs vote along party lines that means they'd better represent their voter's wishes?
They are forced to vote the way their leader wants to vote rather than voting how they want to vote, as undemocratic as you can get
But in reality in that vote, the majority of people who voted elected to leave and the minority voted to remain.
But in reality in that vote, the majority of people who voted elected to leave and the minority voted to remain.
48% and 2% voting to remain are both minorities. But one is bigger than the other.
Two things about how the Govt has had to be dragged kicking and screaming to this school meals decision.
1) The morality of it. They are ideologically against this with every nerve in their bodies.
2) The optics. Is no one in Govt smart enough to think how this looks to the country?
Two things about how the Govt has had to be dragged kicking and screaming to this school meals decision.
1) The morality of it. They are ideologically against this with every nerve in their bodies.
2) The optics. Is no one in Govt smart enough to think how this looks to the country?
We're well past the point of them giving a toss about the optics to be fair. If they can just wave away the massive outcry and rage over Cummings, which they appear to have done successfully, then they can do it with anything.
But in reality in that vote, the majority of people who voted elected to leave and the minority voted to remain.
48% and 2% voting to remain are both minorities. But one is bigger than the other.
But in reality in that vote, the majority of people who voted elected to leave and the minority voted to remain.
48% and 2% voting to remain are both minorities. But one is bigger than the other.
Always looking to stir the pot GW aren’t you.
You clearly didn’t read what I had written.
I said “ in that vote” and as we all know a fewer number of voters voted to remain.
Whichever way you try to wrap that up, remain voters were in the minority in that vote.
Not sure what your reference to 2% was by the way.
But in reality in that vote, the majority of people who voted elected to leave and the minority voted to remain.
48% and 2% voting to remain are both minorities. But one is bigger than the other.
Always looking to stir the pot GW aren’t you.
You clearly didn’t read what I had written.
I said “ in that vote” and as we all know a fewer number of voters voted to remain.
Whichever way you try to wrap that up, remain voters were in the minority in that vote.
Not sure what your reference to 2% was by the way.
The 2% was purely for illustrative purposes to show the difference between a small minority and a large one, of course. Are you really struggling that much with the concept?
And you're a fine one to complain about someone stirring the pot. Hypocrite.
But in reality in that vote, the majority of people who voted elected to leave and the minority voted to remain.
48% and 2% voting to remain are both minorities. But one is bigger than the other.
Always looking to stir the pot GW aren’t you.
You clearly didn’t read what I had written.
I said “ in that vote” and as we all know a fewer number of voters voted to remain.
Whichever way you try to wrap that up, remain voters were in the minority in that vote.
Not sure what your reference to 2% was by the way.
The 2% was purely for illustrative purposes to show the difference between a small minority and a large one, of course. Are you really struggling that much with the concept?
And you're a fine one to complain about someone stirring the pot. Hypocrite.
You can’t see that the remain voters were in the minority in a two option vote. LoL.
But in reality in that vote, the majority of people who voted elected to leave and the minority voted to remain.
48% and 2% voting to remain are both minorities. But one is bigger than the other.
Always looking to stir the pot GW aren’t you.
You clearly didn’t read what I had written.
I said “ in that vote” and as we all know a fewer number of voters voted to remain.
Whichever way you try to wrap that up, remain voters were in the minority in that vote.
Not sure what your reference to 2% was by the way.
The 2% was purely for illustrative purposes to show the difference between a small minority and a large one, of course. Are you really struggling that much with the concept?
And you're a fine one to complain about someone stirring the pot. Hypocrite.
You can’t see that the remain voters were in the minority in a two option vote. LoL.
You can't understand the term 'illustrative purposes'. Lol.
Such a great communicator that you quote him word for word.
Including the stutters.
Kin ell, that IS a sophisticated communication style. Ramble like a tramp on a 10 pint bender so that everyone will stop and listen more carefully!
Genius.
I know we just accept that Johnson lies as easily as he breathes, but it's important to keep on pointing it out.
https://mobile.twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1272929159740784640
Does anyone really believe he only became aware of Rashford's campaign very...err...very recen...to-today actually?
Cheers TT. I think my kid will be ok. He is regularly bubbling up with things he wants to say and I think it overwhelms him. In his case I think it's just a case of needing to be a little calmer. But yes it is very upsetting for him when it happens. Good to hear that you controlled it and I hope it is something that didn't affect you too badly.
People are furloughed, some self employed have had nothing, a lot of people will lose their job, and Johnsons plane is having a make over because he doesn’t like the colour of it, really?
https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnsons-jet-gets-austin-powers-makeover-12007923
BST
Sorry to hear about your son.
I had a bad stammer when I was a kid.
It's a terrible affliction and saps all your confidence and self worth.
I gradually got over it by initially avoiding words that began with W and D and replacing them with summat else. But it's always there.
Obviously there's more help for sufferers nowadays.
To this day, if I'm anxious or excited and a problem word is coming up it can resurface but I hide it well.
I've known Donnywolf for 40 years and I bet he's no idea about this.
People are furloughed, some self employed have had nothing, a lot of people will lose their job, and Johnsons plane is having a make over because he doesn’t like the colour of it, really?
https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnsons-jet-gets-austin-powers-makeover-12007923
The sheer cost of the program coupled with the fact that the MoD completely failed to do their due diligence shows us that there is no scenario where the PFI contract is value for money. Without the exact numbers being available to us we are only able to make best guesses and despite this we can only conclude that the taxpayer has been completely ripped off!
PMQs again - god it makes me s-p-e-w
Yes I know what the alternative is as I had a workmate who moaned every morning after Cannon and Ball had been on. He complained about every sketch and sometimes every facet of every Sketch
Arguably I should do the same as we used to say to him - just dont f*****g watch it.
PMQs again - god it makes me s-p-e-w
Yes I know what the alternative is as I had a workmate who moaned every morning after Cannon and Ball had been on. He complained about every sketch and sometimes every facet of every Sketch
Arguably I should do the same as we used to say to him - just dont f*****g watch it.
Someone should tell him what PMQ's is about. It is for the leader of the opposition to question the PM not the other way round you useless pillock.
Grayling is back
Grayling is back
Hello Hello
Mon: abolishes free parking for NHS workers
Tues: announces tax cuts for private landlords & 2nd home owners
Wed: abolishes free TV Licences for pensioners
can't fund £120m for free school dinners but can offer £500m to subsidise those perfectly able to pay to go to Nandos
I think you find that's - shameless, gutless coward - Syd
Mon: abolishes free parking for NHS workersBut can still spend 900k for a paint job on his plane!
Tues: announces tax cuts for private landlords & 2nd home owners
Wed: abolishes free TV Licences for pensioners
can't fund £120m for free school dinners but can offer £500m to subsidise those perfectly able to pay to go to Nandos
I think you find that's - shameless, gutless coward - Syd
Mon: abolishes free parking for NHS workersBut can still spend 900k for a paint job on his plane!
Tues: announces tax cuts for private landlords & 2nd home owners
Wed: abolishes free TV Licences for pensioners
can't fund £120m for free school dinners but can offer £500m to subsidise those perfectly able to pay to go to Nandos
I think you find that's - shameless, gutless coward - Syd
Mon: abolishes free parking for NHS workersBut can still spend 900k for a paint job on his plane!
Tues: announces tax cuts for private landlords & 2nd home owners
Wed: abolishes free TV Licences for pensioners
can't fund £120m for free school dinners but can offer £500m to subsidise those perfectly able to pay to go to Nandos
I think you find that's - shameless, gutless coward - Syd
It looked like a Russian plane ? And .....?Mon: abolishes free parking for NHS workersBut can still spend 900k for a paint job on his plane!
Tues: announces tax cuts for private landlords & 2nd home owners
Wed: abolishes free TV Licences for pensioners
can't fund £120m for free school dinners but can offer £500m to subsidise those perfectly able to pay to go to Nandos
I think you find that's - shameless, gutless coward - Syd
it looked like A russian plane before. i suppose you checked this out before you went "points scoring" ( by the way the bloke is a bit of an pratt wearing a blue mask -- but i'm not telling you anything new )
here's your homework
https://www.aircraftcompare.com/blog/how-are-airplanes-painted/#a-step-by-step-guide-to-painting-an-airplane
It looked like a Russian plane ? And .....?Mon: abolishes free parking for NHS workersBut can still spend 900k for a paint job on his plane!
Tues: announces tax cuts for private landlords & 2nd home owners
Wed: abolishes free TV Licences for pensioners
can't fund £120m for free school dinners but can offer £500m to subsidise those perfectly able to pay to go to Nandos
I think you find that's - shameless, gutless coward - Syd
it looked like A russian plane before. i suppose you checked this out before you went "points scoring" ( by the way the bloke is a bit of an pratt wearing a blue mask -- but i'm not telling you anything new )
here's your homework
https://www.aircraftcompare.com/blog/how-are-airplanes-painted/#a-step-by-step-guide-to-painting-an-airplane
Points scoring?
voters must 'turn a blind eye' to the obnoxious side of johnson which has been well documented and really hard to ignore, why would you vote for someone that you wouldn't want in you home.
voters must 'turn a blind eye' to the obnoxious side of johnson which has been well documented and really hard to ignore, why would you vote for someone that you wouldn't want in you home.
Would KS be as attractive to voters if he was known as a cheat a liar and a charlatan?
But surely people aren’t voting for the man, they are voting for the Party.
voters must 'turn a blind eye' to the obnoxious side of johnson which has been well documented and really hard to ignore, why would you vote for someone that you wouldn't want in you home.
But surely people aren’t voting for the man, they are voting for the Party.
voters must 'turn a blind eye' to the obnoxious side of johnson which has been well documented and really hard to ignore, why would you vote for someone that you wouldn't want in you home.
But surely people aren’t voting for the man, they are voting for the Party.
voters must 'turn a blind eye' to the obnoxious side of johnson which has been well documented and really hard to ignore, why would you vote for someone that you wouldn't want in you home.
But surely people aren’t voting for the man, they are voting for the Party.
voters must 'turn a blind eye' to the obnoxious side of johnson which has been well documented and really hard to ignore, why would you vote for someone that you wouldn't want in you home.
But surely people aren’t voting for the man, they are voting for the Party.
voters must 'turn a blind eye' to the obnoxious side of johnson which has been well documented and really hard to ignore, why would you vote for someone that you wouldn't want in you home.
But surely people aren’t voting for the man, they are voting for the Party.
They vote for their MP.
voters must 'turn a blind eye' to the obnoxious side of johnson which has been well documented and really hard to ignore, why would you vote for someone that you wouldn't want in you home.
But surely people aren’t voting for the man, they are voting for the Party.
They vote for their MP.
Hound.
Why do you do this?
It's very simple.
People are SUPPOSED to vote for their MP as a person.
Obviously, the overwhelming majority of people don't.
Did that really need spelling out?
Hound.
If you've read my post and still stand by what you said, I assume you didn't understand my post.
My argument was, in simple terms:
1) People who said they weren't voting Labour because...Corbyn were fundamentally misunderstanding the dynamics in the Labour party because Corbyn was always going to be severely constrained by a dissenting Parliamentary Labour party. The key thing for the Corbyn-hating voters to decide was "If I vote Labour, will my MP support Corbyn unconditionally or constrain him." Not "I hate Corbyn therefore I'm not voting Labour."
2) People who said they were voting Tory because...Johnson, were much more correct, in that Johnson now effectively IS the Tory party, or more accurately, the Tory party is simply a vehicle for implementing what Cummings/Johnson want. The dissenters have been booted out, so now if you vote Tory you ARE voting to enable Johnson/Cummings
If only the world were as black and white as you seem to want it to be.
He’ll suspend MP’s for voting against the Government, but won’t suspend an MP facing an allegation of rape
https://news.sky.com/story/conservative-party-criticised-for-not-suspending-mp-arrested-on-suspicion-of-rape-12040997
He’ll suspend MP’s for voting against the Government, but won’t suspend an MP facing an allegation of rape
https://news.sky.com/story/conservative-party-criticised-for-not-suspending-mp-arrested-on-suspicion-of-rape-12040997
The problem is if they suspend him they in effect publicly name him.
Two weeks after the Russia Report expressed incredulity that the Johnson Govt had refused to investigate Russian interference in British politics, Johnson finally acts.
He gives a peerage to Yevgeny Lebedev. That's a Russian oligarch, media magnate and son of a leading KGB officer now given the keys to the heart of Govt.
Anyone give a f**k anymore? Or is anything acceptable as long as you get your Brexit?
the bullingdon club was all boys too. Women don't appear to rate in johnson's world.
''It's a boys club': Johnson accused of running ‘blokey’ government
Insiders say the prime minister’s Whitehall shake-up highlights the power of a small inner circle of men''
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/11/its-a-boys-club-johnson-accused-of-running-blokey-government
Boris's new Spitting Image puppet is class - may change my avatar...
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/e048db38e64ae0337b58d7cd3ca5ac6d80450bd6/0_385_3500_2099/master/3500.jpg?width=605&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=1e5410a2f837f4684089bc72ef6e2fcc)
Showing Boris with a dumbell is as daft as showing Cyril Smith eating a salad.
It would only ever happen for a photo shoot.
... and where exactly IS he (again)
Due a holiday I suppose but ffs Nero fiddled while Rome burnt
I am sure he is familiar with that saying
I recall someone on here saying Johnson liked the idea of being PM and will love the fact that one day he will have been PM and have the legacy BUT its just the bit in between he is not keen on
... and where exactly IS he (again)
Due a holiday I suppose but ffs Nero fiddled while Rome burnt
I am sure he is familiar with that saying
I recall someone on here saying Johnson liked the idea of being PM and will love the fact that one day he will have been PM and have the legacy BUT its just the bit in between he is not keen on
just ask yourself who is a "compulsive poster" on any topic on here and you will have the answer. :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
... and where exactly IS he (again)
Due a holiday I suppose but ffs Nero fiddled while Rome burnt
I am sure he is familiar with that saying
I recall someone on here saying Johnson liked the idea of being PM and will love the fact that one day he will have been PM and have the legacy BUT its just the bit in between he is not keen on
just ask yourself who is a "compulsive poster" on any topic on here and you will have the answer. :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
Err that's you isn't it?
I believe it was me that first posted it (although other posters have since quoted it) from this fantastic Marina Hyde article:
The thing about Johnson is that he desperately wanted to become prime minister, and he desperately wanted to have been prime minister. It’s just the bit in between he struggles with. With Othello, it was jealousy. Macbeth: ambition. Lear: pride. Johnson: career liar, hollowed out by narcissism, who not even his friends would joke was motivated by public service.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/26/dominic-cummings-boris-johnson-terrified-sack-him
He's here somewhere
... and where exactly IS he (again)
Due a holiday I suppose but ffs Nero fiddled while Rome burnt
I am sure he is familiar with that saying
I recall someone on here saying Johnson liked the idea of being PM and will love the fact that one day he will have been PM and have the legacy BUT its just the bit in between he is not keen on
just ask yourself who is a "compulsive poster" on any topic on here and you will have the answer. :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
Err that's you isn't it?
I believe it was me that first posted it (although other posters have since quoted it) from this fantastic Marina Hyde article:
The thing about Johnson is that he desperately wanted to become prime minister, and he desperately wanted to have been prime minister. It’s just the bit in between he struggles with. With Othello, it was jealousy. Macbeth: ambition. Lear: pride. Johnson: career liar, hollowed out by narcissism, who not even his friends would joke was motivated by public service.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/26/dominic-cummings-boris-johnson-terrified-sack-him
''Alexei Navalny novichok finding prompts calls for answers from Moscow
Angela Merkel says poisoning was attempted murder and White House calls it ‘reprehensible''
Surely johnson's playmates will be pushing him to investigate russian interference in UK politics after they have been caught again involved in state sanctioned murder?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/02/alexei-navalny-poisoned-with-novichok-says-german-government-russia
This is probably his worst PMQ’s yet
https://youtu.be/rHi9CHOkWDM
This is probably his worst PMQ’s yet
https://youtu.be/rHi9CHOkWDM
It’s almost like Starmer is playing with him.
I see he said in his Zoom call with Tory MPs last night that he "will not countenance the threat of a border down the Irish Sea".
Which is odd because everyone who looked at the WA that he signed to such acclaim last year knew it was placing a border in the Irish Sea.
And then he insisted it didn't place a border in the Irish Sea.
Only two possibilities here.
1) He's as thick as a bucket of monkey spunk.
2) He's a liar.
You choose folks. There is literally no other possibility.
Mea culpa ...... the only 2 Latin words not to have been trotted out by Liar JohnsonYou could have given a credit to Gordon Brown for that one 😅
He doesn't want the party to return to ''miserable squabbling'' over brexit ........never disagree with anything is all?
If the rest of the pack swallow this they'll swallow anything
I wonder if the MP for Don Valley is a yes man?
Depressingly, predictably we are finally at the end game.
As some of us have been saying for 4 years, Brexit always had two core problems.
1) You could have a Brexit that kept us economically close to the EU. That required us to agree to abide by the same economic rules. It would minimise the economic hit. It wouldn't cause a problem for NI, either with GB or with Ireland. But that wasn't acceptable to the red meat Brexit Death Cult because it meant we weren't fully independent of the EU.
2) OK. So you could have a Brexit that much more severely cut us off from the EU. That would lead to big economic harm, however you dress it up. But let's park that for a moment, because there's a problem that some of us pointed out in early 2016, and which Johnson said "wasn't beyond the wit of man" to solve, and called "Project Fear". It was that if we in GB cut ourselves off from the EU, that left a massive problem in NI. Either NI followed GB in cutting ties with the EU. But that would mean a hard border with Ireland and went against the Good Friday Accord. Or NI stayed closely connected to the EU, but that meant a de facto border in the Irish Sea, and a partial separation of NI from the rest of the UK.
There's no political opinion in the above. It's just a matter of really, REALLY f**king simple logic. But no-one and I mean absolutely NO-ONE on the Brexit side has properly engaged with that.
Johnson dealt with it by taking Option 2 in the Withdrawal Agreement that he screamed was such a success. Then he lied through his lying teeth throughout the Election campaign, saying it did not require a border in the Irish Sea, when in fact the WA that he signed explicitly said precisely that it would. He did what he has done throughout his career. Acted impulsively under pressure then lied about it.
Now.
Now we are finally at the endgame. Time has run out. There's no more road down which to kick the can. No more time to bullshit and blather and ignore the logic of Brexit. It is staring us in the face. So what does he do? He screams from the pages of the Telegraph today that the EU is trying to break up the EU.
He KNOWS he has led us into an utter f**king nightmare, aided by voters who refused to engage in debate above the "you lost:f**king deal with it" type when other people pointed these things out to them. And what he is doing now is a final go at making sure the Brexit Death Cult blame the EU for all the problems that we are now going to wade our way through.
I cannot fully express how much I despise that man. He's done what he was always prepared to do. Burn the whole structure down and f**k up everything to get him what he wants.
The problem here is that we don’t have enough political commentators to hold these people to account anymore. Newspaper journalism has gone to the dogs. TV political journalism was being propped up by Andrew Neil who has now scandalously been dropped by the BBC, who seem to feel that a nice touchy feely approach is what we need (see bbc breakfast). Consequently these lying Tories are allowed to get away with peddling their bullshit on tv unchallenged!!
Same old tactic from Boris.
Keep on blaming someone else over and over (this time the EU again) and the moribund public who can't be arsed to show any interest will think it must be true.
It's only just dawned on me. He's doing the f**king Trump playbook isn't he?
https://mobile.twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1304705114637316096
1) Deny objective reality that anyone who properly looks at the issue can clearly see.
2) Identify "The Other" as the problem and the threat.
3) Treat your supporters with utter contempt, by assuming they are too f**king thick to see this, and instead are semi-sentient bundles of emotion to be prodded and herded in the direction you want.
I honestly never in my most dystopian nightmares ever thought I'd see a UK PM acting like this.
I see he said in his Zoom call with Tory MPs last night that he "will not countenance the threat of a border down the Irish Sea".
Which is odd because everyone who looked at the WA that he signed to such acclaim last year knew it was placing a border in the Irish Sea.
And then he insisted it didn't place a border in the Irish Sea.
Only two possibilities here.
1) He's as thick as a bucket of monkey spunk.
2) He's a liar.
You choose folks. There is literally no other possibility.
Cant believe he can look at himself in a mirror in a morning because
a) he always looks like a rag-bag akin to Worzel G
B) he must KNOW deep down that barely a truth ever comes out of the Brain / Lips of the face he he looking at yet "it" keeps doing it
Personally I car not a bit about a) cos I am not much better but b) is really serious and he and his Advisor and minions are presiding over a complete mess - quite the worst Govt of any colour I have had the misfortune to live under
And here's a weird one.
Alexander Lebedev is an ex-KGB colonel. He owns a mansion in the hills outside Perugia in Italy.
Johnson is mates with his son and recently gave him a peerage.
Perugia airport say that Johnson flew to Perugia last week.
No.10 spokesman vigorously denies it. He says Johnson was at his son's christening, although oddly, for a PM who thrives on publicity and recently published a load of photos of his (current) family on holiday, No10 say they won't be releasing any photos of the christening.
I'm sure it's all nothing...
And here's a weird one.
Alexander Lebedev is an ex-KGB colonel. He owns a mansion in the hills outside Perugia in Italy.
Johnson is mates with his son and recently gave him a peerage.
Perugia airport say that Johnson flew to Perugia last week.
No.10 spokesman vigorously denies it. He says Johnson was at his son's christening, although oddly, for a PM who thrives on publicity and recently published a load of photos of his (current) family on holiday, No10 say they won't be releasing any photos of the christening.
I'm sure it's all nothing...
And here's a weird one.
Alexander Lebedev is an ex-KGB colonel. He owns a mansion in the hills outside Perugia in Italy.
Johnson is mates with his son and recently gave him a peerage.
Perugia airport say that Johnson flew to Perugia last week.
No.10 spokesman vigorously denies it. He says Johnson was at his son's christening, although oddly, for a PM who thrives on publicity and recently published a load of photos of his (current) family on holiday, No10 say they won't be releasing any photos of the christening.
I'm sure it's all nothing...
......and it was all nothing.
And here's a weird one.
Alexander Lebedev is an ex-KGB colonel. He owns a mansion in the hills outside Perugia in Italy.
Johnson is mates with his son and recently gave him a peerage.
Perugia airport say that Johnson flew to Perugia last week.
No.10 spokesman vigorously denies it. He says Johnson was at his son's christening, although oddly, for a PM who thrives on publicity and recently published a load of photos of his (current) family on holiday, No10 say they won't be releasing any photos of the christening.
I'm sure it's all nothing...
......and it was all nothing.
It was Lebedev's castle where Johnson went to a party whilst Foreign Secretary but without his security detail wasn't it?
I did think we was looking a bit bronzed at PMQ's last week. Must have invested in a new sunlamp.
And here's a weird one.
Alexander Lebedev is an ex-KGB colonel. He owns a mansion in the hills outside Perugia in Italy.
Johnson is mates with his son and recently gave him a peerage.
Perugia airport say that Johnson flew to Perugia last week.
No.10 spokesman vigorously denies it. He says Johnson was at his son's christening, although oddly, for a PM who thrives on publicity and recently published a load of photos of his (current) family on holiday, No10 say they won't be releasing any photos of the christening.
I'm sure it's all nothing...
......and it was all nothing.
It was Lebedev's castle where Johnson went to a party whilst Foreign Secretary but without his security detail wasn't it?
I did think we was looking a bit bronzed at PMQ's last week. Must have invested in a new sunlamp.
Was it where he went?
And here's a weird one.
Alexander Lebedev is an ex-KGB colonel. He owns a mansion in the hills outside Perugia in Italy.
Johnson is mates with his son and recently gave him a peerage.
Perugia airport say that Johnson flew to Perugia last week.
No.10 spokesman vigorously denies it. He says Johnson was at his son's christening, although oddly, for a PM who thrives on publicity and recently published a load of photos of his (current) family on holiday, No10 say they won't be releasing any photos of the christening.
I'm sure it's all nothing...
......and it was all nothing.
It was Lebedev's castle where Johnson went to a party whilst Foreign Secretary but without his security detail wasn't it?
I did think we was looking a bit bronzed at PMQ's last week. Must have invested in a new sunlamp.
Was it where he went?
Well seeing as neither you nor I can be bothered to google it to check hound, I amm sure someone will let us know...
And here's a weird one.
Alexander Lebedev is an ex-KGB colonel. He owns a mansion in the hills outside Perugia in Italy.
Johnson is mates with his son and recently gave him a peerage.
Perugia airport say that Johnson flew to Perugia last week.
No.10 spokesman vigorously denies it. He says Johnson was at his son's christening, although oddly, for a PM who thrives on publicity and recently published a load of photos of his (current) family on holiday, No10 say they won't be releasing any photos of the christening.
I'm sure it's all nothing...
......and it was all nothing.
It was Lebedev's castle where Johnson went to a party whilst Foreign Secretary but without his security detail wasn't it?
I did think we was looking a bit bronzed at PMQ's last week. Must have invested in a new sunlamp.
Was it where he went?
Well seeing as neither you nor I can be bothered to google it to check hound, I amm sure someone will let us know...
Mmmmm, apparently he went there last week according to something I read recently.
That turned out to be not true so I guess a google search and answer might not be true either.
A lot of people can't believe he's the PM so there you go.
Twelve hours on from the tv broadcast and only three comments.
Perhaps was he said wasn’t too disagreeable.
My understanding was that Johnson wasn't making an announcement on that. He was talking about work training. And in the Q&A afterwards, a journalist asked him whether people were allowed to meet in pub beer gardens in Newcastle. Absolutely ridiculous.
My understanding was that Johnson wasn't making an announcement on that. He was talking about work training. And in the Q&A afterwards, a journalist asked him whether people were allowed to meet in pub beer gardens in Newcastle. Absolutely ridiculous.
I understand your point BST but - and I may be wrong - didn’t this come a few hours after one of his ministers couldn’t answer the similar question on the radio this morning.?
You would have thought that after that broadcast there would be a PDQ briefing to all ministers likely to be interviewed today on what they could/should say.
A first misunderstanding is acceptable but to not be prepared for the subsequent similar questioning smacks of further incompetence..
I agree with you in principle on the questioning technique but taken in context of the day’s proceedings it’s a bit of an own goal.?
What absolutely amazes me is that people actually think he and the bunch of idiots he surrounds himself with are doing a good job!!!
What absolutely amazes me is that people actually think he and the bunch of idiots he surrounds himself with are doing a good job!!!
My understanding was that Johnson wasn't making an announcement on that. He was talking about work training. And in the Q&A afterwards, a journalist asked him whether people were allowed to meet in pub beer gardens in Newcastle. Absolutely ridiculous.
Who was he frantically looking at to his left whilst he continued to splutter and mumble. Why should he not know the procedures. Is he not actually in charge of this set of clowns?
Dianne Abbott being interviewed on Look North on funding for Leeds Hospital:
'I don't know how much Leeds will get, does anyone have the number for Leeds...'
https://twitter.com/BBCLookNorth/status/1312083455254110209
... and while evr I am able to do so or until she f***s off I will reply in kind with this
https://www.express.co.uk/videos/6148766208001/Priti-Patel-reveals-number-of-Coronavirus-tests-carried-out-in-UK
... and while evr I am able to do so or until she f***s off I will reply in kind with this
https://www.express.co.uk/videos/6148766208001/Priti-Patel-reveals-number-of-Coronavirus-tests-carried-out-in-UK
As soon as I see the Daily Express logo against anything online I instantly ignore it as I know it will be either Tory party propaganda or lies
... and while evr I am able to do so or until she f***s off I will reply in kind with this
https://www.express.co.uk/videos/6148766208001/Priti-Patel-reveals-number-of-Coronavirus-tests-carried-out-in-UK
As soon as I see the Daily Express logo against anything online I instantly ignore it as I know it will be either Tory party propaganda or lies
I wonder if he's been spinning a story to Carrie?
I wonder if he's been spinning a story to Carrie?
He was still with his second wife when he was f**king Arcuri. He left her for Symonds a few years later, just after she'd been diagnosed with cancer.
Nice man, isn't he?
I wonder if he's been spinning a story to Carrie?
On the bbc news this morning they said that the £60m that was offered is still on the table.
On the bbc news this morning they said that the £60m that was offered is still on the table.
So why is the whole of South Yorkshire only getting £41M
On the bbc news this morning they said that the £60m that was offered is still on the table.
So why is the whole of South Yorkshire only getting £41M
On the bbc news this morning they said that the £60m that was offered is still on the table.
So why is the whole of South Yorkshire only getting £41M
41 Mill is less than Jenrick baled his mate out when he stepped in - and saved him £50 mill
Bent if you ask me.
It would be sensible to extend the lockdown by a further two weeks to mid December so that the rate has come down sufficiently enough to allow people to get together by Christmas.
People will do that anyway so why not make it safer to do so.
It would be sensible to extend the lockdown by a further two weeks to mid December so that the rate has come down sufficiently enough to allow people to get together by Christmas.
People will do that anyway so why not make it safer to do so.
Time it to coincide with the Christmas school holidays if they're intent on extending but not for a matter of months.
I may be wrong here but I don't think I've witnessed another period of government that has involved so much litigation either by themselves or by others against them than over the past few years.
''UK government fails to publish details of