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People refer to London as no longer English because they claim its British culture has diminished. It's a bit like the Spanish claiming Benidorm is no longer culturally a Spanish city, although it only has around 10% foreign residency. London has around 37% foreign residency.
anyone remember this2011 Census: 45% of Londoners white Britishwhich makes you wonder what the 2021 (?) percentage washttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20680565and this Quote from: Colemans Left Hook on November 30, 2023, 12:57:40 am AS usual make your own decision - Mrs Coleman said "How does he manage when he is walking down the street ?" "BBC Radio 5 Live presenter Nihal Arthanayake has said an “overwhelmingly white” working environment is affecting his mental health."https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/other/bbc-presenter-says-overwhelmingly-white-workplace-affects-his-mental-health/ar-AA1kIVmj?ocid=msedgntp&pc=ACTS&cvid=5b5d001c673a4dc8acd7383b77c4fb72&ei=21BBC Radio 5 Live presenter Nihal Arthanayake has said an “overwhelmingly white” working environment is affecting his mental health.~~~~~~~~~~~~~The presenter told a journalism diversity conference on Wednesday: “It’s really affecting me that I walk in and all I see is white people.”His colleagues’ response when he told them this was to reply defensively that they were not being racist, he claimed as he said that was missing the point.Speaking at the Journalism Diversity Fund (JDF) conference at BBC Media City in Salford, he said: “I’ve seen a lot of people leave this building because they couldn’t deal with the culture.”He also said others found they had to try to be a certain type of person to progress with the broadcaster, adding: “If you want journalists to progress, they have to be who they are.”“I don’t think there’s a single Muslim involved in the senior editorial processes” at BBC Radio 5 Live, he added.He went on: “The hardest thing is to walk into a room, look around and nobody looks like you.”The presenter made the comments in an on-stage interview with Jo Adetunji, editor of The Conversation, at the JDF’s annual equality, diversity and inclusion conference organised by the NCTJ, which trains new journalists.The JDF awards bursaries to aspiring journalists from diverse backgrounds who do not have the financial means to support themselves through their training. here's the punchline ..... Mr Arthanayake added that he has noticed a difference since moving north after living in London for 20 years. He said: “Since moving up here, being called the P-word – that didn’t happen in London. You’d get a slap for that in London, not even from me.”Following the interview, Cheryl Varley, a BBC Radio 5 Live producer, said the organisation is committed to tackling the lack of diversity in its newsrooms.
AS usual make your own decision - Mrs Coleman said "How does he manage when he is walking down the street ?" "BBC Radio 5 Live presenter Nihal Arthanayake has said an “overwhelmingly white” working environment is affecting his mental health."https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/other/bbc-presenter-says-overwhelmingly-white-workplace-affects-his-mental-health/ar-AA1kIVmj?ocid=msedgntp&pc=ACTS&cvid=5b5d001c673a4dc8acd7383b77c4fb72&ei=21BBC Radio 5 Live presenter Nihal Arthanayake has said an “overwhelmingly white” working environment is affecting his mental health.~~~~~~~~~~~~~The presenter told a journalism diversity conference on Wednesday: “It’s really affecting me that I walk in and all I see is white people.”His colleagues’ response when he told them this was to reply defensively that they were not being racist, he claimed as he said that was missing the point.Speaking at the Journalism Diversity Fund (JDF) conference at BBC Media City in Salford, he said: “I’ve seen a lot of people leave this building because they couldn’t deal with the culture.”He also said others found they had to try to be a certain type of person to progress with the broadcaster, adding: “If you want journalists to progress, they have to be who they are.”“I don’t think there’s a single Muslim involved in the senior editorial processes” at BBC Radio 5 Live, he added.He went on: “The hardest thing is to walk into a room, look around and nobody looks like you.”The presenter made the comments in an on-stage interview with Jo Adetunji, editor of The Conversation, at the JDF’s annual equality, diversity and inclusion conference organised by the NCTJ, which trains new journalists.The JDF awards bursaries to aspiring journalists from diverse backgrounds who do not have the financial means to support themselves through their training. here's the punchline ..... Mr Arthanayake added that he has noticed a difference since moving north after living in London for 20 years. He said: “Since moving up here, being called the P-word – that didn’t happen in London. You’d get a slap for that in London, not even from me.”Following the interview, Cheryl Varley, a BBC Radio 5 Live producer, said the organisation is committed to tackling the lack of diversity in its newsrooms.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on March 10, 2024, 09:24:05 amPeople refer to London as no longer English because they claim its British culture has diminished. It's a bit like the Spanish claiming Benidorm is no longer culturally a Spanish city, although it only has around 10% foreign residency. London has around 37% foreign residency..... A bit like Aboriginal culture being diminished in Australia.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on March 10, 2024, 09:33:59 amQuote from: Bentley Bullet on March 10, 2024, 09:24:05 amPeople refer to London as no longer English because they claim its British culture has diminished. It's a bit like the Spanish claiming Benidorm is no longer culturally a Spanish city, although it only has around 10% foreign residency. London has around 37% foreign residency..... A bit like Aboriginal culture being diminished in Australia.Aboriginal culture is right there bb, but just like in London, It's that it has change and evolved is all and it scares some people apparently.
I’m genuinely interested to know why anyone would claim that London isn’t an English city anymore? What is behind this, specifically? Is it non-white people living here, the number of different languages spoken, maybe different religions? Or could it be the number of foreign cars on the roads, maybe it’s too many Chinese takeaways, or possibly that many folk who do the most ‘menial’ jobs are of foreign descent? I’m not going to accuse anyone of being racist but I’d like to know, specifically, what it is about London that makes it ‘no longer English’? Oh, and for the record, I’m sure that every single person of colour that I know and living in London classes themselves as English. They get up and go to work, they like to relax in front of the telly, some of them like a pint, most go to the football (West Ham & Spurs mostly), they want England to win at the cricket (There you go Norman Tebbitt), and they joined in the street parties for the Queens birthday. A couple of them even served in the armed forces too. They just happen to have skin that’s tinted a bit differently to mine. So, if I need to tell them that their city isn’t English anymore then I’d appreciate a bit of rationale if possible?
Quote from: Iberian Red on March 09, 2024, 10:42:02 pmQuote from: Pancho Regan on March 09, 2024, 10:28:00 pmQuote from: Iberian Red on March 09, 2024, 01:57:32 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on March 09, 2024, 01:42:06 pmQuote from: selby on March 09, 2024, 11:51:50 am Apparently the entertainment and night time economy is bombing, not surprising with the transport costs the Labour regime in power have imposed on the place and it not being seen as safe as many would like with knife crime and muggins an epidemic. Plus it isn't really an English city anymore is it? and you go on holiday for a change of entertainment and its cheaper.Not sure where you’ve got your info from Selby, but as a long time resident of our fair capital I can assure you that public transport down here is light years ahead of the rest of the country. It’s fairly cheap, very convenient and pretty safe. As River Don points out, a night out down here (in the centre of London anyway) isn’t cheap at all. £7 a pint isn’t unusual. Young ‘uns these days simply can’t afford it very often. Saying that, you’ll struggle to find an empty boozer in the west end on an evening. About it not being an English city anymore, what makes you say that?Ignorance.Ignorance.Bigotry.Racism.They do tend to go hand in hand don't they Pancho.They do indeed IR.Selby, or one of his mates, might be along soon to tell us he was just casting his bait in order to catch one of us stupid, unsuspecting, ‘woke’ lefties.
Quote from: Pancho Regan on March 09, 2024, 10:28:00 pmQuote from: Iberian Red on March 09, 2024, 01:57:32 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on March 09, 2024, 01:42:06 pmQuote from: selby on March 09, 2024, 11:51:50 am Apparently the entertainment and night time economy is bombing, not surprising with the transport costs the Labour regime in power have imposed on the place and it not being seen as safe as many would like with knife crime and muggins an epidemic. Plus it isn't really an English city anymore is it? and you go on holiday for a change of entertainment and its cheaper.Not sure where you’ve got your info from Selby, but as a long time resident of our fair capital I can assure you that public transport down here is light years ahead of the rest of the country. It’s fairly cheap, very convenient and pretty safe. As River Don points out, a night out down here (in the centre of London anyway) isn’t cheap at all. £7 a pint isn’t unusual. Young ‘uns these days simply can’t afford it very often. Saying that, you’ll struggle to find an empty boozer in the west end on an evening. About it not being an English city anymore, what makes you say that?Ignorance.Ignorance.Bigotry.Racism.They do tend to go hand in hand don't they Pancho.
Quote from: Iberian Red on March 09, 2024, 01:57:32 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on March 09, 2024, 01:42:06 pmQuote from: selby on March 09, 2024, 11:51:50 am Apparently the entertainment and night time economy is bombing, not surprising with the transport costs the Labour regime in power have imposed on the place and it not being seen as safe as many would like with knife crime and muggins an epidemic. Plus it isn't really an English city anymore is it? and you go on holiday for a change of entertainment and its cheaper.Not sure where you’ve got your info from Selby, but as a long time resident of our fair capital I can assure you that public transport down here is light years ahead of the rest of the country. It’s fairly cheap, very convenient and pretty safe. As River Don points out, a night out down here (in the centre of London anyway) isn’t cheap at all. £7 a pint isn’t unusual. Young ‘uns these days simply can’t afford it very often. Saying that, you’ll struggle to find an empty boozer in the west end on an evening. About it not being an English city anymore, what makes you say that?Ignorance.Ignorance.Bigotry.Racism.
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on March 09, 2024, 01:42:06 pmQuote from: selby on March 09, 2024, 11:51:50 am Apparently the entertainment and night time economy is bombing, not surprising with the transport costs the Labour regime in power have imposed on the place and it not being seen as safe as many would like with knife crime and muggins an epidemic. Plus it isn't really an English city anymore is it? and you go on holiday for a change of entertainment and its cheaper.Not sure where you’ve got your info from Selby, but as a long time resident of our fair capital I can assure you that public transport down here is light years ahead of the rest of the country. It’s fairly cheap, very convenient and pretty safe. As River Don points out, a night out down here (in the centre of London anyway) isn’t cheap at all. £7 a pint isn’t unusual. Young ‘uns these days simply can’t afford it very often. Saying that, you’ll struggle to find an empty boozer in the west end on an evening. About it not being an English city anymore, what makes you say that?Ignorance.
Quote from: selby on March 09, 2024, 11:51:50 am Apparently the entertainment and night time economy is bombing, not surprising with the transport costs the Labour regime in power have imposed on the place and it not being seen as safe as many would like with knife crime and muggins an epidemic. Plus it isn't really an English city anymore is it? and you go on holiday for a change of entertainment and its cheaper.Not sure where you’ve got your info from Selby, but as a long time resident of our fair capital I can assure you that public transport down here is light years ahead of the rest of the country. It’s fairly cheap, very convenient and pretty safe. As River Don points out, a night out down here (in the centre of London anyway) isn’t cheap at all. £7 a pint isn’t unusual. Young ‘uns these days simply can’t afford it very often. Saying that, you’ll struggle to find an empty boozer in the west end on an evening. About it not being an English city anymore, what makes you say that?
Apparently the entertainment and night time economy is bombing, not surprising with the transport costs the Labour regime in power have imposed on the place and it not being seen as safe as many would like with knife crime and muggins an epidemic. Plus it isn't really an English city anymore is it? and you go on holiday for a change of entertainment and its cheaper.
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on March 10, 2024, 08:32:07 amI’m genuinely interested to know why anyone would claim that London isn’t an English city anymore? What is behind this, specifically? Is it non-white people living here, the number of different languages spoken, maybe different religions? Or could it be the number of foreign cars on the roads, maybe it’s too many Chinese takeaways, or possibly that many folk who do the most ‘menial’ jobs are of foreign descent? I’m not going to accuse anyone of being racist but I’d like to know, specifically, what it is about London that makes it ‘no longer English’? Oh, and for the record, I’m sure that every single person of colour that I know and living in London classes themselves as English. They get up and go to work, they like to relax in front of the telly, some of them like a pint, most go to the football (West Ham & Spurs mostly), they want England to win at the cricket (There you go Norman Tebbitt), and they joined in the street parties for the Queens birthday. A couple of them even served in the armed forces too. They just happen to have skin that’s tinted a bit differently to mine. So, if I need to tell them that their city isn’t English anymore then I’d appreciate a bit of rationale if possible?Because of the vast and diverse amount of different cultures, colours, creeds, and religions. If that makes me a racist to Billy and his cohort of lefty bedwetting snowflakes on this forum, then I couldn't care less. In the real world, talking to sane moderate people is where you find the real consensus. People like them live in a tiny microcosm, reading the guardian and socialist social media channels, talking to other like minded people on their hard left forums, it just serves to fuel their hard left radical views. So when they poke their heads out into the real world, they become shocked that regular people don't think the same way. So no london isn't an English city, its a global city. Englishness is being pushed out, like the celts were by the saxons. I'll finish by asking just how diversity is our strength? As the mayor of said city said once after a terror attack.
This says it all really, things are so bad that the Capital city is a dangerous unsafe place for members of the Jewish faith every weekend!And a great deal of this is immigrant communities isolating, and polarising into groups where they don’t have to integrate into British society or even bother to learn to speak English,the Woke privileged left wing elements of our society are to blame, and we are heading down the same road as Sweden!Adviser warns London a 'no-go zone for Jews every weekend' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68508351
Quote from: Sprotyrover on March 10, 2024, 02:10:18 pmThis says it all really, things are so bad that the Capital city is a dangerous unsafe place for members of the Jewish faith every weekend!And a great deal of this is immigrant communities isolating, and polarising into groups where they don’t have to integrate into British society or even bother to learn to speak English,the Woke privileged left wing elements of our society are to blame, and we are heading down the same road as Sweden!Adviser warns London a 'no-go zone for Jews every weekend' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68508351I wonder if your parents felt the same way sprot?
Quote from: Sprotyrover on March 10, 2024, 02:10:18 pmThis says it all really, things are so bad that the Capital city is a dangerous unsafe place for members of the Jewish faith every weekend!And a great deal of this is immigrant communities isolating, and polarising into groups where they don’t have to integrate into British society or even bother to learn to speak English,the Woke privileged left wing elements of our society are to blame, and we are heading down the same road as Sweden!Adviser warns London a 'no-go zone for Jews every weekend' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68508351Which immigrant communities are you talking about Sproty? The Aussies around Kensington? The Irish in Kilburn? The Spanish in Brixton? The Jews in Golders Green? The Poles in East Ham? Also, interested to hear your personal experiences of communities isolating themselves in London? Finally, interested to hear about the woke lefty elements who you blame? Last I heard, the right wing Tories were in power? [/quotewho is in power in London? I note it is Labour,by the way do you live in one of those gated communities in Chelsea, you don’t even understand the Denographics of the Capital.do you?
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on March 11, 2024, 07:37:58 amQuote from: Sprotyrover on March 10, 2024, 02:10:18 pmThis says it all really, things are so bad that the Capital city is a dangerous unsafe place for members of the Jewish faith every weekend!And a great deal of this is immigrant communities isolating, and polarising into groups where they don’t have to integrate into British society or even bother to learn to speak English,the Woke privileged left wing elements of our society are to blame, and we are heading down the same road as Sweden!Adviser warns London a 'no-go zone for Jews every weekend' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68508351Which immigrant communities are you talking about Sproty? The Aussies around Kensington? The Irish in Kilburn? The Spanish in Brixton? The Jews in Golders Green? The Poles in East Ham? Also, interested to hear your personal experiences of communities isolating themselves in London? Finally, interested to hear about the woke lefty elements who you blame? Last I heard, the right wing Tories were in power? [/quotewho is in power in London? I note it is Labour,by the way do you live in one of those gated communities in Chelsea, you don’t even understand the Denographics of the Capital.do you?I don’t think that you understand how politics London works Sproty. No I don’t live in a gated community in Chelsea and I’d wager that I understand demographics in the capital better than you. I’d respectfully suggest that I know many more people in London who are immigrants or descendants than you do. I can guarantee that the vast, vast majority of these are good, hard working members of the community and, despite the claims in the OP, consider themselves English. I’d also suggest that this fact won’t make the slightest bit of difference to you as you’ve already made your mind up based on your own (false) prejudices.
May 2019The Fawlty Towers actor John Cleese has been criticised for repeating his 2011 claim that London was no longer an English city. Last year, the Monty Python comic announced that he was moving to the Caribbean because he was disappointed with Britain. The mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, said: “These comments make John Cleese sound like he’s in character as Basil Fawlty. Londoners know that our diversity is our greatest strength. We are proudly the English capital, a European city and a global hub.” https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2019/may/29/john-cleese-criticised-for-saying-london-is-no-longer-an-english-city