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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: the vicar on July 20, 2021, 08:41:40 am
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Should Rovers use the vaccine passport to make it safe in the ground. I think they should
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On a related note I wonder what the definition will be of a "large sporting event". Will it be as black and white as x-thousand people or will it bear some relevance to the capacity - eg 13,000 in the KM is a lot different to 13,000 in Wembley. Does the venue being roofed play a factor - basketball, ice hockey etc?
With a few new seasons about to start I bet there's a lot for some clubs to get their heads round.
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Needed it at the cricket on Sunday, was easy. Quick look at the app and off you went, they gave a wristband to you when checked, not bothered again.
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It worries me to think who is going to come and sit next to me at the keepmoat, have they had it have they not
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Once again this issue appears to split opinion.
Everyone has their own views on it.
I suppose in a few months we will know whether it is a good idea or not.
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https://inews.co.uk/sport/premier-league-developing-own-covid-passport-to-keep-fans-in-stadiums-1103659 (https://inews.co.uk/sport/premier-league-developing-own-covid-passport-to-keep-fans-in-stadiums-1103659)
Premier League developing its own app. Their sense of self-importance knows no bounds.
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Anyone with the NHS app on their phone you already have a covid passport. Not the crap £32billion failed Dildo Harding one but the REAL NHS app.
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It worries me to think who is going to come and sit next to me at the keepmoat, have they had it have they not
But the vaccine won’t stop you or them catching coronavirus? If the person next to you chooses to not have the vaccine and sits next to you, I don’t see any increased risk? The unvaccinated are just more likely to have potentially worse symptoms?
My understanding of the situation wether that’s right or wrong haha, I’m double vaccinated by the way just playing devils advocate
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I'm currently self isolating as I came into close contact with someone who has been double jabbed and he said he's was worried as he has never felt so ill was struggling for breath and could not stop sweeting and he is fit and healthy , He showed no symptoms when I was with him 48 hours later he said he thought that was is , what is worrying is the passport lasts for 180 days if you have been double jabbed. And I piece of paper to say you have been double jabbed will be so easy to forge and some older people will not have a smart phone to download it onto
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Myself and partner have both the NHS App and a letter from NHS England. My Dad does have a smart phone, but is not very competent in using it - so I got him to apply for the letter.
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Thing is, the club have sold tickets irrespective of folks vaccine status. That will need some thought if they were to consider this.
The vaccine doesn't stop anyone contracting the virus or passing it on, although it may reduce the viral load passed on according to some research.
Mask wearing may also reduce the risk of transmission however as we know, this is no longer a legal requirement so who polices it?
I'm sure the club will be taking all these factors into account however, we all have to take some personal responsibility to assess the risks for ourselves.
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Anyone with the NHS app on their phone you already have a covid passport. Not the crap £32billion failed Dildo Harding one but the REAL NHS app.
I know that I’m just saying should we use it
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It worries me to think who is going to come and sit next to me at the keepmoat, have they had it have they not
But the vaccine won’t stop you or them catching coronavirus? If the person next to you chooses to not have the vaccine and sits next to you, I don’t see any increased risk? The unvaccinated are just more likely to have potentially worse symptoms?
My understanding of the situation wether that’s right or wrong haha, I’m double vaccinated by the way just playing devils advocate
the problem with me is I am very vulnerable with asthma c.o.p.d, and now pancreatic cancer so I have to be careful
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Thing is, the club have sold tickets irrespective of folks vaccine status. That will need some thought if they were to consider this.
The vaccine doesn't stop anyone contracting the virus or passing it on, although it may reduce the viral load passed on according to some research.
Mask wearing may also reduce the risk of transmission however as we know, this is no longer a legal requirement so who polices it?
I'm sure the club will be taking all these factors into account however, we all have to take some personal responsibility to assess the risks for ourselves.
That last sentence there mate says a lot.
I heard a scientist on the telly yesterday saying it shouldn’t be called freedom day.
He suggested Responsibility Day would be more appropriate.
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It worries me to think who is going to come and sit next to me at the keepmoat, have they had it have they not
But the vaccine won’t stop you or them catching coronavirus? If the person next to you chooses to not have the vaccine and sits next to you, I don’t see any increased risk? The unvaccinated are just more likely to have potentially worse symptoms?
My understanding of the situation wether that’s right or wrong haha, I’m double vaccinated by the way just playing devils advocate
the problem with me is I am very vulnerable with asthma c.o.p.d, and now pancreatic cancer so I have to be careful
So you will have to think carefully about putting yourself at further risk.
Whether the club will consider opening up a couple of the neutral seating areas to accommodate people such as yourself who would rather be distanced from anyone outside your 'bubble' I don't know, but as you mentioned you were speaking to Gavin, it might be worth raising the issue.
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Yes mate that is a cracking idea a vulnerability supporter area why not
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I will not be attending while ever there is no proper way of checking what the status of the people around me is, or the virus
becomes controlled. It is currently far from controlled, and as people do not care enough about others who may be vulnerable I have finished attending football for the moment.
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Wear a mask
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Double jab doesn’t mean you can’t get the virus and 60% of people in hospital have been double jabbed , so use your head and continue to wear a mask
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No masks no football for me
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Thing is, the club have sold tickets irrespective of folks vaccine status. That will need some thought if they were to consider this.
The vaccine doesn't stop anyone contracting the virus or passing it on, although it may reduce the viral load passed on according to some research.
Mask wearing may also reduce the risk of transmission however as we know, this is no longer a legal requirement so who polices it?
I'm sure the club will be taking all these factors into account however, we all have to take some personal responsibility to assess the risks for ourselves.
Thats a good point re ticket sales already made.
Could be getting ahead of ourselves but wonder if a lot more games will start to be all ticket for away fans so clubs have a better idea of numbers attending in advance.
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It worries me to think who is going to come and sit next to me at the keepmoat, have they had it have they not
But the vaccine won’t stop you or them catching coronavirus? If the person next to you chooses to not have the vaccine and sits next to you, I don’t see any increased risk? The unvaccinated are just more likely to have potentially worse symptoms?
My understanding of the situation wether that’s right or wrong haha, I’m double vaccinated by the way just playing devils advocate
the problem with me is I am very vulnerable with asthma c.o.p.d, and now pancreatic cancer so I have to be careful
Really sorry to hear that mate, hope the treatment is working
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Double jab doesn’t mean you can’t get the virus and 60% of people in hospital have been double jabbed , so use your head and continue to wear a mask
Have 60% of people in hospital with covid been double jabbed.
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Double jab doesn’t mean you can’t get the virus and 60% of people in hospital have been double jabbed , so use your head and continue to wear a mask
Have 60% of people in hospital with covid been double jabbed.
It was a mis-quote at the presser yesterday - 60% haven't been jabbed at all was the correct detail.
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That has been denied on tv that double jabbed people are in hospital they are saying that most of them are 18to 40 that have not been double jabbed, but that is immaterial as the ones that have been jabbed are the very vulnerable people abs I come into that category and I don’t want to be one of the statistics
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Of course they should, and the ground is big enough to place similar groups of people together
Non mask wearers
Those wishing to wear Masks
Single jabbed
Non- jabbed
Mixed families of any of the above
These are pretty much the groups we have now without breaking it down to bubbles in areas, and with a little forethought the club should be able to issue guidelines regarding what group sits where,
This should protect those that feel they need it on the food concourses,
I know fans want to sit in familiar areas with the same people, but for a short while whilst our attendances are manageable we should be making the stadium a place were everyone can feel safe at least
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On a related note I wonder what the definition will be of a "large sporting event". Will it be as black and white as x-thousand people or will it bear some relevance to the capacity - eg 13,000 in the KM is a lot different to 13,000 in Wembley. Does the venue being roofed play a factor - basketball, ice hockey etc?
With a few new seasons about to start I bet there's a lot for some clubs to get their heads round.
You can pretty much guarantee the definition will not include polo, horse racing, Henley regatta, rugby union, etc.
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Wear a mask
Mask wearing is to protect others, if others are not wearing them what protection has he got?
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That’s true but there should be no double standards
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Double jab doesn’t mean you can’t get the virus and 60% of people in hospital have been double jabbed , so use your head and continue to wear a mask
Have 60% of people in hospital with covid been double jabbed.
No
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On a related note I wonder what the definition will be of a "large sporting event". Will it be as black and white as x-thousand people or will it bear some relevance to the capacity - eg 13,000 in the KM is a lot different to 13,000 in Wembley. Does the venue being roofed play a factor - basketball, ice hockey etc?
With a few new seasons about to start I bet there's a lot for some clubs to get their heads round.
You can pretty much guarantee the definition will not include polo, horse racing, Henley regatta, rugby union, etc.
On a related note I wonder what the definition will be of a "large sporting event". Will it be as black and white as x-thousand people or will it bear some relevance to the capacity - eg 13,000 in the KM is a lot different to 13,000 in Wembley. Does the venue being roofed play a factor - basketball, ice hockey etc?
With a few new seasons about to start I bet there's a lot for some clubs to get their heads round.
You can pretty much guarantee the definition will not include polo, horse racing, Henley regatta, rugby union, etc.
145k at Silverstone on Sunday
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We'll be working through the details in the next few days.
The club have already said they would open up the neutral areas so that those who are more vulnerable could move there and feel safer.
We have a supporters board meeting on Wednesday so I'm sure we'll run through quite a bit of this.
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So what your saying is that if your double jabbed you will not end up in hospital,
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Those who do not wish to wear masks in or around the ground are selfish, and the reason why this horrible virus will kill more people
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Those who do not wish to wear masks in or around the ground are selfish, and the reason why this horrible virus will kill more people
That’s not as evidential as you may think, the science is less than conclusive for wearing masks in open space, but the Covid debate has been done to death……and the Government are making the rules!
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Those who do not wish to wear masks in or around the ground are selfish, and the reason why this horrible virus will kill more people
Where do you think your breath goes when breathing out of a mask?
You are constantly mucking about with your masks and adjusting them with your hands.
A lot of people screw them in their pocket when not wearing them and then stick em back on when going into a shop.
All these, bacteria infested masks can't be doing you any favours.
No masks
No passports.
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Those who do not wish to wear masks in or around the ground are selfish, and the reason why this horrible virus will kill more people
Where do you think your breath goes when breathing out of a mask?
You are constantly mucking about with your masks and adjusting them with your hands.
A lot of people screw them in their pocket when not wearing them and then stick em back on when going into a shop.
All these, bacteria infested masks can't be doing you any favours.
No masks
No passports.
No entry.
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Those who do not wish to wear masks in or around the ground are selfish, and the reason why this horrible virus will kill more people
Where do you think your breath goes when breathing out of a mask?
You are constantly mucking about with your masks and adjusting them with your hands.
A lot of people screw them in their pocket when not wearing them and then stick em back on when going into a shop.
All these, bacteria infested masks can't be doing you any favours.
No masks
No passports.
No entry.
Empty stadiums
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I rest my case , no masks no football for me
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So what your saying is that if your double jabbed you will not end up in hospital,
At present, around 60% of hospitalisations from COVID are currently from unvaccinated people.
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I rest my case , no masks no football for me
It’s a stance that many will take I’m afraid, but each to their own I guess
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Double jabbed friends are getting covid left right and centre.
Us filthy unvaccinated friends are fit as fiddles.
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The Government trialled 3 events, but probably more, I know a couple that attended the Liverpool indoor nightclub no mask event…..
This was a success and I would imagine the other couple of events were equally successful, which has probably lead to the government allowing non mask events with huge numbers attending…….. surely the message is right there,
To not attend an event because others are following current medical guidelines has no basis other than personal choice…..
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We'll be working through the details in the next few days.
The club have already said they would open up the neutral areas so that those who are more vulnerable could move there and feel safer.
We have a supporters board meeting on Wednesday so I'm sure we'll run through quite a bit of this.
hi Martin I think the ideal place is under the big screen then they are away from the elements. In the east stand they are liable to get wet when it rains, but in the south west corner it’s dry and not as cold in the winter
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Correct
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So what your saying is that if your double jabbed you will not end up in hospital,
no one is saying that but you have got a better chance of not going to hospital
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Those who do not wish to wear masks in or around the ground are selfish, and the reason why this horrible virus will kill more people
Where do you think your breath goes when breathing out of a mask?
You are constantly mucking about with your masks and adjusting them with your hands.
A lot of people screw them in their pocket when not wearing them and then stick em back on when going into a shop.
All these, bacteria infested masks can't be doing you any favours.
No masks
No passports.
Ahh, I'm sure you can back this theory up with long term data on mask usage, such as increased respiratory illnesses in East Asian countries where there is high mask usage, even pre-covid?
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I'm not a Moderator but emotive subject though this is can we maybe keep this to how it affects Rovers/sport and how we get as many people in the KM as safely as possible? If we're talking passport vs no passport or mask vs no mask there's the same debate on off topic.
(apologies if that's a minority opinion and feel free to carry on of course :aok: )
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We'll be working through the details in the next few days.
The club have already said they would open up the neutral areas so that those who are more vulnerable could move there and feel safer.
We have a supporters board meeting on Wednesday so I'm sure we'll run through quite a bit of this.
hi Martin I think the ideal place is under the big screen then they are away from the elements. In the east stand they are liable to get wet when it rains, but in the south west corner it’s dry and not as cold in the winter
Bit unfair on those who sit there though to then shift them? Hence perhaps north of the west stand is a better option?
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We'll be working through the details in the next few days.
The club have already said they would open up the neutral areas so that those who are more vulnerable could move there and feel safer.
We have a supporters board meeting on Wednesday so I'm sure we'll run through quite a bit of this.
hi Martin I think the ideal place is under the big screen then they are away from the elements. In the east stand they are liable to get wet when it rains, but in the south west corner it’s dry and not as cold in the winter
Bit unfair on those who sit there though to then shift them? Hence perhaps north of the west stand is a better option?
Perhaps the only option is to rip up the current seating arrangements and gear one to meet the needs of everyone ….. not everyone will be best pleased, but after the last 2 years I think the majority of fans will be happy to sit where the club tells them, just so they can see live football
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We'll be working through the details in the next few days.
The club have already said they would open up the neutral areas so that those who are more vulnerable could move there and feel safer.
We have a supporters board meeting on Wednesday so I'm sure we'll run through quite a bit of this.
hi Martin I think the ideal place is under the big screen then they are away from the elements. In the east stand they are liable to get wet when it rains, but in the south west corner it’s dry and not as cold in the winter
Bit unfair on those who sit there though to then shift them? Hence perhaps north of the west stand is a better option?
there is no one sits there it is at the moment a sterile area
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Those who do not wish to wear masks in or around the ground are selfish, and the reason why this horrible virus will kill more people
Where do you think your breath goes when breathing out of a mask?
You are constantly mucking about with your masks and adjusting them with your hands.
A lot of people screw them in their pocket when not wearing them and then stick em back on when going into a shop.
All these, bacteria infested masks can't be doing you any favours.
No masks
No passports.
No football!
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Double jabbed friends are getting covid left right and centre.
Us filthy unvaccinated friends are fit as fiddles.
I can't believe that................ you have friends.? :whistle:
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There is an ideal place as pointed out North end of West stand, although concourse facilities would be a problem
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Should Rovers use the vaccine passport to make it safe in the ground. I think they should
I've had 2 jabs. (Reminds of John Prescott saying that )
But I'm categorically against vaccine passports . It's effectively forcing vaccines through the back door.
It's sinister .
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Double jabbed friends are getting covid left right and centre.
Us filthy unvaccinated friends are fit as fiddles.
I can't believe that................ you have friends.? :whistle:
Yeah loads, which is weird because I don't generally like people.
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It worries me to think who is going to come and sit next to me at the keepmoat, have they had it have they not
But the vaccine won’t stop you or them catching coronavirus? If the person next to you chooses to not have the vaccine and sits next to you, I don’t see any increased risk? The unvaccinated are just more likely to have potentially worse symptoms?
My understanding of the situation wether that’s right or wrong haha, I’m double vaccinated by the way just playing devils advocate
Being double vaccinated doesn’t stop you getting it, but it makes it less likely, and thus less likely to pass it on.
You are correct that vaccinated people are less likely to have serious illness, but it can still be very serious.
Should have stuck to social distancing and masks in my humble opinion.
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It worries me to think who is going to come and sit next to me at the keepmoat, have they had it have they not
But the vaccine won’t stop you or them catching coronavirus? If the person next to you chooses to not have the vaccine and sits next to you, I don’t see any increased risk? The unvaccinated are just more likely to have potentially worse symptoms?
My understanding of the situation wether that’s right or wrong haha, I’m double vaccinated by the way just playing devils advocate
Being double vaccinated doesn’t stop you getting it, but it makes it less likely, and thus less likely to pass it on.
You are correct that vaccinated people are less likely to have serious illness, but it can still be very serious.
Should have stuck to social distancing and masks in my humble opinion.
Forever?
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On a related note I wonder what the definition will be of a "large sporting event". Will it be as black and white as x-thousand people or will it bear some relevance to the capacity - eg 13,000 in the KM is a lot different to 13,000 in Wembley. Does the venue being roofed play a factor - basketball, ice hockey etc?
With a few new seasons about to start I bet there's a lot for some clubs to get their heads round.
You can pretty much guarantee the definition will not include polo, horse racing, Henley regatta, rugby union, etc.
On a related note I wonder what the definition will be of a "large sporting event". Will it be as black and white as x-thousand people or will it bear some relevance to the capacity - eg 13,000 in the KM is a lot different to 13,000 in Wembley. Does the venue being roofed play a factor - basketball, ice hockey etc?
With a few new seasons about to start I bet there's a lot for some clubs to get their heads round.
You can pretty much guarantee the definition will not include polo, horse racing, Henley regatta, rugby union, etc.
145k at Silverstone on Sunday
Sumo wrestling?
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Double jabbed friends are getting covid left right and centre.
Us filthy unvaccinated friends are fit as fiddles.
I can't believe that................ you have friends.? :whistle:
Yeah loads, which is weird because I don't generally like people.
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Should Rovers use the vaccine passport to make it safe in the ground. I think they should
There isn’t one .
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Vicar, maybe get advice from your Doctor/consultant about your risk of attending a football match, I know that I wouldn’t risk attending if I had your ailments.
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It worries me to think who is going to come and sit next to me at the keepmoat, have they had it have they not
But the vaccine won’t stop you or them catching coronavirus? If the person next to you chooses to not have the vaccine and sits next to you, I don’t see any increased risk? The unvaccinated are just more likely to have potentially worse symptoms?
My understanding of the situation wether that’s right or wrong haha, I’m double vaccinated by the way just playing devils advocate
Being double vaccinated doesn’t stop you getting it, but it makes it less likely, and thus less likely to pass it on.
You are correct that vaccinated people are less likely to have serious illness, but it can still be very serious.
Should have stuck to social distancing and masks in my humble opinion.
Forever?
Yes, forever and ever…
Perhaps I meant until numbers were under control and enough people had received two vaccines. The huge risk of letting it run wild like this with limited safeguards is increased chance of a vaccine resistant strain developing.
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It worries me to think who is going to come and sit next to me at the keepmoat, have they had it have they not
But the vaccine won’t stop you or them catching coronavirus? If the person next to you chooses to not have the vaccine and sits next to you, I don’t see any increased risk? The unvaccinated are just more likely to have potentially worse symptoms?
My understanding of the situation wether that’s right or wrong haha, I’m double vaccinated by the way just playing devils advocate
Being double vaccinated doesn’t stop you getting it, but it makes it less likely, and thus less likely to pass it on.
You are correct that vaccinated people are less likely to have serious illness, but it can still be very serious.
Should have stuck to social distancing and masks in my humble opinion.
Forever?
Yes, forever and ever…
Perhaps I meant until numbers were under control and enough people had received two vaccines. The huge risk of letting it run wild like this with limited safeguards is increased chance of a vaccine resistant strain developing.
I think the numbers are containable, the risk is very low and the information will never change, of course people will get some form of cold/flu symptoms and some will accept that it’s no more than they’ve had before, and some will fear the worst and want to be seen by a doctor…..pretty much like a normal winter flu …… so this is the right time, otherwise the authorities would not allow it….
The human behavioural think tanks have got a lot of work to do to remove the fear that this government have established into mainstream life….
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Thing is, the club have sold tickets irrespective of folks vaccine status. That will need some thought if they were to consider this.
The vaccine doesn't stop anyone contracting the virus or passing it on, although it may reduce the viral load passed on according to some research.
Mask wearing may also reduce the risk of transmission however as we know, this is no longer a legal requirement so who polices it?
I'm sure the club will be taking all these factors into account however, we all have to take some personal responsibility to assess the risks for ourselves.
How do you assess the risk of you being sat at the side of a stranger with asymptomatic COVID?
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Thing is, the club have sold tickets irrespective of folks vaccine status. That will need some thought if they were to consider this.
The vaccine doesn't stop anyone contracting the virus or passing it on, although it may reduce the viral load passed on according to some research.
Mask wearing may also reduce the risk of transmission however as we know, this is no longer a legal requirement so who polices it?
I'm sure the club will be taking all these factors into account however, we all have to take some personal responsibility to assess the risks for ourselves.
How do you assess the risk of you being sat at the side of a stranger with asymptomatic COVID?
You can’t !
But you can’t live your life worrying that everyone has got covid,
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Thing is, the club have sold tickets irrespective of folks vaccine status. That will need some thought if they were to consider this.
The vaccine doesn't stop anyone contracting the virus or passing it on, although it may reduce the viral load passed on according to some research.
Mask wearing may also reduce the risk of transmission however as we know, this is no longer a legal requirement so who polices it?
I'm sure the club will be taking all these factors into account however, we all have to take some personal responsibility to assess the risks for ourselves.
How do you assess the risk of you being sat at the side of a stranger with asymptomatic COVID?
The club can only do so much but at the end of the day, if folk are that concerned., don't go. Take personal responsibility because we can't expect everyone else to do it for us.
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Thing is, the club have sold tickets irrespective of folks vaccine status. That will need some thought if they were to consider this.
The vaccine doesn't stop anyone contracting the virus or passing it on, although it may reduce the viral load passed on according to some research.
Mask wearing may also reduce the risk of transmission however as we know, this is no longer a legal requirement so who polices it?
I'm sure the club will be taking all these factors into account however, we all have to take some personal responsibility to assess the risks for ourselves.
How do you assess the risk of you being sat at the side of a stranger with asymptomatic COVID?
If I had that mentality, I'd never be able to do my job and I'd go bust.
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Double jab doesn’t mean you can’t get the virus and 60% of people in hospital have been double jabbed , so use your head and continue to wear a mask
Have 60% of people in hospital with covid been double jabbed.
It was a mis-quote at the presser yesterday - 60% haven't been jabbed at all was the correct detail.
I know mate.
I was saying what I said so that mjg might check and find out.
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Double jab doesn’t mean you can’t get the virus and 60% of people in hospital have been double jabbed , so use your head and continue to wear a mask
Have 60% of people in hospital with covid been double jabbed.
No
I know. See previous post.
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Thing is, the club have sold tickets irrespective of folks vaccine status. That will need some thought if they were to consider this.
The vaccine doesn't stop anyone contracting the virus or passing it on, although it may reduce the viral load passed on according to some research.
Mask wearing may also reduce the risk of transmission however as we know, this is no longer a legal requirement so who polices it?
I'm sure the club will be taking all these factors into account however, we all have to take some personal responsibility to assess the risks for ourselves.
How do you assess the risk of you being sat at the side of a stranger with asymptomatic COVID?
If I had that mentality, I'd never be able to do my job and I'd go bust.
I get that Nudga and I'm on your side over this. But you're not exercising personal responsibility here. You've been given zero choice.
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Should Rovers use the vaccine passport to make it safe in the ground. I think they should
It wouldn't be safer in the ground if everyone had vaccine passports. To not accept this reality is kind of what us sensible people are up against really.
I will just say i am exempt. It is illegal for venues to ask me why and to ask me to prove my exemption. They have to let me in by law without any evidence needing to be provided. This is on the Gov.uk website.
Nobody needs a double jab to be able to get in places. Just use the current discrimination laws in your favour.
All these youngster who think they need the jab to be able to access venues have been bribed when they can all just claim exemption on the door and they have to be let in. They don't need the jab to be able to 'enjoy their freedoms' as the adverts horrifyingly say.
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Should Rovers use the vaccine passport to make it safe in the ground. I think they should
It wouldn't be safer in the ground if everyone had vaccine passports. To not accept this reality is kind of what us sensible people are up against really.
I will just say i am exempt. It is illegal for venues to ask me why and to ask me to prove my exemption. They have to let me in by law without any evidence needing to be provided. This is on the Gov.uk website.
Nobody needs a double jab to be able to get in places. Just use the current discrimination laws in your favour.
All these youngster who think they need the jab to be able to access venues have been bribed when they can all just claim exemption on the door and they have to be let in. They don't need the jab to be able to 'enjoy their freedoms' as the adverts horrifyingly say.
Lifted from the Gov webpage
The NHS COVID Pass lets individuals share their COVID-19 vaccination records or test results in a secure way.
You may need to demonstrate your COVID status to:
work or volunteer in a care home regulated by the Care Quality Commission (CQC) from 11 November 2021
be exempt from self-isolating for 10 days if you are a close contact of somebody with a confirmed case of COVID-19
enter venues and events in England that require the NHS COVID Pass as a condition of entry
be exempt from quarantine and completing a test on day 8 if you travel from a country that’s not on the red list
Can you lift and paste the bit where it says you don't have to prove exemption?
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I would have thought that a business would have the right to decide for themselves whether or not to allow someone to enter their premises.
Are they not allowed to ask for proof of vaccination before allowing prospective customers through the door.
A bit like a landlord refusing to serve a customer who he believes is already drunk.
Genuine question.
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Whilst on holiday in Cornwall in September the local farm shop had a sign up.
Masks must be worn when entering the premises, we don't do unable to wear one.
Click and collect is available if you can't/don't wear a mask
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Similar to the lass who runs the Chinese takeaway near us. She's got a big sign that says "I'm immunocompromised. If you can't wear a mask for 30 seconds, don't come in here."
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'Your customers may declare a medical exemption directly with you. You and your staff should not ask for evidence of the exemption'
'It is not mandatory for an individual to wear a visual cue to outline they are exempt. You should not ask these individuals to demonstrate their COVID 19 status through the NHS App'
Excerpts taken from the EXEMPTIONS section of GOV.UK.
Basically it is unlawful under the Equality Act 2010 for any business owner or staff member to ask why someone is exempt or ask them to prove it. If someone says they are then they cannot be denied access by law under that regulation whatever.
Anyone denies me access to their business and i will ask them again if they are sure they want to do that and if they insist then they'll go straight to a lawsuit. I am actually exempt from vaccination anyway although i have had the first jab. Won't ever be having any more though.
Businesses need to know the law and tread very carefully indeed - or there are consequences.
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Whilst on holiday in Cornwall in September the local farm shop had a sign up.
Masks must be worn when entering the premises, we don't do unable to wear one.
Click and collect is available if you can't/don't wear a mask
Unable to wear one is different to won't wear one.
If you say you are unable to wear one due to exemption, then the business owner has no legal right to refuse entry to the shop based on the mask policy and they are breaking the law.
I live near to Buxton and there is a nice place called Poole's Cavern there which are underground caves and they insist on mask wearing. We told them that we wouldn't be booking to visit out of principle but they agreed that they had no way of stopping us all walking around without masks if we had said we were exempt.
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CDH.
I'll give you the number of the woman who runs our Chinese takeaway and you can call her and explain.
Good luck. She scares the living shite out of me with the way she looks at me when I haven't got the right change for my order.
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Take her to the cleaners through the courts Billy. Not a leg to stand on. They are just ignorant f**kers thinking they make their own rules up lol.
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Ignorant f**kers? Someone who is immunocompromised and having to work within inches of people who, left to their own devices, could not be bothered to take the tiniest precaution to assist someone else?
I know who I would save that label for.
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They can close their business or do deliveries or collection from outside. So yes. Ignorant f**kers expecting others to wear a mask because they are poorly. That's sad obviously but people have a right to live their lives how they want to and that includes not being told (illegally) to wear a f**king mask.
Capiche?
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Need to stop pussyfooting about here. I have an illness that leaves me susceptible to viruses but unlike others, i accept that one day i am going to die. I don't want to dictate to others how they should live their lives to protect me. This is how we've got into this f**king guilt tripping mess in the first place.
Do i ask everyone to wear a mask to make me feel safer? How f**king selfish is that?!!
See the wood for the trees Billy lad. Grow a pair and accept the minor illness. Worry more about the twenty other things more likely to get you mate. Cancer, stroke, heart attack, car accident etc.
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So if you rock up to some place that has mask wearing as a condition of entry as long as they don't ask you why you are exempt they can f@#k you off?
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I have no idea what you are on about with that post tbh. Makes no sense.
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Need to stop pussyfooting about here. I have an illness that leaves me susceptible to viruses but unlike others, i accept that one day i am going to die. I don't want to dictate to others how they should live their lives to protect me. This is how we've got into this f**king guilt tripping mess in the first place.
Do i ask everyone to wear a mask to make me feel safer? How f**king selfish is that?!!
See the wood for the trees Billy lad. Grow a pair and accept the minor illness. Worry more about the twenty other things more likely to get you mate. Cancer, stroke, heart attack, car accident etc.
You are correct in that one day we are all going to die. What you dont have though is the right to decide to take as many other people as possible with you by infecting them with a deadly virus.
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What gets me (on a day when the 7 day average of daily deaths has topped 160) is how folk crow about how they won't wear masks. Like it's some sort of brave action they are taking. Something we should applaud in them.
Should we applaud somebody who has 8 points then drives home? Because it's their f**king right to do as they please.
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I have no idea what you are on about with that post tbh. Makes no sense.
Mmmm!
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Need to stop pussyfooting about here. I have an illness that leaves me susceptible to viruses but unlike others, i accept that one day i am going to die. I don't want to dictate to others how they should live their lives to protect me. This is how we've got into this f**king guilt tripping mess in the first place.
Do i ask everyone to wear a mask to make me feel safer? How f**king selfish is that?!!
See the wood for the trees Billy lad. Grow a pair and accept the minor illness. Worry more about the twenty other things more likely to get you mate. Cancer, stroke, heart attack, car accident etc.
You are correct in that one day we are all going to die. What you dont have though is the right to decide to take as many other people as possible with you by infecting them with a deadly virus.
Deadly virus lololololol. It's not f**king ebola man!
Have you ever passed the flu onto anyone during your lifetime. My guess would be yes. Hypocritical simpleton.
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What gets me (on a day when the 7 day average of daily deaths has topped 160) is how folk crow about how they won't wear masks. Like it's some sort of brave action they are taking. Something we should applaud in them.
Should we applaud somebody who has 8 points then drives home? Because it's their f**king right to do as they please.
It's not a brave action. We aren't plagued by irrational fear over a minor virus, so there is nothing to be brave about. Bravery is shown when you are frightened of something.
If i don't want to wear a mask then i won't. It is my decision to make, not others.
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It IS your decision CFH.
Unfortunately, it's not the decision of the 1200 people a week that your decisions are killing.
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Hyperbolic bollicks. All around me, vaxxed family and friends are getting a bit poorly from covid but my unvaxxed friends haven't had a day off sick.
And this isn't a "conspiracy", it's just what's happening in my little corner of clown world.
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Evidence has shown in Victoria that familial contact is/was the main reason for the spread of the virus in a largely unvaccinated population beyond the initial outbreaks form returning travellers and escape of the virus from hotel quarantine.
'Get the virus and take it home to your loved ones has been the message'
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-53259356
BBC 3 July 2020
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Who takes any notice of Australia? A country run by nutters.
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It IS your decision CFH.
Unfortunately, it's not the decision of the 1200 people a week that your decisions are killing.
That's fine then. Couldn't care less if 1200 people a week were dying. Even if it were me. We all have the right to live our lives as we see fit within the law. Pretty simple to understand. Anything else is a dictatorship.
Fortunately i don't get upset by someone accusing me of killing people, even if is a load of codswallop. Because i hate people in general.
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Who takes any notice of Australia? A country run by nutters.
Self seeking and similar to the current uk govt' in lots of ways, but stupid, not.
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Who takes any notice of Australia? A country run by nutters.
Self seeking and similar to the current uk govt' in lots of ways, but stupid, not.
Yeah. They are very clever at manipulating folk and brutalizing those who refuse to be manipulated.
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It IS your decision CFH.
Unfortunately, it's not the decision of the 1200 people a week that your decisions are killing.
That's fine then. Couldn't care less if 1200 people a week were dying. Even if it were me. We all have the right to live our lives as we see fit within the law. Pretty simple to understand. Anything else is a dictatorship.
Fortunately i don't get upset by someone accusing me of killing people, even if is a load of codswallop. Because i hate people in general.
A sort of rebel without a clue?
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It IS your decision CFH.
Unfortunately, it's not the decision of the 1200 people a week that your decisions are killing.
That's fine then. Couldn't care less if 1200 people a week were dying. Even if it were me. We all have the right to live our lives as we see fit within the law. Pretty simple to understand. Anything else is a dictatorship.
Fortunately i don't get upset by someone accusing me of killing people, even if is a load of codswallop. Because i hate people in general.
A sort of rebel without a clue?
No. I just accept that i am not responsible for others. I do what i like and they do what they like. It is called freedom.
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You are probably not expecting one, but it's very difficult to have a conversation with someone opposed to the accepted norms and expectations of the greater majority.
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You are probably not expecting one, but it's very difficult to have a conversation with someone opposed to the accepted norms and expectations of the greater majority.
Before the 1800s it’s was the accepted norm and expectation of the greater majority that slavery was acceptable, before the 1900s it was accepted that women shouldn’t vote, before the 60s (50s?) it was accepted that homosexuality was punishable under the law. Don’t use the expectation of the majority as your bellwether (or if you do then stop whinging about brexit lol)
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CDH
I assume you believe that an individual's right to act freely is constrained by their responsibilities to consider the effects they have on other people?
For example: Do you think you should have the right to walk down the street firing a gun in random directions? Or to drive at 80mph past a primary school at turning out time?
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CDH
I assume you believe that an individual's right to act freely is constrained by their responsibilities to consider the effects they have on other people?
For example: Do you think you should have the right to walk down the street firing a gun in random directions? Or to drive at 80mph past a primary school at turning out time?
“As we see fit within the law” yet you quote 2 examples that are clearly illegal
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Accepted. I was actually interested if CDH's reasoning for not doing such obviously dangerous things is ONLY because they are illegal, but let's let it pass.
Assume the speed limit outside a primary school is 30mph. Do you have the unfettered right to drive at 30mph on that road at chucking out time?
Or, let's assume there's a lovely summer day and people are out in their back gardens. Do you have the unfettered right to light up a bonfire, or to have a truck load of horse manure spread over your garden?
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Ok let me put it this way.
I couldn't give a shit who i pass Covid onto. They've had the option of a vaccine and therefore it is of no responsibility of mine.
Get it yet?
It is a good job i'm an anti social f**ker and actively avoid people anyway then isn't it?
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Ok let me put it this way.
I couldn't give a shit who i pass Covid onto. They've had the option of a vaccine and therefore it is of no responsibility of mine.
Get it yet?
It is a good job i'm an anti social f**ker and actively avoid people anyway then isn't it?
What’s an anti social f** ker doing ‘contributing’ to a social forum?
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Ok let me put it this way.
I couldn't give a shit who i pass Covid onto. They've had the option of a vaccine and therefore it is of no responsibility of mine.
Get it yet?
It is a good job i'm an anti social f**ker and actively avoid people anyway then isn't it?
What’s an anti social f** ker doing ‘contributing’ to a social forum?
:lol: ;)
No idea Col. I don't use any other forms of social media if that helps? Full of vacuous bullshit and selfies of 20 year old 'influencers' that look like porcelain dolls with no brains.
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Ok let me put it this way.
I couldn't give a shit who i pass Covid onto. They've had the option of a vaccine and therefore it is of no responsibility of mine.
Get it yet?
It is a good job i'm an anti social f**ker and actively avoid people anyway then isn't it?
I've had the vaccine. I'm in one of the top 9 vulnerable groups. I had two doses of the AZ version. Last one was 5 and a half months ago. I'm not eligible for a booster for another 3 weeks. It is well established that the efficacy of the AZ vaccine drops off rapidly after five months. And when I do get a booster, it will take several weeks for it to get up to full effect. So for the next 6 weeks, my vulnerability is greatly increased.
If I catch the virus because of selfish, ignorant, anti-social t**ts choosing not to take the simplest of precautions, that's MY fault is it?
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No, but neither is it theirs. They have no responsibility to you (and you don’t for them). If you are in the situation you say you are in you will either choose to do everything you can to minimise your risk exposure or you won’t, that’s your choice. You simply cannot expect others to put you first
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We have fundamentally different concepts of the responsibility of the individual to society then Ldr.
I am genuinely shocked at how many millions of our fellow citizens are ignorantly, or knowingly CHOOSING not to do something like wear masks, which is next to zero inconvenience to them, but which could save hundreds of lives. To me, it's precisely the same as if people knew the police were not going to enforce the speed limit, and a section of the population chose to drive at 20mph over the limit regardless of conditions.
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I’d say that 1st sentence sums it up nicely.
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What you are saying Ldr, is that it is MY responsibility to assess and minimise MY risk, and the rest of society has no responsibility to change their own behaviour in even the most minimal way, in order to play their part in minimising everyone's risk.
Phew. Lovely world you live in there...
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Yes precisely
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So, back to my earlier point, you reckon it's OK to drive at 30mph past a primary school at chucking out time.
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No, but neither is it theirs. They have no responsibility to you (and you don’t for them). If you are in the situation you say you are in you will either choose to do everything you can to minimise your risk exposure or you won’t, that’s your choice. You simply cannot expect others to put you first
My God. Another person with a rational mind. I've actually found one throughout this forest of self righteous nutjobs. Thanks LDR.
Agree with this 100% bang on the money.
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We have fundamentally different concepts of the responsibility of the individual to society then Ldr.
I am genuinely shocked at how many millions of our fellow citizens are ignorantly, or knowingly CHOOSING not to do something like wear masks, which is next to zero inconvenience to them, but which could save hundreds of lives. To me, it's precisely the same as if people knew the police were not going to enforce the speed limit, and a section of the population chose to drive at 20mph over the limit regardless of conditions.
They aren't wearing mask because they don't want to. I don't see how difficult that is to understand.
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Hard one to answer, Legally you have the right but the law (and Highway Code) also requires that you drive taking into account hazards so it may not be prudent to do drive at that speed. That’s law though, personal responsibility is different and I think you are having difficulties with your examples
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I'm having difficulty with the issue that your approach appears to be that I must severely limit my own freedoms because of others choosing to enforce theirs.
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Whereas you seem to be pushing it to be the other way around
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If you consider wearing a mask to be a severe curtailment of someone's freedom, I guess I am.
Difference is, what I'm suggesting will lead to fewer people dying. What you are suggesting will lead to more.
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The responsibility for the safety of which lies with each and every one individually and no one else.
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That is fundamentalist nonsense.
That means I have no responsibility to maintain my house. If a ridge tile falls off and kills a passer-by, it's their fault for not having taken into account my lack of maintenance when they were planning their route.
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In your opinion, you have a very black and white way of looking at things
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If you consider wearing a mask to be a severe curtailment of someone's freedom, I guess I am.
Difference is, what I'm suggesting will lead to fewer people dying. What you are suggesting will lead to more.
I've yet to see concrete evidence of this throughout the whole pandemic.
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You are probably not expecting one, but it's very difficult to have a conversation with someone opposed to the accepted norms and expectations of the greater majority.
Before the 1800s it’s was the accepted norm and expectation of the greater majority that slavery was acceptable, before the 1900s it was accepted that women shouldn’t vote, before the 60s (50s?) it was accepted that homosexuality was punishable under the law. Don’t use the expectation of the majority as your bellwether (or if you do then stop whinging about brexit lol)
Luckily most of us have moved on since the 1800s Ldr. Don't use the standards of people 230 years ago to justify your argument.
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That is fundamentalist nonsense.
That means I have no responsibility to maintain my house. If a ridge tile falls off and kills a passer-by, it's their fault for not having taken into account my lack of maintenance when they were planning their route.
irresponsible people like that must have a slate loose.
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Wey-hey.
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You are probably not expecting one, but it's very difficult to have a conversation with someone opposed to the accepted norms and expectations of the greater majority.
Before the 1800s it’s was the accepted norm and expectation of the greater majority that slavery was acceptable, before the 1900s it was accepted that women shouldn’t vote, before the 60s (50s?) it was accepted that homosexuality was punishable under the law. Don’t use the expectation of the majority as your bellwether (or if you do then stop whinging about brexit lol)
Luckily most of us have moved on since the 1800s Ldr. Don't use the standards of people 230 years ago to justify your argument.
Syd that’s the entire point. Just because it’s the majority accepted view doesn’t make it right
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You are probably not expecting one, but it's very difficult to have a conversation with someone opposed to the accepted norms and expectations of the greater majority.
Before the 1800s it’s was the accepted norm and expectation of the greater majority that slavery was acceptable, before the 1900s it was accepted that women shouldn’t vote, before the 60s (50s?) it was accepted that homosexuality was punishable under the law. Don’t use the expectation of the majority as your bellwether (or if you do then stop whinging about brexit lol)
Luckily most of us have moved on since the 1800s Ldr. Don't use the standards of people 230 years ago to justify your argument.
Syd that’s the entire point. Just because it’s the majority accepted view doesn’t make it right
You're wildly out of step with those that wish ensure that people can go about their everyday lives safely, and for what, the inconvenience of wearing a mask? and a government that is desperate to make political.
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You’re sidestepping my point
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You’re sidestepping my point
too many conversations on the go, why? I'm addressing the thrust of the debate which is why should people suffer unnecessary death or injury for the few that choose not to adhere what is a very small inconvenience.
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Then address the debate without quoting my posts. If you quote my posts address my point that history proves being in the majority does not always equal been correct
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Because that would mean people wearing masks until the end of time. Distancing until the end of time. Testing until the end of time etc etc. Which is clearly ludicrous and historically unprecedented.
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Then address the debate without quoting my posts. If you quote my posts address my point that history proves being in the majority does not always equal been correct
I'll concede that point, but similarly I would think the the majority in the presence of common sense would be mostly correct. (Trump and johnson does not come close to common sense)
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It’s all to do with the paradigm at the time my friend. I would wholeheartedly agree with your last sentence
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Because that would mean people wearing masks until the end of time. Distancing until the end of time. Testing until the end of time etc etc. Which is clearly ludicrous and historically unprecedented.
TBF I think the coming years might bring the need to do things we haven’t done before, things that are historically unprecedented.
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Then address the debate without quoting my posts. If you quote my posts address my point that history proves being in the majority does not always equal been correct
I think Schopenhauer said that if you are in a minority, you are most probably right.
He also said this:
'All truth passes through three stages. First it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed. Third it is accepted as being self evident.'
Quite apt for the mass hysteria across the world that has led to an obsessional preoccupation with a minor virus.
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shopping hour destroys the senses
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shopping hour destroys the senses
You do actually realize that this is not funny or even mildly amusing don't you and just makes you come across as a bit of a wet blanket.
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shopping hour destroys the senses
You do actually realize that this is not funny or even mildly amusing don't you and just makes you come across as a bit of a wet blanket.
Your continual rants don't help either but I take you point.
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Some have said we are fighting an invisible war with covid.
The first rule of war, other than perhaps avoid them in the first place, is not to become a casualty yourself.
During the world wars, that would mean keeping in your trench. Avoiding the bullets where possible.
With covid, if you class yourself as vulnerable, then you must do what you need to do to stay safe. That means isolate if necessary. Avoid large groups of people .
It’s a simple as that.
Looking at the ticket sales for this sat, I suspect a lot of people are still doing exactly that .
People said that the world after covid will never be the same . A bit like post 9/11. And I think they are right.
Some people have had it with covid and don’t care about it. That’s their prerogative.
Some people are still very very scared of it . And I get that too.
Covid has become like brexit. Devisive.
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"During the world wars, that would mean keeping in your trench. Avoiding the bullets where possible."
I disagree. It would have meant having tactics and strategies more sophisticated than just telling men to walk towards machine guns and hope for the best.
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shopping hour destroys the senses
You do actually realize that this is not funny or even mildly amusing don't you and just makes you come across as a bit of a wet blanket.
Your continual rants don't help either but I take you point.
I rant. You post unfunny quips. Maybe we're quits and have to accept each other?
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"During the world wars, that would mean keeping in your trench. Avoiding the bullets where possible."
I disagree. It would have meant having tactics and strategies more sophisticated than just telling men to walk towards machine guns and hope for the best.
If any person young or old, healthy or ill walk towards machine guns then the probability of ending up dead is very high.
If any person young or old, healthy or ill contract Covid then the probability of ending up dead is negligible.
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"During the world wars, that would mean keeping in your trench. Avoiding the bullets where possible."
I disagree. It would have meant having tactics and strategies more sophisticated than just telling men to walk towards machine guns and hope for the best.
Our initial response (eventually) to the pandemic was to batten down the hatches. Avoid the bullets. Isolate.
We have a strategy and tactics now. Vaccines. Boosters. Mask wearing . Avoiding crowds. Cleaning hands . Making space. Immunity (perhaps) But the bullets are still coming . The bullets might not kill you , but they are still there. For those that have already been shot, you may still get shot again.
There are no more strategies or tactics left. It’s now down to personal choice.
I’m fully vaccinated as is my own family. Yet my own father, sister and brother, are all dead against it despite my protestations. I know others who are anti vax too.
Pre covid, did the general populous of the world get itself into a lather over flu? No. Because we have learned over years to live with it.
Covid is slowly getting like that know. Wether we like it or not.
I know many people who have not had it, who are now saying, it’s only a matter of time, I could just doing with getting it and be done with it.
That is a huge departure from where we were two years ago already.
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We also had flu bullets every year previously but most people weren't too bothered about getting hit by one of those oddly enough.
What a great idea. Let's adopt a totally different response to Covid as we did flu even though both are potentially deadly viruses with similar mortality rates and age vulnerabilities. Genius idea lol.
It is called MASS HYSTERIA ON AN INDUSTRIAL GLOBAL SCALE.
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"During the world wars, that would mean keeping in your trench. Avoiding the bullets where possible."
I disagree. It would have meant having tactics and strategies more sophisticated than just telling men to walk towards machine guns and hope for the best.
If any person young or old, healthy or ill walk towards machine guns then the probability of ending up dead is very high.
If any person young or old, healthy or ill contract Covid then the probability of ending up dead is negligible.
Apart from the pushing 200,000 who have already died of it, and the pushing 200 a day who are still dying from it? Yeah, if we ignore them, the chances of dying from this are negligible.
Don't know how old you are, but at my age, an unvaccinated person has a 1-in-100 chance of dying if they catch COVID.
Here's a thought experiment for you. Imagine there's a trainline where an express comes along once an hour. Would you be happy to be blindfolded and have your ears bunged up, then lay your head on the track for a random 36 seconds? Would you be happy to suggest to several million people that they follow your lead?
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So you are getting your knickers in a twist over a 1% chance?
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Wold you expect to die one day in 100? Or more to the point, would you take serious precautions if you were told your chances of dying crossing the road were 1 in 100?
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When it’s my time it’s my time, nothing I can do about it, the universe will make it happen. Stop worrying about everything and enjoy your life mate. You’ll be happier for it
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Wold you expect to die one day in 100? Or more to the point, would you take serious precautions if you were told your chances of dying crossing the road were 1 in 100?
There is no zero Covid. There is no 100% security from Covid death. Accept it.
I don't wake up in the morning worrying about being diagnosed with cancer that day even though the odds of that happening and me dying from it are hugely greater than being told i have Covid and then dying from it.
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Wold you expect to die one day in 100? Or more to the point, would you take serious precautions if you were told your chances of dying crossing the road were 1 in 100?
I can list a number of riskier areas where death is more likely. This is based on figures from the us in 2019.
Heart disease 1 in 6
Cancer 1 in 7
All preventable causes of death 1 in 24
Chronic lower respiratory disease 1 in 27
Suicide 1 in 88
Opioid overdose 1 in 92
So what are we to do?
Be like Michael Jackson and live in a bubble?
Fear is natural and healthy. It can help us respond to danger more quickly or avoid a dangerous situation altogether. It can also cause us to worry about the wrong things, especially when it comes to estimating our level of risk.
If we overestimate our risk in one area, it can lead to anxiety and interfere with carrying out our normal daily routine. Ironically, it also leads us to underestimate real risks that can injure or kill us.
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Correct me if I am wrong here but are they all non transmissible illnesses, don't think Covid works like that
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No, I know, but it’s just a comparison of risk.
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Anyone of any age who didn't get a flu jab pre Covid and who blames others for being selfish regarding Covid is a hypocrite and nothing they say can be taken seriously.
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NR.
It's not remotely a comparison of risk.
The figures you quote are lifetime risks of death. To compare like with like, compare a 55 year old's risk of dying if he contracts COVID with his chance of dying in the same month from heart disease.
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I take your point.
The point I made, badly, was that we are surrounded by risk.
I am 52. I consider myself reasonably fit and healthy. I am double jabbed and will be taking my booster.
I consider the risks of not going about my normal business more detrimental to me and those close to me than getting covid.
As an example. I’m going to see rovers at scunny this sat with my wife. And will be in a confined space with a crowd of 6 or 700 others, who I have no knowledge about re jabs, covid exposure etc.
I’m happy to take that risk.
I lost my mum three years ago. She initially had a stroke, believed to have been brought on by years of smoking. But she died 5 months later of ovarian cancer which she had no idea she had, until it was too late. She was in her early 70’s. She was not scared of cancer. Or dying of it.
She would not want me to be scared of covid. I’m not.
Life itself comes with risks. Many of them.
Sometimes we just have to get on, despite the risks.
Otherwise, what life do we have ?
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I take your point.
The point I made, badly, was that we are surrounded by risk.
I am 52. I consider myself reasonably fit and healthy. I am double jabbed and will be taking my booster.
I consider the risks of not going about my normal business more detrimental to me and those close to me than getting covid.
As an example. I’m going to see rovers at scunny this sat with my wife. And will be in a confined space with a crowd of 6 or 700 others, who I have no knowledge about re jabs, covid exposure etc.
I’m happy to take that risk.
I lost my mum three years ago. She initially had a stroke, believed to have been brought on by years of smoking. But she died 5 months later of ovarian cancer which she had no idea she had, until it was too late. She was in her early 70’s. She was not scared of cancer. Or dying of it.
She would not want me to be scared of covid. I’m not.
Life itself comes with risks. Many of them.
Sometimes we just have to get on, despite the risks.
Otherwise, what life do we have ?
Totally agree with every word mate. Have your jabs, sanitize regularly and wear a mask in shops. I can't see what else i can do. You have to live your life though or what's the point of it all?
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I entirely agree that we have to live with risk. I do that every day.
That doesn't mean we ignore it. It is infantile to just throw your hands up and say that there is risk in everything, so deal with it, when there are simple things we can do to reduce the risk. (And I'm not saying you are like that NR, but plenty in here do seem to have that attitude.) yes we have to get on with life despite the risks, but if we simply pretend the risk isn't there, we are being wilfully stupid. Especially when the actions needed to minimise risks are so small.
You'd not cross a quiet road blindfolded. So why be blase about the risk from COVID?
Some figures by the way.
A person in their fifties in the UK has roughly a 1 in 300 chance of dying in the next year. That equates to roughly a one in 6000 chance of dying in the next fortnight.
An unvaccinated person in their 50s in the UK who catches COVID has roughly a 1 in 400 chance of dying in the next fortnight. That's how to assess the risk.
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I take your point.
The point I made, badly, was that we are surrounded by risk.
I am 52. I consider myself reasonably fit and healthy. I am double jabbed and will be taking my booster.
I consider the risks of not going about my normal business more detrimental to me and those close to me than getting covid.
As an example. I’m going to see rovers at scunny this sat with my wife. And will be in a confined space with a crowd of 6 or 700 others, who I have no knowledge about re jabs, covid exposure etc.
I’m happy to take that risk.
I lost my mum three years ago. She initially had a stroke, believed to have been brought on by years of smoking. But she died 5 months later of ovarian cancer which she had no idea she had, until it was too late. She was in her early 70’s. She was not scared of cancer. Or dying of it.
She would not want me to be scared of covid. I’m not.
Life itself comes with risks. Many of them.
Sometimes we just have to get on, despite the risks.
Otherwise, what life do we have ?
Totally agree with every word mate. Have your jabs, sanitize regularly and wear a mask in shops. I can't see what else i can do. You have to live your life though or what's the point of it all?
That's a reasonable approach AL.
Problem is, I was in a packed CostCo last night. Maybe 300 other people in there. I saw ONE other person wearing a mask. This at a time when maybe one person in 40 in England has the virus. Large parts of the population are choosing not to give a f**k and thousands WILL die prematurely because of that.
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I take your point.
The point I made, badly, was that we are surrounded by risk.
I am 52. I consider myself reasonably fit and healthy. I am double jabbed and will be taking my booster.
I consider the risks of not going about my normal business more detrimental to me and those close to me than getting covid.
As an example. I’m going to see rovers at scunny this sat with my wife. And will be in a confined space with a crowd of 6 or 700 others, who I have no knowledge about re jabs, covid exposure etc.
I’m happy to take that risk.
I lost my mum three years ago. She initially had a stroke, believed to have been brought on by years of smoking. But she died 5 months later of ovarian cancer which she had no idea she had, until it was too late. She was in her early 70’s. She was not scared of cancer. Or dying of it.
She would not want me to be scared of covid. I’m not.
Life itself comes with risks. Many of them.
Sometimes we just have to get on, despite the risks.
Otherwise, what life do we have ?
Totally agree with every word mate. Have your jabs, sanitize regularly and wear a mask in shops. I can't see what else i can do. You have to live your life though or what's the point of it all?
That's a reasonable approach AL.
Problem is, I was in a packed CostCo last night. Maybe 300 other people in there. I saw ONE other person wearing a mask. This at a time when maybe one person in 40 in England has the virus. Large parts of the population are choosing not to give a f**k and thousands WILL die prematurely because of that.
We need to remember that vast numbers of people are thick. :)
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I take your point.
The point I made, badly, was that we are surrounded by risk.
I am 52. I consider myself reasonably fit and healthy. I am double jabbed and will be taking my booster.
I consider the risks of not going about my normal business more detrimental to me and those close to me than getting covid.
As an example. I’m going to see rovers at scunny this sat with my wife. And will be in a confined space with a crowd of 6 or 700 others, who I have no knowledge about re jabs, covid exposure etc.
I’m happy to take that risk.
I lost my mum three years ago. She initially had a stroke, believed to have been brought on by years of smoking. But she died 5 months later of ovarian cancer which she had no idea she had, until it was too late. She was in her early 70’s. She was not scared of cancer. Or dying of it.
She would not want me to be scared of covid. I’m not.
Life itself comes with risks. Many of them.
Sometimes we just have to get on, despite the risks.
Otherwise, what life do we have ?
Totally agree with every word mate. Have your jabs, sanitize regularly and wear a mask in shops. I can't see what else i can do. You have to live your life though or what's the point of it all?
That's a reasonable approach AL.
Problem is, I was in a packed CostCo last night. Maybe 300 other people in there. I saw ONE other person wearing a mask. This at a time when maybe one person in 40 in England has the virus. Large parts of the population are choosing not to give a f**k and thousands WILL die prematurely because of that.
We need to remember that vast numbers of people are thick. :)
No they aren't.
The vast majority of people have done the sensible thing in this epidemic when given clear guidance.
If they are not given clear guidance on an issue like this, it is impossible for most people to make sensible judgements of what risk they are under, and how their behaviour contributes to risk. Especially when they see the waste of a bag of skin we call a PM sat without a mask on next to a 95 year old at COP26.
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You missed fast asleep ..... without a mask on BST
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I take your point.
The point I made, badly, was that we are surrounded by risk.
I am 52. I consider myself reasonably fit and healthy. I am double jabbed and will be taking my booster.
I consider the risks of not going about my normal business more detrimental to me and those close to me than getting covid.
As an example. I’m going to see rovers at scunny this sat with my wife. And will be in a confined space with a crowd of 6 or 700 others, who I have no knowledge about re jabs, covid exposure etc.
I’m happy to take that risk.
I lost my mum three years ago. She initially had a stroke, believed to have been brought on by years of smoking. But she died 5 months later of ovarian cancer which she had no idea she had, until it was too late. She was in her early 70’s. She was not scared of cancer. Or dying of it.
She would not want me to be scared of covid. I’m not.
Life itself comes with risks. Many of them.
Sometimes we just have to get on, despite the risks.
Otherwise, what life do we have ?
There will be plenty of room to sit away from the masses on Saturday mate.
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I’ll not be sitting.
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I take your point.
The point I made, badly, was that we are surrounded by risk.
I am 52. I consider myself reasonably fit and healthy. I am double jabbed and will be taking my booster.
I consider the risks of not going about my normal business more detrimental to me and those close to me than getting covid.
As an example. I’m going to see rovers at scunny this sat with my wife. And will be in a confined space with a crowd of 6 or 700 others, who I have no knowledge about re jabs, covid exposure etc.
I’m happy to take that risk.
I lost my mum three years ago. She initially had a stroke, believed to have been brought on by years of smoking. But she died 5 months later of ovarian cancer which she had no idea she had, until it was too late. She was in her early 70’s. She was not scared of cancer. Or dying of it.
She would not want me to be scared of covid. I’m not.
Life itself comes with risks. Many of them.
Sometimes we just have to get on, despite the risks.
Otherwise, what life do we have ?
Totally agree with every word mate. Have your jabs, sanitize regularly and wear a mask in shops. I can't see what else i can do. You have to live your life though or what's the point of it all?
AL for Parliament!