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Quote from: dickos1 on July 15, 2021, 08:38:18 pmOur defence is our strength. That’s why we only conceded one goal in open play throughout the whole tournament. We had 4 attacking players in most games, how many do you think we should have?That’s fine then…..so nearly everyone in the land noticed we played a very different 2nd half compared to the first, especially the sports writers and pundits…Some even compared it to the exit of the previous World Cup ….Lots of debate on here pointed to the fact we had a very strong attacking bench of players, The conclusion being ( not my opinion) that Southgate got something wrong….some say he never had a plan B, some say he bottled it for a mention on the honours list, which I don’t believe by the way…..Now I don’t know what he should have done ….but what I and many others witnessed was something he shouldn’t have done…..Perhaps we are just not ready for the big win and probably won’t be for a few years to come….
Our defence is our strength. That’s why we only conceded one goal in open play throughout the whole tournament. We had 4 attacking players in most games, how many do you think we should have?
Quote from: sha66y on July 15, 2021, 10:25:04 pmQuote from: dickos1 on July 15, 2021, 08:38:18 pmOur defence is our strength. That’s why we only conceded one goal in open play throughout the whole tournament. We had 4 attacking players in most games, how many do you think we should have?That’s fine then…..so nearly everyone in the land noticed we played a very different 2nd half compared to the first, especially the sports writers and pundits…Some even compared it to the exit of the previous World Cup ….Lots of debate on here pointed to the fact we had a very strong attacking bench of players, The conclusion being ( not my opinion) that Southgate got something wrong….some say he never had a plan B, some say he bottled it for a mention on the honours list, which I don’t believe by the way…..Now I don’t know what he should have done ….but what I and many others witnessed was something he shouldn’t have done…..Perhaps we are just not ready for the big win and probably won’t be for a few years to come….What you seem to be forgetting is that there were two sides playing, and the one we were playing were a very good side.We didn’t play any different, Italy did.And so they should they’re 1-0 down in a final with 45 mins to go, of course they going to be pushing for a goal.If it was the other way around so would we be.Yes we had a lot of good players on the bench but we can’t play them all, you may not realise but over the last few decades we’ve had managers that have shoehorned all our best players into the starting 11, and all we’ve had is abject failure. Southgate moulded a team, and the most successful team we’ve had for 55 years.
I'm not sure Southgate has what it takes to get England over the line. He doesn't strike me as a winner in the way that someone like Mancini (4 league titles, 4 Coppa Italias and 1 FA Cup) does.What concerns me most, however - and I've not seen it mentioned on here - is the fact that Southgate didn't seem to have learned from the Croatia WC semi-final defeat three years ago. The parallels from both games were uncanny. Early goal (coincidentally from full backs) and then we just....wait for the inevitable leveller.Purely in the final alone, he lacked the courage to keep his wing backs high. From 20 minutes on, we played with a back five and he perhaps should have gone to a flat back four.He lacked the courage to change things - Henderson's nous? Grealish's flair? - when it was clear to everyone that we had lost a foothold in the game.Putting on Rashford and Sancho specifically to take pens didn't work, whichever way you look at it.On home soil, to have surrendered a one goal lead in normal time and then the advantage in the shootout, well, we'll just never get that chance again I'm afraid.
What we will never know is if any of the other players would has taken a better penalty under pressure. That is totally different to taking them in training. I do feel though that if Rashford's had gone in there would have been less pressure on the other two and we would probably have won it.I'm not trying to blame anyone but it is very fine margins sometimes between winning and losing.
I’m assuming that Harry McGuire takes Man Utd penalties seems as he stepped right up ?
Quote from: sha66y on July 16, 2021, 03:51:27 pmI’m assuming that Harry McGuire takes Man Utd penalties seems as he stepped right up ? You’d assume wrong!They’ve been practising penalties for the last 6 weeks everyday. Maguire also took one in the last shootoutHe was right to choose maguire was he not?
How can it be mismanagement?He got to the final, we conceded one goal in open play throughout the whole tournament. Mismanagement came from the likes of Sven, capello, who had better players than we have now and consistently failed with them tournament after tournament
Quote from: dickos1 on July 16, 2021, 11:00:23 pmHow can it be mismanagement?He got to the final, we conceded one goal in open play throughout the whole tournament. Mismanagement came from the likes of Sven, capello, who had better players than we have now and consistently failed with them tournament after tournamentOnce again you pick up on the 2 word opinion of a poster “ mis-management” and give your opinion on those 2 words…Re read the original post and if you don’t agree with it say why!
All my pre match fears were confirmed last Sunday night when Verratti , Jorginho and co controlled the midfield .The uncomfortable truth is that we do not produce those kind of midfield players in this country who are so effective at the top level of international football .The PL is fast and aggressive and that's what the UK punters like to see , we do not care too much for possession based patient football in this country .It goes further too , we simply haven't the same technical ability to play out from the back as the top international teams do , light years away from the Spanish for instance .The sight of Pickford hoofing it down the field in the second half was cringeworthy for a nation in the final of a major tournament .We can thank our lucky stars we didn't come up against the Spaniards in the final because we would have been embarrassed even further in my opinion .The Italians couldn't get near them in their semi final .Southgate's done well and changed the culture around the England set up to great affect but he has his limitations tactically in my opinion and has too much of a cautious approach .The Brazilians would have found a way to get ALL those young attacking talented players on the field and let the opposition worry about them .Play to your strengths .However as I said earlier you can have all the talent in the world up top but if you can't get the ball and keep it then it's going to be extremely difficult at the highest level .
Maguire and stones and two of the most comfortable centre halves in the world, Shaw is outstanding technically. We’re very good at bashing our own in this country, Walker and maguire got in the team of the tournament it’s crazy. You mention Croatia, Denmark and Germany, yet we beat all 3 of them
I don’t recall any occasions where we looked panicked at the back, don’t recall any occasions where our defenders Mis-controlled balls. The one error which let in muller was made by Sterling. We had the best defence in the tournament, only one side scored against us in open play, The Czechs, scored 2 against Holland, Croatia 3 against Spain, Germany 4 against Portugal.None of them could score against us. You say we should play a more direct style but whatever style southgate has brought it has been the most successful style we’ve had for a very long time. Why would you change it