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I think we will definitely see an upturn in cases but not anything like the predictions Ferguson stated
Quote from: SydneyRover on July 26, 2021, 12:20:55 amQuote from: SydneyRover on July 25, 2021, 11:02:48 pmQuote from: dickos1 on July 25, 2021, 08:05:21 pmQuote from: GazLaz on July 25, 2021, 07:08:11 pmThe drop is due to the fact the kids are not at school isn’t it? Same as every other time they’ve been off. It’s no great mystery. Most schools in England finished Friday just gone. But if it is because of the schools then that’s exactly what the government said and why they chose this date to start relaxing the restrictions.[/b]''Coronavirus infections continue to fall in UK''"Today's figures do not of course include any impact of last Monday's end of restrictions. It will not be until about next Friday before the data includes the impact of this change."hmmmhttps://www.bbc.com/news/health-57962995dickos:''Lots of quotes you missed out there Sydney! Wonder why you just picked that one out''probably because it was the ''dogs balls'' comment dickos, you could continue the conversation by discussing what you said and how my comment/quote has a bearing on it ..... and how your comment stands up in the light of this information .. or not of course.The quote from the article has nothing to do with schools closing.And there were many quotes within the article that expressed an opinion that we won’t see any further increases etc etc etc But you ignored those ones
Quote from: SydneyRover on July 25, 2021, 11:02:48 pmQuote from: dickos1 on July 25, 2021, 08:05:21 pmQuote from: GazLaz on July 25, 2021, 07:08:11 pmThe drop is due to the fact the kids are not at school isn’t it? Same as every other time they’ve been off. It’s no great mystery. Most schools in England finished Friday just gone. But if it is because of the schools then that’s exactly what the government said and why they chose this date to start relaxing the restrictions.[/b]''Coronavirus infections continue to fall in UK''"Today's figures do not of course include any impact of last Monday's end of restrictions. It will not be until about next Friday before the data includes the impact of this change."hmmmhttps://www.bbc.com/news/health-57962995dickos:''Lots of quotes you missed out there Sydney! Wonder why you just picked that one out''probably because it was the ''dogs balls'' comment dickos, you could continue the conversation by discussing what you said and how my comment/quote has a bearing on it ..... and how your comment stands up in the light of this information .. or not of course.
Quote from: dickos1 on July 25, 2021, 08:05:21 pmQuote from: GazLaz on July 25, 2021, 07:08:11 pmThe drop is due to the fact the kids are not at school isn’t it? Same as every other time they’ve been off. It’s no great mystery. Most schools in England finished Friday just gone. But if it is because of the schools then that’s exactly what the government said and why they chose this date to start relaxing the restrictions.[/b]''Coronavirus infections continue to fall in UK''"Today's figures do not of course include any impact of last Monday's end of restrictions. It will not be until about next Friday before the data includes the impact of this change."hmmmhttps://www.bbc.com/news/health-57962995
Quote from: GazLaz on July 25, 2021, 07:08:11 pmThe drop is due to the fact the kids are not at school isn’t it? Same as every other time they’ve been off. It’s no great mystery. Most schools in England finished Friday just gone. But if it is because of the schools then that’s exactly what the government said and why they chose this date to start relaxing the restrictions.
The drop is due to the fact the kids are not at school isn’t it? Same as every other time they’ve been off. It’s no great mystery.
It's a two way thing. People post more when the facts suit their position more.I'm more than happy to say this fall in the infection rate is really exceeding my expectations. I still think we need to see more data before we can be confident it is falling and we won't see a return to growth though.
probably for the fact that it was unforeseen, maybe it means that scientists and government need to go back and look at how populations were vaccinated in the past the whole of the population including the kids, or even start with kids.
Quote from: dickos1 on July 26, 2021, 05:14:08 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on July 26, 2021, 12:20:55 amQuote from: SydneyRover on July 25, 2021, 11:02:48 pmQuote from: dickos1 on July 25, 2021, 08:05:21 pmQuote from: GazLaz on July 25, 2021, 07:08:11 pmThe drop is due to the fact the kids are not at school isn’t it? Same as every other time they’ve been off. It’s no great mystery. Most schools in England finished Friday just gone. But if it is because of the schools then that’s exactly what the government said and why they chose this date to start relaxing the restrictions.[/b]''Coronavirus infections continue to fall in UK''"Today's figures do not of course include any impact of last Monday's end of restrictions. It will not be until about next Friday before the data includes the impact of this change."hmmmhttps://www.bbc.com/news/health-57962995dickos:''Lots of quotes you missed out there Sydney! Wonder why you just picked that one out''probably because it was the ''dogs balls'' comment dickos, you could continue the conversation by discussing what you said and how my comment/quote has a bearing on it ..... and how your comment stands up in the light of this information .. or not of course.The quote from the article has nothing to do with schools closing.And there were many quotes within the article that expressed an opinion that we won’t see any further increases etc etc etc But you ignored those onesIf you wanted to write both sides of the debate you should have said a bit earlier dickos
Quote from: SydneyRover on July 26, 2021, 12:20:55 amQuote from: SydneyRover on July 25, 2021, 11:02:48 pmQuote from: dickos1 on July 25, 2021, 08:05:21 pmQuote from: GazLaz on July 25, 2021, 07:08:11 pmThe drop is due to the fact the kids are not at school isn’t it? Same as every other time they’ve been off. It’s no great mystery. Most schools in England finished Friday just gone. But if it is because of the schools then that’s exactly what the government said and why they chose this date to start relaxing the restrictions.[/b]''Coronavirus infections continue to fall in UK''"Today's figures do not of course include any impact of last Monday's end of restrictions. It will not be until about next Friday before the data includes the impact of this change."hmmmhttps://www.bbc.com/news/health-57962995dickos:''Lots of quotes you missed out there Sydney! Wonder why you just picked that one out''probably because it was the ''dogs balls'' comment dickos, you could continue the conversation by discussing what you said and how my comment/quote has a bearing on it ..... and how your comment stands up in the light of this information .. or not of course.The quote from the article has nothing to do with schools closing.And there were many quotes within the article that expressed an opinion that we won’t see any further increases etc etc etc But you ignored those ones
Quote from: SydneyRover on July 25, 2021, 11:02:48 pmQuote from: dickos1 on July 25, 2021, 08:05:21 pmQuote from: GazLaz on July 25, 2021, 07:08:11 pmThe drop is due to the fact the kids are not at school isn’t it? Same as every other time they’ve been off. It’s no great mystery. Most schools in England finished Friday just gone. But if it is because of the schools then that’s exactly what the government said and why they chose this date to start relaxing the restrictions.[/b]''Coronavirus infections continue to fall in UK''"Today's figures do not of course include any impact of last Monday's end of restrictions. It will not be until about next Friday before the data includes the impact of this change."hmmmhttps://www.bbc.com/news/health-57962995dickos:''Lots of quotes you missed out there Sydney! Wonder why you just picked that one out''probably because it was the ''dogs balls'' comment dickos, you could continue the conversation by discussing what you said and how my comment/quote has a bearing on it ..... and how your comment stands up in the light of this information .. or not of course.
Quote from: dickos1 on July 25, 2021, 08:05:21 pmQuote from: GazLaz on July 25, 2021, 07:08:11 pmThe drop is due to the fact the kids are not at school isn’t it? Same as every other time they’ve been off. It’s no great mystery. Most schools in England finished Friday just gone. But if it is because of the schools then that’s exactly what the government said and why they chose this date to start relaxing the restrictions.[/b]''Coronavirus infections continue to fall in UK''"Today's figures do not of course include any impact of last Monday's end of restrictions. It will not be until about next Friday before the data includes the impact of this change."hmmmhttps://www.bbc.com/news/health-57962995
Quote from: SydneyRover on July 26, 2021, 10:50:53 pmprobably for the fact that it was unforeseen, maybe it means that scientists and government need to go back and look at how populations were vaccinated in the past the whole of the population including the kids, or even start with kids. if they had started with kids there would be thousands if not tens of thousands more dead
bp, If they had locked down a lot earlier there would have been tens of thousands more alive. Going back to the start of this nightmare the only weapon governments had while a vaccination was developed was lockdown and isolation. The vaccination became available which the government rolled out at great speed, but having unvaccinated kids at school appears to be a great vector for spreading the disease (variant) Not sure about you but in normal times when the grand kids are at kindy, day school or whatever every household was full of colds and flu.
Quote from: SydneyRover on July 26, 2021, 11:12:08 pmbp, If they had locked down a lot earlier there would have been tens of thousands more alive. Going back to the start of this nightmare the only weapon governments had while a vaccination was developed was lockdown and isolation. The vaccination became available which the government rolled out at great speed, but having unvaccinated kids at school appears to be a great vector for spreading the disease (variant) Not sure about you but in normal times when the grand kids are at kindy, day school or whatever every household was full of colds and flu.Lockdown has been criticised by many people (who and when) for being too long and crippling the economy. Lives have been lost because of the lockdown(who, how many and when) lives ruined, businesses destroyed. There’s no right or wrong answer, if the lockdown has been for 3 months longer as you suggest then their would’ve been lots of ramifications from that. And you’d be on here criticising the government for crippling the economy
I guess you would have needed a good supply of (not out of date) ppe to ensure that went well pud.
Quote from: SydneyRover on July 27, 2021, 08:33:44 amI guess you would have needed a good supply of (not out of date) ppe to ensure that went well pud.Or just basics like keeping non covid patients away from covid patients. You may remember this happened to a relative of mine who's over 80, it was stupidity of the highest order.
Again you swing it back to the government. The guidelines were clear not to mix patients but for whatever reason hospitals didn't follow them. Matt Hancock couldn't go to dri and forceably do it could he?
Quote from: dickos1 on July 27, 2021, 07:06:55 amQuote from: SydneyRover on July 26, 2021, 11:12:08 pmbp, If they had locked down a lot earlier there would have been tens of thousands more alive. Going back to the start of this nightmare the only weapon governments had while a vaccination was developed was lockdown and isolation. The vaccination became available which the government rolled out at great speed, but having unvaccinated kids at school appears to be a great vector for spreading the disease (variant) Not sure about you but in normal times when the grand kids are at kindy, day school or whatever every household was full of colds and flu.Lockdown has been criticised by many people (who and when) for being too long and crippling the economy. Lives have been lost because of the lockdown(who, how many and when) lives ruined, businesses destroyed. There’s no right or wrong answer, if the lockdown has been for 3 months longer as you suggest then their would’ve been lots of ramifications from that. And you’d be on here criticising the government for crippling the economyWhen you bring back some evidence (f a c t s) to support your theory on lockdowns and who is it that doesn't support them I/we may get somewhere. A few dates may be helpful also so there is an understanding of when and what you are referring to. Also if you could point out where I mentioned 3 months that may jog my memory.You also need to separate the 'lives ruined' bit from the 'businesses ruined' bit so I/we know exactly what you are referring to.While you are at it you could also explain what should have been done to curb the spread of the virus between the bit where it started and the vaccines became available. That should keep you busy for a while although you could just ignore it if you don't have any answers. If any of your answer start with 'a mate down the pub' or fb maybe save your breath and time.
Quote from: SydneyRover on July 27, 2021, 07:49:18 amQuote from: dickos1 on July 27, 2021, 07:06:55 amQuote from: SydneyRover on July 26, 2021, 11:12:08 pmbp, If they had locked down a lot earlier there would have been tens of thousands more alive. Going back to the start of this nightmare the only weapon governments had while a vaccination was developed was lockdown and isolation. The vaccination became available which the government rolled out at great speed, but having unvaccinated kids at school appears to be a great vector for spreading the disease (variant) Not sure about you but in normal times when the grand kids are at kindy, day school or whatever every household was full of colds and flu.Lockdown has been criticised by many people (who and when) for being too long and crippling the economy. Lives have been lost because of the lockdown(who, how many and when) lives ruined, businesses destroyed. There’s no right or wrong answer, if the lockdown has been for 3 months longer as you suggest then their would’ve been lots of ramifications from that. And you’d be on here criticising the government for crippling the economyWhen you bring back some evidence (f a c t s) to support your theory on lockdowns and who is it that doesn't support them I/we may get somewhere. A few dates may be helpful also so there is an understanding of when and what you are referring to. Also if you could point out where I mentioned 3 months that may jog my memory.You also need to separate the 'lives ruined' bit from the 'businesses ruined' bit so I/we know exactly what you are referring to.While you are at it you could also explain what should have been done to curb the spread of the virus between the bit where it started and the vaccines became available. That should keep you busy for a while although you could just ignore it if you don't have any answers. If any of your answer start with 'a mate down the pub' or fb maybe save your breath and time.I know you’re the other side of the planet but I do wonder if you’re even on this planet. Because if you haven’t seen anyone criticising lockdowns then frankly you can’t be. I don’t need to change any words, lives have been ruined that’s a fact, people losing their homes, their livelihoods, family members taking their own lives. You’re in cuckoo land if you can’t accept lives have been ruined. I’m not arguing against lockdowns but it’s nonsense to suggest there hasn’t been criticism of them nor that they haven’t caused lives to be ruined. A lot of your posts have zero relevance to facts yet you keep asking others to provide them. Regarding PPE, there was plenty of PPE available to the NHS, we supplied it and were in contact with them daily asking if they wanted more but they said it was all in hand, so much of the issue with supplies was down to the procurement team within the NHS, I know for a fact we weren’t the only people offering them PPE