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Do we really have to suffer this type of post every time there is a defeat. He bloke took us up comfortably last year.
Quote from: dickos1 on February 15, 2018, 09:14:24 amThe strong differing opinions are remarkable on here some strongly blaming the manager and defending the board others strongly blaming the board and defending the manager, some strongly blaming the players, Surely it is a bit of all these elements it's a bit weird to blame just one Quote from: steve@dcfd on February 15, 2018, 09:05:20 amYet again it’s all about the manager who does have his faults yet if anybody dares to criticise the board and budget they are jumped upon. Because your criticisms of the board and budget are based on guesswork and prejudice. Despite the bare facts staring you in the face, and the amount of times I've offered information contrary to your position, you still choose to blame the board and budget for our seeming demise.Last season the current owners wrote off outstanding loans of £14m. This club is currently in the best financial health during the 50 years that I've been supporting them, yet for some reason known only to yourself it seems that that isn't good enough.
The strong differing opinions are remarkable on here some strongly blaming the manager and defending the board others strongly blaming the board and defending the manager, some strongly blaming the players, Surely it is a bit of all these elements it's a bit weird to blame just one
Yet again it’s all about the manager who does have his faults yet if anybody dares to criticise the board and budget they are jumped upon.
This manager has been given a competitive budget for this league.It is up to him to spend it wisely. Has he? That’s up for debate.Blaming the board is total nonesense. How many owners outside the Premiership have put their hands in their pockets to the level ours have using their own personal money. Not many I can tell you.Most championship clubs are using parachute payments and or TV money. BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR. We are one of the best run clubs in the football league.
Quote from: Campsall rover on February 15, 2018, 12:41:27 pmThis manager has been given a competitive budget for this league.It is up to him to spend it wisely. Has he? That’s up for debate.Blaming the board is total nonesense. How many owners outside the Premiership have put their hands in their pockets to the level ours have using their own personal money. Not many I can tell you.Most championship clubs are using parachute payments and or TV money. BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR. We are one of the best run clubs in the football league. Where are the facts that show what our budget is. Is it competitive but we couldn’t sign a striker in the summer, we couldn’t sign a left sided centre half we haven’t signed a left sided midfield player.The last time we were in League 1 it was 4m and that was below mid spending then. Is it more than that?It was never planned to sign Houghton this season, we signed a loan player Whiteman which was not planned, but if we had not we would have had to bring in another player. It was a necessity.We had to loan two centre halves but if we had not our predicament would have been worst than it is now. It was a necessity.The budget we have also include players that we could not get rid of in the summer. You can’t tell me that the young players we have signed have cost the club money. So this season we signed Kiwomya and Andrews. The rest were loans. Hardly spending the money un wisely.
Some would argue too comfortably we lost the last 4 costing the title
Quote from: aidanstu on February 15, 2018, 08:57:30 amDo we really have to suffer this type of post every time there is a defeat. He bloke took us up comfortably last year.You were not there on Tuesday quite clearly. If you were I would be flabbergasted at that comment!!!It’s not the defeat or a draw, I can always accept them as they will happen.It’s the tacticts, formation and the level of performance we are concerned about. In all my years of being a fan I have never had a rant like this before. There is a reason for it.I am a very positive person always a glass half full person. I am only commenting on what I can see out on the field of play. We have good players Yes we are short of 3 /4 quality players that would turn us into a promotion challenging team but no way should we be getting into a relegation scrap, it’s the manager and coach that’s the problem.
Quote from: aidanstu on February 15, 2018, 08:57:30 amDo we really have to suffer this type of post every time there is a defeat. He bloke took us up comfortably last year.He also comfortably took us down the year before.
Yaya forgot about Mason. But in the debate about Marquis I was asked by Martin what I thought we would pay per week I said I thought it would have to be about 8k? Dont think I ever said the board wouldnt pay for his extension. We may have lost him therefore we would had to replace him. Which would have been more expensive for a league 1 proven striker.I appreciate they cost money but we had to sign players otherwise we would be worse off. We have 19 fit players of so called league standard if we hadnt signed those three we were in dire street. So they were a necessity.
If Marquis is on half that Id be quite surprised.
Quote from: steve@dcfd on February 15, 2018, 01:07:34 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on February 15, 2018, 12:41:27 pmThis manager has been given a competitive budget for this league.It is up to him to spend it wisely. Has he? That’s up for debate.Blaming the board is total nonesense. How many owners outside the Premiership have put their hands in their pockets to the level ours have using their own personal money. Not many I can tell you.Most championship clubs are using parachute payments and or TV money. BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR. We are one of the best run clubs in the football league. Where are the facts that show what our budget is. Is it competitive but we couldn’t sign a striker in the summer, we couldn’t sign a left sided centre half we haven’t signed a left sided midfield player.The last time we were in League 1 it was 4m and that was below mid spending then. Is it more than that?It was never planned to sign Houghton this season, we signed a loan player Whiteman which was not planned, but if we had not we would have had to bring in another player. It was a necessity.We had to loan two centre halves but if we had not our predicament would have been worst than it is now. It was a necessity.The budget we have also include players that we could not get rid of in the summer. You can’t tell me that the young players we have signed have cost the club money. So this season we signed Kiwomya and Andrews. The rest were loans. Hardly spending the money un wisely.That 4 million was 12th highest which is either mid or top half. It isn't below mid, unless you're shit maths.
Again I was a question my opinion thats where the figure came from now he may not be on that. But the budgets of teams that where in the top six and hence promoted last season were at least twice our league 1 budget, the last time we were in the league. It may be not this year. But I am not privy to that information and facts. Strikers are an expensive commodity and will cost more especially if they had scored 26 goals the previous season. As for Whiteman only time will tell if it was worth spending but we ought to able to buy are own players. Not just to rely on loans
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on February 15, 2018, 03:58:38 pmQuote from: steve@dcfd on February 15, 2018, 01:07:34 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on February 15, 2018, 12:41:27 pmThis manager has been given a competitive budget for this league.It is up to him to spend it wisely. Has he? Thats up for debate.Blaming the board is total nonesense. How many owners outside the Premiership have put their hands in their pockets to the level ours have using their own personal money. Not many I can tell you.Most championship clubs are using parachute payments and or TV money. BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR. We are one of the best run clubs in the football league. Where are the facts that show what our budget is. Is it competitive but we couldnt sign a striker in the summer, we couldnt sign a left sided centre half we havent signed a left sided midfield player.The last time we were in League 1 it was 4m and that was below mid spending then. Is it more than that?It was never planned to sign Houghton this season, we signed a loan player Whiteman which was not planned, but if we had not we would have had to bring in another player. It was a necessity.We had to loan two centre halves but if we had not our predicament would have been worst than it is now. It was a necessity.The budget we have also include players that we could not get rid of in the summer. You cant tell me that the young players we have signed have cost the club money. So this season we signed Kiwomya and Andrews. The rest were loans. Hardly spending the money un wisely.That 4 million was 12th highest which is either mid or top half. It isn't below mid, unless you're shit maths.Having double checked the charts I saw you are right it was 12th, where do we stand this season?
Quote from: steve@dcfd on February 15, 2018, 01:07:34 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on February 15, 2018, 12:41:27 pmThis manager has been given a competitive budget for this league.It is up to him to spend it wisely. Has he? Thats up for debate.Blaming the board is total nonesense. How many owners outside the Premiership have put their hands in their pockets to the level ours have using their own personal money. Not many I can tell you.Most championship clubs are using parachute payments and or TV money. BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR. We are one of the best run clubs in the football league. Where are the facts that show what our budget is. Is it competitive but we couldnt sign a striker in the summer, we couldnt sign a left sided centre half we havent signed a left sided midfield player.The last time we were in League 1 it was 4m and that was below mid spending then. Is it more than that?It was never planned to sign Houghton this season, we signed a loan player Whiteman which was not planned, but if we had not we would have had to bring in another player. It was a necessity.We had to loan two centre halves but if we had not our predicament would have been worst than it is now. It was a necessity.The budget we have also include players that we could not get rid of in the summer. You cant tell me that the young players we have signed have cost the club money. So this season we signed Kiwomya and Andrews. The rest were loans. Hardly spending the money un wisely.That 4 million was 12th highest which is either mid or top half. It isn't below mid, unless you're shit maths.
Quote from: Campsall rover on February 15, 2018, 12:41:27 pmThis manager has been given a competitive budget for this league.It is up to him to spend it wisely. Has he? Thats up for debate.Blaming the board is total nonesense. How many owners outside the Premiership have put their hands in their pockets to the level ours have using their own personal money. Not many I can tell you.Most championship clubs are using parachute payments and or TV money. BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR. We are one of the best run clubs in the football league. Where are the facts that show what our budget is. Is it competitive but we couldnt sign a striker in the summer, we couldnt sign a left sided centre half we havent signed a left sided midfield player.The last time we were in League 1 it was 4m and that was below mid spending then. Is it more than that?It was never planned to sign Houghton this season, we signed a loan player Whiteman which was not planned, but if we had not we would have had to bring in another player. It was a necessity.We had to loan two centre halves but if we had not our predicament would have been worst than it is now. It was a necessity.The budget we have also include players that we could not get rid of in the summer. You cant tell me that the young players we have signed have cost the club money. So this season we signed Kiwomya and Andrews. The rest were loans. Hardly spending the money un wisely.
This manager has been given a competitive budget for this league.It is up to him to spend it wisely. Has he? Thats up for debate.Blaming the board is total nonesense. How many owners outside the Premiership have put their hands in their pockets to the level ours have using their own personal money. Not many I can tell you.Most championship clubs are using parachute payments and or TV money. BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR. We are one of the best run clubs in the football league.
Quote from: steve@dcfd on February 15, 2018, 04:09:10 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on February 15, 2018, 03:58:38 pmQuote from: steve@dcfd on February 15, 2018, 01:07:34 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on February 15, 2018, 12:41:27 pmThis manager has been given a competitive budget for this league.It is up to him to spend it wisely. Has he? Thats up for debate.Blaming the board is total nonesense. How many owners outside the Premiership have put their hands in their pockets to the level ours have using their own personal money. Not many I can tell you.Most championship clubs are using parachute payments and or TV money. BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR. We are one of the best run clubs in the football league. Where are the facts that show what our budget is. Is it competitive but we couldnt sign a striker in the summer, we couldnt sign a left sided centre half we havent signed a left sided midfield player.The last time we were in League 1 it was 4m and that was below mid spending then. Is it more than that?It was never planned to sign Houghton this season, we signed a loan player Whiteman which was not planned, but if we had not we would have had to bring in another player. It was a necessity.We had to loan two centre halves but if we had not our predicament would have been worst than it is now. It was a necessity.The budget we have also include players that we could not get rid of in the summer. You cant tell me that the young players we have signed have cost the club money. So this season we signed Kiwomya and Andrews. The rest were loans. Hardly spending the money un wisely.That 4 million was 12th highest which is either mid or top half. It isn't below mid, unless you're shit maths.Having double checked the charts I saw you are right it was 12th, where do we stand this season?Steve if you don't know where we stand this season, then you're not really in a position to question the relative size of the budget.With all due respect, you're effectively admitting you've no idea what you're talking about.
Quote from: vaya on February 15, 2018, 04:27:39 pmQuote from: steve@dcfd on February 15, 2018, 04:09:10 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on February 15, 2018, 03:58:38 pmQuote from: steve@dcfd on February 15, 2018, 01:07:34 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on February 15, 2018, 12:41:27 pmThis manager has been given a competitive budget for this league.It is up to him to spend it wisely. Has he? That’s up for debate.Blaming the board is total nonesense. How many owners outside the Premiership have put their hands in their pockets to the level ours have using their own personal money. Not many I can tell you.Most championship clubs are using parachute payments and or TV money. BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR. We are one of the best run clubs in the football league. Where are the facts that show what our budget is. Is it competitive but we couldn’t sign a striker in the summer, we couldn’t sign a left sided centre half we haven’t signed a left sided midfield player.The last time we were in League 1 it was 4m and that was below mid spending then. Is it more than that?It was never planned to sign Houghton this season, we signed a loan player Whiteman which was not planned, but if we had not we would have had to bring in another player. It was a necessity.We had to loan two centre halves but if we had not our predicament would have been worst than it is now. It was a necessity.The budget we have also include players that we could not get rid of in the summer. You can’t tell me that the young players we have signed have cost the club money. So this season we signed Kiwomya and Andrews. The rest were loans. Hardly spending the money un wisely.That 4 million was 12th highest which is either mid or top half. It isn't below mid, unless you're shit maths.Having double checked the charts I saw you are right it was 12th, where do we stand this season?Steve if you don't know where we stand this season, then you're not really in a position to question the relative size of the budget.With all due respect, you're effectively admitting you've no idea what you're talking about.Yaya where are the facts that show me where we stand, I can only go on what has been said that we have a competitive budget some have said a top 8 budget.
Quote from: steve@dcfd on February 15, 2018, 04:09:10 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on February 15, 2018, 03:58:38 pmQuote from: steve@dcfd on February 15, 2018, 01:07:34 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on February 15, 2018, 12:41:27 pmThis manager has been given a competitive budget for this league.It is up to him to spend it wisely. Has he? That’s up for debate.Blaming the board is total nonesense. How many owners outside the Premiership have put their hands in their pockets to the level ours have using their own personal money. Not many I can tell you.Most championship clubs are using parachute payments and or TV money. BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR. We are one of the best run clubs in the football league. Where are the facts that show what our budget is. Is it competitive but we couldn’t sign a striker in the summer, we couldn’t sign a left sided centre half we haven’t signed a left sided midfield player.The last time we were in League 1 it was 4m and that was below mid spending then. Is it more than that?It was never planned to sign Houghton this season, we signed a loan player Whiteman which was not planned, but if we had not we would have had to bring in another player. It was a necessity.We had to loan two centre halves but if we had not our predicament would have been worst than it is now. It was a necessity.The budget we have also include players that we could not get rid of in the summer. You can’t tell me that the young players we have signed have cost the club money. So this season we signed Kiwomya and Andrews. The rest were loans. Hardly spending the money un wisely.That 4 million was 12th highest which is either mid or top half. It isn't below mid, unless you're shit maths.Having double checked the charts I saw you are right it was 12th, where do we stand this season?Steve if you don't know where we stand this season, then you're not really in a position to question the relative size of the budget.With all due respect, you're effectively admitting you've no idea what you're talking about.
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on February 15, 2018, 03:58:38 pmQuote from: steve@dcfd on February 15, 2018, 01:07:34 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on February 15, 2018, 12:41:27 pmThis manager has been given a competitive budget for this league.It is up to him to spend it wisely. Has he? That’s up for debate.Blaming the board is total nonesense. How many owners outside the Premiership have put their hands in their pockets to the level ours have using their own personal money. Not many I can tell you.Most championship clubs are using parachute payments and or TV money. BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR. We are one of the best run clubs in the football league. Where are the facts that show what our budget is. Is it competitive but we couldn’t sign a striker in the summer, we couldn’t sign a left sided centre half we haven’t signed a left sided midfield player.The last time we were in League 1 it was 4m and that was below mid spending then. Is it more than that?It was never planned to sign Houghton this season, we signed a loan player Whiteman which was not planned, but if we had not we would have had to bring in another player. It was a necessity.We had to loan two centre halves but if we had not our predicament would have been worst than it is now. It was a necessity.The budget we have also include players that we could not get rid of in the summer. You can’t tell me that the young players we have signed have cost the club money. So this season we signed Kiwomya and Andrews. The rest were loans. Hardly spending the money un wisely.That 4 million was 12th highest which is either mid or top half. It isn't below mid, unless you're shit maths.Having double checked the charts I saw you are right it was 12th, where do we stand this season?
There's a lot of nonsense talked about budgets IMO. Accrington Stanley have (I believe) the second smallest playing budget in League Two. They are currently second in the table.