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Maybe if they took the cost to fly people in and added it to local wages there could be more takers?
There's a significant difference between free movement within the EU and an immigration policy that is controlled .It was fairly obvious to me that immigration wouldn't end for the reasons pointed out on this thread and neither did I want it to .However having the ability to control the numbers and identify the skills we needed was important to me .However for political purposes the Tories decided to obtain a huge stick and play to their right wing audience and beat Johnny Foreigner with it .Now they are beginning to look rather stupid as well as those who swallowed it hook , line and sinker .I repeat there is a significant difference between controlling your own borders and having very little control at all .As I said in another thread some wriggle room on free movement from the EU would have seen Remain home and dry in the referendum .
Quote from: tyke1962 on May 20, 2020, 09:37:58 amThere's a significant difference between free movement within the EU and an immigration policy that is controlled .It was fairly obvious to me that immigration wouldn't end for the reasons pointed out on this thread and neither did I want it to .However having the ability to control the numbers and identify the skills we needed was important to me .However for political purposes the Tories decided to obtain a huge stick and play to their right wing audience and beat Johnny Foreigner with it .Now they are beginning to look rather stupid as well as those who swallowed it hook , line and sinker .I repeat there is a significant difference between controlling your own borders and having very little control at all .As I said in another thread some wriggle room on free movement from the EU would have seen Remain home and dry in the referendum .What skills would you have identified as veg pickers needing to have?
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on May 20, 2020, 10:38:19 amQuote from: tyke1962 on May 20, 2020, 09:37:58 amThere's a significant difference between free movement within the EU and an immigration policy that is controlled .It was fairly obvious to me that immigration wouldn't end for the reasons pointed out on this thread and neither did I want it to .However having the ability to control the numbers and identify the skills we needed was important to me .However for political purposes the Tories decided to obtain a huge stick and play to their right wing audience and beat Johnny Foreigner with it .Now they are beginning to look rather stupid as well as those who swallowed it hook , line and sinker .I repeat there is a significant difference between controlling your own borders and having very little control at all .As I said in another thread some wriggle room on free movement from the EU would have seen Remain home and dry in the referendum .What skills would you have identified as veg pickers needing to have?From what I gather its not a job anyone can do , first of all you have to be fit and be able to work quickly and effectively .I wouldn't go as far as to say it's super skilled but it's not suitable for everyone either .The people who come here to do this work have the attributes needed and clearly have the trust of the producers .It's what you would class as a horses for courses job apparently .
Quote from: tyke1962 on May 20, 2020, 06:12:49 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on May 20, 2020, 10:38:19 amQuote from: tyke1962 on May 20, 2020, 09:37:58 amThere's a significant difference between free movement within the EU and an immigration policy that is controlled .It was fairly obvious to me that immigration wouldn't end for the reasons pointed out on this thread and neither did I want it to .However having the ability to control the numbers and identify the skills we needed was important to me .However for political purposes the Tories decided to obtain a huge stick and play to their right wing audience and beat Johnny Foreigner with it .Now they are beginning to look rather stupid as well as those who swallowed it hook , line and sinker .I repeat there is a significant difference between controlling your own borders and having very little control at all .As I said in another thread some wriggle room on free movement from the EU would have seen Remain home and dry in the referendum .What skills would you have identified as veg pickers needing to have?From what I gather its not a job anyone can do , first of all you have to be fit and be able to work quickly and effectively .I wouldn't go as far as to say it's super skilled but it's not suitable for everyone either .The people who come here to do this work have the attributes needed and clearly have the trust of the producers .It's what you would class as a horses for courses job apparently .You're confusing being skilled with physical fitness. Veg pickers are unskilled manual workers.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on May 20, 2020, 06:46:59 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on May 20, 2020, 06:12:49 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on May 20, 2020, 10:38:19 amQuote from: tyke1962 on May 20, 2020, 09:37:58 amThere's a significant difference between free movement within the EU and an immigration policy that is controlled .It was fairly obvious to me that immigration wouldn't end for the reasons pointed out on this thread and neither did I want it to .However having the ability to control the numbers and identify the skills we needed was important to me .However for political purposes the Tories decided to obtain a huge stick and play to their right wing audience and beat Johnny Foreigner with it .Now they are beginning to look rather stupid as well as those who swallowed it hook , line and sinker .I repeat there is a significant difference between controlling your own borders and having very little control at all .As I said in another thread some wriggle room on free movement from the EU would have seen Remain home and dry in the referendum .What skills would you have identified as veg pickers needing to have?From what I gather its not a job anyone can do , first of all you have to be fit and be able to work quickly and effectively .I wouldn't go as far as to say it's super skilled but it's not suitable for everyone either .The people who come here to do this work have the attributes needed and clearly have the trust of the producers .It's what you would class as a horses for courses job apparently .You're confusing being skilled with physical fitness. Veg pickers are unskilled manual workers.I'm not confusing anything , I said it wasn't super skilled but it isn't a job anyone can do either , it's a specialist occupation .Those who do this kind of work and do it year in and year out are cut from a certain cloth , it's unfair to put them in a box marked unskilled manual worker in my opinion .It also falls under the title of seasonal work and presents a good example of migrant workers coming to the UK and earning a few quid and providing workers we need but doesn't necessarily reconcile with having the right to work and live here permanently either .
Quote from: tyke1962 on May 20, 2020, 07:25:22 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on May 20, 2020, 06:46:59 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on May 20, 2020, 06:12:49 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on May 20, 2020, 10:38:19 amQuote from: tyke1962 on May 20, 2020, 09:37:58 amThere's a significant difference between free movement within the EU and an immigration policy that is controlled .It was fairly obvious to me that immigration wouldn't end for the reasons pointed out on this thread and neither did I want it to .However having the ability to control the numbers and identify the skills we needed was important to me .However for political purposes the Tories decided to obtain a huge stick and play to their right wing audience and beat Johnny Foreigner with it .Now they are beginning to look rather stupid as well as those who swallowed it hook , line and sinker .I repeat there is a significant difference between controlling your own borders and having very little control at all .As I said in another thread some wriggle room on free movement from the EU would have seen Remain home and dry in the referendum .What skills would you have identified as veg pickers needing to have?From what I gather its not a job anyone can do , first of all you have to be fit and be able to work quickly and effectively .I wouldn't go as far as to say it's super skilled but it's not suitable for everyone either .The people who come here to do this work have the attributes needed and clearly have the trust of the producers .It's what you would class as a horses for courses job apparently .You're confusing being skilled with physical fitness. Veg pickers are unskilled manual workers.I'm not confusing anything , I said it wasn't super skilled but it isn't a job anyone can do either , it's a specialist occupation .Those who do this kind of work and do it year in and year out are cut from a certain cloth , it's unfair to put them in a box marked unskilled manual worker in my opinion .It also falls under the title of seasonal work and presents a good example of migrant workers coming to the UK and earning a few quid and providing workers we need but doesn't necessarily reconcile with having the right to work and live here permanently either .A good summary there tyke.If it is a job that anyone can do I wonder why there is a shortage of workers for those jobs.
Quote from: drfchound on May 20, 2020, 09:01:31 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on May 20, 2020, 07:25:22 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on May 20, 2020, 06:46:59 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on May 20, 2020, 06:12:49 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on May 20, 2020, 10:38:19 amQuote from: tyke1962 on May 20, 2020, 09:37:58 amThere's a significant difference between free movement within the EU and an immigration policy that is controlled .It was fairly obvious to me that immigration wouldn't end for the reasons pointed out on this thread and neither did I want it to .However having the ability to control the numbers and identify the skills we needed was important to me .However for political purposes the Tories decided to obtain a huge stick and play to their right wing audience and beat Johnny Foreigner with it .Now they are beginning to look rather stupid as well as those who swallowed it hook , line and sinker .I repeat there is a significant difference between controlling your own borders and having very little control at all .As I said in another thread some wriggle room on free movement from the EU would have seen Remain home and dry in the referendum .What skills would you have identified as veg pickers needing to have?From what I gather its not a job anyone can do , first of all you have to be fit and be able to work quickly and effectively .I wouldn't go as far as to say it's super skilled but it's not suitable for everyone either .The people who come here to do this work have the attributes needed and clearly have the trust of the producers .It's what you would class as a horses for courses job apparently .You're confusing being skilled with physical fitness. Veg pickers are unskilled manual workers.I'm not confusing anything , I said it wasn't super skilled but it isn't a job anyone can do either , it's a specialist occupation .Those who do this kind of work and do it year in and year out are cut from a certain cloth , it's unfair to put them in a box marked unskilled manual worker in my opinion .It also falls under the title of seasonal work and presents a good example of migrant workers coming to the UK and earning a few quid and providing workers we need but doesn't necessarily reconcile with having the right to work and live here permanently either .A good summary there tyke.If it is a job that anyone can do I wonder why there is a shortage of workers for those jobs.Exactly .
The farmers should drag the people from Boston out of their homes by their ears . Who the heck did they think was going to bring the harvests in if they got rid of the migrant workers?