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Quote from: Ldr on October 23, 2020, 10:44:29 amQuote from: Filo on October 23, 2020, 10:35:47 amQuote from: Ldr on October 23, 2020, 10:22:02 amQuote from: bobjimwilly on October 22, 2020, 11:43:34 pmAnyone who thinks it's ok for the government to spend £150m on unusable PPE masks, or £500m so families can eat out for half-price, or give £13.8m to a ferry company with no ferries, but won't spend anything to ensure kids don't go hungry over the coming school holidays, is a scumbag. And don't try to convince anyone otherwise; just go look in the mirror and admit it to yourself - your are a scumbag.As an aside and putting the correctness of the point to one side. BJW here illustrates why a lot of ppl, myself included, are reluctant to support Labour, the "if you don't agree with me you're scum" attitude of many on that sideHer aunty had recently died from covid, and that bas**rd labelled her opportunistic, and then made an attempt at faux outrage when he tried to turn it round, probably difficult for her to control her disgust after labelling her aunty’s death as opportunistic, but at the end of the day what she said was correct, they are scumComplete missing of my pointQuite deliberately as well no doubt. But did you really think for a minute a tory supporter would ever deny that a PM giving billions to his mates was anything other than a scumbag
Quote from: Filo on October 23, 2020, 10:35:47 amQuote from: Ldr on October 23, 2020, 10:22:02 amQuote from: bobjimwilly on October 22, 2020, 11:43:34 pmAnyone who thinks it's ok for the government to spend £150m on unusable PPE masks, or £500m so families can eat out for half-price, or give £13.8m to a ferry company with no ferries, but won't spend anything to ensure kids don't go hungry over the coming school holidays, is a scumbag. And don't try to convince anyone otherwise; just go look in the mirror and admit it to yourself - your are a scumbag.As an aside and putting the correctness of the point to one side. BJW here illustrates why a lot of ppl, myself included, are reluctant to support Labour, the "if you don't agree with me you're scum" attitude of many on that sideHer aunty had recently died from covid, and that bas**rd labelled her opportunistic, and then made an attempt at faux outrage when he tried to turn it round, probably difficult for her to control her disgust after labelling her aunty’s death as opportunistic, but at the end of the day what she said was correct, they are scumComplete missing of my point
Quote from: Ldr on October 23, 2020, 10:22:02 amQuote from: bobjimwilly on October 22, 2020, 11:43:34 pmAnyone who thinks it's ok for the government to spend £150m on unusable PPE masks, or £500m so families can eat out for half-price, or give £13.8m to a ferry company with no ferries, but won't spend anything to ensure kids don't go hungry over the coming school holidays, is a scumbag. And don't try to convince anyone otherwise; just go look in the mirror and admit it to yourself - your are a scumbag.As an aside and putting the correctness of the point to one side. BJW here illustrates why a lot of ppl, myself included, are reluctant to support Labour, the "if you don't agree with me you're scum" attitude of many on that sideHer aunty had recently died from covid, and that bas**rd labelled her opportunistic, and then made an attempt at faux outrage when he tried to turn it round, probably difficult for her to control her disgust after labelling her aunty’s death as opportunistic, but at the end of the day what she said was correct, they are scum
Quote from: bobjimwilly on October 22, 2020, 11:43:34 pmAnyone who thinks it's ok for the government to spend £150m on unusable PPE masks, or £500m so families can eat out for half-price, or give £13.8m to a ferry company with no ferries, but won't spend anything to ensure kids don't go hungry over the coming school holidays, is a scumbag. And don't try to convince anyone otherwise; just go look in the mirror and admit it to yourself - your are a scumbag.As an aside and putting the correctness of the point to one side. BJW here illustrates why a lot of ppl, myself included, are reluctant to support Labour, the "if you don't agree with me you're scum" attitude of many on that side
Anyone who thinks it's ok for the government to spend £150m on unusable PPE masks, or £500m so families can eat out for half-price, or give £13.8m to a ferry company with no ferries, but won't spend anything to ensure kids don't go hungry over the coming school holidays, is a scumbag. And don't try to convince anyone otherwise; just go look in the mirror and admit it to yourself - your are a scumbag.
Quote from: ravenrover on October 22, 2020, 06:13:41 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on October 22, 2020, 03:36:05 pmQuote from: MachoMadness on October 22, 2020, 03:22:41 pmYou do know that this is all happening under capitalism, don't you? I was starting to think there were a few things even you wouldn't use to bait the lefties, BB. Obviously starving kids isn't one of them.MM, this often doesn't go down well with your generation, but there's a difference between being skint and just about managing as you describe and being below the poverty line. This generation is going through hardships that yours couldn't even imagine. Most parents in poverty are in work - https://www.jrf.org.uk/report/what-has-driven-rise-work-poverty - some in several jobs. Many are on insecure zero hour contracts. There's no safety net there for them. If you ate well, you were lucky. Privileged. Kids today are not so lucky. I assure you, you're getting annoyed at the wrong thing.If you have an iPhone, loads of tattoos and smoke cigs you are not in poverty. That is a life choice on how you spend money. I don't have a phone, computer or foreign holidays, I put my money into my home, it is my life choice.Just out of interest AL but no phone or computer, how do you manage to post on here?Computer at work.
Quote from: Axholme Lion on October 22, 2020, 03:36:05 pmQuote from: MachoMadness on October 22, 2020, 03:22:41 pmYou do know that this is all happening under capitalism, don't you? I was starting to think there were a few things even you wouldn't use to bait the lefties, BB. Obviously starving kids isn't one of them.MM, this often doesn't go down well with your generation, but there's a difference between being skint and just about managing as you describe and being below the poverty line. This generation is going through hardships that yours couldn't even imagine. Most parents in poverty are in work - https://www.jrf.org.uk/report/what-has-driven-rise-work-poverty - some in several jobs. Many are on insecure zero hour contracts. There's no safety net there for them. If you ate well, you were lucky. Privileged. Kids today are not so lucky. I assure you, you're getting annoyed at the wrong thing.If you have an iPhone, loads of tattoos and smoke cigs you are not in poverty. That is a life choice on how you spend money. I don't have a phone, computer or foreign holidays, I put my money into my home, it is my life choice.Just out of interest AL but no phone or computer, how do you manage to post on here?
Quote from: MachoMadness on October 22, 2020, 03:22:41 pmYou do know that this is all happening under capitalism, don't you? I was starting to think there were a few things even you wouldn't use to bait the lefties, BB. Obviously starving kids isn't one of them.MM, this often doesn't go down well with your generation, but there's a difference between being skint and just about managing as you describe and being below the poverty line. This generation is going through hardships that yours couldn't even imagine. Most parents in poverty are in work - https://www.jrf.org.uk/report/what-has-driven-rise-work-poverty - some in several jobs. Many are on insecure zero hour contracts. There's no safety net there for them. If you ate well, you were lucky. Privileged. Kids today are not so lucky. I assure you, you're getting annoyed at the wrong thing.If you have an iPhone, loads of tattoos and smoke cigs you are not in poverty. That is a life choice on how you spend money. I don't have a phone, computer or foreign holidays, I put my money into my home, it is my life choice.
You do know that this is all happening under capitalism, don't you? I was starting to think there were a few things even you wouldn't use to bait the lefties, BB. Obviously starving kids isn't one of them.MM, this often doesn't go down well with your generation, but there's a difference between being skint and just about managing as you describe and being below the poverty line. This generation is going through hardships that yours couldn't even imagine. Most parents in poverty are in work - https://www.jrf.org.uk/report/what-has-driven-rise-work-poverty - some in several jobs. Many are on insecure zero hour contracts. There's no safety net there for them. If you ate well, you were lucky. Privileged. Kids today are not so lucky. I assure you, you're getting annoyed at the wrong thing.
Cambridge University Press describes "scum" as a very bad or immoral person or group of people:I think that description fits one person in particular and the group of people doesn't really need further explanation does it?
Quote from: EasyforDennis on October 23, 2020, 02:00:23 pmCambridge University Press describes "scum" as a very bad or immoral person or group of people:I think that description fits one person in particular and the group of people doesn't really need further explanation does it?Sorry to disagree E4D but the post by bjw clearly advises the reader to "go look in the mirror and admit it to yourself, your (should be you're) a scumbag.
Quote from: drfchound on October 23, 2020, 02:52:31 pmQuote from: EasyforDennis on October 23, 2020, 02:00:23 pmCambridge University Press describes "scum" as a very bad or immoral person or group of people:I think that description fits one person in particular and the group of people doesn't really need further explanation does it?Sorry to disagree E4D but the post by bjw clearly advises the reader to "go look in the mirror and admit it to yourself, your (should be you're) a scumbag.Whilst I agree with what you say there are others who might interpret it differently. A bit like the Tier 3 lockdown rules which are not exactly crystal clear.
Quote from: wilts rover on October 22, 2020, 03:26:01 pmQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on October 22, 2020, 02:18:34 pmQuote from: wilts rover on October 22, 2020, 12:59:22 pmOver the summer the taxpayer subsidised families, however wealthy, going out for a meal via the Eat Out to Help Out Scheme.Taxpayers subsidise the cafes and restaraunts in the HoC where MP's earn £80 000 a year.Why is it the country can't provide meals for children whose parents have been made redundant, or had their wages cut due to no fault of their own, over the half-term holidays again?Why can't councils use the funds they receive for unused school meals and keep at full profit?Because they are not allowed. Neither are schools. That's what yesterdys vote was about that the Tory's voted against - extending provision of a service.There is no left-over money anyway. Our school precept is decided by a number of criteria and the number of children on roll entitled to FSM is one of them. We then allocate the budget on that. It doesn't matter if the children eat the meals or not - or even leave - the money has been and gone before the year even starts. How have Doncaster managed it then?I have physically seen and been involved in the conversations to look at how much can be made out of FSM. As an example those on FSM will get an allowance each day. If that allowance is unused the allowance is removed from the account of the child. Where is that money going?Also for those that do pay how is it right that profit is added in some cases by 4 different entities before a child is charged?
Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on October 22, 2020, 02:18:34 pmQuote from: wilts rover on October 22, 2020, 12:59:22 pmOver the summer the taxpayer subsidised families, however wealthy, going out for a meal via the Eat Out to Help Out Scheme.Taxpayers subsidise the cafes and restaraunts in the HoC where MP's earn £80 000 a year.Why is it the country can't provide meals for children whose parents have been made redundant, or had their wages cut due to no fault of their own, over the half-term holidays again?Why can't councils use the funds they receive for unused school meals and keep at full profit?Because they are not allowed. Neither are schools. That's what yesterdys vote was about that the Tory's voted against - extending provision of a service.There is no left-over money anyway. Our school precept is decided by a number of criteria and the number of children on roll entitled to FSM is one of them. We then allocate the budget on that. It doesn't matter if the children eat the meals or not - or even leave - the money has been and gone before the year even starts.
Quote from: wilts rover on October 22, 2020, 12:59:22 pmOver the summer the taxpayer subsidised families, however wealthy, going out for a meal via the Eat Out to Help Out Scheme.Taxpayers subsidise the cafes and restaraunts in the HoC where MP's earn £80 000 a year.Why is it the country can't provide meals for children whose parents have been made redundant, or had their wages cut due to no fault of their own, over the half-term holidays again?Why can't councils use the funds they receive for unused school meals and keep at full profit?
Over the summer the taxpayer subsidised families, however wealthy, going out for a meal via the Eat Out to Help Out Scheme.Taxpayers subsidise the cafes and restaraunts in the HoC where MP's earn £80 000 a year.Why is it the country can't provide meals for children whose parents have been made redundant, or had their wages cut due to no fault of their own, over the half-term holidays again?
Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on October 23, 2020, 07:42:15 amQuote from: wilts rover on October 22, 2020, 03:26:01 pmQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on October 22, 2020, 02:18:34 pmQuote from: wilts rover on October 22, 2020, 12:59:22 pmOver the summer the taxpayer subsidised families, however wealthy, going out for a meal via the Eat Out to Help Out Scheme.Taxpayers subsidise the cafes and restaraunts in the HoC where MP's earn £80 000 a year.Why is it the country can't provide meals for children whose parents have been made redundant, or had their wages cut due to no fault of their own, over the half-term holidays again?Why can't councils use the funds they receive for unused school meals and keep at full profit?Because they are not allowed. Neither are schools. That's what yesterdys vote was about that the Tory's voted against - extending provision of a service.There is no left-over money anyway. Our school precept is decided by a number of criteria and the number of children on roll entitled to FSM is one of them. We then allocate the budget on that. It doesn't matter if the children eat the meals or not - or even leave - the money has been and gone before the year even starts. How have Doncaster managed it then?I have physically seen and been involved in the conversations to look at how much can be made out of FSM. As an example those on FSM will get an allowance each day. If that allowance is unused the allowance is removed from the account of the child. Where is that money going?Also for those that do pay how is it right that profit is added in some cases by 4 different entities before a child is charged?I am on the finance committee of our school and it is our task to agree the budget for this year. I have it here in front of meWe have two income lines, one is a lump sum allocated by the council based on numbers on roll (which takes into account FSM), the other is Pupil Premium which is based entirely on how many disadvantaged children (FSM) are on the roll.We have about 30 expenditure lines - by far the largest is staff costs. The Pupil Premium money, which has to be accounted for in detail, most of that gets spent on extra staff and resources - because these children require extra resources to 'catch up'.There is no money left. It doesn't matter whether the children have meals or not, the money is allocated already and its gone. The only 'extra' we can make is by hiring the facilities after hours, which ain't happening.How Doncaster and the other councils have managed to fund the holiday schemes I don't know - it certainly hasn't come from education budgets.
Quote from: wilts rover on October 23, 2020, 06:18:36 pmQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on October 23, 2020, 07:42:15 amQuote from: wilts rover on October 22, 2020, 03:26:01 pmQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on October 22, 2020, 02:18:34 pmQuote from: wilts rover on October 22, 2020, 12:59:22 pmOver the summer the taxpayer subsidised families, however wealthy, going out for a meal via the Eat Out to Help Out Scheme.Taxpayers subsidise the cafes and restaraunts in the HoC where MP's earn £80 000 a year.Why is it the country can't provide meals for children whose parents have been made redundant, or had their wages cut due to no fault of their own, over the half-term holidays again?Why can't councils use the funds they receive for unused school meals and keep at full profit?Because they are not allowed. Neither are schools. That's what yesterdys vote was about that the Tory's voted against - extending provision of a service.There is no left-over money anyway. Our school precept is decided by a number of criteria and the number of children on roll entitled to FSM is one of them. We then allocate the budget on that. It doesn't matter if the children eat the meals or not - or even leave - the money has been and gone before the year even starts. How have Doncaster managed it then?I have physically seen and been involved in the conversations to look at how much can be made out of FSM. As an example those on FSM will get an allowance each day. If that allowance is unused the allowance is removed from the account of the child. Where is that money going?Also for those that do pay how is it right that profit is added in some cases by 4 different entities before a child is charged?I am on the finance committee of our school and it is our task to agree the budget for this year. I have it here in front of meWe have two income lines, one is a lump sum allocated by the council based on numbers on roll (which takes into account FSM), the other is Pupil Premium which is based entirely on how many disadvantaged children (FSM) are on the roll.We have about 30 expenditure lines - by far the largest is staff costs. The Pupil Premium money, which has to be accounted for in detail, most of that gets spent on extra staff and resources - because these children require extra resources to 'catch up'.There is no money left. It doesn't matter whether the children have meals or not, the money is allocated already and its gone. The only 'extra' we can make is by hiring the facilities after hours, which ain't happening.How Doncaster and the other councils have managed to fund the holiday schemes I don't know - it certainly hasn't come from education budgets.Tier 3 settlement?
Scum is a mild word for Ben Bradley. The man is on record as saying the unemployed should be sterilised.