Viking Supporters Co-operative
Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Branton Rover on April 18, 2024, 12:45:13 pm
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To be scrapped next season from the first round proper onwards. I might be a sentimental old fool who’s stuck in the past but I think this is a shame and yet another example of the FA capitulating to big clubs and the uniqueness of the competition is being undermined and smaller clubs miss out on extra additional revenue like Cray Valley who got a replay after drawing at Charlton Athletic. Ok, they got hammered 6-1 in the replay but I guess would’ve made quite considerable extra money as a result. This is now going to be scrapped entirely.
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Big teams calling the shots again .
Trying to smokescreen things by saying they will Donate to grass roots footy . Who are they trying to kid?
Consider Lincoln’s cup Run a few years ago. No replay from the draw at Portman rd. no gate receipts.
This only benefits those clubs at the highest level. Because of fixture congestion with Euro comps etc.
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To be scrapped next season from the first round proper onwards. I might be a sentimental old fool who’s stuck in the past but I think this is a shame and yet another example of the FA capitulating to big clubs and the uniqueness of the competition is being undermined and smaller clubs miss out on extra additional revenue like Cray Valley who got a replay after drawing at Charlton Athletic. Ok, they got hammered 6-1 in the replay but I guess would’ve made quite considerable extra money as a result. This is now going to be scrapped entirely.
Please may I join your Old F*rts club.
Agree entirely. Thought that was the romance of the cup. A chance for small clubs holding out for a draw in their packed out ground to earn valuable income, on a big away day.
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With you on this BR - pandering to the premier league once more taking money away from those smaller clubs lucky enough to earn a replay.
COYR
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Couldn't agree more with the other posters.
Gone are the days when you could have four replays like we did against Aston Villa in 1955 before we won 3-1 at the fifth attempt helped by two goals from the amazing Alick Jeffrey, who was only 16 years old at the time.
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Agreed here as well
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I'll agree too. Another sad loss for lower League Teams .Whatever happened to the " romance of the FA Cup ?
Markets itself as World's greatest Cup Competition
Maybe was but now it just grates on me
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If rovers ever repeat the 1974 draw against Liverpool, there would be no replay. The more I think about this decision , the worse it gets .
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Big teams calling the shots again .
Trying to smokescreen things by saying they will Donate to grass roots footy . Who are they trying to kid?
Consider Lincoln’s cup Run a few years ago. No replay from the draw at Portman rd. no gate receipts.
This only benefits those clubs at the highest level. Because of fixture congestion with Euro comps etc.
Lincoln were able to build their training ground on the A15 opposite former RAF Scampton off the back of that cup run I believe.
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It's another kickin the teeth for clubs who aren't owned by some dodgy hedgefund or a Saudi prince. They won't be happy until there 10 clubs remaining and matches are referred by some committee in a trailer.
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Klopp and the big timers win again. Their poor multimillion pound squads can't stretch to replays. Give you a quid they're still off an pre season tour of Thailand and playing for a trophy in Dubai though
Here's an idea instead of paying one player 200k a week, lower wages and pay two players 100k for a bigger squad. They'll survive on the lower, just about
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They do this but then clubs are cramming in over seas friendlies in between the season end and the euros
The FL should take this moment f**k off the u21s in the FLT and lower league clubs take it a bit more serious to generate the lost revenues
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Some recent money spinners for poor clubs
Exeter 2005 v manure
Orient 2012 v arsenal
Stevenage 2012 v spurs
Exeter 2016 v Liverpool
Rochdale 2020 v Newcastle
Shrewsbury 2020 v Liverpool
None of this will happen under new rules
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We will see EFL attendances grow over the next few years with people becoming increasingly disenfranchsied from the premier league I predict.
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EFL clubs should boycott the fa cup next year, enough is enough lower league clubs need a voice in the FA which obviously they do not
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We will see EFL attendances grow over the next few years with people becoming increasingly disenfranchsied from the premier league I predict.
I think we already have.
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The competition has been tarnished since manure pulled out years ago - I not watched a final for years
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“Tranmere Rovers condemn the disgraceful decision taken by The FA and the Premier League to change the format of the FA Cup, including the scrapping of replays.
There was no consultation with Football League clubs, National League clubs or grassroots clubs to whom the competition represents not only their best opportunity to create life-long memories for supporters but also a hugely important source of income. We also understand that FA Council members were not consulted about the changes.
The decision, and the way it was taken, demonstrate a total lack of respect for the football pyramid and its fans. Football belongs to all of us and decisions should not be taken in back room deals in which only the very wealthiest clubs are allowed to participate. It is yet another eloquent example of the 19th-century governance that means that football simply cannot regulate itself and needs the Independent Football Regulator to have real teeth.
We condemn the changes wholeheartedly and urge The FA to suspend them immediately until all stakeholders in the game are properly consulted.”
Clubs such as Tranmere for example are better placed to have a say on the potential change of a tradition of English football than the likes of Jurgen Klopp, Pep Guardiola and American PL club owners.
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For me if it was all about the big clubs then they could stop replays after round 2. It saves it saying 33m by stopping them all together so it’s to do with money as well.
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The FSA;
“It’s clear today’s announcement about the FA cup has not gone down well with a lot of fans up and down the country. Supporters are concerned that the changes to the FA Cup will further diminish what makes the competition enduringly popular – namely its history, heritage and tradition.
“While we recognise the footballing calendar is coming under impossible strain – due to the increasing bloat of FIFA and UEFA competitions – recent surveys of both our members and National Council revealed serious concerns about loss of replays and the impact that could have on the magic of the competition.
“The FA Cup is the oldest domestic cup competition in the world, an asset of national importance, and we have shared those concerns with the FA as its primary custodians.”
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And it’s not even the final match of the season. Are they still having semis at Wembley? It’s all about the money and Premiership clubs.
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Step too far. We need a national protest and some further protection for the FA Cup competition and it's integrity. It's of national importance and is a major part of our culture so it needs concensus from all clubs and fans before any fundamental changes can be made. The FA should be ashamed.
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Hopefully there is a U turn to this saga.
If the big clubs want to stop replays they should play their strongest 11 first time round and try get the job done there and then.
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The worse thing that ever happened was the rejection of a European super league. Get them all f*cked off away from English football altogether.
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The worse thing that ever happened was the rejection of a European super league. Get them all f*cked off away from English football altogether.
With respect, wouldn’t that outcome detract rather largely from what the consensus is around the FA cup?
Poor clubs want replays against the big boys. Which wouldn’t be possible if they were no longer in the FA?
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What the protest highlighted is all clubs are part of the same pyramid system and should be governed by the same rules and respect every club as a member and no matter what, fans will not allow their clubs to be separated from the system. The sooner the EPL is brought back into line, the better it will be for all in our competitions.
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The worse thing that ever happened was the rejection of a European super league. Get them all f*cked off away from English football altogether.
Totally agree. Then you might end up with fan run splinter clubs replacing the breakaway ones.
I personally would support the Rovers if they wanted to boycott the fa cup.
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The worse thing that ever happened was the rejection of a European super league. Get them all f*cked off away from English football altogether.
Totally agree. Then you might end up with fan run splinter clubs replacing the breakaway ones.
I personally would support the Rovers if they wanted to boycott the fa cup.
This
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Shambles really.. but not surprising in any way,shape or form.
Equally as bad as the semi finals being played at Wembley.
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How about giving clubs the option of having the option of a replay or withdrawing from the competition. That way if big clubs didn’t want a replay they could bow out gracefully.
I wonder how many would then take that option.
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It is a disgrace.
The Premier league clubs just think they can do what they want because they are being allowed to. This is about as selfish as it can get. Self interest to the detriment of the game as a whole and the total football pyramid.
How can the FA allow this to happen. They are killing their own competition.
Killing the smaller clubs financially.
The best Cup competition in the world being treated with contempt yet again.
Where will this greed and self interest end.
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I agree with all the comments above. One thing really annoys me though - what on earth are the PL doing saying what happens in Rounds 1 and 2????
As someone mentioned Cray Valley - Charlton replay would not have happened. What on earth are the PL doing messing around with that???
Bad enough losing replays in rounds 3 onwards, and I am totally against that as well - but at least I can see why PL clubs might want that.
Unless they are being really cynical, and after appeal they restore replays in Rounds 1 & 2 and try to claim - look how reasonable we are being? Stinks to high heaven.
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Grimsby latest I’ve seen to release a statement.
Backs the calls for the independent body to be put in place sooner rather than later before the game becomes unrecognisable
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I must be in a minority. Get the outcome sorted on the day. Round 1 and replays is terrible for clubs IMO. Rovers for example draw against Exeter at home in front of 1700 fans to then travel 250 miles to play another match in front of 1700 fans. No financial gain whatsoever either. If people are that bothered about the FA cup then why are the attendances so poor at dirt cheap prices?
I think if EFL clubs were the ones driving this decision nobody would have a problem
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It's chipping away at the sporting integrity of the game and what made the FA Cup such a wonderful competition until it's clouded by the financial implications.
Originally an FA Cup tie meant being played until there was a winner. A draw obvs meant losing home advantage from the luck of the draw, then if the game was still tied after the replay, then neutral grounds came into play. Yes, it all got a bit silly after that, but that was the FA Cup.
As said, there were always pros and cons depending on the luck of the draw, and of course there's always chances of crap draws with long journeys etc, but that's part and parcel of it.
Then of course there's the money associated with drawing a 'big' club which has been exaggerated now, due to the potential cash windfalls with the top end clubs and is clouding our thinking.
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Why not give the bigger clubs the option to forfeit the tie rather than have a replay?
I bet not many of the greedy hypocrites would take that option.
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For me it's the one competition that needs to keep it's history and not just be any old cup. It's unique and should be protected.
Not withstanding it's a decision made by the top clubs without any thought for the rest. Where's the consultation?
Good to see EFL clubs coming out against it, I really hope drfc issue a similar statement too.
Give all clubs a voice!
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For me it's the one competition that needs to keep it's history and not just be any old cup. It's unique and should be protected.
Not withstanding it's a decision made by the top clubs without any thought for the rest. Where's the consultation?
Good to see EFL clubs coming out against it, I really hope drfc issue a similar statement too.
Give all clubs a voice!
Exactly. We have to protect the sporting integrity. As soon as we consider options for financial reasons, we've lost the plot. Financial gain from the competition should be earned from advancing in the competition and/or by the luck of the draw, not engineered due to the level you're at in the Pyramid.
For some bonkers reasoning, they're trying to protect elite players from the rest, some of whom may have already played several rounds of the competition as well as holding down day jobs.
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Danny Baker summed it up well on Twitter/X last night
"FA Cup replays dispensed with because the handful of precious corporates don't want such inconvenience in their elite schedules.
Well,if they were that f**king good they wouldn't be needing replays in the first place would they?"
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Lots of other clubs making official statements and I really hope we follow this up too with a statement.
I am just astonished that this kind of decision can even be made without consulting all football clubs who are involved in the FA Cup. Think the EFL, National League etc.... need to be joining forces on this and be taking legal action against the FA and Premier League and see how long it takes them to back down.
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EFL clubs should boycott the fa cup next year, enough is enough lower league clubs need a voice in the FA which obviously they do not
Bang on!
I hope the EFL, National League & all non-professional clubs can somehow come together in one voice & tell the FA their precious cup competition will be played out amongst the Premiership Clubs (who of course love their competition & always treat it with the reverence its history warrants in English football) only unless they reverse this ‘slap in the face for EFL clubs’ obscene decision.
I sincerely hope Rovers add their voice to those against the decision & as has already been said would ‘back’ Rovers if they refused to play in the competition whatever the implications of that might be.
It would certainly make news & could snowball with other clubs taking the same stance. I’ll be emailing the club next week (after we’ve put Barrow to bed) to ask their thoughts.
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Yes, I think joint action is needed to reverse the decision first of all, then insist on some consultation. I think we're all sick of seeing the FA Cup being gradually eroded and have already gone too far with some of the concessions already in place.
Plus, there's more at stake than just the replay issue. The EPL cannot be allowed to have the power and influence over the game.
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There was a thread on here, probably not even three months ago, asking for supporters' opinions on scrapping replays in the FA Cup.
Why am I not surprised in the slightest that in the end, not only were lower league (or any league) supporters not seriously consulted on the decision, but most of the football clubs outside the "Big 6" weren't even consulted either.
It just shows that they will force through any decision they want and don't give a f**k about the lower leagues when push comes to shove. Sooner they f**k off and join the Globetrotting Super League the better.
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There was a thread on here, probably not even three months ago, asking for supporters' opinions on scrapping replays in the FA Cup.
Why am I not surprised in the slightest that in the end, not only were lower league (or any league) supporters not seriously consulted on the decision, but most of the football clubs outside the "Big 6" weren't even consulted either.
It just shows that they will force through any decision they want and don't give a f**k about the lower leagues when push comes to shove. Sooner they f**k off and join the Globetrotting Super League the better.
I completed that survey & conveyed many of the thoughts aired on this topic.
Clearly I’d have been better spending my time washing the car!
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Does anyone know if the club are planning a response to this?
I find it obscene that the Premier League can sneakily get together with the FA and decide the rules of the competition.
This isn't even really about replays. It's about who controls football. And once again, the 72 league clubs don't matter.
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On the website now;
A statement issued on behalf of the Viking Supporters' Cooperative:
The Viking Supporters Cooperative is appalled that such major and fundamental changes can be made to the FA Cup without, it seems, any consultation with the EFL, supporter groups or anybody outside the English Premier League.
The very fact that the removal of early round replays without the consultation of the clubs and supporters that it does affect shows the scant regard that those clubs lower down the English football pyramid are held in by the elites of the Premier League.
It seems that the wishes, and fortunes, of clubs like ours are disrespected when it comes to the scheduling of European competitions, something that we would never expect of a Football Association that prides itself on being the first and premier association in world football.
The FA Cup has always been about dreams, achieving something that doesn’t happen often and yet when it does is remembered forever. Who can forget the cup games against Liverpool, and the trip to Anfield in the 73/74 season, that came about because of a replay?
Yet again football in this country has shown itself to be in desperate need of an Independent Football Regulator with the powers to deter the vested interests of a few clubs who seem determined to shape football for themselves. This change cannot come soon enough.
Finally, we ask the FA to suspend these changes until a fair consultation has taken place with supporters and clubs who are to be impacted by this decision. We implore the FA to help us hang onto our dreams and not, with a stroke, remove them from clubs like us.
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Does the club itself not have an opinion on it?
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Does the club itself not have an opinion on it?
Of course they do.
But they will have to speak to the EFL and see how they were represented first.
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On the website now;
A statement issued on behalf of the Viking Supporters' Cooperative:
The Viking Supporters Cooperative is appalled that such major and fundamental changes can be made to the FA Cup without, it seems, any consultation with the EFL, supporter groups or anybody outside the English Premier League.
The very fact that the removal of early round replays without the consultation of the clubs and supporters that it does affect shows the scant regard that those clubs lower down the English football pyramid are held in by the elites of the Premier League.
It seems that the wishes, and fortunes, of clubs like ours are disrespected when it comes to the scheduling of European competitions, something that we would never expect of a Football Association that prides itself on being the first and premier association in world football.
The FA Cup has always been about dreams, achieving something that doesn’t happen often and yet when it does is remembered forever. Who can forget the cup games against Liverpool, and the trip to Anfield in the 73/74 season, that came about because of a replay?
Yet again football in this country has shown itself to be in desperate need of an Independent Football Regulator with the powers to deter the vested interests of a few clubs who seem determined to shape football for themselves. This change cannot come soon enough.
Finally, we ask the FA to suspend these changes until a fair consultation has taken place with supporters and clubs who are to be impacted by this decision. We implore the FA to help us hang onto our dreams and not, with a stroke, remove them from clubs like us.
Excellent that the VSC had made its views public - well done. :thumbsup: Hopefully the club will follow.
One tiny thing - we were actually drawn at and drew at Anfield in 1973-74 and the replay was a home game played midweek afternoon, I believe because of power restrictions. The above, maybe unintentionally, reads as if the replay was at Anfield. Nevertheless well done VSC. :scarf:
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The EFL statement;
The EFL wishes to clarify further its position in respect of yesterday’s Premier League and Football Association bi-lateral announcement over the removal of FA Cup replays and the role of the League’s representatives on the Professional Game Board (PGB).
The agreement which now sees the abolition of replays from the competition format was agreed solely between the Premier League and FA. Ahead of the deal being announced there was no agreement with the EFL nor was there any formal consultation with EFL Clubs as members of the FA and participants in the competition.
In September 2023, the EFL did initially discuss with Clubs potential changes to the FA Cup format but only as part of a wider and more fundamental change to financial distributions. As is now clear, there has been no movement in this area since September.
This latest agreement between the Premier League and the FA, in the absence of financial reform, is just a further example of how the EFL and its Clubs are being marginalised in favour of others further up the pyramid and that only serves to threaten the future of the English game.
The EFL today calls on both the Premier League and the FA, as the Governing body, to re-evaluate their approach to their footballing partnership with the EFL and engage more collaboratively on issues directly affecting our Clubs.
A separate issue is the role of the EFL representatives on the Professional Game Board (PGB) in agreeing to the 2024/25 overall fixture calendar. PGB is there to make technical decisions across the game as opposed to key policy decisions such as competition changes or formats.
Any decisions taken on the calendar involving EFL representatives are in no way an endorsement of the joint deal agreed between the FA and Premier League that imposes changes to the FA Cup competition format in isolation.
As part of the discussions the EFL representatives did challenge the position and were told that Clubs would be comfortable with no replays. They were effectively advised that, as a result, of it being an FA competition, the fixture list needed to be agreed as presented. It is also important to note that this matter was not discussed by the FA Cup committee, a separate group that oversees the competition across the professional and national game.
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And just to add, the PGB (Professional Game Board) have stated that they were not consulted.
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And just to add, the PGB (Professional Game Board) have stated that they were not consulted.
More that comes out on this decision the murkier it gets. If nothing changes, I for one would not be upset or surprised if clubs, DRFC included, boycotted the FA Cup next season.
COYR
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On the website now;
A statement issued on behalf of the Viking Supporters' Cooperative:
The Viking Supporters Cooperative is appalled that such major and fundamental changes can be made to the FA Cup without, it seems, any consultation with the EFL, supporter groups or anybody outside the English Premier League.
The very fact that the removal of early round replays without the consultation of the clubs and supporters that it does affect shows the scant regard that those clubs lower down the English football pyramid are held in by the elites of the Premier League.
It seems that the wishes, and fortunes, of clubs like ours are disrespected when it comes to the scheduling of European competitions, something that we would never expect of a Football Association that prides itself on being the first and premier association in world football.
The FA Cup has always been about dreams, achieving something that doesn’t happen often and yet when it does is remembered forever. Who can forget the cup games against Liverpool, and the trip to Anfield in the 73/74 season, that came about because of a replay?
Yet again football in this country has shown itself to be in desperate need of an Independent Football Regulator with the powers to deter the vested interests of a few clubs who seem determined to shape football for themselves. This change cannot come soon enough.
Finally, we ask the FA to suspend these changes until a fair consultation has taken place with supporters and clubs who are to be impacted by this decision. We implore the FA to help us hang onto our dreams and not, with a stroke, remove them from clubs like us.
Excellent that the VSC had made its views public - well done. :thumbsup: Hopefully the club will follow.
One tiny thing - we were actually drawn at and drew at Anfield in 1973-74 and the replay was a home game played midweek afternoon, I believe because of power restrictions. The above, maybe unintentionally, reads as if the replay was at Anfield. Nevertheless well done VSC. :scarf:
Thanks Dutch.
What we meant was playing games against top clubs because of the replay element and the excitement that encourages. We also had Wolves and Burnley in recent years I think.
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A w@nk decision made by w@nkers to benefit w@nkers who would rather play showpiece games in Asia and the middle east to grow their brand.
I’m writing to Barry Took
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On the website now;
A statement issued on behalf of the Viking Supporters' Cooperative:
The Viking Supporters Cooperative is appalled that such major and fundamental changes can be made to the FA Cup without, it seems, any consultation with the EFL, supporter groups or anybody outside the English Premier League.
The very fact that the removal of early round replays without the consultation of the clubs and supporters that it does affect shows the scant regard that those clubs lower down the English football pyramid are held in by the elites of the Premier League.
It seems that the wishes, and fortunes, of clubs like ours are disrespected when it comes to the scheduling of European competitions, something that we would never expect of a Football Association that prides itself on being the first and premier association in world football.
The FA Cup has always been about dreams, achieving something that doesn’t happen often and yet when it does is remembered forever. Who can forget the cup games against Liverpool, and the trip to Anfield in the 73/74 season, that came about because of a replay?
Yet again football in this country has shown itself to be in desperate need of an Independent Football Regulator with the powers to deter the vested interests of a few clubs who seem determined to shape football for themselves. This change cannot come soon enough.
Finally, we ask the FA to suspend these changes until a fair consultation has taken place with supporters and clubs who are to be impacted by this decision. We implore the FA to help us hang onto our dreams and not, with a stroke, remove them from clubs like us.
Excellent that the VSC had made its views public - well done. :thumbsup: Hopefully the club will follow.
One tiny thing - we were actually drawn at and drew at Anfield in 1973-74 and the replay was a home game played midweek afternoon, I believe because of power restrictions. The above, maybe unintentionally, reads as if the replay was at Anfield. Nevertheless well done VSC. :scarf:
Thanks Dutch.
What we meant was playing games against top clubs because of the replay element and the excitement that encourages. We also had Wolves and Burnley in recent years I think.
Don’t remember Burnley.
We had a replay at Aston Villa (same colours )
Anyway we’ll done SM for your statement on behalf of VSC
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Greedy and spiteful action from a totally discredited PFL and a spineless FA, lets all hope this type of action hurries along a proper independent regulator to stand up to vested interest.
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And just to add, the PGB (Professional Game Board) have stated that they were not consulted.
It’s an absolute insult to all those bodies in football that weren’t consulted let alone be party to the discussions.
These bodies ultimately exist because of the football fan.Those teams & their supporters who ‘live outside’ of the Premiership ‘bubble’ have been cast aside like a bottle cap or a piece of lint.
We may not watch international footballers play for us in a 75,000 all seater ground, but the voices of a supporter of Margate or Blyth Spartans or Doncaster Rovers or Queens Park Rangers matter just as much as those of Arsenal or Man City.
I forget where the survey that was put out a couple of months ago emanated from but clearly it didn’t help the cause of this club’s supporters.
What more can we do as supporters to put any sort of meaningful pressure on the powers that be Martin?
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It's a nail in the coffin to them trying to show their self governing.
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What do the FA cup sponsors think of this idea? They lose publicity from all of the potential lost games. Maybe contact the sponsors to see their reaction.
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On the website now;
A statement issued on behalf of the Viking Supporters' Cooperative:
The Viking Supporters Cooperative is appalled that such major and fundamental changes can be made to the FA Cup without, it seems, any consultation with the EFL, supporter groups or anybody outside the English Premier League.
The very fact that the removal of early round replays without the consultation of the clubs and supporters that it does affect shows the scant regard that those clubs lower down the English football pyramid are held in by the elites of the Premier League.
It seems that the wishes, and fortunes, of clubs like ours are disrespected when it comes to the scheduling of European competitions, something that we would never expect of a Football Association that prides itself on being the first and premier association in world football.
The FA Cup has always been about dreams, achieving something that doesn’t happen often and yet when it does is remembered forever. Who can forget the cup games against Liverpool, and the trip to Anfield in the 73/74 season, that came about because of a replay?
Yet again football in this country has shown itself to be in desperate need of an Independent Football Regulator with the powers to deter the vested interests of a few clubs who seem determined to shape football for themselves. This change cannot come soon enough.
Finally, we ask the FA to suspend these changes until a fair consultation has taken place with supporters and clubs who are to be impacted by this decision. We implore the FA to help us hang onto our dreams and not, with a stroke, remove them from clubs like us.
Excellent that the VSC had made its views public - well done. :thumbsup: Hopefully the club will follow.
One tiny thing - we were actually drawn at and drew at Anfield in 1973-74 and the replay was a home game played midweek afternoon, I believe because of power restrictions. The above, maybe unintentionally, reads as if the replay was at Anfield. Nevertheless well done VSC. :scarf:
Thanks Dutch.
What we meant was playing games against top clubs because of the replay element and the excitement that encourages. We also had Wolves and Burnley in recent years I think.
Don’t remember Burnley.
We had a replay at Aston Villa (same colours )
Anyway we’ll done SM for your statement on behalf of VSC
That Villa game was a bit of a landmark win for them. It was the eighth time we played them in a cup tie (all while they were a top flight club) and the first time they had beaten us. Five of those matches were in the fourth round of the FA Cup in 1955-56 - 4 draws before we beat them in the 4th replay - quite apposite given the topic :lol: :lol: :lol:
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It's a nail in the coffin to them trying to show their self governing.
It definitely does that too.
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It's a disgrace. Big six stopping all the smaller clubs making money and there not even in those rounds.
Awful.
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Every rule/law in this country is made to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. It’s steeped into the fabric of society, 1% of the population hold 70% of the wealth, you’ve got Rishi avoiding millions in tax talking about getting the sick off universal credit. The same is true in football, the FA just let the prem do what they want, the football league clubs don’t even get consulted. At least we’ve got the trickle down effect, which basically means that every now and then you get pissed on from above!
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What two brave teams who have drawn next year need to do is walk off the pitch at the end of the game and refuse to take part in a shootout. Then they can arrange a "Replay" in the other teams stadium the following Tuesday week. They can't kick both teams out if they both refuse a shootout? Imagine how the FA would be shown up if a number of clubs did that after drawn ties?
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Listened to radio Sheffield football heaven this eve.
I can never remember the presenters names but he did make a very valid argument for abolishing replays.
One game gives the lower league team more chance of success than doing it over 2 games.
If it goes to penalties then that’s almost a 50/50 result.
I am a traditionalist and think replays are something to look forward to especially if you get one against a big or bigger club than we are.
Whether we should have replays or not and there is a valid debate to be had the point is just that. Why was there no consultation with the 72 EFL clubs and the National league clubs. Does the voice of all those Clubs count for nothing.
That is what is so wrong about this. Who are the FA representing?
The EPL seem to think they can be dictatorial on how the game is run and change the format of the oldest and most prestigious cup competition in the World without any consultation with all the other clubs who have a vested interest.
This is a Cup that involves clubs right at the bottom of the pyramid.
10th tier clubs start in the 1st preliminary round.
The Premier League’s agenda has nothing but self interest.
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Zero benefit in replays rounds 1 and 2 financially. I've been told off someone who does the finances at another EFL club that most Bristol street motor games cost clubs more than ticket sales. Crowds are just as bad in the FA cup at this stage.
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All I know is that two legendary nights at Oakwell would now not take place under the new FA Cup rules .
The two nights under the lights when we brought Spurs and Manchester United back to Oakwell for replays have gone down in folklore .
The atmosphere on both those nights in 1998 was bouncing , something that will never happen again is actually pretty sad .
It's sad because younger supporters won't ever see two nights like that and won't ever have the memories I have sitting in my soul .
You couldn't buy those two nights off me personally .
Same with fans of non league clubs who bring league clubs back to their grounds after holding them to a draw , club's like Hosham who hosted ourselves this season in round 1 , it was a huge night for their supporters and players .
My interest in this game today dwindles with each passing year , we will get to non existent very shortly .
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The (English) FA are a disgrace. They’ve proved this many times over the years. They don’t care about me or any other football fans, or safeguarding the greater good of ‘the game’ they claim to have invented. They’ve failed us yet again.
I support Doncaster Rovers. What I think and feel about the game is just as important as a supporter of Man City, Liverpool, Bournemouth, Brentford, Fulham or any other club. I’m not a second class supporter.
If your club is in the PL today, it’s likely it won’t be at some point sooner or later. You’ll be back with us losers in the lower tiers. There’s a long list of massive clubs down here.
The Premier League and its nasty backers don’t care either. That’s no surprise. Their job is solely to make vast profits.
Human-rights abusing regimes and global ‘property developers’ laundering funds don’t care about fans or ‘consumers’ either. Of course. Richardson, Weaver Associates didn’t care about us. All this is obvious to everyone who looks closer than a lazy and incompetent local journalist.
The ‘big clubs’ want to expand the European competitions to make even more money from even more matches. Then they complain there are too many matches. What they mean is too many matches that don’t pay them what their greed dictates.
We’re not having it.
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Today is what footy is about and the FA would do well to remember. A town/city excited about their team playing. Getting out, seeing your mates, pre match cuppa or beer, chit chat about life, good old song and shout, smell the grass......
And that's just us and Barrow. Imagine how Cov fans are feeling this weekend
Not sitting on your backside watching overpaid children in the PL and pretending / forcing your support by buying more and more merchandise. And listening to every word of the absolute drivel the likes of Neville, Shearer, Savage talk. Just imagine working hard week in week out for your money to go on the Ferrari of an agent. Football League wins every day
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Zero benefit in replays rounds 1 and 2 financially. I've been told off someone who does the finances at another EFL club that most Bristol street motor games cost clubs more than ticket sales. Crowds are just as bad in the FA cup at this stage.
I think your finance friend needs to check his books. EPL and FA money isn’t classed as ticket income but it more than makes up the shortfall.
And nobody has really focussed on the money, it’s been about the magic that cup competitions bring that counts.
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Zero benefit in replays rounds 1 and 2 financially. I've been told off someone who does the finances at another EFL club that most Bristol street motor games cost clubs more than ticket sales. Crowds are just as bad in the FA cup at this stage.
It’s not even the loss of potential revenue that is the annoying thing here. It’s the complete disregard of the heritage of the world’s oldest football cup competition because some spoilt brats only care about “the promised land of the premier league”.
If the main complaint is the loss of revenue then the EFL don’t have a leg to stand on when the PL / FA say there will still be revenue opportunities. That isn’t the point here.
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Kick the PL clubs out of the Bristol Streets Motors for me, without consultation, and replace them with National league clubs
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You couldn't make it up but Newcastle and Spurs have announced a POST season tour of....Australia :headbang:
The FA really are the biggest mugs in the world falling for the our players are too tired routine
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Kick the PL clubs out of the Bristol Streets Motors for me, without consultation, and replace them with National league clubs
Difficult though Filo.
L1 and L2 clubs receive hundreds of thousands of pounds from the PL clubs to allow their U21s to participate in that competition.
Of course, the NL clubs couldn’t match that.