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I guess there is a question as to how much internal conversation is both relevant and needs to be outed. Is it not right that privately these discussions are had whether we like them or not and shouldn't they be judged solely on the final actions taken not what was discussed?
To be fair, the number of deaths is always high towards the middle of the week because this number reflects a lot of people who died over the weekend but whose death was only recorded yesterday.But the figures are grim. Rolling 7 day average of daily deaths is now up to just shy of 50 and is doubling every 16-17 days. And the rolling average of new cases is just under 50,000 and again is doubling at a similar rate. And the number of COVID hospital cases is doubling even faster - about every 13-14 days.I cannot see any way we come out of this with peaks of less than 300 a day dying and 20k+ in hospital. And that is based on the number of new cases slowing down VERY soon. New cases have been doubling every 2-3 weeks now since the middle of May. If they keep on rising that fast for another 2-3 weeks we are in very, very serious trouble.
Billy. If Cummings joined the Flat Earth Society, married David Icke and went on a mudering spree, you’d say ‘yes but what has any of that got to do with the bitter shit stirring regarding Johnson and his government? He should be respected and commended’.
Quote from: belton rover on July 20, 2021, 02:37:05 pmBilly. If Cummings joined the Flat Earth Society, married David Icke and went on a mudering spree, you’d say ‘yes but what has any of that got to do with the bitter shit stirring regarding Johnson and his government? He should be respected and commended’. Just to clarify, who are you saying should be respected and commended? You are surely not meaning Johnson are you?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 20, 2021, 04:28:35 pmTo be fair, the number of deaths is always high towards the middle of the week because this number reflects a lot of people who died over the weekend but whose death was only recorded yesterday.But the figures are grim. Rolling 7 day average of daily deaths is now up to just shy of 50 and is doubling every 16-17 days. And the rolling average of new cases is just under 50,000 and again is doubling at a similar rate. And the number of COVID hospital cases is doubling even faster - about every 13-14 days.I cannot see any way we come out of this with peaks of less than 300 a day dying and 20k+ in hospital. And that is based on the number of new cases slowing down VERY soon. New cases have been doubling every 2-3 weeks now since the middle of May. If they keep on rising that fast for another 2-3 weeks we are in very, very serious trouble.Put you phone down, dont look at the news. Life is good dont worry yourself to death.
Quote from: drfchound on July 20, 2021, 08:20:17 amQuote from: Ldr on July 19, 2021, 11:24:15 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 19, 2021, 11:10:42 pmCummings is firing off again.Says he has text messages from last October with Johnson saying lockdowns don't work, only over 80s were dying, he didn't buy the over-stretched NHS line, economy comes first etc. No10 been asked for a response and haven't denied any of it.And the really explosive one. Cummings claims Johnson was on the verge of going to see the Queen on 18 March last year at a time that loads of Downing Street staff had COVID. Cummings says he had to stop Johnson from going. No10 denies it but Kuenssberg reckons other Johnson advisers have confirmed it happened.Watch this space.Forgive me, but what the actual f**k is explosive about that? Yet another nothing to see here storyIs that the words of the Cummings who is a compulsive liar.And now suddenly Kuensberg is the good reporter after apparently being shite for the last few years.Who do you think was Kuensburgs inside informer when her and Peston were getting all the leaks from their source at No10?
Quote from: Ldr on July 19, 2021, 11:24:15 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 19, 2021, 11:10:42 pmCummings is firing off again.Says he has text messages from last October with Johnson saying lockdowns don't work, only over 80s were dying, he didn't buy the over-stretched NHS line, economy comes first etc. No10 been asked for a response and haven't denied any of it.And the really explosive one. Cummings claims Johnson was on the verge of going to see the Queen on 18 March last year at a time that loads of Downing Street staff had COVID. Cummings says he had to stop Johnson from going. No10 denies it but Kuenssberg reckons other Johnson advisers have confirmed it happened.Watch this space.Forgive me, but what the actual f**k is explosive about that? Yet another nothing to see here storyIs that the words of the Cummings who is a compulsive liar.And now suddenly Kuensberg is the good reporter after apparently being shite for the last few years.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 19, 2021, 11:10:42 pmCummings is firing off again.Says he has text messages from last October with Johnson saying lockdowns don't work, only over 80s were dying, he didn't buy the over-stretched NHS line, economy comes first etc. No10 been asked for a response and haven't denied any of it.And the really explosive one. Cummings claims Johnson was on the verge of going to see the Queen on 18 March last year at a time that loads of Downing Street staff had COVID. Cummings says he had to stop Johnson from going. No10 denies it but Kuenssberg reckons other Johnson advisers have confirmed it happened.Watch this space.Forgive me, but what the actual f**k is explosive about that? Yet another nothing to see here story
Cummings is firing off again.Says he has text messages from last October with Johnson saying lockdowns don't work, only over 80s were dying, he didn't buy the over-stretched NHS line, economy comes first etc. No10 been asked for a response and haven't denied any of it.And the really explosive one. Cummings claims Johnson was on the verge of going to see the Queen on 18 March last year at a time that loads of Downing Street staff had COVID. Cummings says he had to stop Johnson from going. No10 denies it but Kuenssberg reckons other Johnson advisers have confirmed it happened.Watch this space.
Quote from: no eyed deer on July 20, 2021, 05:00:57 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 20, 2021, 04:28:35 pmTo be fair, the number of deaths is always high towards the middle of the week because this number reflects a lot of people who died over the weekend but whose death was only recorded yesterday.But the figures are grim. Rolling 7 day average of daily deaths is now up to just shy of 50 and is doubling every 16-17 days. And the rolling average of new cases is just under 50,000 and again is doubling at a similar rate. And the number of COVID hospital cases is doubling even faster - about every 13-14 days.I cannot see any way we come out of this with peaks of less than 300 a day dying and 20k+ in hospital. And that is based on the number of new cases slowing down VERY soon. New cases have been doubling every 2-3 weeks now since the middle of May. If they keep on rising that fast for another 2-3 weeks we are in very, very serious trouble.Put you phone down, dont look at the news. Life is good dont worry yourself to death.I'm alright and I don't give a monkeys for anyone else. And the government think we will get by on 'personal responsibility'!
Quote from: ravenrover on July 20, 2021, 05:58:44 pmQuote from: belton rover on July 20, 2021, 02:37:05 pmBilly. If Cummings joined the Flat Earth Society, married David Icke and went on a mudering spree, you’d say ‘yes but what has any of that got to do with the bitter shit stirring regarding Johnson and his government? He should be respected and commended’. Just to clarify, who are you saying should be respected and commended? You are surely not meaning Johnson are you?No Raven, I’m saying that Billy now thinks Cummings should be respected and commended. Look where the quotation marks start and end.
Quote from: wilts rover on July 20, 2021, 07:13:15 pmQuote from: no eyed deer on July 20, 2021, 05:00:57 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 20, 2021, 04:28:35 pmTo be fair, the number of deaths is always high towards the middle of the week because this number reflects a lot of people who died over the weekend but whose death was only recorded yesterday.But the figures are grim. Rolling 7 day average of daily deaths is now up to just shy of 50 and is doubling every 16-17 days. And the rolling average of new cases is just under 50,000 and again is doubling at a similar rate. And the number of COVID hospital cases is doubling even faster - about every 13-14 days.I cannot see any way we come out of this with peaks of less than 300 a day dying and 20k+ in hospital. And that is based on the number of new cases slowing down VERY soon. New cases have been doubling every 2-3 weeks now since the middle of May. If they keep on rising that fast for another 2-3 weeks we are in very, very serious trouble.Put you phone down, dont look at the news. Life is good dont worry yourself to death.I'm alright and I don't give a monkeys for anyone else. And the government think we will get by on 'personal responsibility'!Wilts, what the f*ck do you want us all to do? We've had our jabs, we wear masks in public indoor places, we use hand sanitiser. Who, apart from politicians and scientists, is benefitting from the grim daily figures being thrust at us? All they're doing is creating a fear factor among the public.They should stop publishing the f*cking figures every day. Anyone morbid enough to want to see them could research them online. We KNOW the government's made a b*ll*cks of how they've handled most of this pandemic; we KNOW the scientists haven't got a clue of how to solve this virus.If this is the future, then I'm glad I'm the age I am; but it's my grandkids I feel sorry for, and everyone else's kids and grandkids. What good is a life without entertainment and interaction with others?
Quote from: belton rover on July 20, 2021, 06:57:45 pmQuote from: ravenrover on July 20, 2021, 05:58:44 pmQuote from: belton rover on July 20, 2021, 02:37:05 pmBilly. If Cummings joined the Flat Earth Society, married David Icke and went on a mudering spree, you’d say ‘yes but what has any of that got to do with the bitter shit stirring regarding Johnson and his government? He should be respected and commended’. Just to clarify, who are you saying should be respected and commended? You are surely not meaning Johnson are you?No Raven, I’m saying that Billy now thinks Cummings should be respected and commended. Look where the quotation marks start and end.Quotation marks? I went to a bad school then they taught me " " were quotation and ' was apostrophe. Perhaps you should have looked it up
Anecdotal but it doesn't look good for the "let's all be jolly cautious" approach.Just been to the gym for the first time since Freedom Day. They've immediately done away with all social distancing measures, and I'd guess less than 30% of people were using the antiviral spray to clean down equipment after use. Last week it was pretty much 100%.
There is a saying in investing. Be greedy when all are afraid and be afraid when all are greedy.At the moment I'm following the spirit of that advice. We are being as careful as we can, staying out of shops and crowded areas. Now is the time to be wary whilst so many are letting their guard down.I won't be surprised if there aren't problems in a few weeks time. Whether there is or not we'll have prepared for it a little and by then all our family should all be fully vaccinated.
what happens if the covid app gets infected with a virus?
Quote from: SydneyRover on July 20, 2021, 11:09:57 pmwhat happens if the covid app gets infected with a virus?Seeing as though the WEF and partners had a planning exercise on a cyber attack that will dwarf the covid 19 pandemic, that app having a virus will be the least of your problems.Please bear in mind they did a similar exercise in New York in October 2019 for pandemic exercise. Event 201 it was called.
Quote from: Nudga on July 21, 2021, 02:44:51 amQuote from: SydneyRover on July 20, 2021, 11:09:57 pmwhat happens if the covid app gets infected with a virus?Seeing as though the WEF and partners had a planning exercise on a cyber attack that will dwarf the covid 19 pandemic, that app having a virus will be the least of your problems.Please bear in mind they did a similar exercise in New York in October 2019 for pandemic exercise. Event 201 it was called.'ping'
Quote from: SydneyRover on July 21, 2021, 02:48:34 amQuote from: Nudga on July 21, 2021, 02:44:51 amQuote from: SydneyRover on July 20, 2021, 11:09:57 pmwhat happens if the covid app gets infected with a virus?Seeing as though the WEF and partners had a planning exercise on a cyber attack that will dwarf the covid 19 pandemic, that app having a virus will be the least of your problems.Please bear in mind they did a similar exercise in New York in October 2019 for pandemic exercise. Event 201 it was called.'ping'Yep, that's the sound you'll hear at the supermarket till when you're denied buying that steak because you've already had your quoter of meat for the month.Or when filling up your car but you've already travelled too far that month. Digital pass. Access denied.
Covid isn’t going away. Is the risk of someone dying from it this month any different to this time next year.? I guess that’s the question being asked at SAGE level.
Some fair points to me in there Pib. At some point we of course have to deal with the residual risk. The question is when.My concern is that we are now heading into yet another wave where there will be several hundred people a day dying for an extended period, and hospitals again being unable to work as normal because there will be 20,000 people in hospital beds with COVID.I do agree with the idea of having a sensible approach to risk. But your road deaths figure is way out. The actual figure of annual road deaths in the UK is about 1800, or about 5 per day. About 2-5% of the daily deaths we are going to see from COVID in this wave.Regarding those who are sceptical of some of the issues related to COVID, I just don't get the logic. They want no lockdowns but they don't want the NHS overwhelmed. They want no vaccines, but they don't want to have to modify their own behaviour. There's something medieval about the rejection of basic logic and the imperviousness to fact-based arguments.