George Miller

[BillyStubbsTears]

We really are a charity for injured players. We haven’t got the resources for this to keep happening every season.

What do you suggest? We euthanise players when they get a knock?

Having a “knock” and being out for a season and a half are very different things.
How’s about a long term injury clause written into contracts?

Good one.

Call it the "You put your body on the line and we'll abandon you if as a result of that, you get a bad one" clause.

[PDX_Rover]

Jesus, we have some right numpties on here don’t we?

[steve@dcfd]

As far as I’m away the club doesn’t choose the consultants, there are certain ones they have to use.

With 3/4 players who’s had 2/3 operations on the same injured area that needs looking at. Whether the club has a choice or not questions should be asked why  they have to be operated on again. George was operated end of last season along with Lavery. George trained in preseason and felt his knee again. He had to be operated again now he looks like he’s out for at least 10 month why .. Lavery never trained and had be operated on again and he’s going to be out for the rest of the season it’s not good enough.

[Chris Black come back]

The surgeon literally has responsibility for the player for a few hours tops before the operation, then the operation, and then a few follow up sessions. The physio team at the club handling rehab have him for months on end. It's not hard to see where the risk sits.

[DearneValleyRover]

The surgeon literally has responsibility for the player for a few hours tops before the operation, then the operation, and then a few follow up sessions. The physio team at the club handling rehab have him for months on end. It's not hard to see where the risk sits.

Given none of us know what his injury is, it’s difficult to put the blame at anyone’s door. If it’s ligaments then there are lots of issues, was there any other damage inside the joint etc. I had my acl repaired, the surgeon was a knee specialist in a private hospital, best care possible given. The operation was a complete success however there was other damage that wasn’t picked up on the MRI, I was left with only 80%mobility. What I would say is our previous physio team have a great deal to answer to.

[silent majority]

As far as I’m away the club doesn’t choose the consultants, there are certain ones they have to use.

They have some choice but it is from a list of consultants that are part of the EFL and EPL scheme, the one that every club apart from Man Utd are a member of.

[DonnyOsmond]

We really are a charity for injured players. We haven’t got the resources for this to keep happening every season.

What do you suggest? We euthanise players when they get a knock?

Having a “knock” and being out for a season and a half are very different things.
How’s about a long term injury clause written into contracts?

What? Who would sign that contract? You go for a 50-50, come out on the other side with a broken leg, you're out for months, losing appearance bonuses, etc... and what's worse you've just been released from your club, abandoned by the team you put your body on the line for and no longer receiving a wage.

[drfcsteve]

We’re not talking about players who’ve got a broken leg from going in for a 50-50, we’re talking about players who seem to disappear with something minor and then not regain fitness for 30 odd games.

Do other teams consistently sign players who spend more time on the injury list than playing or is it just us?

[GazLaz]

Didn’t Miller have a serious knee injury before coming to us?

[Canadian Rover]

Really feel for this lad who's an infectious, bubbly personality who worked extremely hard for the team. Him and Ironside would have been great gelling on the field over time and the high press that Grant loves would have ideal with Miller in that team. Get him on IFollow commentary each week and pray that he's getting the best medical care possible.

[Chris Black come back]

Agree with much of that and Miller is certainly a polite young man but I wouldn’t pin bubbly or infectious personality on him. He’s a bit morose tbh. Doesn’t detract from his amiable nature mind.

[The Beast]

This injury clause is a right idea if you never want to sign another player again! Don’t people realise you’re competing in a market? Do people think professional footballers, who’ve strived all their life to get where they are, want to sit on the treatment table?

[Chris Black come back]

If you put aside the causes and reasons for all this, we have a huge squad of players, perhaps one of largest in this league. We are paying out big money to maintain this squad given the dire injury situation. This must be costing us a fortune and is delivering almost no value given where we are in the league. Imagine if we had same budget for a squad of 25 rather than 35?

[sedwardsdrfc]

Don’t we insure the players in case of injury? Or is that just for treatment and doesn’t cover their wages when we get nothing out of them?

Our premiums would be ridiculous to be fair

[roversdude]

It would be interesting to see a table of days/games lost due to injury for other teams (although it would be skewed if you have someone out for a season and bring in a replacement)
Long term injuries is a strange one, not sure if anyone has noticed how many of the elite women players have suffered ACL injuries-is it the training putting extra strain.
What I do know is that no player will want to be injured and that I’m gutted we’ve missed seeing Miller and Ironside in the same team

[silent majority]

Don’t we insure the players in case of injury? Or is that just for treatment and doesn’t cover their wages when we get nothing out of them?

Our premiums would be ridiculous to be fair

Premiums are ridiculous.

But its the main reason why the club joins in with all the EFL and EPL clubs in the scheme they operate, they pay collectively into this, therefore mitigating some of the costs that occur and at the same time getting the best treatment possible from a selection of specialists who have joined the scheme.

PS - I should have added that collectively professional clubs can negotiate for better rates than would be the case if they all did their own negotiations.

[wilts rover]

I remember Miller being subbed in the Hull game and then sitting on the bench with an ice pack on his knee.

So was then amazed to see him starting the Newport game four days later - and playing the best part of an hour. After which we haven't seen him again. Presumably he trained in the intervening period too?

It's not only the medical staff who have questions to answer about how injured players are treated.

[ncRover]

I remember Miller being subbed in the Hull game and then sitting on the bench with an ice pack on his knee.

So was then amazed to see him starting the Newport game four days later - and playing the best part of an hour. After which we haven't seen him again. Presumably he trained in the intervening period too?

It's not only the medical staff who have questions to answer about how injured players are treated.

Bang on Wilts.

I’d rather we had squad depth to cover if someone isn’t quite right than the wishful thinking sticking plaster “have an injection and get on with it” approach.