Viking Supporters Co-operative
Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: wing commander on October 19, 2016, 01:46:54 pm
-
We all know the story about Blackpool fc falling out the premiership and sailing down the leagues along with a absolute hated owner with the countless storys that go with it on how they treat there fans....
Havent heard anything much about them recently so had a quick catch up last night...It seems even worse..They have decided to try and sue and bankrupt the fans who invaded the pitch in protest that led to their game being abandoned last season causing more hatred...Sadly the football world and journalism seems to be turning a blind eye as its old news and with Oyston refusing to sell you cant see a way forward for them....
The saddest part for me is that the fans have now turned on each other...Most are boycotting the games,refusing to put another penny in his pocket but 2.5k home fans are still going to matches which is causing a lot of tension..With name and shame photographs of the crowd on fans forums followed by the normal internet abuse that follows....All very sad...it's a shame that they are a seaside club who attract a good away following every match..After all we always take more there than our average away following as do other clubs....Maybe if people spend as little as possible in the ground it would help...I feel for them...
-
On their Backstreet Henry fans forum , there is is a 'sticky' reminding fans to take care not to post libelous comments at the Oystons for fear of further (successful) libel actions against them
-
Nothing I've put there isn't in the public domain...
-
Kev, not everybody has turned their backs on them;
http://www.fsf.org.uk/latest-news/view/clubs-in-crisis-fsf-nw-special-saturday-12th-november-blackpool
-
good to know mate...they certainly need it...
-
I wonder if a Fans Utd type of event might not rekindle press and FL interest? If it was an event on the scale of the one at the Goldstone, it would be very hard to ignore. Only drawback would be the large cash windfall for the Oystons.
BobG
-
They should do what FC United did
-
I didnt know FC United had been owned by a charlatan intent on winding up its supporters. What did they do about it Vicar?
Cheers
BobG
-
It's a real shame to see Blackpool as they are. They have always seemed to me to be a club just waiting to be awakened. When you see how good a team they had way back with Matthews etc it's really sad.
Such a shame that when they got to the premier league that they couldn't stay up there longer. Holloway did a really good job there. I remember us playing them early in the season when they got promoted.
I thought they had no chance of going up with the defence they had.It's just that the team was full of goals at championship level that got them to the premiership.
What a game they had with us at the keepmoat, both sides very easy on the eye just going for it, a cracking game!.
-
I do feel for the Blackpool fans, all clubs should eventually go the way of German clubs (pretty sure) where the fans own and control 51% of each club. I want DR to get the 3 points though. In fact I want to see DR aiming to get a cushion with that extra goal, may have to wait till we get some of our injured players back.
-
There are ways around that though Sydney - look at the story of RB Leipzig
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/item/b58822ce-8cdf-4b60-bb01-1302881a6036?intc_type=promo&intc_location=sport&intc_campaign=fanpower&intc_linkname=bbcthree_fac_article1
-
Why should I feel sorry for Blackpool? How many felt sorry for us when we were having trouble with Richardson?
COYR
-
Why should I feel sorry for Blackpool? How many felt sorry for us when we were having trouble with Richardson?
COYR
That's why we should sympathise. Because we know how bad it is.
-
There are ways around that though Sydney - look at the story of RB Leipzig
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/item/b58822ce-8cdf-4b60-bb01-1302881a6036?intc_type=promo&intc_location=sport&intc_campaign=fanpower&intc_linkname=bbcthree_fac_article1
RB Leipzig are the most hated team in germany. Even more than Bayern, which is some achievement. German football fans are slightly less tribal than we are and for football fans to fight bad ownership we need to be more united. We need to stop putting money into the owners pockets and supporting stupid shortsighted money making schemes like the checkatrade cup u23 idea.
-
Why should I feel sorry for Blackpool? How many felt sorry for us when we were having trouble with Richardson?
COYR
The landscape has changed significantly since those days, and it was because of the struggles of clubs like Doncaster and Brighton that it has changed. The Labour Govt set up Supporters Direct 16 years ago and the story of supporters trusts, beginning with Northampton Town, started there. In fact the VSC was one of the very first and Andy Liney played a vital role in the trusts movement at the time.
I met the organiser of the new Nottm Forest supporters trust on Wednesday evening, who are also suffering under some very strange ownership, and because of the experience that we have they can find support and guidance in what has gone before.
-
Why should I feel sorry for Blackpool? How many felt sorry for us when we were having trouble with Richardson?
COYR
That's why we should sympathise. Because we know how bad it is.
Just because we know how bad it is doesn't mean I have to sympathise with them. And despite all these supporters trust that have been set up, why are we still seeing this. Are the supporters trust really working?
COYR
-
Why should I feel sorry for Blackpool? How many felt sorry for us when we were having trouble with Richardson?
COYR
That's why we should sympathise. Because we know how bad it is.
Just because we know how bad it is doesn't mean I have to sympathise with them. And despite all these supporters trust that have been set up, why are we still seeing this. Are the supporters trust really working?
COYR
Why? Because despite all the strides that have been made the governance of football in this country is still crap.
-
It was the local paper that took the pictures and I believe no1 was actually named were they,I thought people just said they new the perticular people without naming them?
-
I refuse to get drawn in to Oyston bashing, but what they've lacked (purely from the outside looking in) is that next step, that bit of clear intent about how they want to move forward in the post-Premier League season.
If something clear and concise was in place, almost a five-year plan, I think there'd be less circus like activities and the Oystons playing pantomime villains, and more of a football club operating - where headlines are made by football-related matters.
Blackpool fans also don't help themselves with utter juvenile rubbish like 'name and shame' photographs of people in the crowd. If folk want to watch their local team, let them, don't squeal about it and tell others how to live. People are capable of making decisions for themselves without the 'pack' mentality.
You quite obviously don't appreciate the gravity of the situation at Blackpool, felt by all it's supporters. All the Oystons need is a "bit of clear intent"???
-
I refuse to get drawn in to Oyston bashing, but what they've lacked (purely from the outside looking in) is that next step, that bit of clear intent about how they want to move forward in the post-Premier League season.
If something clear and concise was in place, almost a five-year plan, I think there'd be less circus like activities and the Oystons playing pantomime villains, and more of a football club operating - where headlines are made by football-related matters.
Blackpool fans also don't help themselves with utter juvenile rubbish like 'name and shame' photographs of people in the crowd. If folk want to watch their local team, let them, don't squeal about it and tell others how to live. People are capable of making decisions for themselves without the 'pack' mentality.
Rigo,
You really ought to get yourself on the Blackpool forums and let them know your views.
I'm fairly sure they would make you feel welcome.
-
The only "plan" the Oystons appear to have is to use the club as a cash cow. Otherwise I don't see why they don't sell up and go.
-
Rigo I think Bpool Rover might have a bit more knowledge than yourself.
-
The Blackpool fans are frustrated,people say football is just a game but the match day as a whole is far more, catching up with mates over a few beers talking football,is all part of that, they don't have that all they have is there mates or fellow fans being sued, 1 guy at the min crossed 1 word out in the paper and is putting probably everything he has worked for on the line just to defend himself,yes some people have said things they should not have but come on to try and ruin lives because of that is not right
-
It's the power of the mighty dollar again. It's easy to scare people, to force them to shut up, to back down, to grovel, when you have money. It's the nasis that underlies all those sooo wonderful injunctions and super injunctions. You can't have one of course no matter what is being said. But if you have a few million lying about - no problem! And that's what certain folk in Lancashire are doing. Running around threatening and terrorising people because they have the money to do so and those they are threatening and terrorising do not. It was called bullying when I was a kid.
Cheers
BobG
-
Correct Bob and unless your willing to risk everything there is nothing you can do as the laws are different in libel cases
-
The saddest thing about Blackpool is that it appears the Oystons are winning...The fans that are staying away are now getting lost to football,they are doing other things on Saturday and have said they are unlikely to ever return, and the legal action seems to have taken the fight out of them..The protest groups seem to have little support with the numbers attending meetings now...
-
Bob G not being funny, but what is a "nasis"?
-
You really are nothing more than a WUM or a blithering idiot - or both?
-
Geoffrey Richmond helped get Bradford City to the premier league. He then paid himself a dividend of millions before walking away and leaving them to face administration. The club didn't own some players,turnstiles and even carpets.
Some still think he did OK for City, others don't.
He even took Sean Harvey to the club from Scarborough.
-
Rigo they didn't pay for a
Fair chunk of the ground, the other part owner did belekon and he is taking the oystons to court at the minute to try and get about 20 million plus I believe
-
And still if the Oyston's decide they don't want to sell, what's the alternative?
fan ownership aka the portsmouth model
-
Rigo, I do wish that you would read up on a few things before launching a defence of the indefensible.
The club at Blackpool is split into two, there is the playing side of the club with very little assets and then there is a property company which owns the stadium. The Oystons of course own the property company. The rebuilding work at Bloomfield Road was carried out by Oystons companies and when they ran out of money large sums were borrowed from Belakon, a 20% owner of the club. He is still waiting for repayment despite the large sums taken out of the club in salary by Oystons.
The club were bottom of Lg1 when Belakon came into the club, and he financed the rise to the Premiership with Ian Holloway. He's still waiting for that to be repaid too.
Then there is the case of the money taken out. In one particular instance the club owned a piece of land next to the South Stand, they sold it to Oystons for £600k and a year later the club bought it back for £6.5m! Then, despite their notorious wage cap for all players whilst in the Prem Oystons paid himself a salary of about £20m, although the initial accounts showed a salary of £11m.
The business model is simple, the playing side drives the revenues which are then transferred to the property side, owned by the Oystons. When the revenues are not there they starve the club of funds, hence the fall through the leagues back to where they Oystons found them. Meanwhile the Oystons sit back on their assets and their property company, hotel included, whilst the supporters are completely ignored, or sued, or banned depending on their mood.
-
you are bringing back memories of "scarborough holdings" full stop.
-
I'd say the club has had a very clear direction for the past five years. And it's not upwards.
-
Jesus SM! I didn't realise it was as bad, and as blatant, as that. Just what the chuff do the FA and FL think they are there for? For 20 years now I've failed to grasp their purpose. The FA's Charter says, explicitly, that one of its roles is 'to protect the game at all levels'. I assume therefore that no one on the FA Board this last 20 or 30 years has ever been able to read. They're certainly all stone deaf too. If I was a younger and more Active Blackpool supporter I'd be tempted to suggest they abandon the club to the Oystons and go off to support a replacement Phoenix club. They'd have more fun, they'd control their own destiny and they have multiplying precedents to follow too these days.
BobG
-
A lot of Blackpool fans appear to have decamped to AFC Fylde.
-
Good for them. As of now I have a very soft spot for AFC Fylde.
Come on you Fylde! Don't really ring right does it? Sod it. Come on you Fylde!
BobG
-
Rigo, how can you possibly say "I refuse to get into Oyston bashing" and then go on to virtually condoning their behaviour, when all the evidence is stacked against them?
Surely any decent football fan would recognise how badly the Oyston family have acted during their tenure of Blackpool FC?
If the Blackpool fans oppose them, surely that's a pretty good indicator?
Or do you know better?
-
Rigo, how can you possibly say "I refuse to get into Oyston bashing" and then go on to virtually condoning their behaviour, when all the evidence is stacked against them?
Surely any decent football fan would recognise how badly the Oyston family have acted during their tenure of Blackpool FC?
If the Blackpool fans oppose them, surely that's a pretty good indicator?
Or do you know better?
He's not a football fan, let alone a decent one.
-
I'm not condoning, or condemning, anyone. I'm only pointing out that the club has had success during their ownership of it - a bit more than your average lower league club, too.
Maybe, if Blackpool fans decamp en masse to AFC Fylde and they become the 'big' club in that region, that will make the Oyston Family think differently about their ownership in the long-term. Who knows?
Yes Rigo, but its in spite of, and not because of, their ownership.
-
You won't get that many going to afc fylde as its closer to Preston than it is Blackpool and it has a Preston post code
-
Bad business practice is one thing, dodgy dealings is a completely different world. Most clubs, one way or the other, get found out at some point and with the current focus on good governance then woe betide anybody attempting that. Ask Sam Allardyce.
-
You could say same for Sepp blatter Fifa president for 17 years but was he any good
-
So, the 'success' of playing in the Premier League outweighs the real cost of 'achieving' it, and furthermore means that no one should have the right to complain about the shit they're now in because of the underhand business methods of their owners?
"Why are you moaning that your club is being asset-stripped and run into the ground - you were in the Premier League once, shut up and be grateful for past glories"
-
He didnt get them to the premier league he wouldn't even pay for Charlie Adam the main reason they got there,belekon did
-
So, the 'success' of playing in the Premier League outweighs the real cost of 'achieving' it, and furthermore means that no one should have the right to complain about the shit they're now in because of the underhand business methods of their owners?
"Why are you moaning that your club is being asset-stripped and run into the ground - you were in the Premier League once, shut up and be grateful for past glories"
If DRFC had got to the Premier League instead of Blackpool back in the 2009/10 season, I don't think many people would have complained too much.
Lets face it, the wage budgets weren't that far apart back then, when compared against the other teams in the division such as Newcastle, West Brom, Ipswich, etc.
But if DRFC had done it using the dodgy methods that would have left us where Blackpool are now, would you still be saying that we should shut up and accept it even though nobody knew what was really going on to get us into the Premier League in the first place?
And that we should be happy the the people who had done that to DRFC were still in control of the club?
-
No, the problem is that Blackpool are run by a bunch of cowboys.
And a fleeting bit of punching above their weight doesn't alter the fact that the people running them are cowboys, no matter how much you try to play the 'everybody's doing it' card. I'd love to see you say that to DRFC's current ownership's face though.
EDIT That must mean you think that JR was up to stuff he shouldn't have been. Care to elaborate or are you all piss and wind as usual?
-
For who dislikes Doncaster Rovers Football Club so much Rigo spends an awful lot of time trawling this forum and adding snippets of bile to it .
Now I await his normal snide reply, things like no one else knows the workings of a football club, worked for a football club, etc etc
-
So you don't think that some dodgy business practices were going on at DRFC in the same era, and quite probably the majority of other clubs in the league?
The problem is Blackpool achieved against the odds and then rapidly declined, which meant everyone started falling out with each other, chucking solicitors letters about, and they became more newsworthy for off-field events, rather than on-field events.
You cannot possibly equate 'business practices' at DRFC to those at Blackpool during this time.
The Oystens.....well, Google it. They cannot compare to the stewardship of our club over the last 10 years. It's nothing to do with achieving against the odds then tumbling back down.
Anyway, why am I bothering?
-
Anyway, again, if Karl Oyston's so bad, why is he regarded so highly by the Football League?
I think that says quite a lot about the Football League!
-
Anyway, again, if Karl Oyston's so bad, why is he regarded so highly by the Football League?
Law of attraction.
It explains Rigo's regard too.
-
The same football league that banned him from the ground for calling a fan a retard