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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: ChrisBx on May 09, 2021, 12:39:40 pm
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Now that the season is over, which players would you retain irrespective of their contractual situation?
My list:
- Louis Jones;
- Reece James;
- Anderson;
- Okenabirhie;
- Lokilo;
- Taylor;
- Bostock;
- John;
- Greaves;
- Horton.
Given that we're likely to lose Reece James, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Bostock leave as well, the new manager has a great opportunity to build the squad they want.
Edit: completely forgot Anderson.
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Of this lot, probably only Copps.
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Think that’s pretty much spot on would add Joe Wright as a backup
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list:
- Louis Jones;
- Reece James;
- Okenabirhie;
- Lokilo;
- Taylor;
- Bostock;….no
- John;
- Greaves;
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In spite of throwing away a promotion season and it’s temping but you can’t get rid of everyone unfortunately and start a afresh with a clean sheet , SO lot depends if the clubs aim is promotion or just to build a squad of young players who are trying , but need experience , but will give you stamina and grow stronger throughout a season. Without knowing who the next manager is and what backing he will get, its hard to see what is going to happen with even the contracted players .
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Push restart..... none of the seniors have shown the desire to be considered..
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None- big clear out required!!!
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I wouldn’t be sorry if we never saw most of them again.
Get rid of them all (the youngsters excluded)
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Jones as a no 2
Okenberie
Lokilo
John
Greaves
Horton
Taylor
Bostock(but think he will leave)
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Wtf has Lokilo done to warrant another contract with this club?
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I wouldn't bother offering a new contract to any of the players out of contract. A fresh start for both them & the club is what's needed. All the loanees are going back. The only one I would like to see back is Smith. Try and get him back & 4 quality season long loanees then fill the squad with good experience.
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The burning question is:
How can any that get retained hold their heads up next season...?
They will get slated from day one....
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Bostock's absence speaks volumes.
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Lokilo had 2 good games all season.
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Can we just pay Bogle up and give the new manager his wages to play with?
I do not want that guy anywhere near this team next year.
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Lokilo is only a young kid and has shown promise,
He’s not one of the ones we should be shipping out
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Lokilo had 2 good games all season.
Recently too when he’s approaching being out of contract. Not good enough, get him gone
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Lokilo is only a young kid and has shown promise,
He’s not one of the ones we should be shipping out
You are having a laugh surely? Looked ok in 2 games!
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Some only remember the mistakes and decided he’s shit rather than the positive things he can and does do
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2 more games than rest of the team
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Lokilo is only a young kid and has shown promise,
He’s not one of the ones we should be shipping out
You are having a laugh surely? Looked ok in 2 games!
He was a lot better than ok against Rochdale,
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If we had any choice, Anderson only and Taylor. Clearly we won’t do that so unfortunately some of this shower of pathetic shite will still be with us next season which is worrying
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Lokilo is only a young kid and has shown promise,
He’s not one of the ones we should be shipping out
You are having a laugh surely? Looked ok in 2 games!
He was a lot better than ok against Rochdale,
Oh right well, another year then!
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Bostock's absence speaks volumes.
Does it? We'll have a different manager next week so everyone has a clean slate.
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My 'keep' list:
- Louis Jones;
- Anderson;
- Taylor;
- Greaves;
- Horton.
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Bostock's absence speaks volumes.
Does it? We'll have a different manager next week so everyone has a clean slate.
You're right, the manager will allow them a clean slate, but a lot of fans will not allow some of the players such a luxury - some of them have been a disgrace.
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Jones (as number 1, only one bad game so far but bring on an experienced backup to keep him on his toes.)
James (not in defence, wouldn't go OTT to keep though)
Anderson
Wright
John
Butler
Horton
Greaves
Bostock
Lokilo (6 month deal, extend if he performs like recently)
Taylor
Okenabirhie
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Lokilo is only a young kid and has shown promise,
He’s not one of the ones we should be shipping out
You are having a laugh surely? Looked ok in 2 games!
He was a lot better than ok against Rochdale,
Oh right well, another year then!
He’s started probably half a dozen games this season and he’s played well 3 or 4 games.
He’s done much better than most others since Xmas
Anyway it’s your opinion and it’s my opinion, done need to keep going on and on about it
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Bostock's absence speaks volumes.
Does it? We'll have a different manager next week so everyone has a clean slate.
You're right, the manager will allow them a clean slate, but a lot of fans will not allow some of the players such a luxury - some of them have been a disgrace.
I agree but if you look back at 15-16 we had Butler, Rowe and Coppinger in a team that got relegated from League One then all 3 were instrumental in getting us into the play offs a few seasons later.
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My list:
- Louis Jones #2
- Anderson
- Okenabirhie
- Taylor
- Horton
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Not seen Blythe play before today but he impressed me.
He should be around the first team squad next season.
John Jules tried his socks off today so it would be nice to try and get him back along with Matt Smith if possible.
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DonnyOsmond
You have selected 12 players you would have not season we have finished 14th with them
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Definitely keep
Jones
Wright
Anderson
Amos
Blythe
Horton
Greaves
Lokilo
Taylor
Hasani
Ravenhill
Seaman
Maybe keep
Bostock
Okenabirhie
John
Gomes
Butler
Bottomley
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It only takes a couple a bad apples to spoil a team , I’m sure the powers that be will know who they are
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DonnyOsmond
You have selected 12 players you would have not season we have finished 14th with them
A lot of those players were part of a team that was challenging for the title till mid-Feb.
We're also bringing in a new manager.
Potentially a new style of play that could suit some players better e.g. Bostock.
And I would still sign at least 7 first teamers to add to that.
That's a lot more drastic a change then what happened between 17-18 and 18-19. We finished the season with 4 wins from 21, McCann came in and didn't change many faces and he got us into the play offs. Just because this teams done shit since Feb doesn't mean they'll do shit next season under someone else.
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Could count how many on one finger.
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Lokilo no chance potential is one thing effort and application is another he’s done well last couple of games granted but we show too much loyalty at times - clean the decks and get rid of the deadwood
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None of the defence (including Anderson) because defensively we have been awful for the last 20 or more games.
None of the midfield, which has been none-existent for months.
Strikers? Fej is our top scorer with 11, so maybe he's worth another go, but the rest? Nope.
And Jones, who has played well recently.
It won't happen because 1) we probably can't afford it (which I totally understand) and 2) it would be entirely unrealistic to put together a completely brand new squad in the closed season
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I do wonder whether we do have to completely rebuild the defence. It has been abject and such a soft touch that even just one or two new faces might not be able to cover the cracks that are there. It is not just ability it is a mindset weakness that seems to be there. Loss of concentration, poor organisation especially at set pieces, seeming acceptance that conceding anything is somehow an occupational hazard.
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Jones as number 2
Anderson
James
Taylor
Fej
along with the kids who have already signed.
The rest can go.
Id have Taylor Richards back but very much doubt that will happen.
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Keep
Jones
Horton
Greaves
Taylor
Anderson
Fej
Other than that I’m struggling. Not saying these should be 1st choice either
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Based on this thread, the consensus just about seems to be:
Jones
Anderson
John
Horton
Greaves
Taylor
Okenabirhie
And very little else. I wouldn't disagree too much, we need a massive clear-out.
It seems that, bar the new manager wielding the axe on contracted players, we will start next season with this lot:
Jones
Seaman
Butler
Anderson
John
Horton
Bostock
Greaves
Taylor
Williams
Okenabirhie
Bogle
That's a dozen players...although I would be kicking Bogle out the door immediately, and I don't really care to see Bostock or Williams stay either. Butler I'd like to see involved but not as a first choice player.
We need an awful lot of new blood. Fresh faces to fit a fresh style and set-up, and with a wholly new attitude because this squad is mentally as weak as is possible. We are lucky not to be getting relegated the way this season has panned out in the end.
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Thought Blythe on the ball was a breathe of fresh air. Saw his passes early and made them with conviction. Should have started him a few weeks ago imo. Couldnt have done any worse than the rest. Just saw Cameron John posted a bit of cryptic message on Instagram as well. Really hope thats not a dig at the club in an attempt at saying he wish he hadnt joined because my message to him wouldnt be so cryptic...... f**king sh!te.
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Thought Blythe on the ball was a breathe of fresh air. Saw his passes early and made them with conviction. Should have started him a few weeks ago imo. Couldnt have done any worse than the rest. Just saw Cameron John posted a bit of cryptic message on Instagram as well. Really hope thats not a dig at the club in an attempt at saying he wish he hadnt joined because my message to him wouldnt be so cryptic...... f**king sh!te.
"Live and learn. Onto next season"?
Seems like a standard end of season thing to say.
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I’m on the fence with John. We know there’s a good player there wouldn’t be too fussed if he left but a new manager could turn him into a top player.
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Thought Blythe on the ball was a breathe of fresh air. Saw his passes early and made them with conviction. Should have started him a few weeks ago imo. Couldnt have done any worse than the rest. Just saw Cameron John posted a bit of cryptic message on Instagram as well. Really hope thats not a dig at the club in an attempt at saying he wish he hadnt joined because my message to him wouldnt be so cryptic...... f**king sh!te.
"Live and learn. Onto next season"?
Seems like a standard end of season thing to say.
Live and learn to me usually means you have made a mistake. If hes criticizing his own season then you would think he would say a bit more than live and learn. But thats just me.
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Thought Blythe on the ball was a breathe of fresh air. Saw his passes early and made them with conviction. Should have started him a few weeks ago imo. Couldnt have done any worse than the rest. Just saw Cameron John posted a bit of cryptic message on Instagram as well. Really hope thats not a dig at the club in an attempt at saying he wish he hadnt joined because my message to him wouldnt be so cryptic...... f**king sh!te.
"Live and learn. Onto next season"?
Seems like a standard end of season thing to say.
Live and learn to me usually means you have made a mistake. If hes criticizing his own season then you would think he would say a bit more than live and learn. But thats just me.
You're reading too far into it.
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No body has even mentioned Halliday.
Are we keeping him or not.
I would definitely keep him but may well be in a minority on this forum with that view.
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I’m on the fence with John. We know there’s a good player there wouldn’t be too fussed if he left but a new manager could turn him into a top player.
It killed his confidence in and out the team and when he was playing he was out of position. Hopefully the new manager to come in will play him regular at centre half as there is a player there.
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No body has even mentioned Halliday.
Are we keeping him or not.
I would definitely keep him but may well be in a minority on this forum with that view.
In that case you’re in a minority of at least two as I would keep him.
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I don't think Anderson is the same player since he got knocked out. Whether it's a mental thing or he physically isn't the same player it's impossible to know. He's no stranger to head injuries and a few concussions can seriously affect you.
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Agree just hope a break over summer and a fresh start can get him back to where he was before. Certainly need at least 1 new centre half next season. Assume Wright is leaving and I’m not fussed about that he’s been pathetic since DM left
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I’d keep Halliday as well although it would be good to see another RB to challenge for the spot (who knows, maybe Seaman is up to it?)
Even if he does leave, hopefully the fact that he played today puts to bed the nonsense that he wasn’t willing to play and making up an injury. Halliday’s always been one of the more committed players in the team and I think some of the comments about him missing over the past month have been pretty disrespectful and look to have been unfair.
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I’d keep Halliday as well although it would be good to see another RB to challenge for the spot (who knows, maybe Seaman is up to it?)
Even if he does leave, hopefully the fact that he played today puts to bed the nonsense that he wasn’t willing to play and making up an injury. Halliday’s always been one of the more committed players in the team and I think some of the comments about him missing over the past month have been pretty disrespectful and look to have been unfair.
100% with you Nick with that post.
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Bostock's absence speaks volumes.
Does it? We'll have a different manager next week so everyone has a clean slate.
You're right, the manager will allow them a clean slate, but a lot of fans will not allow some of the players such a luxury - some of them have been a disgrace.
Why was Bostock missing?
Everyone should get a clean sheet.
What as Bostock done more than others to warrant so much calling by people on here?
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Something from the latest issue of the fanzine that could offer a general guide on this. We asked 62* Rovers fans, regardless of contract or loan status, which players would you like to see retained at the club for 2021-22
(Well, I asked more, but only 62 responded in time for the print deadline)
The players are listed below by the percentage of fans surveyed who wished to see them kept on (Butler is included as a player not a manager).
100% Tom Anderson
95.2% James Coppinger
95.2% Reece James
95.2% Louis Jones
95.2% Matt Smith
95.2% Jon Taylor
93.6% Tyreece John-Jules
90.3% Fejiri Okenabirhie
87.1% Liam Ravenhill
83.9% AJ Greaves
83.9% Joe Wright
82.3% Brandon Horton
82.3% Josh Sims
79% Andy Butler
77.4% Lirak Hasani
75.8% Cameron John
74.2% Brad Halliday
71% Danny Amos
69.4% Ben Bottomley
62.9% John Bostock
48.4% Taylor Richards
41.9% Omar Bogle
29% Jason Lokilo
22.6% Scott Robertson
22.6% Ed Williams
17.8% Madger Gomes
6.5% Ellery Balcombe
4.8% Elliot Simoes
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No body has even mentioned Halliday.
Are we keeping him or not.
I would definitely keep him but may well be in a minority on this forum with that view.
In that case you’re in a minority of at least two as I would keep him.
You can add me to the same list as well.
I think he is overly criticised.
Of course he gets done by clever wingers sometimes but tell me a fullback he doesn’t.
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Bostock is a shoe in, he was mis-employed but does have quality and the new manager might hearth his skill set to maximum ..
Seamon needs bedding in
Anderson should be the weakest defender after recruitments start....high benchmark!
Fej can score just needs a hug
Personally I would like to see all the young ones playing regularly and add experienced heads when needed....not the other way around!
That.....didn’t work....let’s try something different and closer to home..
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Definitely keep
Jones
Wright
Anderson
Amos
Blythe
Horton
Greaves
Lokilo
Taylor
Hasani
Ravenhill
Seaman
Maybe keep
Bostock
Okenabirhie
John
Gomes
Butler
Bottomley
. So we would keep almost everyone that got us in the mess we found our season in.
Don’t run for manager any time soon !!
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Not including the young lads the only first team players I would keep would be
Jones
Anderson
James
Bostock
Taylor
Okinbiri
The rest I would get rid of and have a total rebuild. I could see Bostock being a key play under Wellens
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Well out of the above lists out of the senior players Greaves,Anderson,Jones and Taylor are worth keeping.. If Bostock,Halliday,Wright,Amos,lokilo,Butler,John,Gomes and Okenarbirhie left tomorrow i wouldn't lose a blink of sleep over any of them
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Bostock has got such a hammering on here, I can see him being a big player next season, full pre-season not just 1 on 1 training on powerleague pitches (nod to the YouTube channel) allow him to dictate the play, his range of passing CAN be superb at times, the ball into Fej against Shrewsbury was unreal
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Well out of the above lists out of the senior players Greaves,Anderson,Jones and Taylor are worth keeping.. If Bostock,Halliday,Wright,Amos,lokilo,Butler,John,Gomes and Okenarbirhie left tomorrow i wouldn't lose a blink of sleep over any of them
Always a smart idea getting rid of your top scorer.
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Not sure why Fej gets the stick he does. God only knows where we'd be without him this season.
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For me, the main criteria for getting rid would be those who could be identified as not giving their best. Of those, I would have to say Bogle, James and Rostock. James was at it again on Sunday, not competing for the ball. There was a 50-50 late in the game, he dropped a step to let the Peterborough player be first to the ball and then actually side-stepped to allow the player take the ball past him. Absolutely f*cking inexcusable and regardless of what he has done for us before or how good a player we think he is he should never be allowed to pull on the hoops again.
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For me, the main criteria for getting rid would be those who could be identified as not giving their best. Of those, I would have to say Bogle, James and Rostock. James was at it again on Sunday, not competing for the ball. There was a 50-50 late in the game, he dropped a step to let the Peterborough player be first to the ball and then actually side-stepped to allow the player take the ball past him. Absolutely f*cking inexcusable and regardless of what he has done for us before or how good a player we think he is he should never be allowed to pull on the hoops again.
Yes that non challenge by Reece James did get my eye also. Earlier in the season that would not have happened. Does suggest he was looking after himself and not the team. Read into that what we want.
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Been obvious with James for weeks, it really is unacceptable. I'm not sure he's the only one but he's certainly the obvious one, especially compared to his previous levels. I wonder if that knock he took at Crewe has played on his mind combined with him scouting his next move.
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Definitely keep
Jones
Wright
Anderson
Amos
Blythe
Horton
Greaves
Lokilo
Taylor
Hasani
Ravenhill
Seaman
Maybe keep
Bostock
Okenabirhie
John
Gomes
Butler
Bottomley
. So we would keep almost everyone that got us in the mess we found our season in.
Don’t run for manager any time soon !!
Respecting the clubs policy around discretion until the final result is anounced, I'm no able to disclose my position for the manager position.
You'll note that only 3 of my "definitely keeps" are mainstream first teamers. Jones I think needs another season as number two. Lokilo is aruably another but I think is still developing. All those youngsters, including Seaman are more than worth a shot.
The "maybe keeps" are players that could form part of a squad and may shine more with a new manager, depends. Bostock a prime example of that. Bottomley I really don't know, but from what I can make out could make the grade.
As for the mess we find ourselves in, Stan, that came primarily from when DM had his head turned, and the club lost it's direction. A few players, eg Anderson and Wright need to find their mojo again, but are more than capable at this level.
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Definitely keep
Jones
Wright
Anderson
Amos
Blythe
Horton
Greaves
Lokilo
Taylor
Hasani
Ravenhill
Seaman
Maybe keep
Bostock
Okenabirhie
John
Gomes
Butler
Bottomley
. So we would keep almost everyone that got us in the mess we found our season in.
Don’t run for manager any time soon !!
1969 - you should learn to read.
There are four, yes, four, names in Bristol's 'Definitely keep' list that played more than a handful of first team games. There is one in the 'Maybe keep' list - along with 3 others, 4 at a stretch, who played a reasonable number of games during the season. So your point, friend, shows both your illiteracy and your desperate desire to make headlines without reference to facts. It must be fun living in your fantasy. It's gotta be fun 'cos no bugger would ever want to look such a stupid pillock as you do without there being something damn good in return.
BobG
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I’d keep Halliday as well although it would be good to see another RB to challenge for the spot (who knows, maybe Seaman is up to it?)
Even if he does leave, hopefully the fact that he played today puts to bed the nonsense that he wasn’t willing to play and making up an injury. Halliday’s always been one of the more committed players in the team and I think some of the comments about him missing over the past month have been pretty disrespectful and look to have been unfair.
Erm. Ok.
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The thing about Halliday was that he always looked one of the most enthusiastic players on the pitch. It was regularly him that rushed into the opposition net to retrieve the ball when we scored ready to go again asap.
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We can acquire a dog to chase after the ball. Plenty of them down town fields. We need defenders who can defend. This season we have had precious few and this needs to be rectified this summer. We can’t have another season of this circus act at the back.
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What we need is a consistent unit at the back that know each other's game and play at consistently decent level. Confidence breeds confidence.
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Jones won't improve much on the bench. He's had one poor game out of about 15, the rest of the time he's saved countless goals. Give him time on the pitch he will develop. Fair enough bring someone in to compete and if he starts poorly then drop him but he's earnt the start.
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Definitely keep
Jones
Wright
Anderson
Amos
Blythe
Horton
Greaves
Lokilo
Taylor
Hasani
Ravenhill
Seaman
Maybe keep
Bostock
Okenabirhie
John
Gomes
Butler
Bottomley
. So we would keep almost everyone that got us in the mess we found our season in.
Don’t run for manager any time soon !!
1969 - you should learn to read.
There are four, yes, four, names in Bristol's 'Definitely keep' list that played more than a handful of first team games. There is one in the 'Maybe keep' list - along with 3 others, 4 at a stretch, who played a reasonable number of games during the season. So your point, friend, shows both your illiteracy and your desperate desire to make headlines without reference to facts. It must be fun living in your fantasy. It's gotta be fun 'cos no bugger would ever want to look such a stupid pillock as you do without there being something damn good in return.
BobG
Why do you always have to come across as a keyboard Jacob Rees Mogg?
You really are a condescending prick at times.
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Keep most of the youngsters, help them develop.
I.e: Ravenhill
Jones
Hasani
Greaves
Bottomless
Horton
Blythe
Amos
Seaman
Then out of the current first team:
Anderson
Taylor
Fej
Butler (player coaching role)
James (even if it's to sell him to earn some money from it)
As for the rest, they can go. Let's hit refresh.
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The CEO said he wanted a squad of 22 supported by 3/5 developing players and 3/5 quality loans.
Jones.
Seaman.
Anderson. (Will he stay)
John. (Will he stay)
Butler
Bostock. (Will he stay)
Greaves.
Taylor.
Williams
Okenabirhie.
Bogle.
Out of contract
Halliday?
Wright?
James?
Lokilo?
Amos?
Horton?
Gomes?
Development
Bottomley
Blythe? (contract)
Hasani
Ravenhill? (contract)
Loans
3/5 loans
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The thing about Halliday was that he always looked one of the most enthusiastic players on the pitch. It was regularly him that rushed into the opposition net to retrieve the ball when we scored ready to go again asap.
Seeing as you used the word "regularly", Idler, I think you mean OUR net, rather than the opposition's net.
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Sorry Steve, I should have said on the rare occasions we scored it was him that was enthusiastically retrieving the ball for us to keep momentum going. Or delay the opposition attacking for a bit longer.