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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: The Red Baron on September 20, 2012, 05:01:33 pm
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Leaving the Rovers Board:
http://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/article/peter-hepworth-leaves-board-379460.aspx (http://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/article/peter-hepworth-leaves-board-379460.aspx)
By my reckoning that means the only directors are JR and Stuart Highfield. Does this constitute a quorum?
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Gavin Baldwin will be listed as a Director, as for the Quroum I'm not sure...
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Sad news, he put a lot of time and effort into the stadium negotiations when it was built and he's a Rovers fan through and through. All the best to him.
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For a private company the minimum number for a quorum is 2 and for a public company its 5
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Is the club up for sale ?
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What evidence is out there that points to a conclusion of the club being up for sale?
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What evidence is out there that points to any conclusion of Rovin Reporter?
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Still, fact we have two directors remaining is cause for concern. What is happening behind the scenes?
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Do directors get paid?
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What evidence is out there that points to a conclusion of the club being up for sale?
It is an easy conclusion to make when you look @ No investment in the team ( all players cost nothing to sign & players missed through ;lack of activity ) , build assets only ( taking on loss making Stadium overall not just long lease ) , Directors leaving ( how many is that now), silence generally from the club on any of the for mentioned . the club say it has a large playing budget ? no evidence of this if we only have 11 fit players , IMO if you scale back on out goings and put all your money into asset purchase ie keepmoat etc, then all this lend its self to put the club in readiness for a either a large investor or it is open for offers . IMO :thumbdown:
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What evidence is out there that points to a conclusion of the club being up for sale?
It is an easy conclusion to make when you look @ No investment in the team ( all players cost nothing to sign & players missed through ;lack of activity ) , build assets only ( taking on loss making Stadium overall not just long lease ) , Directors leaving ( how many is that now), silence generally from the club on any of the for mentioned . the club say it has a large playing budget ? no evidence of this if we only have 11 fit players , IMO if you scale back on out goings and put all your money into asset purchase ie keepmoat etc, then all this lend its self to put the club in readiness for a either a large investor or it is open for offers . IMO :thumbdown:
I just don't get your rationale here RR, there are many assumtions here. Where is the queue ?
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What evidence is out there that points to a conclusion of the club being up for sale?
It is an easy conclusion to make when you look @ No investment in the team ( all players cost nothing to sign & players missed through ;lack of activity ) , build assets only ( taking on loss making Stadium overall not just long lease ) , Directors leaving ( how many is that now), silence generally from the club on any of the for mentioned . the club say it has a large playing budget ? no evidence of this if we only have 11 fit players , IMO if you scale back on out goings and put all your money into asset purchase ie keepmoat etc, then all this lend its self to put the club in readiness for a either a large investor or it is open for offers . IMO :thumbdown:
The long lease of the stadium is essentially not much different to ownership though.
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Just how many directors did John Ryan upset last season with his decision to let Willie McKay 'help' us?
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Just how many directors did John Ryan upset last season with his decision to let Willie McKay 'help' us?
Obviously more than we thought AR.
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What evidence is out there that points to a conclusion of the club being up for sale?
It is an easy conclusion to make when you look @ No investment in the team ( all players cost nothing to sign & players missed through ;lack of activity ) , build assets only ( taking on loss making Stadium overall not just long lease ) , Directors leaving ( how many is that now), silence generally from the club on any of the for mentioned . the club say it has a large playing budget ? no evidence of this if we only have 11 fit players , IMO if you scale back on out goings and put all your money into asset purchase ie keepmoat etc, then all this lend its self to put the club in readiness for a either a large investor or it is open for offers . IMO :thumbdown:
Jeez RR, have you not been reading any of the posts I've been putting on here for the last 6 months??
1) We have a playing budget of about £4m which leaves a large hole between income and expenditure which the owners of the club are filling. What's that if its not investment?
2) Building assets only? Have you not seen the figures I put up here months ago which shows the lease is actually cheaper then the rent we were paying? And that the savings being gained move the stadium into profit rather than being a drain on revenue.
3) 11 fit players? WE currently have a squad of 18, all just about fit, with plans to bring in more as and when needed.
4) The conclusions you reach are a nonsense and just scaremongering
5) And if a large investor did come in is that such a bad thing?
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Well said, Silent Majority. There are too many on this forum who are too quick to put an error-strewn negative spin on any piece of news regarding the club. What their motives are is just beyond me.
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Just how many directors did John Ryan upset last season with his decision to let Willie McKay 'help' us?
Obviously more than we thought AR.
Again no basis in fact at all. Maybe AR needs to elaborate?
The fact is the decision to appoint WM was made by the owners of the club, JR, DW and TB. One other Director had a hand in that which was Dave Morris. So that's 4 Directors who thought it was a good thing plus it was also a joint decision so why are blaming JR yet again? Answer, because we like to attack the people who look after this club, it seems that any made up fact can be used to do so.
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I'd like to think that the vast majority of Rovers' supporters read the drivel posted by certain members of our community and see it for exactly what it is.
I sometimes wonder which club some of these people support.
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The same John Ryan ho had such a good relationship with his directors, that two of them resigned three months later and he sacked the other one from his job as CEO.
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The same John Ryan ho had such a good relationship with his directors, that two of them resigned three months later and he sacked the other one from his job as CEO.
Yes, but you stated that JR upset these directors by appointing WM, as I said you need to elaborate on that, not point out the obvious! Furthermore he didn't sack the CEO, he resigned. You really need to sort out your facts Al as most of them have no basis in truth.
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That' not what a certain close relation of Mr Morris was telling everyone who could be bothered to listen in Armthorpe only a few weeks ago.
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That' not what a certain close relation of Mr Morris was telling everyone who could be bothered to listen in Armthorpe only a few weeks ago.
So somebody who knows Dave Morris was blabbing in a pub in Armthorpe so therefore everything must be true? Jeez, you're not worth arguing with!
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I think the person in question more than knows Dave Morris. They are a blood relation!
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That' not what a certain close relation of Mr Morris was telling everyone who could be bothered to listen in Armthorpe only a few weeks ago.
So somebody who knows Dave Morris was blabbing in a pub in Armthorpe so therefore everything must be true? Jeez, you're not worth arguing with!
You're wasting your breath on some folk SM, but good on you for attempting to set the record straight.
There's none so blind as those who do not wish to see.....
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In Dave Morris's own words.... http://www.southyorkshiretimes.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/chief-exec-steps-down-in-boardroom-reshuffle-1-4370874 (http://www.southyorkshiretimes.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/chief-exec-steps-down-in-boardroom-reshuffle-1-4370874)
That trumps "some bloke in Armthorpe" I think
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That' not what a certain close relation of Mr Morris was telling everyone who could be bothered to listen in Armthorpe only a few weeks ago.
So somebody who knows Dave Morris was blabbing in a pub in Armthorpe so therefore everything must be true? Jeez, you're not worth arguing with!
You're wasting your breath on some folk SM, but good on you for attempting to set the record straight.
There's none so blind as those who do not wish to see.....
I know its a difficult task Neil, but I hate to see complete fabrication on this forum just because somebody has, for whatever reason, an axe to grind. We do have to counter the made up negative bile that some people persist on peddling. We have a great club here, fantastic supporters, some very benevolent owners and staff who work their socks off to get things right for us and yet I see that drivel, I despair!
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Dave Morris was forced out. Remember SM that you are in the club's pocket, so it would be foolish to expect you to say anything negative.
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Dave Morris was forced out. Remember SM that you are in the club's pocket, so it would be foolish to expect you to say anything negative.
What I say now is purely my own view.....
...you're saying he was forced out like that was a bad thing.
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All i asked was the club up for sale? and offered my reason for thinking this dreadful thought , i will now jump of Balby Bridge Good Bye!! :evil:
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Dave Morris was forced out. Remember SM that you are in the club's pocket, so it would be foolish to expect you to say anything negative.
So you'd rather have Dave Morris back than Gavin Baldwin at the helm?
And you keep saying the club is badly run, etc? You're loopy. You'll be suggesting Peter Ridsdale replaces John Ryan as chairman next.
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Two directors is still a worrying situation, no matter how you gloss over it.
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2 good directors are better than 4 bad ones. It's not an issue t all.
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Dave Morris was forced out. Remember SM that you are in the club's pocket, so it would be foolish to expect you to say anything negative.
Yet another unfounded accusation against my character. I suggest you substantiate that one with some facts or examples.
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Two directors is still a worrying situation, no matter how you gloss over it.
How do you get to a total of two?
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Leaving the Rovers Board:
http://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/article/peter-hepworth-leaves-board-379460.aspx (http://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/article/peter-hepworth-leaves-board-379460.aspx)
By my reckoning that means the only directors are JR and Stuart Highfield. Does this constitute a quorum?
There.
Are we hoping to bring in two or three more directors now Copps has gone?
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Leaving the Rovers Board:
http://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/article/peter-hepworth-leaves-board-379460.aspx (http://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/article/peter-hepworth-leaves-board-379460.aspx)
By my reckoning that means the only directors are JR and Stuart Highfield. Does this constitute a quorum?
There.
Are we hoping to bring in two or three more directors now Copps has gone?
Oh my aching sides, your sarcastic wit has me rolling in the aisles.
But I will ask the question again, where does it say we have only two Directors?
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We have 3 directors. Ryan, Highfield and Baldwin.
How many did we have before (ie at the same time last year)? About 10?
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About 7 too many?
Here's the thing. JR, DW and TB now have "owner meetings" regarding the running of the club. They are not board meetings as two of the majority shareholders are no longer on the board.
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SM will be the next Wroey and this forum will end up like YAURS.
And where did I say I wanted Dave Morris back as chairman? I don't think he was any good for us. I just had my ears open when a close relative of his was broadcasting their dirty linen in the Wheatsheaf a few weeks ago.
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SM will be the next Wroey and this forum will end up like YAURS.
And where did I say I wanted Dave Morris back as chairman? I don't think he was any good for us. I just had my ears open when a close relative of his was broadcasting their dirty linen in the Wheatsheaf a few weeks ago.
Another accusation. Elaborate as I've asked.
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SM will be the next Wroey and this forum will end up like YAURS.
And where did I say I wanted Dave Morris back as chairman? I don't think he was any good for us. I just had my ears open when a close relative of his was broadcasting their dirty linen in the Wheatsheaf a few weeks ago.
So if you think DM leaving the club is a good thing - however that happened - why are you arguing about it?
As far as I can see it is being argumentative for the sake of it, then not respecting other people's postings - if anyone is acting like W***y then it seems to me its you.
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Its been a long time, Wilts. Surely you can say the name now.
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SM will be the next Wroey and this forum will end up like YAURS.
And where did I say I wanted Dave Morris back as chairman? I don't think he was any good for us. I just had my ears open when a close relative of his was broadcasting their dirty linen in the Wheatsheaf a few weeks ago.
Well if you didn't mind Dave Morris supposedly being 'forced out' then why did you take it upon yourself to complain about it in the first place? Oh yes, you were arguing for the sake of arguing.
I honestly think some people could find an argument with a brick wall.
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Where have I complained about it? I just listened to what a relative of Dave Morris was saying in the pub. My ears only pricked up when I heard them mention Doncaster Rovers followed by a few choice words.
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2 good directors are better than 4 bad ones. It's not an issue t all.
Exactly. A lot of studies advocate as minimal amount as possible. But I think a football club is different to a plc in that it doesn't need a huge amount of directors, ned's, audit committees etc. A lot of that is pointless beauracray. Besides if you wanted to get into real terminology what is a board bound to do? The answer shows how big a difference there is in this case.
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Leaving the Rovers Board:
http://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/article/peter-hepworth-leaves-board-379460.aspx (http://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/article/peter-hepworth-leaves-board-379460.aspx)
By my reckoning that means the only directors are JR and Stuart Highfield. Does this constitute a quorum?
There.
Are we hoping to bring in two or three more directors now Copps has gone?
Oh my aching sides, your sarcastic wit has me rolling in the aisles.
But I will ask the question again, where does it say we have only two Directors?
I'll answer that when you answer the question about Coppinger's two or three replacements.
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Leaving the Rovers Board:
http://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/article/peter-hepworth-leaves-board-379460.aspx (http://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/article/peter-hepworth-leaves-board-379460.aspx)
By my reckoning that means the only directors are JR and Stuart Highfield. Does this constitute a quorum?
There.
Are we hoping to bring in two or three more directors now Copps has gone?
Oh my aching sides, your sarcastic wit has me rolling in the aisles.
But I will ask the question again, where does it say we have only two Directors?
I'll answer that when you answer the question about Coppinger's two or three replacements.
Ahh, you've realised you got it wrong so know you want to change the subject, and I already answered that question last week, so come on Mr Frost stick to the topic.
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Leaving the Rovers Board:
http://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/article/peter-hepworth-leaves-board-379460.aspx (http://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/article/peter-hepworth-leaves-board-379460.aspx)
By my reckoning that means the only directors are JR and Stuart Highfield. Does this constitute a quorum?
There.
Are we hoping to bring in two or three more directors now Copps has gone?
Oh my aching sides, your sarcastic wit has me rolling in the aisles.
But I will ask the question again, where does it say we have only two Directors?
I'll answer that when you answer the question about Coppinger's two or three replacements.
Ahh, you've realised you got it wrong so know you want to change the subject, and I already answered that question last week, so come on Mr Frost stick to the topic.
You can clearly see the post I made reference to regarding two directors.
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Leaving the Rovers Board:
http://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/article/peter-hepworth-leaves-board-379460.aspx (http://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/article/peter-hepworth-leaves-board-379460.aspx)
By my reckoning that means the only directors are JR and Stuart Highfield. Does this constitute a quorum?
There.
Are we hoping to bring in two or three more directors now Copps has gone?
Oh my aching sides, your sarcastic wit has me rolling in the aisles.
But I will ask the question again, where does it say we have only two Directors?
I'll answer that when you answer the question about Coppinger's two or three replacements.
Ahh, you've realised you got it wrong so know you want to change the subject, and I already answered that question last week, so come on Mr Frost stick to the topic.
You can clearly see the post I made reference to regarding two directors.
Yes I did, but if you read it there is no mention of just having two directors. As I said before, and now I'm repeating myself again, where does it say we only have two directors? You made the comment, now support your statement!
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my thoughts exactly. Why not invite Bates or Mandaric, true and loyal Rovers fans to be joint chairmen?
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I think SM and Frosty are at cross-purposes. The DROS article did not say how many people are now on the Board. I said that "by my reckoning" that there were now only two directors- JR and Stuart Highfield. Mr Croft then pointed out that Gavin Baldwin is also a director, so there are three directors.
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But the argument is slightly irrelevant anyway, the club now have owners meetings rather than board meetings. Its been JR's intention to slim the board down for some time and when TB and DW resigned from the board it had no legal or operational influence. They still continued to meet, and still do, to make the decisions they need to for the club to operate efficiently.
People tend to use some of this detail to criticise the club over and over, and its that that disturbs me more. As an elected FSF official its my duty, and my colleagues, to bring owners to book when they make the decisions that have negative impact on club ownership and directly or indirectly affecting the supporters. I discuss this endlessly with several clubs, but specifically with ours, and I can honestly say that this club is extremely well run, and its run by a fan of the club. In some ways we already have fan ownership because JR is that fan. I will defend them when necessary for that reason.
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Do directors get paid?
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Do directors get paid?
Generally speaking, there's no obligation to pay directors. Some do get paid, some don't.
In Rovers' last accounts a total of £53k was paid to directors (you have to disclose this figure by law). I would guess that this related to Dave Morris as he was probably the only director who was also an employee, although £53k seems low for the job he was doing (the level of the position, not his actual performance!)