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Quote from: ZiggerZagger on December 04, 2019, 11:44:16 pmD-Day for Darren on Saturday, never heard so many mutterings about a very poor performance, or words of that effect. If they score first on Saturday, it will light the paper, get ready because, in my eyes, there was something a miss tonight. Certain players didn't seem to be playing fully, more of a half hearted type of performance. Something behind the scenes isn't right, and tonight, it showed. Need a plan B.No we don’t need a plan B. What we need is to get back to basics and play the formation and team which outplayed, Fleetwood, Lincoln, ipswich, (Drew) Rotherham, Peterborough, Portsmouth (even though we lost that one) Bristol Rovers & Southend. Unfortunately Ennis is injured so we have a striker problem.
D-Day for Darren on Saturday, never heard so many mutterings about a very poor performance, or words of that effect. If they score first on Saturday, it will light the paper, get ready because, in my eyes, there was something a miss tonight. Certain players didn't seem to be playing fully, more of a half hearted type of performance. Something behind the scenes isn't right, and tonight, it showed. Need a plan B.
Quote from: drfchound on December 04, 2019, 10:50:32 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on December 04, 2019, 10:45:18 pmThe best 3 players for us tonight were Halliday, Amos & Blaney. 2 of them went off at half time Halliday & Blaney. So Amos rightly got m.o.m. As he got a full game. That was desperately poor tonight. Leicester were sharper, and their movement was far superior to ours. We were far too static. Based on that Thomas and Bingham are going backwards and neither looked like they would score if they stayed out there all night. Partly not their fault as no service but they just were not quick enough in thought or movement to get on the end of anything that came into the box. Greaves does not look any where near ready for 1st team football and Sheaf was badly missed in midfield. Alfie May well don’t know what he was doing but every time he gets the ball he turns backwards and plays a negative ball. Never seems prepared to run at any one and try to go past his opponent. Probably because he is not capable. Simply put not good enough. Lawlor has gone backward in all departments and is completely lacking in confidence.This team tonight admittedly not our strongest starting 11 looked a pale shadow of the team that took teams apart earlier in the season and only 6 weeks ago at Southend. I don’t know what has gone wrong but it needs addressing quickly or our season is going to disintegrate.It is a very long time since i have been so negative on a Rovers performance. If we were worse than that on Sunday it must have been bad. Very bad.Saturday is massive. We need a win, any old scrappy win. Winning breeds confidence and there doesn’t seem to be much of that just at the moment.Paul, the team tonight would look like a pale shadow of the one that battered Southend though wouldn’t it.Because it was nothing like the same eleven out there.No it wasn’t the same team that started at Southend but it was strong enough to have done much much better than that performance i saw tonight.Halliday, Daniels, Anderson, Whiteman, Taylor & Thomas all started at Southend. Wright, Gomes & May were on the bench at Southend and all featured tonight. Wright & May started and Gomes came on as a sub.They were a pale shadow of 6 weeks ago, all of them. Deing, James, Sheaf, Copps and Sadlier were the only ones not to get on the pitch tonight who played a at Southend.
Quote from: Campsall rover on December 04, 2019, 10:45:18 pmThe best 3 players for us tonight were Halliday, Amos & Blaney. 2 of them went off at half time Halliday & Blaney. So Amos rightly got m.o.m. As he got a full game. That was desperately poor tonight. Leicester were sharper, and their movement was far superior to ours. We were far too static. Based on that Thomas and Bingham are going backwards and neither looked like they would score if they stayed out there all night. Partly not their fault as no service but they just were not quick enough in thought or movement to get on the end of anything that came into the box. Greaves does not look any where near ready for 1st team football and Sheaf was badly missed in midfield. Alfie May well don’t know what he was doing but every time he gets the ball he turns backwards and plays a negative ball. Never seems prepared to run at any one and try to go past his opponent. Probably because he is not capable. Simply put not good enough. Lawlor has gone backward in all departments and is completely lacking in confidence.This team tonight admittedly not our strongest starting 11 looked a pale shadow of the team that took teams apart earlier in the season and only 6 weeks ago at Southend. I don’t know what has gone wrong but it needs addressing quickly or our season is going to disintegrate.It is a very long time since i have been so negative on a Rovers performance. If we were worse than that on Sunday it must have been bad. Very bad.Saturday is massive. We need a win, any old scrappy win. Winning breeds confidence and there doesn’t seem to be much of that just at the moment.Paul, the team tonight would look like a pale shadow of the one that battered Southend though wouldn’t it.Because it was nothing like the same eleven out there.
The best 3 players for us tonight were Halliday, Amos & Blaney. 2 of them went off at half time Halliday & Blaney. So Amos rightly got m.o.m. As he got a full game. That was desperately poor tonight. Leicester were sharper, and their movement was far superior to ours. We were far too static. Based on that Thomas and Bingham are going backwards and neither looked like they would score if they stayed out there all night. Partly not their fault as no service but they just were not quick enough in thought or movement to get on the end of anything that came into the box. Greaves does not look any where near ready for 1st team football and Sheaf was badly missed in midfield. Alfie May well don’t know what he was doing but every time he gets the ball he turns backwards and plays a negative ball. Never seems prepared to run at any one and try to go past his opponent. Probably because he is not capable. Simply put not good enough. Lawlor has gone backward in all departments and is completely lacking in confidence.This team tonight admittedly not our strongest starting 11 looked a pale shadow of the team that took teams apart earlier in the season and only 6 weeks ago at Southend. I don’t know what has gone wrong but it needs addressing quickly or our season is going to disintegrate.It is a very long time since i have been so negative on a Rovers performance. If we were worse than that on Sunday it must have been bad. Very bad.Saturday is massive. We need a win, any old scrappy win. Winning breeds confidence and there doesn’t seem to be much of that just at the moment.
Please. D-Day for Darren? Panic stations yet again from some corners of the fanbase any time we lose or are on a bit of a bad run.I'm not excusing back-to-back 3-0 defeats. But anyone talking about the manager not being up to it or stoking conspiracy theories is being ridiculous in my opinion.We need a run of league games with a consistent XI to get going again and thankfully we now have that opportunity, December weather permitting. One or two wins in the next couple of weeks and it all looks bright again.Clearly we need better strength in depth and I would hope Moore and Baldwin are aware of that. I expect they are and that, now Adam Henshall has arrived, they are all working hard to identify players who will improve this squad in January.Campsall - I understand the frustration tonight but it hasn't been that long since you, me and everyone else had good reason to be very negative about Rovers performances. It's only been three years since the shambolic relegation under Ferguson and, really, only 18 months since some of the most tepid performances in recent memory from his Rovers side too.
Is Hasani injured does anybody know?? When he had those couple of games last season and then we had such a poor recruitment in the summer I expected him to push through this season?? Yet he's not been anywhere near the team..
Quote from: Campsall rover on December 04, 2019, 11:50:24 pmQuote from: ZiggerZagger on December 04, 2019, 11:44:16 pmD-Day for Darren on Saturday, never heard so many mutterings about a very poor performance, or words of that effect. If they score first on Saturday, it will light the paper, get ready because, in my eyes, there was something a miss tonight. Certain players didn't seem to be playing fully, more of a half hearted type of performance. Something behind the scenes isn't right, and tonight, it showed. Need a plan B.No we don’t need a plan B. What we need is to get back to basics and play the formation and team which outplayed, Fleetwood, Lincoln, ipswich, (Drew) Rotherham, Peterborough, Portsmouth (even though we lost that one) Bristol Rovers & Southend. Unfortunately Ennis is injured so we have a striker problem. We have a striker problem? So Thomas and Bingham aren’t up to it?
Quote from: Campsall rover on December 04, 2019, 11:26:40 pmQuote from: drfchound on December 04, 2019, 10:50:32 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on December 04, 2019, 10:45:18 pmThe best 3 players for us tonight were Halliday, Amos & Blaney. 2 of them went off at half time Halliday & Blaney. So Amos rightly got m.o.m. As he got a full game. That was desperately poor tonight. Leicester were sharper, and their movement was far superior to ours. We were far too static. Based on that Thomas and Bingham are going backwards and neither looked like they would score if they stayed out there all night. Partly not their fault as no service but they just were not quick enough in thought or movement to get on the end of anything that came into the box. Greaves does not look any where near ready for 1st team football and Sheaf was badly missed in midfield. Alfie May well don’t know what he was doing but every time he gets the ball he turns backwards and plays a negative ball. Never seems prepared to run at any one and try to go past his opponent. Probably because he is not capable. Simply put not good enough. Lawlor has gone backward in all departments and is completely lacking in confidence.This team tonight admittedly not our strongest starting 11 looked a pale shadow of the team that took teams apart earlier in the season and only 6 weeks ago at Southend. I don’t know what has gone wrong but it needs addressing quickly or our season is going to disintegrate.It is a very long time since i have been so negative on a Rovers performance. If we were worse than that on Sunday it must have been bad. Very bad.Saturday is massive. We need a win, any old scrappy win. Winning breeds confidence and there doesn’t seem to be much of that just at the moment.Paul, the team tonight would look like a pale shadow of the one that battered Southend though wouldn’t it.Because it was nothing like the same eleven out there.No it wasn’t the same team that started at Southend but it was strong enough to have done much much better than that performance i saw tonight.Halliday, Daniels, Anderson, Whiteman, Taylor & Thomas all started at Southend. Wright, Gomes & May were on the bench at Southend and all featured tonight. Wright & May started and Gomes came on as a sub.They were a pale shadow of 6 weeks ago, all of them. Deing, James, Sheaf, Copps and Sadlier were the only ones not to get on the pitch tonight who played a at Southend.So five players (half a team) didn’t get on the pitch at all and three of the Southend subs played SOME part against Leicester.Eight players in all then.
Until Ennis is back fit, I think Idd play Sadlier up front... I prefer him out wide but he’s a much better option than Thomas or Bingham IMO
Quote from: drfchound on December 05, 2019, 08:52:59 amQuote from: Campsall rover on December 04, 2019, 11:26:40 pmQuote from: drfchound on December 04, 2019, 10:50:32 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on December 04, 2019, 10:45:18 pmThe best 3 players for us tonight were Halliday, Amos & Blaney. 2 of them went off at half time Halliday & Blaney. So Amos rightly got m.o.m. As he got a full game. That was desperately poor tonight. Leicester were sharper, and their movement was far superior to ours. We were far too static. Based on that Thomas and Bingham are going backwards and neither looked like they would score if they stayed out there all night. Partly not their fault as no service but they just were not quick enough in thought or movement to get on the end of anything that came into the box. Greaves does not look any where near ready for 1st team football and Sheaf was badly missed in midfield. Alfie May well don’t know what he was doing but every time he gets the ball he turns backwards and plays a negative ball. Never seems prepared to run at any one and try to go past his opponent. Probably because he is not capable. Simply put not good enough. Lawlor has gone backward in all departments and is completely lacking in confidence.This team tonight admittedly not our strongest starting 11 looked a pale shadow of the team that took teams apart earlier in the season and only 6 weeks ago at Southend. I don’t know what has gone wrong but it needs addressing quickly or our season is going to disintegrate.It is a very long time since i have been so negative on a Rovers performance. If we were worse than that on Sunday it must have been bad. Very bad.Saturday is massive. We need a win, any old scrappy win. Winning breeds confidence and there doesn’t seem to be much of that just at the moment.Paul, the team tonight would look like a pale shadow of the one that battered Southend though wouldn’t it.Because it was nothing like the same eleven out there.No it wasn’t the same team that started at Southend but it was strong enough to have done much much better than that performance i saw tonight.Halliday, Daniels, Anderson, Whiteman, Taylor & Thomas all started at Southend. Wright, Gomes & May were on the bench at Southend and all featured tonight. Wright & May started and Gomes came on as a sub.They were a pale shadow of 6 weeks ago, all of them. Deing, James, Sheaf, Copps and Sadlier were the only ones not to get on the pitch tonight who played a at Southend.So five players (half a team) didn’t get on the pitch at all and three of the Southend subs played SOME part against Leicester.Eight players in all then.Correct. There was enough talent on the pitch last night to have beaten that U21 team. Yes they were talented but we would have won that if we had turned up.
The two big performances on Saturday have to come from Wright and Thomas. Wright needs to concentrate more and on Saturday lead by example because John is raw and needs guiding. Thomas should start. He is given where we are a better one up than Bingham. Rest of team picks itself but Joe needs to step right up and lead that defence.
/quote]Correct. There was enough talent on the pitch last night to have beaten that U21 team. Yes they were talented but we would have won that if we had turned up.
I must have been sat in a funny part of the ground last night, Because people around me and myself thought that Thomas looked much improved, has dropped some weight off and is much sharper and fitter. It seems that people have made their mind up about him because of the club he came from and made their mind up about him before even seeing him play, mostly the same people who have championed Alfie May for the level he played at coming to us, who is, and has never been good enough to play at this level and did absolutely nothing in that game, but again someone said he tried in fairness to him, well dipsy doo. Trying to ship dead wood out in January will be just as important as bringing in new players, the good news is a scout from Hartlepool was at the game last night, but it has never been plainer that our fringe players are miles away from the standard needed, and that our past managers left us with a number they signed extensions to contracts that are now lying heavily around the present manager's and the clubs neck, and in McCanns case alienated some of our better player who promptly left. We have a small number of players who are of league one standard who can compete week in week out if fit at that level and can do well. More than one or two missing in certain positions and we have no cover good enough. Central defence it is OK, goalkeeper I would promote Jones, Horton and Amos are promising, Mid field we need a good one in Gomes is a cover player who may improve, Greaves promising with a way to go, but needs playing time at a good level. Up front we need someone in, either both Ennis and Sterling plus Thomas as an alternative, or someone else in. wide players we need Blair fit.
Quote from: selby on December 05, 2019, 09:09:54 am I must have been sat in a funny part of the ground last night, Because people around me and myself thought that Thomas looked much improved, has dropped some weight off and is much sharper and fitter. It seems that people have made their mind up about him because of the club he came from and made their mind up about him before even seeing him play, mostly the same people who have championed Alfie May for the level he played at coming to us, who is, and has never been good enough to play at this level and did absolutely nothing in that game, but again someone said he tried in fairness to him, well dipsy doo. Trying to ship dead wood out in January will be just as important as bringing in new players, the good news is a scout from Hartlepool was at the game last night, but it has never been plainer that our fringe players are miles away from the standard needed, and that our past managers left us with a number they signed extensions to contracts that are now lying heavily around the present manager's and the clubs neck, and in McCanns case alienated some of our better player who promptly left. We have a small number of players who are of league one standard who can compete week in week out if fit at that level and can do well. More than one or two missing in certain positions and we have no cover good enough. Central defence it is OK, goalkeeper I would promote Jones, Horton and Amos are promising, Mid field we need a good one in Gomes is a cover player who may improve, Greaves promising with a way to go, but needs playing time at a good level. Up front we need someone in, either both Ennis and Sterling plus Thomas as an alternative, or someone else in. wide players we need Blair fit.This exactly. Thomas is looking better and better each game for me. He’s big and strong and wins an awful lot of his headers. That Leicester CB was massive, bigger than Thomas, and he was still loosing 70-80% of the headers when Thomas was competing with him.Thomas won us a penalty - the ref just missed it. He was bringing players into the game and being a general nuisance all night.Bingham might not deserve a new contract but Thomas certainly does for me.
Tranmere Rovers beat Man U. U21’s last night. I am pretty sure (although we have not played them yet) we are a better team than they are, based on number of points we have from less games played.So why were they capable of winning with a weakened team last night and we managed to get mullered by another U21 side. We need to take Cup matches much more seriously than apparently we are doing.
Quote from: Campsall rover on December 05, 2019, 09:39:24 amTranmere Rovers beat Man U. U21’s last night. I am pretty sure (although we have not played them yet) we are a better team than they are, based on number of points we have from less games played.So why were they capable of winning with a weakened team last night and we managed to get mullered by another U21 side. We need to take Cup matches much more seriously than apparently we are doing.Salford beat Wolves U21s the night before as well