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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: redbrez on February 18, 2015, 02:26:45 pm
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Who do you think will be the teams most likely to challenge us?
Oldham? Think they will be there about, maybe not quite strong enough
Chesterfield? Now they have lost Doyle, I think they will drop a bit.
Bradford? One of our main threats , let's hope the fa cup distracts them.
Gillingham, could be a dark horse?
Hate to say it but I think sKitson horpe, could be our main threat?
And the only team above us I think might drop of is Swindon, but should have enough points to stay In the play off places .
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I think it'll be MK Dons not Swindon who will drop off. As for sixth there are a lot of team challenging but the ones we should be keeping an eye on for me are Peterborough and Bradford. A leyton Orient win tonight would be useful.
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Radio Sheffield keep talking up Sheff Utds automatic promotion push, we are 3 points behind them, on that basis we must be in with a shout of at least the play offs
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It's ours to lose now. We have the squad, no excuses. Chesterfield were the threat until Doyle went.
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Gillingham are the team at the moment - unbeaten in last 6 and on a right roll since Justin Edinburgh was appointed manager. I think they are our (and everyone else'a) main threat and we go there soon!
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Radio Sheffield keep talking up Sheff Utds automatic promotion push, we are 3 points behind them, on that basis we must be in with a shout of at least the play offs
It will be a big ask, but look at Bournemouth when we went up last season. There's no reason why we cant win these next three games coming up
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Both us and Sheff United have strengthened well. Brayford and Done were great signings for them. We are improving at the right time and there is probably more to come. We can even cover pretty much like for like in most positions in the case of injury. I still think we need to work on a plan to start better in the home games but the signs are positive.
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I would go with Scunthorpe and Bradford as main rivals
However the trouble is if any one of the 12 teams from 7th down to 18th puts together a great run then they could take 6th place.
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Scunthorpe are flying !
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Radio Sheffield keep talking up Sheff Utds automatic promotion push, we are 3 points behind them, on that basis we must be in with a shout of at least the play offs
Ah but don't forget, Dee Dah keeps telling us enough so we shouldn't, Blades have 2 games in hand and will be only 6 points behind the top 2. Big assumption that they will win them.
Another factor to remember according to the delightful Mr Clough who is rapidly overtaking Mr Evans in my loathing of, is that they have played every other team above them home and away so have only the TLO of us and the other also rans to play
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So what about 5th. As much chance as sixth
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Gillingham are the team at the moment - unbeaten in last 6 and on a right roll since Justin Edinburgh was appointed manager. I think they are our (and everyone else'a) main threat and we go there soon!
Crewe were on aright roll aswell until they met us last night!! If we play to our full potential from now till the end of the season I see know reason why we shouldn't end up in at least a Play Off place.
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And we are still the only team in the division with only one defeat in the last 10 league games.
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Gillingham will finish just below play offs, squad not strong enough
Scunthorpe are a danger with the firepower they have, but won't quite make it
Chesterfield will be just short of play offs
Oldham will drop out squad not good enough
Bradford will miss out
Sheff utd will make it in 5th
Preston 4th
MK Dons will win it
We will be third, Bristol City second, Swindon will drop but just hold on to play offs.
1.MK Dons
2.Bristol City
3.Doncaster
4.Preston
5.Sheff utd
6.Swindon
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Third? Unbelievable optimism, good to see!
I think we are all competing for 5th at best to be honest, the top few sides are a different class of team this season.
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I can see where you are coming from with that, Alias. However, on our day we have the beating of everyone in this league. Confidence is the key. Keep this run going and we can ride this wave all the way. The key test will be how we react to our next defeat (whenever that may be).
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We are very very unlikely to finish above Sheff United.
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I agree Gaz. It's 6th place for me. Worried about Bradford, not sure why Sammy feels they will miss out. They just keep winning, whether it's the cup or the league.
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Based on the last 10 games, we are very much in the hunt for 2-6th. At the moment its looking like its going to be very tight with Bradford and Scunthorpe just below the play offs.
If the form of last 10 games continue then the final table will look like this:
(http://doncasterroverssupportersgroup.org/forum/general-doncaster-rovers-chat/form-table/?action=dlattach;attach=72;image)
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Makes for ominous
Based on the last 10 games, we are very much in the hunt for 2-6th. At the moment its looking like its going to be very tight with Bradford and Scunthorpe just below the play offs.
If the form of last 10 games continue then the final table will look like this:
(http://doncasterroverssupportersgroup.org/forum/general-doncaster-rovers-chat/form-table/?action=dlattach;attach=72;image)
Hmm, makes for ominous viewing.
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Forget top 2, we would need to win maybe 14 out of 16 games - possible but very unlikely.
Let the top 3 or 4 stay there, along the way beating our rivals for the play offs - for example Preston are at home to Scunthorpe on Saturday. A Preston win helps us most if our aim is for the play offs?
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Don't forget that we have experience of being around the top and under pressure at the business end of the season, should reduce the negativity of squeaky bum time. At least one of the other top 6 sides will bottle it. I fancy a trip to Wembley where we come from 2 behind to beat the Blunts 3-2 in the 8th minute of injury time
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We are now where we are supposed to be, in relation to our reported budget levels. I believe we will be competing to the end of the season, wherever we finish between 3rd and 11th?
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Based on the last 10 games, we are very much in the hunt for 2-6th. At the moment its looking like its going to be very tight with Bradford and Scunthorpe just below the play offs.
If the form of last 10 games continue then the final table will look like this:
(http://doncasterroverssupportersgroup.org/forum/general-doncaster-rovers-chat/form-table/?action=dlattach;attach=72;image)
I only see a blank square
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And we are still the only team in the division with only one defeat in the last 10 league games.
funny you said that just watched the rovers highlights of the yeovil game and they said 1 in 10 so according to my abacus it's now 1 in 11 and counting
just noticed yeovil have resigned on loan the worst player ever to "play" for rovers webster on loan from millwall that's another loan defender added pdq -- rovers were lucky they aren't playing them this saturday with their strengthened side -- so yeovil are going to pick up and move away from the bottom (AND TAKE POINTS OFF THE UPPER ECHELON TEAMS) just like crewe did (move away from the bottom)
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I only see a blank square, too
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Attached the image for those who can't see it. Nothing special mind.
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:crying:just checked yeovils next few fixtures
Yeovil v Gillingham Sat 21 Feb 15:00
Scunthorpe v Yeovil Sat 28 Feb 15:00
Yeovil v Walsall Tue 3 Mar 19:45
Yeovil v Oldham Sat 7 Mar 15:00
Yeovil v Bristol City Tue 10 Mar 19:45
so we can see why they have done the loan business (same as last season) and as you can see they can do a few favours for Rovers starting on Saturday
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And we are still the only team in the division with only one defeat in the last 10 league games.
funny you said that just watched the rovers highlights of the yeovil game and they said 1 in 10 so according to my abacus it's now 1 in 11 and counting
just noticed yeovil have resigned on loan the worst player ever to "play" for rovers webster on loan from millwall that's another loan defender added pdq -- rovers were lucky they aren't playing them this saturday with their strengthened side -- so yeovil are going to pick up and move away from the bottom (AND TAKE POINTS OFF THE UPPER ECHELON TEAMS) just like crewe did (move away from the bottom)
Yes it is one in 11, since losing at home to Gillingham. I quoted one in ten simply because the BBC website full league 1 table has a colour coded form guide for the last 10 games, and this is easy to compare team by team.
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On the basis of Mr Croft's table, I think the really important thing to note is that we are now just 1 point from safety!
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(http://www.healthcare-informatics.com/sites/healthcare-informatics.com/files/u489/GlassHalfFull_6241928_SMALLER_0.jpg)
;)
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Based on the last 10 games, we are very much in the hunt for 2-6th. At the moment its looking like its going to be very tight with Bradford and Scunthorpe just below the play offs.
If the form of last 10 games continue then the final table will look like this:
(http://doncasterroverssupportersgroup.org/forum/general-doncaster-rovers-chat/form-table/?action=dlattach;attach=72;image)
Crofty
Looks like we've been having identical thoughts.
I hadn't taken Crewe into account in my calculations - not that it makes a substantive difference.
As I said in the other thread, I'll be surprised if 75 points really does end up being the target. For it to be so requires both us and Bradfird to continue in our current automatic-promotion form for another 16-17 games. Could happen but I doubt it.
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Based on the last 10 games, we are very much in the hunt for 2-6th. At the moment its looking like its going to be very tight with Bradford and Scunthorpe just below the play offs.
If the form of last 10 games continue then the final table will look like this:
(http://doncasterroverssupportersgroup.org/forum/general-doncaster-rovers-chat/form-table/?action=dlattach;attach=72;image)
Crofty
Looks like we've been having identical thoughts.
I hadn't taken Crewe into account in my calculations - not that it makes a substantive difference.
As I said in the other thread, I'll be surprised if 75 points really does end up being the target. For it to be so requires both us and Bradfird to continue in our current automatic-promotion form for another 16-17 games. Could happen but I doubt it.
Agreed. I'd think 67-70 is looking more a realistic target for 6th place.
I equally don't think Scunthorpe will keep up their remarkable form for the rest of the season.
But in my opinion all it takes is for one of the top 5 to have a slight wobble over 4-5 games and it could blow the play offs wide open.
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I'd have agreed on the 67-70 points target a week or two back. That's looking a little bit on the low side now.
To get 70 points, we'd need W7 D4 L5 or Bradford would need W7 D5 L5.
Both of those are eminently do-able. I suspect one of those sides will do a bit better than that, and that one or two of Oldham, Gillingham or Scunny will get above 67 points.
On nothing but instinct, I'm plumping for 72 points for 6th place. Which is much closer to average than it was looking just 2 weeks ago. And which makes all my earlier posts on the topic look like ba-baa.
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BST - as you know I am number one fan of your stats
A few weeks ago, before the Walsall game, I made my own estimate of 72 points for a reasonable shout of a playoff place. We had 36 points from 26 games at that point, so I reckoned we needed 10 wins, 6 draws and 4 defeats from the remaining 20 games as follows:
Wins: Yeovil, Crewe, Colchester, Peterboro, Fleetwood Rochdale at Home and Crawley, Leyton Orient, Gillingham and Coventry Away
Draws: Walsall, Bradford, Scunthorpe Home; Port Vale, Notts Co and Sheff Utd Away
Defeats: Bristol City and Swindon at Home; MK Dons and Preston Away
Then the idea was to track to see how we do against that plan ;)
So far we are one point down having lost to Walsall
I am certain those results will not happen like that, but for every optimistic result on that plan (Sheff Utd? Bradford? Gillingham?) there may be pessimistic ones to compensate (Port Vale? Notts Co, any of the 4 planned defeats?)
Of course 72 might not be enough, or 70 might be
FWIW a few weeks ago I was making a plan to track for 54 points to avoid relegation :chair:
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It's ours to lose now. We have the squad, no excuses. Chesterfield were the threat until Doyle went.
I'm not so sure we do.
Look at the bench on Saturday...Evina, Marosi, Wakefield, Whitehouse.
What happens if we get an injury to Butler or Keegan?
Hopefully, if that happened, we would bring someone in on loan.
We might be okay if we don't get injuries because we can field a decent starting line up.
But I'm still not so sure the squad is strong enough in depth.
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You forgot the rest of the bench, Main, Robinson and Razak. With Copps and McCullough not far off returning (and now Forrester too) we have IMHO a decent squad. Don't forget Jones won't be far off a bench place, and plenty of folks think Mandeville and McKay are ready for more first team selections.
The squad is as strong now as it has been all season. If only we could have had this squad at the start of the season - but that is another debate completely.
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Brian the Blade said a good quote about Chesterfield on radio dee Dah the other night "no Doyle, no goals, no promotion for the Spirites"
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You forgot the rest of the bench, Main, Robinson and Razak. With Copps and McCullough not far off returning (and now Forrester too) we have IMHO a decent squad. Don't forget Jones won't be far off a bench place, and plenty of folks think Mandeville and McKay are ready for more first team selections.
The squad is as strong now as it has been all season. If only we could have had this squad at the start of the season - but that is another debate completely.
IDM, I agree with your comments about if only we could have had this squad at the start of the season.
Bet Dickov does too.
But I don't think it's a balanced squad and I still think we're in trouble if Butler (especially) or Keegan are out for any length of time.
Hope I'm wrong but can't see Jones getting back to how he was, after all his setbacks.
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I'd have agreed on the 67-70 points target a week or two back. That's looking a little bit on the low side now.
To get 70 points, we'd need W7 D4 L5 or Bradford would need W7 D5 L5.
Both of those are eminently do-able. I suspect one of those sides will do a bit better than that, and that one or two of Oldham, Gillingham or Scunny will get above 67 points.
On nothing but instinct, I'm plumping for 72 points for 6th place. Which is much closer to average than it was looking just 2 weeks ago. And which makes all my earlier posts on the topic look like ba-baa.
Perhaps I'm being biased towards us seen as our ppg game ratio is currently 1.5 which would see us finish on 69.
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:crying:just checked yeovils next few fixtures
Yeovil v Gillingham Sat 21 Feb 15:00
Scunthorpe v Yeovil Sat 28 Feb 15:00
Yeovil v Walsall Tue 3 Mar 19:45
Yeovil v Oldham Sat 7 Mar 15:00
Yeovil v Bristol City Tue 10 Mar 19:45
so we can see why they have done the loan business (same as last season) and as you can see they can do a few favours for Rovers starting on Saturday
Yeovil have signed Byron Webster on loan, so that will shore the defence up a bit, they have Hayter and Ugwe up front i think they will take points from some of these.
They will lose to Gillingham
Draw with Walsall
Beat Oldham
Lose to Bristol city
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I'd have agreed on the 67-70 points target a week or two back. That's looking a little bit on the low side now.
To get 70 points, we'd need W7 D4 L5 or Bradford would need W7 D5 L5.
Both of those are eminently do-able. I suspect one of those sides will do a bit better than that, and that one or two of Oldham, Gillingham or Scunny will get above 67 points.
On nothing but instinct, I'm plumping for 72 points for 6th place. Which is much closer to average than it was looking just 2 weeks ago. And which makes all my earlier posts on the topic look like ba-baa.
Perhaps I'm being biased towards us seen as our ppg game ratio is currently 1.5 which would see us finish on 69.
Interesting how 67 turned out to be the points required for 6th. All things considered very low.
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Aye. And we still couldn't get anywhere near it.
Looking back at this thread, it's amazing how far off the mark people can be