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Quote from: SydneyRover on March 11, 2024, 08:33:00 pmNext you'll be suggesting muslims can't be gay TC, hmmmNo, I won't Syd. I'm pretty relaxed about people's sexuality to be quite honest. No Syd, it's the Quran and certain Muslim countries who deem it a sin punishable by death.
Next you'll be suggesting muslims can't be gay TC, hmmm
We didn't get very far into the "Define 'our' culture" issue, did we?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 12, 2024, 10:35:39 amWe didn't get very far into the "Define 'our' culture" issue, did we?It is quite hard to define the prevailing culture because it’s all we know, but it is there. Every country has one.We like to think of ourselves as polite and courteous with respect for things like queuing and manners for example. I’d say we tend to understate things so as not to look a “show off” and use self-deprecation a lot in humour so as to not seem to be lacking humility.I guess you could say general western values are democracy, rule of law, individual liberty and tolerance. I’d say we are one of the most tolerant societies in the world. There aren’t many others with such population diversity.It would be easier to ask the original poster and those supporting his argument how exactly immigrants *don’t* integrate to our culture or embody such values and sensibilities. I think my previous post helps to show that people generally do. I’m also not sure why “white British” was brought up.
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on March 12, 2024, 08:10:51 amSo despite 4 pages of ‘ahem’ robust debate, I’m still no clearer why London isn’t an English city anymore nor am I clear what parts of English culture people are unable to adhere to in London. Maybe some folks on here feel they can’t express their opinions clearly and honestly? Maybe they’re secretly embarrassed by them?People who are of a different culture, religion or colour to you are not the cause of your problems. They have no power or control whatsoever over you. If you are unhappy with your lot then I’d recommend looking into Parliament for the source of your unhappiness. Or the mirror. London is a great city. Go and visit it sometime and count how many Union Jacks you see compared to in Donny. You’ll be pleasantly surprised.Agreed HA, well said. I'm only an occasional visitor to London nowadays, and always as a 'tourist'. I love going there, it has so much to offer and so much to see and do. I enjoy the multicultural element of London and what that has brought to the city.I'm enjoying reading the contributions to this debate (well, most of them) so I guess I should be grateful to the OP for starting the thread, and equally grateful to him for not joining in!I'm not sure how relevant this is, and it's nothing to do specifically with London, but Mrs Pancho told me something I found interesting the other day.She works in a Nursery, looking after children aged between 2 and 4 years.The Nursery is obliged by Ofsted to encourage the children to respect and adopt what Ofsted refer to as 'British values'.These are defined as:* Democracy* The Rule of Law* Individual Liberty* Mutual respect and tolerance of those with different faiths and beliefsOfsted judge the Nursery on how well it is achieving this when they carry out audits.I'm not sure how easy it is to instil these values into a 2-year-old!In practice, my wife tends to concentrate on what I would call the 'traditional' values of good manners. sharing, not bullying, waiting your turn, being polite and kind to others etc. But I find it interesting that Ofsted have defined these values, the fact that they specifically call them 'British' values, and that they will judge the Nursery on how successfully they are being promoted to the children. Indeed, Ofsted will audit what action the Nursery will take if anyone is acting to undermine these values.
So despite 4 pages of ‘ahem’ robust debate, I’m still no clearer why London isn’t an English city anymore nor am I clear what parts of English culture people are unable to adhere to in London. Maybe some folks on here feel they can’t express their opinions clearly and honestly? Maybe they’re secretly embarrassed by them?People who are of a different culture, religion or colour to you are not the cause of your problems. They have no power or control whatsoever over you. If you are unhappy with your lot then I’d recommend looking into Parliament for the source of your unhappiness. Or the mirror. London is a great city. Go and visit it sometime and count how many Union Jacks you see compared to in Donny. You’ll be pleasantly surprised.
I remember being really proud of that famous British respect for different faiths and beliefs when we used to get called Fenian bas**rds by the Proddy kids on the way to school.
I blame the Huguenots!
I do think that we as a country are one of the most tolerant and diverse countries in the world.We shouldn’t let the minority stir up division and give us a cynical sneering attitude to all things “British”. That doesn’t help anyone either and losing touch with our values would lead to social denigration.Sorry HA I missed your post l, mine was quite similar by accident I’ve only joined in on about page 4 so I’m a bit behind!
Everyone loves us, and our hotels and the fact we are a soft touch.
Quote from: selby on March 13, 2024, 11:19:22 am Everyone loves us, and our hotels and the fact we are a soft touch.I was thinking of dropping by and claiming ₤3000 towards a trip to Africa
A lot of other forum users would chip in. Especially if there is no internet access there.
Oh dear,this thread has been hijacked into an insult Sydney thread.It's like Phienix Nights,'Send the Buggers Back'.No wonder people are prepared to accept incredibly racist comments from a Tory donor when this is the mentality of certain posters.
Who have you got in mind?
Quote from: drfchound on March 13, 2024, 07:52:39 pmWho have you got in mind?Your dear self to start,then your little clan
Quote from: Iberian Red on March 13, 2024, 08:02:54 pmQuote from: drfchound on March 13, 2024, 07:52:39 pmWho have you got in mind?Your dear self to start,then your little clanWhat evidence are you providing that I am a racist person.Who is my clan.Who has posted that they accept the Hester comments.