Trump's announced he's defunding the WHO, so he's not content with killing tens of thousands of Americans, he's making an effort to take the rest of us down too.
Every time you think you've reached the bottom of his depravity, he surprises you.You need to stand back and have a good look at yourself,you are just as bad as TRUMP you are far from impartial and in this thread you have on two occasions tried your hardest to turn the matter into a Race issue!
CV-19 is going to kill millions in the developing world. This animal has just multiplied that by defunding the one global organisation that is intended to coordinate international response.
And all because its leader, a black African, had the temerity to mildly rebuke him.
What a f**king mess America has made of its concept of leading the free world.
Every time you think you've reached the bottom of his depravity, he surprises you.
CV-19 is going to kill millions in the developing world. This animal has just multiplied that by defunding the one global organisation that is intended to coordinate international response.
And all because its leader, a black African, had the temerity to mildly rebuke him.
What a f**king mess America has made of its concept of leading the free world.
I mentioned it because:
a) It's a fact and
b) Trump is a racist. Has been all his life, since he and his Dad were barring black Americans from renting their apartments in the 1970s, up to the present day when he casts racial slurs out like confetti.
It's not even up for debate, although I know you will get yourself worked up about it. I suggest you look at his rap sheet first.
-Turning away black applicants for an apartment, then accepting white applicants the same day. Except they weren't real applicants. It was a sting from the metropolitan authorities, following claims that the Trump organisation was racially discriminating. He settled out of court.
-Saying Mexicans are criminals and rapists.
-Saying Black American Congresswomen, born in the USA should "go back to where they came from", "countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe".
-Lying that he saw Muslims celebrating in New York on 9/11.
-Obsessively claiming (wrongly) that Obama was Kenyan.
-Claiming that a judge who was presiding over a fraud case against him should be recused because he was of Mexican heritage - the case had nothing to do with Mexico. And the judge was an American.
-Saying that he wouldn't get fair treatment from a Muslim American judge.
-Tweeting a picture of Hillary Clinton in front of a pile of money with a Star of David on it.
-Calling Haiti and African nations "shithole countries".
-Asking an aide of Korean heritage where she was from, and when she answered "NYC", asking her again where are "your people" from.
-Being fined $200,000 after his casino removed black table attendants and replaced them with white staff because the high rollers didn't like blacks.
-Saying "It's probably true" when asked in 1997 about explosive claims in a book about comments he was reported to have made. The alleged comments included "Black guys counting my money! I hate it"
-Refusing to denounce the KKK when pressed to do after they came out in support of him in the 2016 election. (He did denounce them a few days later, claiming he had a faulty earpiece in the earlier interview.)
I'll stop there. You get the point. Although I have little doubt that you'll ignore all of the above.
SS. In a very strong field of competition, that might be the daftest thing anyone has said in here.
There are dozens of reasons why a black person might support Trump. Maybe they don't watch the news. Maybe they think that reports of him being racist are fake news. Maybe they don't actually give a shit.
Look at that one example of what he said to the black Congresswomen. "Go back to where you came from." Specifically meaning foreign countries.
But they were born in America. He looked at them. Saw black people. And instinctively saw them as different.
Look at what he said about the judge of Mexican heritage. Paul Ryan who was the leader of the Republican party at the time called it "the very definition of racism."
Look at the sting on his apartment business.
But suit yourself. Turn a blind eye to it if you want. Claim it's all made up.
I'll calmly make my point again.
Trump has a lifelong record of belittling, judging and discriminating against people of other races, because of their race.
That is racism. Full stop. As explained to him by the head of the Republican party.
With that record, the fact that the head of the WHO who had publicly admonished Trump is a black African is absolutely germane to the fact that Trump then lashes out and defunds the WHO. Especially when you factor in the pathetic, snowflake narcissistic nature of the man, which makes him incapable of ever hearing criticism without lashing out.
The fact that he would defund the WHO at this of all moments is bestial. He is an amoral monster.
And he relies on people like you giving him a pass because he sticks it to the Libs.
By the way SS.
Your claim that only black people can truly know what racism is.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.axios.com/donald-trump-african-american-voters-poll-racist-59f7adcf-776e-4ef1-bfd6-ff3b04ded233.html
By the way SS.
Your claim that only black people can truly know what racism is.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.axios.com/donald-trump-african-american-voters-poll-racist-59f7adcf-776e-4ef1-bfd6-ff3b04ded233.html
Personally, I wouldn't believe anything the Washington Post says about Trump, but if it's right, then you've nothing to worry about. Sleepy Joe will romp home, and you'll win your bet with me.
Don't forget that bet. I said at the time that there'll only be one true winner from the US Election in November, and that'll be the Rovers foodbank.
Watch this space.
The only thing Donald Trump believes in is Donald Trump .
If playing the racist card gets him votes in the deep south then Trump will play that card .
If his putting America First gets the red knecks voting for him then so be it by withdrawing funding from WHO and NATO and b@llax to the consequences .
Trump simply plays to the voter and tells them what they want to hear which is a totally different thing to telling them what's needed to make the country successful .
If the american people put up with the kind of inequality you see over there , the healthcare system they have , the crime and murder rate then crack on because to be honest the US is pretty low on my list as a decent democratic country .
You couldn't pay me to live there .
I'll calmly make my point again.To be fair, I don't think it's just a race thing with Trump. He's like that with women, political opponents, journalists, the underprivileged, in fact anyone who doesn't inhabit his own narcissistic, monied bubble.
Trump has a lifelong record of belittling, judging and discriminating against people of other races, because of their race.
That is racism. Full stop. As explained to him by the head of the Republican party.
With that record, the fact that the head of the WHO who had publicly admonished Trump is a black African is absolutely germane to the fact that Trump then lashes out and defunds the WHO. Especially when you factor in the pathetic, snowflake narcissistic nature of the man, which makes him incapable of ever hearing criticism without lashing out.
The fact that he would defund the WHO at this of all moments is bestial. He is an amoral monster.
And he relies on people like you giving him a pass because he sticks it to the Libs.
I wonder how Trump junior would explain those lyrics away?
Can’t the rest of the world just cast America adrift, let them be the master of their own downfall and not the rest of the world downfall
You really couldn't make it up could you?!
According to a report today the States population is 330 million the equal of the Five of the biggest Eu countries. The death rate from covid 19 is double that of the States according to them.
Are they doing something right compared with Europe?
The worst of it all... he will win the next election. The democrats have put forward a candidate who literally can not string two coherent sentences together and has a trail of sexual abuse claims behind him. Said it with Hilary and I will say it with Biden.I agree. I don't see any way Trump loses, I really don't.
It truly is something to despair over.
The worst of it all... he will win the next election. The democrats have put forward a candidate who literally can not string two coherent sentences together and has a trail of sexual abuse claims behind him. Said it with Hilary and I will say it with Biden.I agree. I don't see any way Trump loses, I really don't.
It truly is something to despair over.
On a lighter (scarier?) note, in case anyone hasn't seen the Las Vegas mayor interview yet: https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1253323490356166663?s=20
sorry bst have I questioned this, I'm well aware of the unemployment in the USA?
The worst of it all... he will win the next election. The democrats have put forward a candidate who literally can not string two coherent sentences together and has a trail of sexual abuse claims behind him. Said it with Hilary and I will say it with Biden.I agree. I don't see any way Trump loses, I really don't.
It truly is something to despair over.
On a lighter (scarier?) note, in case anyone hasn't seen the Las Vegas mayor interview yet: https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1253323490356166663?s=20
BST,
All that could change shortly. Those south eastern states are colluding to ensure they can get back to work asap.
Maybe the penny will drop at some point when they start dropping like flies.
BST,
All that could change shortly. Those south eastern states are colluding to ensure they can get back to work asap.
Maybe the penny will drop at some point when they start dropping like flies.
I cannot understand what is pushing Republicans to press for a relaxation of the suppression strategy. It cannot be politically motivated. If they go back to business as usual, even at the lower end of the predictions, there will be a million deaths over the summer and the health system will cease to function. Add if the number of key workers who will be off for weeks with non-fatal doses and the carnage is barely imaginable. They'll be hounded out of office across the country in November if they allow that to happen.
So why are they driving for it? Is it just rank stupidity?
BST,
All that could change shortly. Those south eastern states are colluding to ensure they can get back to work asap.
Maybe the penny will drop at some point when they start dropping like flies.
I cannot understand what is pushing Republicans to press for a relaxation of the suppression strategy. It cannot be politically motivated. If they go back to business as usual, even at the lower end of the predictions, there will be a million deaths over the summer and the health system will cease to function. Add if the number of key workers who will be off for weeks with non-fatal doses and the carnage is barely imaginable. They'll be hounded out of office across the country in November if they allow that to happen.
So why are they driving for it? Is it just rank stupidity?
It’s America, rank stupidity is in their make up, especially the rednecks
Maybe I'm missing something about the US election, but I don't understand why people on the left think Trump is a shoo-in now Sanders has stepped down.
The Deomocrats need to win Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan or Florida plus one of those three. They are well ahead in the first three and neck and neck in Florida according to polls.
And straight Biden-vs-Trump polls have Biden well ahead nationally, and doing much, much better than Sanders did on the same polling question.
BST,
All that could change shortly. Those south eastern states are colluding to ensure they can get back to work asap.
Maybe the penny will drop at some point when they start dropping like flies.
I cannot understand what is pushing Republicans to press for a relaxation of the suppression strategy. It cannot be politically motivated. If they go back to business as usual, even at the lower end of the predictions, there will be a million deaths over the summer and the health system will cease to function. Add if the number of key workers who will be off for weeks with non-fatal doses and the carnage is barely imaginable. They'll be hounded out of office across the country in November if they allow that to happen.
So why are they driving for it? Is it just rank stupidity?
Too thought out.BST,
All that could change shortly. Those south eastern states are colluding to ensure they can get back to work asap.
Maybe the penny will drop at some point when they start dropping like flies.
I cannot understand what is pushing Republicans to press for a relaxation of the suppression strategy. It cannot be politically motivated. If they go back to business as usual, even at the lower end of the predictions, there will be a million deaths over the summer and the health system will cease to function. Add if the number of key workers who will be off for weeks with non-fatal doses and the carnage is barely imaginable. They'll be hounded out of office across the country in November if they allow that to happen.
So why are they driving for it? Is it just rank stupidity?
Or could it be something as cynical as:
Poor people with crap medical cover + greater spread of Covid-19 = bigger proportion of dead poor people = fewer Democrat voters? :silly:
If Trump does win, the Rovers foodbank gets £80 instead of £50.Absolutely SS. I think we're all praying for it now aren't we.
Silver linings and all that?
I think the American left not believing Biden can beat Trump is down to how they think he will fare in the tv debates - which are supposed to play a big part in the US elections.To be fair to Trump I don't think it'll be his decision.
Personally I would be very surprised to see the elections held this November - why would Trump hold them if he thinks he might loose and he can 'postpone' them for the pandemic. There wont be a vaccine by then.
sorry bst have I questioned this, I'm well aware of the unemployment in the USA?
Sorry Sydney. That was an answer to Selby.
At least 30 New Yorkers ingested household cleaner (and were hospitalised) after Trump told them to try it
https://twitter.com/dabeard/status/1253900585952313345
At least 30 New Yorkers ingested household cleaner (and were hospitalised) after Trump told them to try it
https://twitter.com/dabeard/status/1253900585952313345
Natural selection!
At least 30 New Yorkers ingested household cleaner (and were hospitalised) after Trump told them to try it
https://twitter.com/dabeard/status/1253900585952313345
At least 30 New Yorkers ingested household cleaner (and were hospitalised) after Trump told them to try it
https://twitter.com/dabeard/status/1253900585952313345
I wasn’t aware that Trump had told anyone to try it.
At least 30 New Yorkers ingested household cleaner (and were hospitalised) after Trump told them to try it
https://twitter.com/dabeard/status/1253900585952313345
I wasn’t aware that Trump had told anyone to try it.
Rather disingenuous.
He's the President of the USA.
The Leader of the Free World.
The LEADER. People look to leaders for leadership in crises. Especially desperate people.
The man is an utter Kitson. A moral vacuum. He doesn't give a f**k who he hurts. He's repulsive.
But no. You're right. He didn't tell anyone to do it. By his claims he was just trolling the Press.
What a decline from FDR and JFK to this waste of skin. Pathetically making up an excuse that he is trolling the Press in the middle of a catastrophe, to hide his own narcissistic f**king stupidity.
No, he seemed to be asking his scientific advisor to see if it could be done..
As if he needed to ask.!
Utter hell end.. I wouldn’t wish him on Leeds.!
At least 30 New Yorkers ingested household cleaner (and were hospitalised) after Trump told them to try it
https://twitter.com/dabeard/status/1253900585952313345
I wasn’t aware that Trump had told anyone to try it.
At least 30 New Yorkers ingested household cleaner (and were hospitalised) after Trump told them to try it
https://twitter.com/dabeard/status/1253900585952313345
I wasn’t aware that Trump had told anyone to try it.
Why do you think 30 New Yorkers did then hound?
Hound.
Give it a rest. You KNOW what Wilts is saying. It's what I expanded on last night.
Some people trust leaders.
Some people are desperate for help.
Put the two together and there will INEVITABLY be some people who take Trump's words as a green light. So he's not telling them they MUST. He's telling them they CAN. And desperate people won't see the distinction.
Having an argument over the fact that he didn't stand there and say "Thou shalt inject bleach" is puerile. Give it a rest.
At least 30 New Yorkers ingested household cleaner (and were hospitalised) after Trump told them to try it
https://twitter.com/dabeard/status/1253900585952313345
I wasn’t aware that Trump had told anyone to try it.
Why do you think 30 New Yorkers did then hound?
You had better ask them wilts.
Are you suggesting that Trump actually told them to do it.
At least 30 New Yorkers ingested household cleaner (and were hospitalised) after Trump told them to try it
https://twitter.com/dabeard/status/1253900585952313345
I wasn’t aware that Trump had told anyone to try it.
Why do you think 30 New Yorkers did then hound?
You had better ask them wilts.
Are you suggesting that Trump actually told them to do it.
Well, you appear to be suggesting that 30 individual people, independently of each other, suddenly decided to ingest something potentially lethal and that it's a complete coincidence that Trump said doing just would kill the virus in his briefing just before they all did it.
At least 30 New Yorkers ingested household cleaner (and were hospitalised) after Trump told them to try it
https://twitter.com/dabeard/status/1253900585952313345
I wasn’t aware that Trump had told anyone to try it.
Why do you think 30 New Yorkers did then hound?
You had better ask them wilts.
Are you suggesting that Trump actually told them to do it.
Well, you appear to be suggesting that 30 individual people, independently of each other, suddenly decided to ingest something potentially lethal and that it's a complete coincidence that Trump said doing just would kill the virus in his briefing just before they all did it.
Glyn, you getting involved was inevitable I suppose.
Whenever someone who isn’t onside with the Labour Party crew gets into a discussion with just one of you, the rest of the team pile in.
It happens time after time.
In response to your post though, I am suggesting f**k all.
I made one point, just one point.
There is no wonder that we see fewer and fewer people posting on this forum.
At least 30 New Yorkers ingested household cleaner (and were hospitalised) after Trump told them to try it
https://twitter.com/dabeard/status/1253900585952313345
I wasn’t aware that Trump had told anyone to try it.
Why do you think 30 New Yorkers did then hound?
You had better ask them wilts.
Are you suggesting that Trump actually told them to do it.
Well, you appear to be suggesting that 30 individual people, independently of each other, suddenly decided to ingest something potentially lethal and that it's a complete coincidence that Trump said doing just would kill the virus in his briefing just before they all did it.
Glyn, you getting involved was inevitable I suppose.
Whenever someone who isn’t onside with the Labour Party crew gets into a discussion with just one of you, the rest of the team pile in.
It happens time after time.
In response to your post though, I am suggesting f**k all.
I made one point, just one point.
There is no wonder that we see fewer and fewer people posting on this forum.
That same pile in happens with the pensioner tag team 😀
At least 30 New Yorkers ingested household cleaner (and were hospitalised) after Trump told them to try it
https://twitter.com/dabeard/status/1253900585952313345
I wasn’t aware that Trump had told anyone to try it.
Why do you think 30 New Yorkers did then hound?
You had better ask them wilts.
Are you suggesting that Trump actually told them to do it.
Well, you appear to be suggesting that 30 individual people, independently of each other, suddenly decided to ingest something potentially lethal and that it's a complete coincidence that Trump said doing just would kill the virus in his briefing just before they all did it.
Glyn, you getting involved was inevitable I suppose.
Whenever someone who isn’t onside with the Labour Party crew gets into a discussion with just one of you, the rest of the team pile in.
It happens time after time.
In response to your post though, I am suggesting f**k all.
I made one point, just one point.
There is no wonder that we see fewer and fewer people posting on this forum.
That same pile in happens with the pensioner tag team 😀
Boom, there goes another one......inevitable.
At least 30 New Yorkers ingested household cleaner (and were hospitalised) after Trump told them to try it
https://twitter.com/dabeard/status/1253900585952313345
I wasn’t aware that Trump had told anyone to try it.
Why do you think 30 New Yorkers did then hound?
You had better ask them wilts.
Are you suggesting that Trump actually told them to do it.
Well, you appear to be suggesting that 30 individual people, independently of each other, suddenly decided to ingest something potentially lethal and that it's a complete coincidence that Trump said doing just would kill the virus in his briefing just before they all did it.
Glyn, you getting involved was inevitable I suppose.
Whenever someone who isn’t onside with the Labour Party crew gets into a discussion with just one of you, the rest of the team pile in.
It happens time after time.
In response to your post though, I am suggesting f**k all.
I made one point, just one point.
There is no wonder that we see fewer and fewer people posting on this forum.
Hound.
You are doing the BB thing.
Ignoring the big picture and obsessing about linguistic and semantic detail.
But if you want to do that, here's the point. Trump did not EXPLICITLY tell people to ingest disinfectant. He did IMPLICITLY tell vulnerable, desperate people who idolise him that it is ok to do so.
At least 30 New Yorkers ingested household cleaner (and were hospitalised) after Trump told them to try it
https://twitter.com/dabeard/status/1253900585952313345
I wasn’t aware that Trump had told anyone to try it.
Why do you think 30 New Yorkers did then hound?
You had better ask them wilts.
Are you suggesting that Trump actually told them to do it.
At least 30 New Yorkers ingested household cleaner (and were hospitalised) after Trump told them to try it
https://twitter.com/dabeard/status/1253900585952313345
I wasn’t aware that Trump had told anyone to try it.
Why do you think 30 New Yorkers did then hound?
You had better ask them wilts.
Are you suggesting that Trump actually told them to do it.
Well, you appear to be suggesting that 30 individual people, independently of each other, suddenly decided to ingest something potentially lethal and that it's a complete coincidence that Trump said doing just would kill the virus in his briefing just before they all did it.
Glyn, you getting involved was inevitable I suppose.
Whenever someone who isn’t onside with the Labour Party crew gets into a discussion with just one of you, the rest of the team pile in.
It happens time after time.
In response to your post though, I am suggesting f**k all.
I made one point, just one point.
There is no wonder that we see fewer and fewer people posting on this forum.
Making just one point. Like me, you mean? I write for myself, no-one else. Do you?
At least 30 New Yorkers ingested household cleaner (and were hospitalised) after Trump told them to try it
https://twitter.com/dabeard/status/1253900585952313345
I wasn’t aware that Trump had told anyone to try it.
Why do you think 30 New Yorkers did then hound?
You had better ask them wilts.
Are you suggesting that Trump actually told them to do it.
I am asking you hound as you have commented on it. I doubt they will be well enough to ask for a while yet?
Why did 30 people in New York drink detergent?
Hound
Simple questions.
Do you think Trump was stupid and dangerous to suggest ingesting detergent would help?
Do you think there was a risk that vulnerable, desperate people might take that as a green light?
In which case, if the answers are "yes" are you really making best use of your ire having this argument?
At least 30 New Yorkers ingested household cleaner (and were hospitalised) after Trump told them to try it
https://twitter.com/dabeard/status/1253900585952313345
I wasn’t aware that Trump had told anyone to try it.
Why do you think 30 New Yorkers did then hound?
You had better ask them wilts.
Are you suggesting that Trump actually told them to do it.
Well, you appear to be suggesting that 30 individual people, independently of each other, suddenly decided to ingest something potentially lethal and that it's a complete coincidence that Trump said doing just would kill the virus in his briefing just before they all did it.
Glyn, you getting involved was inevitable I suppose.
Whenever someone who isn’t onside with the Labour Party crew gets into a discussion with just one of you, the rest of the team pile in.
It happens time after time.
In response to your post though, I am suggesting f**k all.
I made one point, just one point.
There is no wonder that we see fewer and fewer people posting on this forum.
That same pile in happens with the pensioner tag team 😀
Hound
Simple questions.
Do you think Trump was stupid and dangerous to suggest ingesting detergent would help?
Do you think there was a risk that vulnerable, desperate people might take that as a green light?
In which case, if the answers are "yes" are you really making best use of your ire having this argument?
Let’s just take this back to the basics.
Post #108....wilts clearly says that Trump TOLD the New Yorkers to take the disinfectant.
I said that he hadn’t.
The usual suspects all pile in ( funnily enough, Syderney hasn’t.....but he will be along soon I reckon).
The rest of the argument is about deflecting the actual point I made.
Anyway, I am out if it now.
The group will have to find someone else to have a go at.
At least 30 New Yorkers ingested household cleaner (and were hospitalised) after Trump told them to try it
https://twitter.com/dabeard/status/1253900585952313345
I wasn’t aware that Trump had told anyone to try it.
Why do you think 30 New Yorkers did then hound?
You had better ask them wilts.
Are you suggesting that Trump actually told them to do it.
Well, you appear to be suggesting that 30 individual people, independently of each other, suddenly decided to ingest something potentially lethal and that it's a complete coincidence that Trump said doing just would kill the virus in his briefing just before they all did it.
Glyn, you getting involved was inevitable I suppose.
Whenever someone who isn’t onside with the Labour Party crew gets into a discussion with just one of you, the rest of the team pile in.
It happens time after time.
In response to your post though, I am suggesting f**k all.
I made one point, just one point.
There is no wonder that we see fewer and fewer people posting on this forum.
Making just one point. Like me, you mean? I write for myself, no-one else. Do you?
I do, but you quickly join in with your mates.
At least 30 New Yorkers ingested household cleaner (and were hospitalised) after Trump told them to try it
https://twitter.com/dabeard/status/1253900585952313345
I wasn’t aware that Trump had told anyone to try it.
Why do you think 30 New Yorkers did then hound?
You had better ask them wilts.
Are you suggesting that Trump actually told them to do it.
Well, you appear to be suggesting that 30 individual people, independently of each other, suddenly decided to ingest something potentially lethal and that it's a complete coincidence that Trump said doing just would kill the virus in his briefing just before they all did it.
Glyn, you getting involved was inevitable I suppose.
Whenever someone who isn’t onside with the Labour Party crew gets into a discussion with just one of you, the rest of the team pile in.
It happens time after time.
In response to your post though, I am suggesting f**k all.
I made one point, just one point.
There is no wonder that we see fewer and fewer people posting on this forum.
Making just one point. Like me, you mean? I write for myself, no-one else. Do you?
I do, but you quickly join in with your mates.
I'm not 'joining in' with anybody. If I see someone spouting what I think is rubbish I'll react to it. On my own, speaking for no-one but myself. I've said all this to you before but it seems the paranoia has gripped you once again.
PS As I'm currently recovering from the virus and at the same time having to look after my missus who is worse than I am, I don't think I'm doing anything quickly. Certainly not look through threads and see who's posting in them to help me decide to 'join in' with anything. So get that through your head or I'll come and breathe on you instead.
''Trump erupts over poll slump and threatens to sue campaign manager
President blows his top in Friday argument and reportedly tells Brad Parscale ‘I’m not f**king losing to Joe Biden’ in November''
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/30/trump-brad-parscale-campaign-manager
I see he's at it again. Playing politics with the crisis, the amoral Kitson.
Here he is questioning why the Federal Govt should financially help out Democrat-run states with CV-19 bailouts.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/494807-trump-asks-why-taxpayers-should-help-bail-out-democrat-run-states
Here are the facts on the degree to which Democrat-run states subsidise the idle, feckless layabouts [1] in Republican states 365 days of the year.
https://apnews.com/2f83c72de1bd440d92cdbc0d3b6bc08c/AP-FACT-CHECK:-Blue-high-tax-states-fund-red-low-tax-states
[1] I shouldn't have to say this, but for the record, that is ironic use of right wing language for those who take out rather than put in. I don't really think they are layabouts. They just happen to have the misfortune to live in states that are run by economically illiterate Republicans.
''Trump erupts over poll slump and threatens to sue campaign manager
President blows his top in Friday argument and reportedly tells Brad Parscale ‘I’m not f**king losing to Joe Biden’ in November''
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/30/trump-brad-parscale-campaign-manager
Now there are sexual allegations being made against Sleepy Joe. Maybe they're untrue, but you know what political witch-hunts are like in the US.
What goes around comes around.
Now there are sexual allegations being made against Sleepy Joe. Maybe they're untrue, but you know what political witch-hunts are like in the US.
What goes around comes around.
Yes imagine America voting in a President who had sexual allegations hanging over them. It could never happpen...
Now there are sexual allegations being made against Sleepy Joe. Maybe they're untrue, but you know what political witch-hunts are like in the US.
What goes around comes around.
Yes imagine America voting in a President who had sexual allegations hanging over them. It could never happpen...
Dead true Wilts, but at least it puts it all on an even keel. Which is exactly my point.
Now there are sexual allegations being made against Sleepy Joe. Maybe they're untrue, but you know what political witch-hunts are like in the US.
What goes around comes around.
Yes imagine America voting in a President who had sexual allegations hanging over them. It could never happpen...
Dead true Wilts, but at least it puts it all on an even keel. Which is exactly my point.
JFK
Clinton
nah I reckon the Democrats are well ahead
Now there are sexual allegations being made against Sleepy Joe. Maybe they're untrue, but you know what political witch-hunts are like in the US.
What goes around comes around.
Yes imagine America voting in a President who had sexual allegations hanging over them. It could never happpen...
Dead true Wilts, but at least it puts it all on an even keel. Which is exactly my point.
JFK
Clinton
nah I reckon the Democrats are well ahead
Do you reckon JFK actually did give Marilyn one?
''Trump erupts over poll slump and threatens to sue campaign manager
President blows his top in Friday argument and reportedly tells Brad Parscale ‘I’m not f**king losing to Joe Biden’ in November''
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/30/trump-brad-parscale-campaign-manager
I had to read that three times.
First twice I thought Trump's campaign manager was Joe Pasquale.
That would explain a lot.
Just watching a US PBS prog on how the virus got into the US and Washington State indentified patient 1, not sure what the prog is called will post if I can find it.
Washington State had it sussed by Feb 4 and then were frustrated by you know who, it's worth a watch if you can access it.
Big news that I'd missed over the weekend.
CV-19 appears to be running amok in the White House. Trump's personal valet has tested positive, as has one of Pence's personal assistants, and Stephen Miller, a senior Trump adviser.
Beyond belief. Truly beyond f**king belief.
How in the name of God does this man hold the office that Abraham Lincoln and FDR once hold?
True. But not many of them were odds-on favourites to win a second term after four years of being monumentally shite.Beyond belief. Truly beyond f**king belief.
How in the name of God does this man hold the office that Abraham Lincoln and FDR once hold?
Don't forget that there's been some monumentally shit Presidents in history as well as the good ones. I know which pile Trump's going into though.
'onto' Glyn
I can’t do links but a friend in Australia posted an article from DT in in People Magazine 1998.
He said if he were to run he’d run as a Republican as they’re the dumbest group of voters in the country. They believe anything on on Fox News. He could lie and they’d still eat it up. He said “I bet my numbers would be terrific”.
Telling them that and he still got elected. That was probably the last time that he told the truth.
I know we are all anaesthetised to this moral black hole, but read this. All of it. This is the Leader of the Free World.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52748844
Those of you who support him because he baits the other side. Just ask yourselves which side you'd want your grandkids to believe you supported.
I know we are all anaesthetised to this moral black hole, but read this. All of it. This is the Leader of the Free World.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52748844
Those of you who support him because he baits the other side. Just ask yourselves which side you'd want your grandkids to believe you supported.
Totally agree with that BST. I certainly wouldn't want my grandkids to believe I supported a side led by someone who pervs over 14 year old girls.
It seems Sleepy Joe has now become Sleazy Joe.
I know we are all anaesthetised to this moral black hole, but read this. All of it. This is the Leader of the Free World.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52748844
Those of you who support him because he baits the other side. Just ask yourselves which side you'd want your grandkids to believe you supported.
Totally agree with that BST. I certainly wouldn't want my grandkids to believe I supported a side led by someone who pervs over 14 year old girls.
It seems Sleepy Joe has now become Sleazy Joe.
I know we are all anaesthetised to this moral black hole, but read this. All of it. This is the Leader of the Free World.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52748844
Those of you who support him because he baits the other side. Just ask yourselves which side you'd want your grandkids to believe you supported.
Totally agree with that BST. I certainly wouldn't want my grandkids to believe I supported a side led by someone who pervs over 14 year old girls.
It seems Sleepy Joe has now become Sleazy Joe.
"I’ve known Jeff (Epstein) for 15 years. Terrific guy,” he (Trump) told New York magazine in 2002. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”
Classy company you keep Steve
https://www.market**tch.com/story/party-planners-surprise-just-donald-trump-jeff-epstein-and-28-calendar-girls-2019-07-10
I know we are all anaesthetised to this moral black hole, but read this. All of it. This is the Leader of the Free World.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52748844
Those of you who support him because he baits the other side. Just ask yourselves which side you'd want your grandkids to believe you supported.
Totally agree with that BST. I certainly wouldn't want my grandkids to believe I supported a side led by someone who pervs over 14 year old girls.
It seems Sleepy Joe has now become Sleazy Joe.
And your evidence for that is?
SS.
You do realise that Biden's camo has released his engagement diary which shows he wasn't at the event where Murry claims he letched at her?
Exactly RR.
Cummings on Saturday night: "We are not going to waste our time addressing questions from campaigning newspapers".
Straight out of Trump's playbook.
Exactly RR.
Cummings on Saturday night: "We are not going to waste our time addressing questions from campaigning newspapers".
Straight out of Trump's playbook.
That might be a face-saving way out of this for DC and Boris - DC 'resigns' to go off to the US and help Trump's campaign.. :silly:
Exactly RR.
Cummings on Saturday night: "We are not going to waste our time addressing questions from campaigning newspapers".
Straight out of Trump's playbook.
That might be a face-saving way out of this for DC and Boris - DC 'resigns' to go off to the US and help Trump's campaign.. :silly:
I’m not sure Trump needs any help f**king things up 😂😂😂😂
Jesus wept, have you seen his latest line on Twitter?
"Transition to Greatness".
Like he's transubstantiating into the body of Christ.
150% proof batshit.
Trump threatening to turn the Military on their own people 😳😳😳
That kind of stuff ended well in Syria didn’t it?
i saw the report of his speech about sending the troops in to sort it out but what was the nonsense outside a church, was he holding up a bible? I couldn't hear what he was saying.
i saw the report of his speech about sending the troops in to sort it out but what was the nonsense outside a church, was he holding up a bible? I couldn't hear what he was saying.
Every time gun control measures are proposed in the US, the right loses their shit. They say they need their guns to protect themselves in case of the government turning on their citizens. Now we have the government trying to incite civil war, and the police and army being used to target and murder citizens. And those "patriots" are nowhere to be seen. Wonder why?
i saw the report of his speech about sending the troops in to sort it out but what was the nonsense outside a church, was he holding up a bible? I couldn't hear what he was saying.
(https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/565/5c8/5e4627443c3abec9eb35dfaa7cf1c3e01c-trump-with-bible-dc-protests.rsquare.w700.jpg)
Aaah just seen a tweet from Trump jnr claiming his dad is a brave man to walk down the street outside the White House to this little church not the actions of bunker man he claims. It appears that the church was being used by local clergy as an emergency eye cleaning station after protesters had been tear gassed, it then appears that the riot police went in and cleared everybody away including the clergy, by force so that Trump could be escorted surrounded by security etc to stand for a photo opportunity. The man has no morals at allI'm sure that he has as many morals as brain cells.
And I think we know where he keeps what few brain cells he has!
Did I read from a valid source? that there have been numerous payoffs to under age children used for sexual gratification of The Donald?
Imagine saying you want your grandkids to stand next to a known sexual predator just to own the lefties on an internet forum. Get help.And I think we know where he keeps what few brain cells he has!
Did I read from a valid source? that there have been numerous payoffs to under age children used for sexual gratification of The Donald?
Sorry Raven mate, there's no evidence whatsoever of that happening.
Between Trump and Biden, I know which one I'd prefer being stood next to my granddaughters, and it wouldn't be pervy old Joe.
Steve, really?
You'd prefer Trump stood next to your granddaughters.
Is this the same guy who said of Jeffrey Epstein;
"I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side"
Imagine saying you want your grandkids to stand next to a known sexual predator just to own the lefties on an internet forum. Get help.And I think we know where he keeps what few brain cells he has!
Did I read from a valid source? that there have been numerous payoffs to under age children used for sexual gratification of The Donald?
Sorry Raven mate, there's no evidence whatsoever of that happening.
Between Trump and Biden, I know which one I'd prefer being stood next to my granddaughters, and it wouldn't be pervy old Joe.
Steve, really?
You'd prefer Trump stood next to your granddaughters.
Is this the same guy who said of Jeffrey Epstein;
"I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side"
Copps, there's a massive difference between young women and young girls. There's no evidence linking Trump to young girls.
Apart from the Eva Murry allegation against Biden, just google some of the videos showing him perving over young girls. Don't have anything to eat before you do though; it's enough to make you vomit.
SS.
I suppose you never saw that video of Trump perving over his own daughter?
Steve, really?
You'd prefer Trump stood next to your granddaughters.
Is this the same guy who said of Jeffrey Epstein;
"I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side"
Copps, there's a massive difference between young women and young girls. There's no evidence linking Trump to young girls.
Apart from the Eva Murry allegation against Biden, just google some of the videos showing him perving over young girls. Don't have anything to eat before you do though; it's enough to make you vomit.
Trump was accused of raping a 13 year old 4 years ago.
Steve, really?
You'd prefer Trump stood next to your granddaughters.
Is this the same guy who said of Jeffrey Epstein;
"I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side"
Copps, there's a massive difference between young women and young girls. There's no evidence linking Trump to young girls.
Apart from the Eva Murry allegation against Biden, just google some of the videos showing him perving over young girls. Don't have anything to eat before you do though; it's enough to make you vomit.
Trump was accused of raping a 13 year old 4 years ago.
Accused by who? Evidence?
SS.
I suppose you never saw that video of Trump perving over his own daughter?
That's pathetic BST. I honestly thought you were better than that.
Steve, really?
You'd prefer Trump stood next to your granddaughters.
Is this the same guy who said of Jeffrey Epstein;
"I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side"
Copps, there's a massive difference between young women and young girls. There's no evidence linking Trump to young girls.
Just to end this with a bit of a reminder as to the semantics of my initial post. I didn't say that I'd want or be happy for Trump to be stood next to my granddaughters. I said that between him and Biden, I'd prefer it not to be Biden; the reason being that I've actually seen what Biden's like when he's stood next to young girls.
Just to end this with a bit of a reminder as to the semantics of my initial post. I didn't say that I'd want or be happy for Trump to be stood next to my granddaughters. I said that between him and Biden, I'd prefer it not to be Biden; the reason being that I've actually seen what Biden's like when he's stood next to young girls.
SS.
I suppose you never saw that video of Trump perving over his own daughter?
That's pathetic BST. I honestly thought you were better than that.
It's his own words SS.
"She has a great body. If I weren't married and...y'know...her father."
Or the one where he was asked what they had in common that they liked and he replied "I was going to say 'sex' but I guess I shouldn't in her case."
Don't go accusing me of being "pathetic" for pointing out the man's (sic) own words.
[/quoteSS.
I suppose you never saw that video of Trump perving over his own daughter?
That's pathetic BST. I honestly thought you were better than that.
It's his own words SS.
"She has a great body. If I weren't married and...y'know...her father."
Or the one where he was asked what they had in common that they liked and he replied "I was going to say 'sex' but I guess I shouldn't in her case."
Don't go accusing me of being "pathetic" for pointing out the man's (sic) own words.
SS may have been mentioned before but the incident BST is referring to is in Michael Moores Fahrenheit 11/9 film
A pandemic kills 100,000 Americans. Trump does nothing.
A depression puts 40,000,000 out of work. Trump does nothing.
Armed white nationalists shut down state legislatures. Trump does nothing.
Black people march for their freedom.
Trump launches a military occupation.
The frightening thing about Trump is that nobody knows just how far he'll go to stay in power. One thing's for sure, once he's out they will be queueing up to take him down.
The frightening thing about Trump is that nobody knows just how far he'll go to stay in power. One thing's for sure, once he's out they will be queueing up to take him down.
The frightening thing about Trump is that nobody knows just how far he'll go to stay in power. One thing's for sure, once he's out they will be queueing up to take him down.
100%
If the polls stay this strongly against him throughout the summer, I hope to f**king God there's a big bloke with morals stood close to him every time he's near the nuclear football.
The frightening thing about Trump is that nobody knows just how far he'll go to stay in power. One thing's for sure, once he's out they will be queueing up to take him down.
100%
If the polls stay this strongly against him throughout the summer, I hope to f**king God there's a big bloke with morals stood close to him every time he's near the nuclear football.
Trump's problem is that because of the virus, he can't do what every other US president usually does when they start getting stick at home: invade or bomb another country. It looks like he's trying to look like a war leader using a domestic issue instead!
The frightening thing about Trump is that nobody knows just how far he'll go to stay in power. One thing's for sure, once he's out they will be queueing up to take him down.
100%
If the polls stay this strongly against him throughout the summer, I hope to f**king God there's a big bloke with morals stood close to him every time he's near the nuclear football.
Trump's problem is that because of the virus, he can't do what every other US president usually does when they start getting stick at home: invade or bomb another country. It looks like he's trying to look like a war leader using a domestic issue instead!
I agree with your last bit there Glyn, but I still wouldn't count out Trump starting a war with Iran if he thinks his current strategy is not producing the results he wants. Incredibly dangerous times.
And by the way these protests he is stoking won't exactly improve the COVID situation either.
At least Mattis has spoken out, and hopefully a few more will follow.
The frightening thing about Trump is that nobody knows just how far he'll go to stay in power. One thing's for sure, once he's out they will be queueing up to take him down.
100%
If the polls stay this strongly against him throughout the summer, I hope to f**king God there's a big bloke with morals stood close to him every time he's near the nuclear football.
Trump's problem is that because of the virus, he can't do what every other US president usually does when they start getting stick at home: invade or bomb another country. It looks like he's trying to look like a war leader using a domestic issue instead!
I agree with your last bit there Glyn, but I still wouldn't count out Trump starting a war with Iran if he thinks his current strategy is not producing the results he wants. Incredibly dangerous times.
And by the way these protests he is stoking won't exactly improve the COVID situation either.
At least Mattis has spoken out, and hopefully a few more will follow.
More are doing Dutch.
This, for the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is both inspiring (in that the grown ups are starting to stand up to this monster) and terrifying (in that it even has to be said).
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwi0i-emnOjpAhVsREEAHRnfA2kQFjAAegQIBRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.health.mil%2FReference-Center%2FPublications%2F2020%2F06%2F02%2FCJCS-Memo-to-Joint-Force-Support-to-Civil-Authorities&usg=AOvVaw3wOThFaQcySF1U8274exba
I don't recall anything like this in my lifetime and I do wonder how close we are to the culture war turning into a genuine civil war, when the Chair of the JCS feels the need to remind senior officers of what shouldn't ever need to be said.
There's always been the fear that he would pull down the temple if he didn't get his own way.The frightening thing about Trump is that nobody knows just how far he'll go to stay in power. One thing's for sure, once he's out they will be queueing up to take him down.
100%
If the polls stay this strongly against him throughout the summer, I hope to f**king God there's a big bloke with morals stood close to him every time he's near the nuclear football.
Trump's problem is that because of the virus, he can't do what every other US president usually does when they start getting stick at home: invade or bomb another country. It looks like he's trying to look like a war leader using a domestic issue instead!
I agree with your last bit there Glyn, but I still wouldn't count out Trump starting a war with Iran if he thinks his current strategy is not producing the results he wants. Incredibly dangerous times.
And by the way these protests he is stoking won't exactly improve the COVID situation either.
At least Mattis has spoken out, and hopefully a few more will follow.
There's always been the fear that he would pull down the temple if he didn't get his own way.The frightening thing about Trump is that nobody knows just how far he'll go to stay in power. One thing's for sure, once he's out they will be queueing up to take him down.
100%
If the polls stay this strongly against him throughout the summer, I hope to f**king God there's a big bloke with morals stood close to him every time he's near the nuclear football.
Trump's problem is that because of the virus, he can't do what every other US president usually does when they start getting stick at home: invade or bomb another country. It looks like he's trying to look like a war leader using a domestic issue instead!
I agree with your last bit there Glyn, but I still wouldn't count out Trump starting a war with Iran if he thinks his current strategy is not producing the results he wants. Incredibly dangerous times.
And by the way these protests he is stoking won't exactly improve the COVID situation either.
At least Mattis has spoken out, and hopefully a few more will follow.
Starting to look like that's the way it's going.
That's a very dangerous combination being thick and racist.
This is absolutely shocking .
https://youtu.be/ZLGbBYrqpro
This is absolutely shocking .
https://youtu.be/ZLGbBYrqpro
I've not seen him before. What a fantastic communicator.
This is absolutely shocking .
https://youtu.be/ZLGbBYrqpro
I've not seen him before. What a fantastic communicator.
When trump demands to see the US figures on the virus and decllares them to be number 1 they are in fact No 1 they're at the top of the worldometer table!
https://www.theguardian.com/global/commentisfree/2020/jul/20/trump-interview-fox-news-election-polls-chances-melting-away
Just like our Government, utter contempt for truth and utter contempt for the intellect of their supporters. But, then again, if you see that behaviour and still don't condemn it, maybe you deserve to be treated with utter contempt.
The trouble is with that is there are doubtless 57% of the electorate who voted against the "sitting Party" who are absolutely seething (as I am) watching liar Johnson getting away with porkies so outrageous they literally ARE untrue and yet can do nothing about it
Eminent people take to Social media by the hour - they appear on Telly Radio and all sorts of outlets to add voice after voice of dissent. This place is littered with dissenters as are other Forums I read and what happens ? Nowt What can they / we do ? Nothing other that shut up which they to their credit will not do
Its more frustrating than almost anything I have ever lived through. Thatcher eventually went too far with the Poll Tax and the public rose but seriously what is todays equivalent that would generate or precipitate such an civil uprising - because given the stuff Liar Johnson has got away with so far I see nothing in that category coming over the hill any time soon that wont be similarly ignored
Astonishing though it may seem, Trump may not actually be the worst choice for President this Autumn.
Check out Kanye West.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/randalllane/2020/07/08/kanye-west-says-hes-done-with-trump-opens-up-about-white-house-bid-damaging-biden-and-everything-in-between/?utm_source=TWITTER&utm_medium=social&utm_content=3475373719&utm_campaign=sprinklrForbesMainTwitter#413a4ff747aa
He's gonna run America like Wakanda because he's the most powerful person in the world. Apart from all them who have been taken over by alien superpowers.
Good read that Tyke. It doesn't explain Trump winning Michigan (where one side of the fufure Mrs Wilts Rover's family hail from) but I am sure it's a true reflection of live there for that poster.
Although of course there are people like that everywhere, as I said to the future Mrs Wilts Rover one time when we were watching some prats being stupid and annoying passers-by on Bristol Harbourside.
'Yes' she said 'but in America they let people like that have guns'.
I was in small town Florida a few years ago. Flew in from Atlanta and was waiting for someone to pick me up and take me to my hotel. Stood outside the terminal. It was raining heavily.
A beautiful young woman came out if the terminal and stood a few feet from me, waiting for her own lift. We smiled and nodded.
After a couple of minutes, she looked at the skies and said, "Global warmin', huh?"
The only three words we exchanged but it spoke dozens of volumes.
On thst point I like the eay the claim World Champions in Sports that only they, with a few rubbish exveptions, play
So what happens in November if Trump loses in a tight race and simply refuses to accept the validity of the result because (he claims, despite having no evidence) there is massive voter fraud?
Glyn.
Of course it matters if he doesn't accept the result and calls on his base to back him. That is how civil wars start.
I was watching an old episode of the brilliant ‘Modern Family’ yesterday. Jay, the patriarchal member of the family, was asked why he didn’t like ‘soccer’. He said he preferred sports where ‘something happens’. He then confirmed his thoughts about nothing happening in a game because it ended 1-1.I was in small town Florida a few years ago. Flew in from Atlanta and was waiting for someone to pick me up and take me to my hotel. Stood outside the terminal. It was raining heavily.
A beautiful young woman came out if the terminal and stood a few feet from me, waiting for her own lift. We smiled and nodded.
After a couple of minutes, she looked at the skies and said, "Global warmin', huh?"
The only three words we exchanged but it spoke dozens of volumes.
Slightly different slant but I often wonder what it is about football that the Americans don't get .
It's good enough for the rest of the world because the facts are its the best sport of them all bar none .
How insular is it possible to be ? .
You may as well say oh sorry the internet isn't part of who we are and we reject it .
It also leads to the question of why that may be , US sports and franchises are phenomenal money makers for owners .
Feed them baseball , the NFL and basketball as their only real sports and you control the dollars .
You know , I know the reality is football would blow the US sports to smithereens and whats more importantly it would have them competing on a world stage and lead them to a more global world .
No the Boston Red Sox aren't World Champion's and neither are the Chicago Bears , they are the best in the US and absolutely nothing more .
I was watching an old episode of the brilliant ‘Modern Family’ yesterday. Jay, the patriarchal member of the family, was asked why he didn’t like ‘soccer’. He said he preferred sports where ‘something happens’. He then confirmed his thoughts about nothing happening in a game because it ended 1-1.I was in small town Florida a few years ago. Flew in from Atlanta and was waiting for someone to pick me up and take me to my hotel. Stood outside the terminal. It was raining heavily.
A beautiful young woman came out if the terminal and stood a few feet from me, waiting for her own lift. We smiled and nodded.
After a couple of minutes, she looked at the skies and said, "Global warmin', huh?"
The only three words we exchanged but it spoke dozens of volumes.
Slightly different slant but I often wonder what it is about football that the Americans don't get .
It's good enough for the rest of the world because the facts are its the best sport of them all bar none .
How insular is it possible to be ? .
You may as well say oh sorry the internet isn't part of who we are and we reject it .
It also leads to the question of why that may be , US sports and franchises are phenomenal money makers for owners .
Feed them baseball , the NFL and basketball as their only real sports and you control the dollars .
You know , I know the reality is football would blow the US sports to smithereens and whats more importantly it would have them competing on a world stage and lead them to a more global world .
No the Boston Red Sox aren't World Champion's and neither are the Chicago Bears , they are the best in the US and absolutely nothing more .
That’s why they don’t like ‘soccer’ - because the only thing that can ‘happen’ is for lots of goals to be scored. I think most Americans would prefer football games to consist of nothing but penalty shootouts.
Football is not 'the' sport in Oz either it probably ranks maybe third after Rl and AFL but could be lower, which I would put down to it being 'new' and has been poorly managed over the years.You forgot cricket and Pom bashing Sydney.😉
Yep, and probably because I'm not a huge fan it was quite a surprise to be on the receiving end of some of it, but only during tests between the two countries. I've been to one 1 dayer in my life, played in one match and scored 1 run, this should be on the lame to fame thread?Football is not 'the' sport in Oz either it probably ranks maybe third after Rl and AFL but could be lower, which I would put down to it being 'new' and has been poorly managed over the years.You forgot cricket and Pom bashing Sydney.😉
He went into the crowd with an assault rifle. And apparently he's the victim.He drove across state lines to walk into a crowd with an assault rifle. Doesn't get more premeditated than that.
Bad, bad times.
He went into the crowd with an assault rifle. And apparently he's the victim.He drove across state lines to walk into a crowd with an assault rifle. Doesn't get more premeditated than that.
Bad, bad times.
The Right will now condone first degree murder as long as the victim is someone they don't like. In the US, at least. Although the refugee crisis over here shows we're not too far behind.
He went into the crowd with an assault rifle. And apparently he's the victim.He drove across state lines to walk into a crowd with an assault rifle. Doesn't get more premeditated than that.
Bad, bad times.
The Right will now condone first degree murder as long as the victim is someone they don't like. In the US, at least. Although the refugee crisis over here shows we're not too far behind.
Not the best example to use to compare the UK the the US, Macho. On this score alone and with the leader of the country condoning it I would say we're light years behind, thankfully.
In your eager rush to be a clever dick Belton, you might have missed that I never mentioned the Tories. I said the Right. There are plenty of prominent figures on the right who'd condone it, including in this country. Considering we had the British Union of Fascists in London last week, I'd say it was a fair comparison.
MM
That appears to be Belton conflating the Tory party and the British Union of Fascists. I think he's gone into daft mode again.
MM
That appears to be Belton conflating the Tory party and the British Union of Fascists. I think he's gone into daft mode again.
MM
That appears to be Belton conflating the Tory party and the British Union of Fascists. I think he's gone into daft mode again.
Billy, I never mentioned, or considered fascists.
If I were you, I would be very, very careful to steer well away from any more racial implications towards me.
Who mentioned the far right?
I didn’t
Macho didn’t
Even Billy didn’t
Just you then.
Who mentioned the far right?
I didn’t
Macho didn’t
Even Billy didn’t
Just you then.
So in your world the British Union of Fascists as mentioned by Macho and then Billy in posts to which you replied are not far-right!
So err, where on the political spectrum would you place the British Union of Fascists then Belton?
Who mentioned the far right?
I didn’t
Macho didn’t
Even Billy didn’t
Just you then.
So in your world the British Union of Fascists as mentioned by Macho and then Billy in posts to which you replied are not far-right!
So err, where on the political spectrum would you place the British Union of Fascists then Belton?
Macho mentioned Fascists after my comment about the tories.I have made no comment about fascists or the far right. Ever.
Who mentioned the far right?
I didn’t
Macho didn’t
Even Billy didn’t
Just you then.
So in your world the British Union of Fascists as mentioned by Macho and then Billy in posts to which you replied are not far-right!
So err, where on the political spectrum would you place the British Union of Fascists then Belton?
And Macho made it clear in the next post that he was referring to the far-right/fascists when you decided to bring up the Tories.
I doubt anyone is playing any games with you, I certainly I am not.
If there is a problem here it is you not reading other people's posts properly - and reading into them things you think they have written as opposed to what they have written.
So what happens in November if Trump loses in a tight race and simply refuses to accept the validity of the result because (he claims, despite having no evidence) there is massive voter fraud?
Still expecting him to win
The issue is trump supporters tend to be low iq and get behind slogans rather than the actual issue.
Like the one about building a wall and making Mexico pay for it.
I just hope the anti trump voters come out and actually vote for Biden even if they don’t support him just to stop trump getting in again
The UK Times has a front page story with Trump quoted as saying it's fake news but the murdoch ownd NY Post doesn't bother referring to the story at all from what I can see.
Did I hear correctly this morning that he has done no preparation for the up coming presidential debate and will rely only on intellect?
SS Biden actually did/does suffer from a stutter
Steve - last night Trump cae out with this whilst describing Europe! Who is it exactly that is concerned about Bidens' cognative abilities?
In Europe, they live, they have forest cities, they're called forest cities. They maintain their forest, they manage their forest. I was w/ the head of a major country, it's a forest city. He said, 'Sir, we have trees that are far more - they ignite much easier than California.
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1311129668972675072
Steve - last night Trump cae out with this whilst describing Europe! Who is it exactly that is concerned about Bidens' cognative abilities?
In Europe, they live, they have forest cities, they're called forest cities. They maintain their forest, they manage their forest. I was w/ the head of a major country, it's a forest city. He said, 'Sir, we have trees that are far more - they ignite much easier than California.
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1311129668972675072
Wilts, when have I ever said that Trump is an intellectual genius?
They are both too old. If they are the best a country with a population of 250 million can produce then they have a problem.SS Biden actually did/does suffer from a stutter
He did have a stutter as a child, but overcame it, which is a credit to him.
However, the main concern now is his age, and how that affects his cognitive abilities.
I suppose you could argue that the UK's position in the EU might have been more dominant had the MEP's been selected more proportionately. There was one MEP for every 880,000 British voters, compared to one for every 70,900 Maltese. The EU average is one MEP for 486,000 voters."
They are both too old. If they are the best a country with a population of 250 million can produce then they have a problem.SS Biden actually did/does suffer from a stutter
He did have a stutter as a child, but overcame it, which is a credit to him.
However, the main concern now is his age, and how that affects his cognitive abilities.
Absolute joke. Trouble is it isn’t funny. It’s a tragedy.
They are both too old. If they are the best a country with a population of 250 million can produce then they have a problem.SS Biden actually did/does suffer from a stutter
He did have a stutter as a child, but overcame it, which is a credit to him.
However, the main concern now is his age, and how that affects his cognitive abilities.
Absolute joke. Trouble is it isn’t funny. It’s a tragedy.
They are far from the best the country can produce. Elizabeth Warren was the stand-out candidate on the Democrat side. She would have made a magnificent President. But the party was obsessed with it being a fight between two old men in Biden and Sanders.
I have to admit, I'm wracking my brains and trying to thing who there is at the top of the Republican party who combines intelligence and integrity like Warren does, and I'm drawing a blank.
I suppose you could argue that the UK's position in the EU might have been more dominant had the MEP's been selected more proportionately. There was one MEP for every 880,000 British voters, compared to one for every 70,900 Maltese. The EU average is one MEP for 486,000 voters."
If MEPs were allocated strictly by proportion, the Brexiteers would moan we'd lost out because Germany would get three times as many extra seats that the UK would.
I suppose you could argue that the UK's position in the EU might have been more dominant had the MEP's been selected more proportionately. There was one MEP for every 880,000 British voters, compared to one for every 70,900 Maltese. The EU average is one MEP for 486,000 voters."
If MEPs were allocated strictly by proportion, the Brexiteers would moan we'd lost out because Germany would get three times as many extra seats that the UK would.
Do you mean instead of losing out on seats in general?
That's the article I got my info from!
Yep and this data mining company is an enabler
''Palantir has no place at Berkeley: they help tear immigrant families apart''
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/31/palantir-berkeley-immigrant-families-apart
The endorsement we have all been waiting for:
Taliban supports Trump for President
https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1314973971583053824
Cured immune, what a man.
The danger is great as many think they have had the virus and some of his fans may think they are also immune without actually having ever being tested.
Cured immune, what a man.
The danger is great as many think they have had the virus and some of his fans may think they are also immune without actually having ever being tested.
The blokes as mad as a box of frogs I quite liked him to start with Just shows what my judgements like about the same as my Super 6 predictions :)
the Guardian is talking about a daunting lead for Biden.
I was in a shop owned by an American in Bradford on Saturday.
I felt like I was in a different universe.
He trotted out Obama was a gay Bornean Kenya, Michelle Obama was a trans and their children were adopted and provided by the CIA.
Trump was elected as he was the only honest politician and doesn't take his presidential salary just minimum expenses and gives the rest to US Army vets. All of this will come out very soon and be sure to watch out for Red October, it's coming.
I left the shop almost in a daze but how many Republicans in the US actually believe this crap. The big worry is how many carry guns and when you look at some of the private weaponry it's frightening.
He's definitely going to challenge the result when he loses. And that is when it gets scary. I expect him to lose by a long way on the Electoral College votes. There will be precious little doubt that he's really lost. But he will claim there is an issue with postal ballots. And it'll go to the Supreme Court. Where he will have packed it with Conservative Republicans once the current one is sworn in.
Dangerous possibilities there...a President who has lost, potentially being supported by the SC. With anger at breaking point in both sides of the population. I've said before, that is how civil wars start.
They're uneducated, that's the biggest issue. They believe what they're told.
There's no critical thinking with the vast majority of them.
My son lived in the US for 15 years, and we spent a lot of time over there, the viewpoints they hold, from nationalised health to communism, to guns and the IRA, and the fact that they still consider themselves to be the best nation on earth is staggering.
He's definitely going to challenge the result when he loses. And that is when it gets scary. I expect him to lose by a long way on the Electoral College votes. There will be precious little doubt that he's really lost. But he will claim there is an issue with postal ballots. And it'll go to the Supreme Court. Where he will have packed it with Conservative Republicans once the current one is sworn in.
Dangerous possibilities there...a President who has lost, potentially being supported by the SC. With anger at breaking point in both sides of the population. I've said before, that is how civil wars start.
Just in case anyone is still in any doubt about the utter inhumanity at the core of Trump's original gang, read this.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/06/us/politics/family-separation-border-immigration-jeff-sessions-rod-rosenstein.html#click=https://t.co/VaZ0RZQ6Rb
Simply sickening.
Two weeks ago the FBI foiled a far right terrorist cell who were plotting to abduct the (Democrat) Governor of Wisconsin and put her on trial for treason.
Trump has, ever since then, been screaming at his rallies that the Governor is a bad person who is governing badly.
Deliberately provoking the far right headcases for the coming violence when he loses next month.
Interesting story exploding about Sacha Baron Cohen and Trump's personal enforcer...Go on I'll stoop low and indulge, what you got, one of your usual lumps of knackers off Twitter?
Knackers is right.Interesting story exploding about Sacha Baron Cohen and Trump's personal enforcer...Go on I'll stoop low and indulge, what you got, one of your usual lumps of knackers off Twitter?
This election sums up US politics doesn't it. It's the battle to be least bad. Trump is just terrible but what does Biden stand for? He's just not as bad as Trump but doesn't have much else going for him as I can see.
This election sums up US politics doesn't it. It's the battle to be least bad. Trump is just terrible but what does Biden stand for? He's just not as bad as Trump but doesn't have much else going for him as I can see.
Im all for anyone but Trump but Biden will be almost 82 at end of term if he gets in - hes 78 20th November. Can he really be up to the rigours of that post at that age ?
This election sums up US politics doesn't it. It's the battle to be least bad. Trump is just terrible but what does Biden stand for? He's just not as bad as Trump but doesn't have much else going for him as I can see.
Im all for anyone but Trump but Biden will be almost 82 at end of term if he gets in - hes 78 20th November. Can he really be up to the rigours of that post at that age ?
This election sums up US politics doesn't it. It's the battle to be least bad. Trump is just terrible but what does Biden stand for? He's just not as bad as Trump but doesn't have much else going for him as I can see.
Unfortunately can't see America voting for a female.
Was listening to Arnold Schwarzenegger the other day when he was governor he surrounded himself with 50/50 of Dems and republicans so he could here both side of the opinion think Biden would do something similar
Im all for anyone but Trump but Biden will be almost 82 at end of term if he gets in - hes 78 20th November. Can he really be up to the rigours of that post at that age ?
Have to say, I think the Democrats missed THE star candidate in Elizabeth Warren. She would have made a superb President.
Rigours of the post !!!!! I don't think that Trump has put a lot into the post, his main rigours have neen posting on Twitter during his tenureThis election sums up US politics doesn't it. It's the battle to be least bad. Trump is just terrible but what does Biden stand for? He's just not as bad as Trump but doesn't have much else going for him as I can see.
Im all for anyone but Trump but Biden will be almost 82 at end of term if he gets in - hes 78 20th November. Can he really be up to the rigours of that post at that age ?
After Biden's poor showing last night, saying he would close down the oil industry £10 million has been bet on a trump win.
According to reports Biden was pathetic last night, not reported on BBC of course.
After Biden's poor showing last night, saying he would close down the oil industry £10 million has been bet on a trump win.
According to reports Biden was pathetic last night, not reported on BBC of course.
After Biden's poor showing last night, saying he would close down the oil industry £10 million has been bet on a trump win.
According to reports Biden was pathetic last night, not reported on BBC of course.
After Biden's poor showing last night, saying he would close down the oil industry £10 million has been bet on a trump win.
According to reports Biden was pathetic last night, not reported on BBC of course.
'According to reports'? You haven't been watching the US media then. CNN had a group of a dozen North Carolinian (swing state) undecideds. None of them said Trump won the debate and all but three of them had now decided to vote Biden based on the debate they'd just watched. Which 'reports' are you talking about or are you keeping them secret as usual?
After Biden's poor showing last night, saying he would close down the oil industry £10 million has been bet on a trump win.
According to reports Biden was pathetic last night, not reported on BBC of course.
'According to reports'? You haven't been watching the US media then. CNN had a group of a dozen North Carolinian (swing state) undecideds. None of them said Trump won the debate and all but three of them had now decided to vote Biden based on the debate they'd just watched. Which 'reports' are you talking about or are you keeping them secret as usual?
Let me guess. He got that information from Fox News Trumps pet channel.
After Biden's poor showing last night, saying he would close down the oil industry £10 million has been bet on a trump win.
According to reports Biden was pathetic last night, not reported on BBC of course.
After Biden's poor showing last night, saying he would close down the oil industry £10 million has been bet on a trump win.You obviously didn't listen to Radio 4 news at 5.00pm then Selby,
According to reports Biden was pathetic last night, not reported on BBC of course.
It will be a “relative factor” in some parts of the States..!!
Unfortunately millions of US citizens have no idea nor care less how their country and leaders are viewed elsewhere and are stuck in 19th century mentality.
Fingers crossed he gets smashed.
Marr was appalling in that interview. Worst kind of journalism. Just trying to create a scandal instead of using it to inform people.
Will America really vote in a cowardly bully like this for another 4 years?
https://blog.moneysavingexpert.com/2020/04/martin-lewis--working-from-home-due-to-coronavirus--claim-p6-wk-/?_ga=2.75919825.57767697.1603226315-1438800863.1594298240
Polls are saying he has a 1 in 8 chance. Quite astonishing that, after seeing him in action for 4 years, 40-odd% still support him. Never mind the 25,000 documented lies. The 500 kids separated from their parents at the border, put in cages and now not able to be reunited. The catastrophic dealing with COVID. The fawning to dictators and abuse at democratic allies. The Mueller report that resulted in numerous close colleagues being convicted of lying and perjury, rather than tell the truth on what they knew of Trump.
Ha! That'll teach me to post without checking the link I pasted.
This was the link I meant to post.
https://mobile.twitter.com/PoliticusSarah/status/1320519094295240712
I'd put Biden in front of Trump in any mental sharpness test you can think of!
But here's what I was worried about, and why I still think Trump will win (albeit not legitimately) - his other dodgy court pick, Brett Kavanaugh, indicates mail-in votes shouldn't be counted after election night. This means you can mail in your ballot in plenty of time, and if the state can't count it before election night, then your vote won't count. I'll be honest, I don't see how this election gets resolved peacefully, I really don't.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/26/in-wisconsin-ruling-supreme-court-foreshadows-election-night-cliffhanger-432725
I'd put Biden in front of Trump in any mental sharpness test you can think of!
But here's what I was worried about, and why I still think Trump will win (albeit not legitimately) - his other dodgy court pick, Brett Kavanaugh, indicates mail-in votes shouldn't be counted after election night. This means you can mail in your ballot in plenty of time, and if the state can't count it before election night, then your vote won't count. I'll be honest, I don't see how this election gets resolved peacefully, I really don't.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/26/in-wisconsin-ruling-supreme-court-foreshadows-election-night-cliffhanger-432725 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/26/in-wisconsin-ruling-supreme-court-foreshadows-election-night-cliffhanger-432725)
Been saying as much for a while MM. There's no way on God's earth that Trump is accepting defeat without fighting like the deranged animal he is.
Bang on Dutch. That is what is coming next week. Let's see how strong American democracy is, when he loses by 10% of the vote and refused to accept it.Wish I had that level of faith. I'm still convinced he'll suppress and tamper with the vote enough to win, and I don't know if American democracy has sufficient oversight to hold him to account for it. Biden being a fairly limp candidate doesn't help.
What is even worse in all of this is that if/when Trump loses he still remains in office for 11 weeks!!
The opinion polls would have to be out by historically unprecedented amounts for Trump to even stand a chance of winning. But I will guarantee you, there is no way he is admitting defeat on Tuesday night. This is likely to get very, very ugly.
What is even worse in all of this is that if/when Trump loses he still remains in office for 11 weeks!!
Yes its not ideal to have an outgoing President in a position to continue to "rule" and have the nuclear codes ready to deploy . I am sure there are lots of steps to keep that under control - BUT there are people pointing out that Trump can do almost anything he wants including pardoning himself
I read an article where he Tweeted he "could Pardon himself - but why would I because I have not done anything wrong". However with the legal Constitutional experts split on exactly what is and what is not possible - if he does get voted out he may well decide he MIGHT have done something wrong and do it anyway
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/12/can-trump-pardon-himself/578074/
He has claimed victory this morning.
The votes are still being counted.
Who the hell does this man think he is. USA’s 1st Dictator. Thinks he can do whatever he wants.
This man needs stopping now as he is a danger to Democracy and to the World.
I say this as someone who is no supporter of the Democrats as i don’t think Biden will be good for the American economy and that would not be good for the UK imo.
It's looking increasingly likely that Biden will win Arizona and Nevada, which will give him the 270. He might also get Georgia too, Trump's lead is shrinking at an alarming rate.
Thing is, there's a huge community in the US who only get their news from Fox and self-supporting online groups. I do think they genuinely believe that the only way Trump can lose is by the Democrats stealing the election. They simply weren't prepared for the possibility of him losing fairly. And they genuinely believe that they have a duty to protect democracy. It's very scary.
Thing is, there's a huge community in the US who only get their news from Fox and self-supporting online groups. I do think they genuinely believe that the only way Trump can lose is by the Democrats stealing the election. They simply weren't prepared for the possibility of him losing fairly. And they genuinely believe that they have a duty to protect democracy. It's very scary.
Why does this make me think of the eu referendum 🤔
Thing is, there's a huge community in the US who only get their news from Fox and self-supporting online groups. I do think they genuinely believe that the only way Trump can lose is by the Democrats stealing the election. They simply weren't prepared for the possibility of him losing fairly. And they genuinely believe that they have a duty to protect democracy. It's very scary.
Why does this make me think of the eu referendum 🤔
Dunno Ldr. I don't think anyone suggests that votes were not counted correctly in the EU Referendum, due to a plot to steal the result.
Here are some of Bannon's mates by the way. Nice bunch.
https://mobile.twitter.com/BrexitBin/status/1324705316764864513 (https://mobile.twitter.com/BrexitBin/status/1324705316764864513)
You can see the beginnings of it though. The crowd starts off booing his mention of Obama. Now, McCain had enough decency to shut it down straight away. All it took was a bloke who wasn't willing to shut those boos down, but to agitate them more.Here are some of Bannon's mates by the way. Nice bunch.
https://mobile.twitter.com/BrexitBin/status/1324705316764864513 (https://mobile.twitter.com/BrexitBin/status/1324705316764864513)
First time I've seen that Senator McCain concession speech. Wow! You could see in his face how sincerely he meant every word. 2008, my God, how rapidly a nation can toss itself into the gutter.
Interesting that it never used to happen before America elected a black President. It's like that lit a touch paper.And, of course, Trump's whole political career started as a result of pushing the racist Birther conspiracy theory. I can't remember if he started that before or after Obama made fun of him at the White House correspondents dinner. But Trump has had issues with black people for decades regardless.
After Trump's unhinged press conference last night, I watched a discussion on CNN about it. One contributor called it right. he said, look at the places that Trump is complaining about vote fraud. Detroit, Philadelphia, Atlanta. All cities where blacks are the biggest demographic group. He said it was so horrifyingly obvious what Trump was doing - playing to the racism of the rural and suburban whites - telling them that it is the black cities that have stolen their election.
That is a terrifying thing for a President of the USA to be doing.
Interesting that it never used to happen before America elected a black President. It's like that lit a touch paper.And, of course, Trump's whole political career started as a result of pushing the racist Birther conspiracy theory. I can't remember if he started that before or after Obama made fun of him at the White House correspondents dinner. But Trump has had issues with black people for decades regardless.
After Trump's unhinged press conference last night, I watched a discussion on CNN about it. One contributor called it right. he said, look at the places that Trump is complaining about vote fraud. Detroit, Philadelphia, Atlanta. All cities where blacks are the biggest demographic group. He said it was so horrifyingly obvious what Trump was doing - playing to the racism of the rural and suburban whites - telling them that it is the black cities that have stolen their election.
That is a terrifying thing for a President of the USA to be doing.
Especially of he drops his soapInteresting that it never used to happen before America elected a black President. It's like that lit a touch paper.And, of course, Trump's whole political career started as a result of pushing the racist Birther conspiracy theory. I can't remember if he started that before or after Obama made fun of him at the White House correspondents dinner. But Trump has had issues with black people for decades regardless.
After Trump's unhinged press conference last night, I watched a discussion on CNN about it. One contributor called it right. he said, look at the places that Trump is complaining about vote fraud. Detroit, Philadelphia, Atlanta. All cities where blacks are the biggest demographic group. He said it was so horrifyingly obvious what Trump was doing - playing to the racism of the rural and suburban whites - telling them that it is the black cities that have stolen their election.
That is a terrifying thing for a President of the USA to be doing.
He?s gonna cry big time if he gets a black prison guard
Macho, it was before that night at the correspondents' dinner. Obama clearly taunted Trump that night but he had it coming having peddled the birther nonsense and the claim that Obama wasn't eligible to be US President as a result.Interesting that it never used to happen before America elected a black President. It's like that lit a touch paper.And, of course, Trump's whole political career started as a result of pushing the racist Birther conspiracy theory. I can't remember if he started that before or after Obama made fun of him at the White House correspondents dinner. But Trump has had issues with black people for decades regardless.
After Trump's unhinged press conference last night, I watched a discussion on CNN about it. One contributor called it right. he said, look at the places that Trump is complaining about vote fraud. Detroit, Philadelphia, Atlanta. All cities where blacks are the biggest demographic group. He said it was so horrifyingly obvious what Trump was doing - playing to the racism of the rural and suburban whites - telling them that it is the black cities that have stolen their election.
That is a terrifying thing for a President of the USA to be doing.
That's lifebuoy.BB your getting worse. Your jokes are far too slippery for me. :chair:
Too much soft soaping and you'll get barred.😳That's lifebuoy.BB your getting worse. Your jokes are far too slippery for me. :chair:
Too much soft soaping and you'll get barred.😳That's lifebuoy.BB your getting worse. Your jokes are far too slippery for me. :chair:
Or as Popeye said. "Get that in your palm Olive".🤔
Judging by the size of him, I assume Trump is a carb'holic.
Quite remarkable if Dems flip both seats as the analysts expect. I wasn't expecting them to, but it seems the GOP politicking over the stimulus checks has done for them.
Trump supporters storming the Capitol building as the vote to confirm Biden's win commences.
Here we go...
This is Trump's last throw of the dice. Full on anarchy.
Here's a question.
Assuming the authorities put this back in the can, then what?
How do you let Trump remain in power for another day? If he's unleashed this, what else will he do if not incarcerated?
This is Trump's last throw of the dice. Full on anarchy.
Makes you wonder what we should do with Grieve, Soubry, Starmer, Thornberry and the gang who went against a democratic vote in the United Kingdom for four and a half years doesn't it.
Makes you wonder what we should do with Grieve, Soubry, Starmer, Thornberry and the gang who went against a democratic vote in the United Kingdom for four and a half years doesn't it.
Yes they definitely incited armed groups to storm Parliament. Grow the f**k up and drop the shite WUM act.
Makes you wonder what we should do with Grieve, Soubry, Starmer, Thornberry and the gang who went against a democratic vote in the United Kingdom for four and a half years doesn't it.
You may well be right Selby if we had US gun laws , even with my shocking eyesight I could have hit Thornberry's fat ass from 200 yards .
:thumbsup:
Makes you wonder what we should do with Grieve, Soubry, Starmer, Thornberry and the gang who went against a democratic vote in the United Kingdom for four and a half years doesn't it.
You may well be right Selby if we had US gun laws , even with my shocking eyesight I could have hit Thornberry's fat ass from 200 yards .
:thumbsup:
This is a disgraceful comment, particularly in the context of current events.
If that lot had been in the US and not the UK, and if the Brexiteers had reacted differently to the insults and undermining of democracy that that lot instigated and some of you lot took up the mantle of on here and social media sites, the same thing could have happened here.
You lot and that lot pushed it to the limit here in in this country many ways.
If that lot had been in the US and not the UK, and if the Brexiteers had reacted differently to the insults and undermining of democracy that that lot instigated and some of you lot took up the mantle of on here and social media sites, the same thing could have happened here.
You lot and that lot pushed it to the limit here in in this country many ways.
If that lot had been in the US and not the UK, and if the Brexiteers had reacted differently to the insults and undermining of democracy that that lot instigated and some of you lot took up the mantle of on here and social media sites, the same thing could have happened here.
You lot and that lot pushed it to the limit here in in this country many ways.
Are you including Boris in your undermining of democracy, given that he voted against Brexit numerous times?
If that lot had been in the US and not the UK, and if the Brexiteers had reacted differently to the insults and undermining of democracy that that lot instigated and some of you lot took up the mantle of on here and social media sites, the same thing could have happened here.
You lot and that lot pushed it to the limit here in in this country many ways.
Are you including Boris in your undermining of democracy, given that he voted against Brexit numerous times?
Don't forget Mogg and the rest of the ERG, Glyn. I think it's time selby took the blinkers off.
Sorry for supporting fascism, armed fascist coups and white nationalist terrorism are inexcusable whatever your political views and I see that nowFixed that for you Selby. Assume this is what you meant, otherwise it seems like you're a big fascist.
I find it quite strange reading Twitter that as many as 52% of the Electorate felt that there was "enough" fraud in the Presedential Election to have affected the result
I move on offering no other comment other than - get a different system maybe - removing the Electoral College system with a simple popular vote system.
However having said that if people think (or think after being told) that the electoral sytem is "rigged" I dont suppose however the result is arrived at will be believed
Maybe Rock Paper Scissors at the Half Time Show every 4th Superbowl ?
Trump has finally, through gritted teeth, conceded, it looks like. Probably a last ditch effort to avoid getting hoyed out by the impending impeachment proceedings.
Trump has finally, through gritted teeth, conceded, it looks like. Probably a last ditch effort to avoid getting hoyed out by the impending impeachment proceedings.
And after inciting the disorder he has now thrown them all under the bus, like he has with anyone he fell out with throughout his whole term, he’s now trying to save his own neck, a long jail term is staring at him
Apparently there is anger amongst Trump loyalists who are just realising that he marched them up the hill... And now he's threatening to prosecute them for doing just what he asked of them.
You've got to laugh.
Trump has gone on record as condemning the rioters so it would be awkward for him to now pardon them.He's also gone on record as saying he loves them and they're very special. His condemnation was piss-weak and the bare minimum that he thinks he needs to do to avoid getting dragged out of office and slung in jail.
He has already told them that they will be punished.
Trump has gone on record as condemning the rioters so it would be awkward for him to now pardon them.He's also gone on record as saying he loves them and they're very special. His condemnation was piss-weak and the bare minimum that he thinks he needs to do to avoid getting dragged out of office and slung in jail.
He has already told them that they will be punished.
Trump has gone on record as condemning the rioters so it would be awkward for him to now pardon them.
He has already told them that they will be punished.
I mean, he said it while it was happening, which is arguably worse.Trump has gone on record as condemning the rioters so it would be awkward for him to now pardon them.He's also gone on record as saying he loves them and they're very special. His condemnation was piss-weak and the bare minimum that he thinks he needs to do to avoid getting dragged out of office and slung in jail.
He has already told them that they will be punished.
Did he say that the rioters were special and that he loves them since the riots though.
I mean, he said it while it was happening, which is arguably worse.Trump has gone on record as condemning the rioters so it would be awkward for him to now pardon them.He's also gone on record as saying he loves them and they're very special. His condemnation was piss-weak and the bare minimum that he thinks he needs to do to avoid getting dragged out of office and slung in jail.
He has already told them that they will be punished.
Did he say that the rioters were special and that he loves them since the riots though.
No worries. It was in a video posted on his Twitter. I think it's one of the reason Twitter and Facebook banned him, because he was obviously inflaming the situation.I mean, he said it while it was happening, which is arguably worse.Trump has gone on record as condemning the rioters so it would be awkward for him to now pardon them.He's also gone on record as saying he loves them and they're very special. His condemnation was piss-weak and the bare minimum that he thinks he needs to do to avoid getting dragged out of office and slung in jail.
He has already told them that they will be punished.
Did he say that the rioters were special and that he loves them since the riots though.
Ok, cheers, I didn’t hear that.
No worries. It was in a video posted on his Twitter. I think it's one of the reason Twitter and Facebook banned him, because he was obviously inflaming the situation.I mean, he said it while it was happening, which is arguably worse.Trump has gone on record as condemning the rioters so it would be awkward for him to now pardon them.He's also gone on record as saying he loves them and they're very special. His condemnation was piss-weak and the bare minimum that he thinks he needs to do to avoid getting dragged out of office and slung in jail.
He has already told them that they will be punished.
Did he say that the rioters were special and that he loves them since the riots though.
Ok, cheers, I didn’t hear that.
It's only now, presumably after someone sat him down and told him that he's actually in real trouble, he's taking a different tone.
Er, maybe not Filo.
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The 75,000,000 great American Patriots who voted for me, AMERICA FIRST, and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, will have a GIANT VOICE long into the future. They will not be disrespected or treated unfairly in any way, shape or form!!!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1347569870578266115?s=20
Trump's just been permanently banned from Twitter.
Trump's just been permanently banned from Twitter.
What are you going to do with our lot such as Grieve, Starmer, Soubry, Lord Adonis etc then, what Line are you drawing for that lot a squigly one no doubt.I suppose they should be arrested too for inciting a mob to invade parliament and killing a policeman. Oops, I got it wrong Selby! Haven’t you too?
What are you going to do with our lot such as Grieve, Starmer, Soubry, Lord Adonis etc then, what Line are you drawing for that lot a squigly one no doubt.
What are you going to do with our lot such as Grieve, Starmer, Soubry, Lord Adonis etc then, what Line are you drawing for that lot a squigly one no doubt.Interesting you haven't once expressed a view on the actual fascists and white supremacists trying to overthrow the government in a violent coup. If you support these fascists, just own up and say it instead of trying to hide behind these false equivalences you keep drawing.
Mad that people keep rising to this absolute sad act whose life revolves around trying to get a bite out of strangers on the internet.You're right. It's true that he's a bad troll and normally I would ignore, but this is scary stuff he's playing about with here. He knows full well an MP was murdered in the brexit campaign by someone spouting this kind of shit and he still carries on. His side can do no wrong even when it includes fascists. Needs calling out in this case IMO.
Interesting!https://mobile.twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/1349135747132092418
The Republican party bigwigs seem to be moving towards supporting the impeachment of Trump.
Should be a non-question of course, but until now they have been cowed by him.
But tonight, the Republican Senate Leader has said Trump committed "impeachable offences". If he's on board, I assume a lot of the less batshit Republican Senators will be too.
And one of the leading Republicans in the House of Representatives has tonight said she will vote for impeachment tomorrow.
Let's see if more of them can find where they left their consciences.
We've been here before with these spineless Republicans, BST. They'll umm and ahh and say they're "concerned", but when the chips are down they back Trump every time. Call me a cynic but I don't see this going through.
And you were right MM. McConnell has block the Senate sitting to try Trump quickly. And is back pedalling on his reported comments about supporting impeachment.His reasoning is quite something though innit? Impeaching Trump for inciting insurrection might end up inciting another attempted insurrection. I wonder what other crimes he could get away with using that logic. He once famously said he could walk out on 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and not lose any votes, looks like he meant within the Republican party as well as with his voter base.
I've done it again. Assumed the Right had finally found its moral compass, and ended up looking the naive idiot.
Donny's on a charge to get a couple of things done before he leaves, (that's if he leaves of course ;) )
https://projects.propublica.org/trump-midnight-regulations/
Hound.
It says clearly, just above the bit you quoted, that these laws " may tie the hands of the incoming president" a d just below it says that 50 laws have been finalised meaning "Rule Finalized
50
Rule is in effect or set to take effect, making it harder for the next administration to undo".
Hound.
It says clearly, just above the bit you quoted, that these laws " may tie the hands of the incoming president" a d just below it says that 50 laws have been finalised meaning "Rule Finalized
50
Rule is in effect or set to take effect, making it harder for the next administration to undo".
So, harder for the next administration to undo......but not impossible to be undone.
So thanks for confirming then that the changes made this week can be undone later.
Hound.
It says clearly, just above the bit you quoted, that these laws " may tie the hands of the incoming president" a d just below it says that 50 laws have been finalised meaning "Rule Finalized
50
Rule is in effect or set to take effect, making it harder for the next administration to undo".
So, harder for the next administration to undo......but not impossible to be undone.
So thanks for confirming then that the changes made this week can be undone later.
That then eats into time and resources that could be doing other things though.
Hound.
It says clearly, just above the bit you quoted, that these laws " may tie the hands of the incoming president" a d just below it says that 50 laws have been finalised meaning "Rule Finalized
50
Rule is in effect or set to take effect, making it harder for the next administration to undo".
So, harder for the next administration to undo......but not impossible to be undone.
So thanks for confirming then that the changes made this week can be undone later.
Hound.
It says clearly, just above the bit you quoted, that these laws " may tie the hands of the incoming president" a d just below it says that 50 laws have been finalised meaning "Rule Finalized
50
Rule is in effect or set to take effect, making it harder for the next administration to undo".
So, harder for the next administration to undo......but not impossible to be undone.
So thanks for confirming then that the changes made this week can be undone later.
Won't be of much help to anyone who is executed in the mean time hound!
Hound.
It says clearly, just above the bit you quoted, that these laws " may tie the hands of the incoming president" a d just below it says that 50 laws have been finalised meaning "Rule Finalized
50
Rule is in effect or set to take effect, making it harder for the next administration to undo".
So, harder for the next administration to undo......but not impossible to be undone.
So thanks for confirming then that the changes made this week can be undone later.
Won't be of much help to anyone who is executed in the mean time hound!
Totally different scenario.
You might as well include people who get run over and killed.
Hound.
It says clearly, just above the bit you quoted, that these laws " may tie the hands of the incoming president" a d just below it says that 50 laws have been finalised meaning "Rule Finalized
50
Rule is in effect or set to take effect, making it harder for the next administration to undo".
So, harder for the next administration to undo......but not impossible to be undone.
So thanks for confirming then that the changes made this week can be undone later.
Won't be of much help to anyone who is executed in the mean time hound!
Totally different scenario.
You might as well include people who get run over and killed.
Why? The orange one hasn't passed a law about people having to be run over! Or are you just being a WUM for the sake of it?
Hound.
It says clearly, just above the bit you quoted, that these laws " may tie the hands of the incoming president" a d just below it says that 50 laws have been finalised meaning "Rule Finalized
50
Rule is in effect or set to take effect, making it harder for the next administration to undo".
So, harder for the next administration to undo......but not impossible to be undone.
So thanks for confirming then that the changes made this week can be undone later.
Won't be of much help to anyone who is executed in the mean time hound!
Totally different scenario.
You might as well include people who get run over and killed.
Why? The orange one hasn't passed a law about people having to be run over! Or are you just being a WUM for the sake of it?
I have no idea what you are getting at or why.
Hound.
It says clearly, just above the bit you quoted, that these laws " may tie the hands of the incoming president" a d just below it says that 50 laws have been finalised meaning "Rule Finalized
50
Rule is in effect or set to take effect, making it harder for the next administration to undo".
So, harder for the next administration to undo......but not impossible to be undone.
So thanks for confirming then that the changes made this week can be undone later.
Won't be of much help to anyone who is executed in the mean time hound!
Totally different scenario.
You might as well include people who get run over and killed.
Why? The orange one hasn't passed a law about people having to be run over! Or are you just being a WUM for the sake of it?
I have no idea what you are getting at or why.
You obviously didn't read the content of the link posted hound. One of Trumps new 'rulings' was to bring forward executions for those on death row, (currently the death penalty had been suspended). One person has already been executed following Trumps action and more are to follow!
Hound.
I didn't confirm what you said. Your interpretation of the text there was very different to mine. I read "tying hands" and "making it harder to rescind" as meaning what they, to me, clearly say. And as others have said, how do you rescind a rushed execution?
Regarding the "long post" you refer to, I clearly set out what I think is the different levels of what and who you can trust. If you choose to opt out of reading fact-based articles (as opposed to opinion) from organisations with a track record of generally being truthful and honest, but then comment on the discussion around that, it seems an odd stance.
Hound.
Yes. But there is a ling and drawn out process to implementing the death penalty. And Biden has been a long-term opponent of it. So it is very likely that, if Trump hadn't rushed these decisions, the people who have been executed (who are overwhelmingly black - I'm sure that's a coincidence...) would eventually have had their sentences commuted.
With regards to your last sentence, I give up. If you are determined to play silly buggers and not actually read what I say then fill your boots. I truly do not understand someone who refuses to engage with what someone writes, but then has a strident opinion on it.
I post factual evidence from people and organisations who have a long record of being truthful and honest. And who hold up their hands and correct themselves when they are shown to have made a mistake.
I deride any person or organisation that have a track record of lying or misrepresenting.
I treat any opinion piece with caution and I rarely post those.
Clear now?
Some deluded Trump followers asking for a pardon now they have been arrested for the Capitol invasion. "We only did what he told us to do and now I will have a police record and might go to jail"!
Only 1 person DJT cares about, the one he sees in the mirror
Capitol Building in Washington of full lockdown. No one allowed in or out! WTF is going on over there?
Only the ones who've been caught and are shitting themselves at the thought of getting jailtime.
Trump. The man who put the 'riot' into 'patriotism'.
Well. Scorched Earth policy it is as the man-child leaves the White House.
With the UK and Brazil dealing with dangerous new COVID variants, and with the USA already seeing 3000+ deaths a day from COVID, Trump signs an order to entirely open up travel from the UK and Brazil to the USA.
He's regularly commented on how Biden would get the plaudits for defeating COVID. This is a textbook Trump "f**k you, buster" move.
As I've said countless times, every time you think you've reached the base line of his sociopathic amorality...
Did anyone get executed then.
Yet another far right politician who is either as thick as mince or thinks his supporters can be fed shite.
https://mobile.twitter.com/SenTedCruz/status/1352040800646029312
Shouldn't need pointing out that the Paris Climate Agreement is not about protecting the climate in Paris. But Ted Cruz, a front runner to inherit Trump's mantle, suggesting that to his supporters.
Thick or mendacious. You decide.
74m voted for a Republican President not necessarily for Trump as an individual. They couldn't bring themselves to vote Democrat, it's a bit like the old days in the North voting Labour
Glyn.
Exactly.
Biden and Sanders were discussing a role for Sanders in Biden's cabinet. They decided that Sanders was better remaining in the Senate and giving the Democrats control, than risking losing a by-election.
Tyke. I've asked before. What exactly do you think a left-leaning politician can do to attract voters who voted for a criminal, treasonous, seditious, xenophobic rapist?
Specific policies.
So you are telling me that all 74m actually voted for Trump the individual rather than him being the Republican candidate?74m voted for a Republican President not necessarily for Trump as an individual. They couldn't bring themselves to vote Democrat, it's a bit like the old days in the North voting Labour
I think you'll find it's a lot more complicated that simple statement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPmcvCz6sPk
reform The Senate which is clearly an undemocratic body , just exactly how do the Republicans have 50 Senators as do the Democrats yet the Democrats represent 41 million more people ?
So you are telling me that all 74m actually voted for Trump the individual rather than him being the Republican candidate?74m voted for a Republican President not necessarily for Trump as an individual. They couldn't bring themselves to vote Democrat, it's a bit like the old days in the North voting Labour
I think you'll find it's a lot more complicated that simple statement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPmcvCz6sPk
Quotereform The Senate which is clearly an undemocratic body , just exactly how do the Republicans have 50 Senators as do the Democrats yet the Democrats represent 41 million more people ?
Tyke.
Aye. Grand. Me, I'd quite like Alicia Vikander to demand my participation in working out her erotic frustrations, but there's a problem trying to sort out the mechanism by which that happens.
BB. It is nothing like that. That is a very poor comparison for reasons I've explained several times before, but you keep on making it.
1) In Britain you don't vote for a PM. You vote for a party. The PM's freedom to implement policy is constrained by what he can get through Parliament. The Labour party MPs would have highly constrained the freedom of a PM Corbyn, because most of them vehemently disagreed with his foreign policy in particular.
That is not the case in the USA. You vote for a President who has huge executive powers, especially on foreign policy. There is far less constraint on him.
2) Then you look at the choice in an election. I've said before that the choice of which PM was going to be in power in 2019 was the worst in living memory. Even if you accept your caricature of Corbyn, the alternative was a career compulsive liar who was committed to what most people on the Left consider to be the most damaging policy to Britain's economic and foreign position in centuries. And whose party is in hoc to Russian gangster funding.
In America, the choice was between a competent if dull centrist politician (who isn't a paedophile, despite the obsessions of some on the Right) and a criminal, treasonous, seditious, xenophobic rapist. And 74 million still voted for the latter.
Tyke is wanting the centre-Left in America to win the hearts of those 74million. I'm asking him how? Personally, if, given the choice between Trump and Biden, they chose Trump, I do not see anything that a centre-Left party can do to ever win more than a handful of them back. The aim must be to neutralise their political effect by energising the 81million who rejected him. Get sensible politics back. And slowly let the demographic shift make a return to Trump's fascism become impossible.
If, as you say, Trump's supporters don't believe he is
a criminal, treasonous, seditious, xenophobic rapist, despite all the evidence, they are beyond reasoning with. And trying to reason with them is a fool's errand. They need to be contained, not understood, so they never wreak this damage on America again.
SS.
I didn't say anything about physical suppression.
Tyke.
You are very passionate in your assertion that the Democrats are in hock to the rich. You DO know that the last two Democrat Presidents both raised the top tax rates?
SS.
You contain them by continually confronting their ideas, disproving their falsehoods and prosecuting their illegality. You show the rest of the country that the people who condoned and supported Trump, even after he incited an insurrection, are the problem, not patriots to be looked to as an example.
You promote unity, for sure. But on the terms of them confirming to basic standards. Not by putting an arm round them and saying "We understand you."
Fundamentally, it is a war of ideas. You win that by showing every day that their ideas are foul and the people who have led them are criminal self-aggrandisers.
They'll die out, eventually. Look how many of the Insurrectionist have howled "I didn't expect to get arrested!" when the law has grabbed them. Nip them in the bud now and hold them up as examples, rather than going easy on them.
Tyke.
I'm not Mother Teresa.
In my opinion, anyone who has watched and listened to Trump these past 5 years, and thinks he's a patriot, the saviour of his people, a victim, a fighter for the little man or even remotely close to be honest and trustworthy is beyond saving.
If you give them a better job and better prospects, they are not going to turn round and say "Gee! You were right all along! What i fool I've been!"
They just need politically containing and neutralising until the toxicity dies away.
Tyke.
I'm not Mother Teresa.
In my opinion, anyone who has watched and listened to Trump these past 5 years, and thinks he's a patriot, the saviour of his people, a victim, a fighter for the little man or even remotely close to be honest and trustworthy is beyond saving.
If you give them a better job and better prospects, they are not going to turn round and say "Gee! You were right all along! What i fool I've been!"
They just need politically containing and neutralising until the toxicity dies away.
But that's not how historically you've rid a country of fascism is it Billy which in my opinion is pretty close to what Trump was relatively speaking .
Surely you build something better so there's absolutely no reason to go there again .
You lead by taking people with you , 74 million who voted for Trump is the issue not those who stormed the senate or who voted for Biden .
By not focusing on the real issue the next Trump is only four years away , a smarter more dangerous one perhaps .
The centre left may also want to consider a ruthless streak when it elects it's representatives instead of wet w@nks who run away and are willing to be just as dirty as the opponents they face .
The play is to convert the vast majority of Trump's 74 million and bury the feckers career wise who feed the frenzy .
Things are coming to a head in my opinion after over 40 years of neoliberlism , the stakes never higher .
I never suggested they change their support I just query the supposition that 74m Republican voters voted for Trump rather than just the Republican partySo you are telling me that all 74m actually voted for Trump the individual rather than him being the Republican candidate?74m voted for a Republican President not necessarily for Trump as an individual. They couldn't bring themselves to vote Democrat, it's a bit like the old days in the North voting Labour
I think you'll find it's a lot more complicated that simple statement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPmcvCz6sPk
No, listen to the opinions of those who voted for Trump in that video and then say it's as simple as just switching from one party to the other.
Tyke.
I'm not Mother Teresa.
In my opinion, anyone who has watched and listened to Trump these past 5 years, and thinks he's a patriot, the saviour of his people, a victim, a fighter for the little man or even remotely close to be honest and trustworthy is beyond saving.
If you give them a better job and better prospects, they are not going to turn round and say "Gee! You were right all along! What i fool I've been!"
They just need politically containing and neutralising until the toxicity dies away.
But that's not how historically you've rid a country of fascism is it Billy which in my opinion is pretty close to what Trump was relatively speaking .
Surely you build something better so there's absolutely no reason to go there again .
You lead by taking people with you , 74 million who voted for Trump is the issue not those who stormed the senate or who voted for Biden .
By not focusing on the real issue the next Trump is only four years away , a smarter more dangerous one perhaps .
The centre left may also want to consider a ruthless streak when it elects it's representatives instead of wet w@nks who run away and are willing to be just as dirty as the opponents they face .
The play is to convert the vast majority of Trump's 74 million and bury the feckers career wise who feed the frenzy .
Things are coming to a head in my opinion after over 40 years of neoliberlism , the stakes never higher .
What you either forget or ignore Tyke is that for the vast majority of Trump supporters it is not neoliberlism they have a problem with.
It is no suprise that your time frame fits in with the civil rights movement and the massive changes thise brought to American society - and the people disliked this.
It is no suprise that Trump came to power immediately after America's first black president.
Trump did not create this mood in American society, it has been there since the Civil War and he was a big democratic donor in the 90's, but he and his billionaire backers saw how they could appeal to people who have this attitude to gain power.
Trump was a PR front for billionaire low tax, small state, low regulation, climate deniers to appeal to racists to gain power.
He might have gone, but they are still there and they aint changing anytime soon.
Start laughing now then Filo, those spineless Republicans will not convict him.
If a President directly and unambiguously inciting people who had been openly talking about executing Senators to riot and storm the Capitol, and that does not result in the Senate upholding the impeachment, you kind of wonder what a President WOULD have to do.
Start laughing now then Filo, those spineless Republicans will not convict him.
Having a conviction doesn't bar a person from being president in the US.
Having a conviction doesn't bar a person from being president in the US.
A conviction (with almost certain jail time) for trying to nobble an election is reason enough for the GOP to tell him to bugger off and not come back.
McConnell said that Trump was "morally and practically responsible" for the insurrection. But said he voted against the impeachment because it was unconstitutional as Trump is no longer President.
That's a fair and honest position to take I suppo...
Except. Hang on.
Five weeks ago, when Trump still was President and McConnell was in charge of the Senate, McConnell blocked moves to hold the impeachment hearing before Trump's term finished, saying it wasn't the time.
The man is beneath disgusting. He has just deliberately organised a process to allow a President to get off scot free with inciting a mob to invade the Capitol to stop the legal process of confirming an election.
It is a long, long way back for America out of this pit.
I'm kind of torn on this , there's no doubt he's got away with it and its made a mockery of the US justice system if there ever was such a thing .
However there was also a danger that you could make a martyr out of Trump and more fuel is added to the fire .
Either way it's not good , not good at all .
It's seems an almost impossible task to fix the US to tell the truth .
And so it goes on. The American batshit right openly undermining democracy. Here's Michael Flynn, ex General and Trump's sometime national security adviser saying they should have a Myanmar-style military coup.
Echoing QAnon forums, Michael Flynn appears to suggest a Myanmar-style coup should happen in the...
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Oh aye. And the media so scared of calling out fascists as fascists that they say he "appears" to say what he actually said.
So a year or so ago, I was posting in here about how deranged Trump was and how his behaviour threatened peace and democracy. I was saying that his actions were the sort of thing that could lead to civil war. I was saying that I'd be amazed if senior military staff weren't considering what to do if he ordered a nuclear attack.
And I was told by some folk in here that was a ridiculous over exaggeration.
Well we know that after his election loss, his supporters invaded the Capitol, some of them with the express intention of killing senators who had voted to accept the election result. Success in that sort of putsch is precisely how civil wars start.
But surely I was exaggerating when I said senior military figures would have plans to stop Trump firing nukes?
Apparently not.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/09/14/politics/woodward-book-trump-nuclear/index.html
I think following the jailing of some I think we will see a better behaved bunch this time around Glyn