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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: SydneyRover on August 07, 2017, 12:23:41 pm
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I dont think he does. His best days were with us. Might get 10 this season if he's lucky.
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You think so Gaz? If he stays fit he has a good chance to score plenty this season. That this won't be for us is history now.
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He will piss 10 goals in my opinion if he stays fit. He's probably on pens too.
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You think so Gaz? If he stays fit he has a good chance to score plenty this season. That this won't be for us is history now.
I saw him a few times in L1 last season, he scored plenty but he just didn't look the same to me.
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Think he will be nearer 20 than 10
Great player for us discounting the last time but he is assigned to our history
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Think he will be nearer 20 than 10
Great player for us discounting the last time but he is assigned to our history
Under Dickov so it doesn't count.
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You think so Gaz? If he stays fit he has a good chance to score plenty this season. That this won't be for us is history now.
I saw him a few times in L1 last season, he scored plenty but he just didn't look the same to me.
Didn't he score 30 league goals last season?
I've been watching the Rovers for 50 years and he's by far the best striker I've seen playing for us. went on to prove it with other clubs as well. Alick Jeffrey was past his best when I saw him
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These are adding up now Gaz!
- Everton to finish bottom half
- Sharp lucky to get ten goals all season
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These are adding up now Gaz!
- Everton to finish bottom half
- Sharp lucky to get ten goals all season
Everton have looked abysmal in their first two games this season. Worse than abysmal in fact.
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You think so Gaz? If he stays fit he has a good chance to score plenty this season. That this won't be for us is history now.
I saw him a few times in L1 last season, he scored plenty but he just didn't look the same to me.
Didn't he score 30 league goals last season?
I've been watching the Rovers for 50 years and he's by far the best striker I've seen playing for us. went on to prove it with other clubs as well. Alick Jeffrey was past his best when I saw him
I totally agree with you. I never saw Alick but Billy is head and shoulders above every other striker that I've seen play for us.
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You can't fault Billy. I thought he might struggle with injury but he hardly missed much last season and scored plenty.
I think, like Copps, he has to play and train smarter these days. He's reaping the rewards and the love from the fans that he missed out when he was there in his first spell, and richly deserved.
He's a former player that will always command respect and a warm welcome.
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Loved Billy but Peter Kitchen edges it for me, absolutely deadly inside the box.
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Billy is the best i have seen for us though i would have loved to have seen Mike Jeffrey play more games for us 49 appearances 19 goals was some going in not one of our better sides. I have said it before Billy would have scored in the premier league but didn't get a proper opportunity. We unfortunately had a manager who was a former striker himself who showed no faith in him and couldn't get the best from him as he didn't with many others. When Billy lost his little lad he seemed to lose something for a long time-football means very little at times like that.
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Loved Billy but Peter Kitchen edges it for me, absolutely deadly inside the box.
... and Kitch is my all time Fav Player but Laurie Sheffield was as deadly inside the Box
Any Keeper spilling the ball / any hit post / any scramble as LS was "in"
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Sheffield was also the best header of a ball I've ever seen. Great, GREAT player.
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Billy is the best finisher I have ever seen at the club. The bloke would score goals at any level no doubt about it.
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These are adding up now Gaz!
- Everton to finish bottom half
- Sharp lucky to get ten goals all season
Everton have looked abysmal in their first two games this season. Worse than abysmal in fact.
Although they won both their competitive games so far this season.
Agree that they need a decent, reliable goalscorer, but no way will they finish bottom half.
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1 game in the championship does not say anything yet. Will struggle in this league
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What it does say is that he is 10pc of the way to getting ten goals this season.
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Sheffield was also the best header of a ball I've ever seen. Great, GREAT player.
Loved Billy but Peter Kitchen edges it for me, absolutely deadly inside the box.
... and Kitch is my all time Fav Player but Laurie Sheffield was as deadly inside the Box
Any Keeper spilling the ball / any hit post / any scramble as LS was "in"
Loved Billy but Peter Kitchen edges it for me, absolutely deadly inside the box.
Peter Kitchen and Laurie Sheffield didn't play at the same level as Billy Sharp did with us though.
Brendon O'Callaghan was the best header of a football I've ever seen at any level. Did he go to Stoke in the top flight and finish up playing centre half for them??
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I dont think he does. His best days were with us. Might get 10 this season if he's lucky.
End of August and this is not ageing well!
Four league goals already. Can't keep a good man down.
Interesting that Blades have lost every game he has not scored in so far - and in those games he has scored, his goals have forced the results (two mins, one draw).
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Gifted two today. Don't get me wrong you have to be there to roll them in I suppose.
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It's a shame that he didn't do this in his last spell with us when we went down.
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It's a shame that he didn't do this in his last spell with us when we went down.
Could've been something to do with a manager who failed to get the best out of any of the long list of strikers he brought to the club.
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Th point is that Billy has a long track record and can score at the higher levels. He added a sense of excitement to the team when he played for us. Marquis, Mandeville and May are all unknown at the higher levels and may lack the quality needed that Billy undeniably does have.
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It's a shame that he didn't do this in his last spell with us when we went down.
I think we all know that his perceived 'failiure' with us wasn't down to him.
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Billy is a brilliant striker. We were lucky to have him on our books.
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I dont think he does. His best days were with us. Might get 10 this season if he's lucky.
Hmmm how many is that now
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Out injured for a month as well. 6 in 10 in the league.
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Could have had a few more tonight as well. Worth mentioning it's Lueys 6th birthday today so no doubt it would have meant the world to him. Love him.
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Didn’t realise that where have those years gone
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Billy is a brilliant striker. We were lucky to have him on our books.
It's a sickener that we'll probably never have a player of his quality again. Those days are now gone I'm afraid, at least for the foreseeable future.
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He'll get 10 by Christmas at this rate. Never in doubt.
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Billy is a brilliant striker. We were lucky to have him on our books.
It's a sickener that we'll probably never have a player of his quality again. Those days are now gone I'm afraid, at least for the foreseeable future.
Sorry BB, I don't agree, and I know to disagree with you is not a wise thing, but the one thing I am holding on to is that football is not totally predictable and nor is it a machine that you get out what you put in.
This is why the millionaires at Leicester City won the title a couple of seasons ago.
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Glad hes doing it for the club he loves,failed there twice before but now the tide as turned.Couldnt help but be impressed with the blades could be in the mix come the end of season.4 ex Rovers players in there ranks just were did we go wrong.
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Seems to thrive on being captain too
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Glad hes doing it for the club he loves,failed there twice before but now the tide as turned.Couldnt help but be impressed with the blades could be in the mix come the end of season.4 ex Rovers players in there ranks just were did we go wrong.
Snatching relegation from the jaws of safety didn't help! 😉
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Billy is a brilliant striker. We were lucky to have him on our books.
It's a sickener that we'll probably never have a player of his quality again. Those days are now gone I'm afraid, at least for the foreseeable future.
I agree BB.
To get players if that quality you have to spend money, and I can't see us paying over a million for a player any time soon. I can't remember the last time we paid decent money for anyone.
When you consider Middles borough paid £14m or there a outs for Assombalonga, Billy has to be right up there as well
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Two more tonight.
8 goals in 13 Championship games this season.
Better return than his career average and playing in the Championship in his 30s.
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If Soccerbase is correct, that's him on 199 career league goals now. That's some achievement.
By the way MFD. You don't have to pay over a million quid for a player of that quality. Scunthorpe paid £100k for him. And £175k for Gary Hooper who has an even better scoring record.
Plus, of course, our current manager picked up Mackail-Smith and MacLean for peanuts when he was at Peterborough. He saw something in them that suggested they could score at the rate of 1 every two games for long periods of time.
If only he could find a striker like that for us...
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May could be a 1 in 2 man once he's been battered in the gym to become stronger.
Over to you Alfie boy... how good do you want to be?
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Billy is a brilliant striker. We were lucky to have him on our books.
It's a sickener that we'll probably never have a player of his quality again. Those days are now gone I'm afraid, at least for the foreseeable future.
Sorry BB, I don't agree, and I know to disagree with you is not a wise thing, but the one thing I am holding on to is that football is not totally predictable and nor is it a machine that you get out what you put in.
This is why the millionaires at Leicester City won the title a couple of seasons ago.
Of course, you're quite right DRNaith, and maybe my pessimism was a bit over the top in that post, especially when considering the potential of Alfie May, who I'd completely overlooked.
Perhaps it's still probable that we'll not have a player of Sharp's quality again, but I think Alfie shows signs that makes it possible we will.
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Hope you didn’t place a bet on him not getting 10 Gaz
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He will probably make it back by backing Everton to finish bottom half!
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If Soccerbase is correct, that's him on 199 career league goals now. That's some achievement.
By the way MFD. You don't have to pay over a million quid for a player of that quality. Scunthorpe paid £100k for him. And £175k for Gary Hooper who has an even better scoring record.
Plus, of course, our current manager picked up Mackail-Smith and MacLean for peanuts when he was at Peterborough. He saw something in them that suggested they could score at the rate of 1 every two games for long periods of time.
If only he could find a striker like that for us...
But the numbers you're quoting are years ago, and you know as well as me that football, and in particular transfer fees, change overnight. Yes, you may be lucky and on the odd occasion pick someone up for next to nothing (Vardy for instance) but have you seen how much money very ordinary players are going for now? It's crazy, madness. Hence why I don't think we will ever be able to compete in the Championship.
Alfie May a goal every two games striker?? I doubt it very much. I hope he proves me wrong, but I doubt it
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How much did Sheff U pay Leeds for Sharp btw?
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Was it half a million?
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Two more tonight.
8 goals in 13 Championship games this season.
Better return than his career average and playing in the Championship in his 30s.
Prolific. What a guy.
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How much did Sheff U pay Leeds for Sharp btw?
'Undisclosed' I believe. I thought I heard around £800,000 but obviously that would be just rumour.
If they did only pay that for him, that has to be the bargain of the century considering what he's done since he went there
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Transfer fees are only madness in the premier league and a little bit now in the championship.
In league 1 it's very rare people spend money on transfer fees, so there's still the obvious possibility of signing someone who turns into a world beater
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Didn’t Bradford pay £1m for Wyke? At the and of the day whatever level you are at, if you think you can buy a player for £1m and you think he’s a £3m player you have to trust your judgement and pull the money up.
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Oh hang on a minute.
John Marquis.
61 league starts for us. 31 league goals.
Well, well, well.
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Marquis scored a hatful for us in the lowest tier of professional football.
He continues to score reasonably frequently in the second lowest tier of professional football.
Billy has showed it consistently at Championship level, including with our modestly resourced gang.
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If Sheff U get promoted and Billy finally gets a chance to play in the Premiership I may well shed tears.
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Good strikers score 1 in 2 on a regular basis. It's a pretty consistent and reliable figure.
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billy definitely deserved his chance to play in the prem
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Aye. But I wasn't comparing Marquis to Sharp. I was comparing him to a standard of scoring 1 every 2 games.
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If Sheff U get promoted and Billy finally gets a chance to play in the Premiership I may well shed tears.
He's already played in the Premiership
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How long did he get, about 10 minutes? Monkcaster is right, he deserves a proper crack a the top level and he'd get it if Sheff Utd went up.
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Transfer fees are only madness in the premier league and a little bit now in the championship.
In league 1 it's very rare people spend money on transfer fees, so there's still the obvious possibility of signing someone who turns into a world beater
Really?!!!
Didn't Middlesborough pay £14m for Asombalonga? Now that is absolute madness!
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He has played a total of 18 minutes in the Premier League.
Billy came on for Southampton in the 86 minute vs Man City and 76 minute v Wigan, in August 2012.
On losing side in both games.
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Strange how no manager has ever seen his obvious Premier League potential.
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Transfer fees are only madness in the premier league and a little bit now in the championship.
In league 1 it's very rare people spend money on transfer fees, so there's still the obvious possibility of signing someone who turns into a world beater
Really?!!!
Didn't Middlesborough pay £14m for Asombalonga? Now that is absolute madness!
Aren't middlesborough in the championship?
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I love billy but his record in the championship isn't 1 in 2
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His biggest achievement is getting 1 in 2 playing for us in the Championship. Rest of his clubs in Reading, Southampton, Leeds and Blades all the big boys. Ironically probably best return in that level is with us.
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Transfer fees are only madness in the premier league and a little bit now in the championship.
In league 1 it's very rare people spend money on transfer fees, so there's still the obvious possibility of signing someone who turns into a world beater
Really?!!!
Didn't Middlesborough pay £14m for Asombalonga? Now that is absolute madness!
It is a crazy figure yes, but not if they get promoted as they would get that back in spades.
The value of a player isn't always about what he has done, its about what he can bring to the buying club..
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Didn't Fulham pay something like £11m for McCormack? that's crazy.
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If Sheff U get promoted and Billy finally gets a chance to play in the Premiership I may well shed tears.
He's already played in the Premiership
A proper stab at it. Not the cameos that have been mentioned. Sure he got shipped out in the August window when at Southampton as well.
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Sharp is similar to Grant Holt, who went from League One to the Premiership with Norwich and got talked about with regards to an England call up for a time, before he ultimately ended up back where he started in a flash.
Billy's nearing the end of his career now so good luck to him in achieving everything while he can and riding on the crest of a wave for as long as he can.
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Rickie Lambert managed it all - Prermiership, England and dream transfer to Liverpool. All in his 30s. None of this looked likely in his 20s.
He can retire happy.
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Sharp is similar to Grant Holt, who went from League One to the Premiership with Norwich and got talked about with regards to an England call up for a time, before he ultimately ended up back where he started in a flash.
Billy's nearing the end of his career now so good luck to him in achieving everything while he can and riding on the crest of a wave for as long as he can.
Not sure how similar really - Holt had two full seasons playing in the Premier League, Sharp has had 2 sub appearances!
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Holt blossomed in the latter stages of his career and peaked when he was 30+.
Sharp is doing similar at roughly the same age.
Before enjoying purple patches in the twilight years of their careers (lets face it, Billy isn't getting any younger), neither player had really been huge in the Championship, but both had been prolific in the lower divisions.
Sharp's reputation for scoring now is probably better than it's ever been, and he's playing for a club now as high as he's ever really been previously - my view is when he did get to the Premier League with Southampton, he wasn't given a fair crack of the whip whatsoever.
Holt is the benchmark player for Billy to aspire to and I genuinely believe he'll go up again with Sheff United and be their main man during at least a season in the top division.
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Point of fact. By the time Holt was the age that Sharp is now, he'd played nearly 50 top flight matches and scored 16 top flight goals.
I know there's a lot of sentiment invested in Sharp, but there's a reason he's never gone in to be a top flight striker. He doesn't quite have the physical presence, pace or sheer ability to cut it at that level. You need one of those to make it at the top. Sharp has a combination of those skills which makes him a very good striker at Championship level. But he'd be found lacking at the very highest level. And given the fact that he'd be nearer 33 than 32 by the time he got a chance (if the Blades go up) he's unlikely to be a better bet to succeed than he was as a 26 year old at the very top of his game in 2012 when Southampton decided he didn't quite have what it takes.
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Point of fact. By the time Holt was the age that Sharp is now, he'd played nearly 50 top flight matches and scored 16 top flight goals.
I know there's a lot of sentiment invested in Sharp, but there's a reason he's never gone in to be a top flight striker. He doesn't quite have the physical presence, pace or sheer ability to cut it at that level. You need one of those to make it at the top. Sharp has a combination of those skills which makes him a very good striker at Championship level. But he'd be found lacking at the very highest level. And given the fact that he'd be nearer 33 than 32 by the time he got a chance (if the Blades go up) he's unlikely to be a better bet to succeed than he was as a 26 year old at the very top of his game in 2012 when Southampton decided he didn't quite have what it takes.
You could say that Holt or Rickie Lambert were unlikely bets to succeed at top flight level, but for a time they did.
That said, I actually didn't realise Holt was so young in comparison to Sharp, when he burst through the divisions with Norwich and was something like the second highest English scorer in the Premier League in one season.
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Yes but a) They both had a physically imposing side to their game that Sharp hasn't got and b) they were both already established top level players by the time they were Sharp's age.
Don't get me wrong. It would be a lovely fairy tale if Sharp was a success in the Premier League. But realistically, it's not going to happen.
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Sharps a terrific Championship striker at the very least, his record proves that. Bit unfair to comment on Premier League credentials when he's never had the chance though.
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But he DID have a chance. At the very height of his career, he was at Southampton in the Premier League.
You reckon they didn't pick him out of spite?
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Yes but a) They both had a physically imposing side to their game that Sharp hasn't got and b) they were both already established top level players by the time they were Sharp's age.
Don't get me wrong. It would be a lovely fairy tale if Sharp was a success in the Premier League. But realistically, it's not going to happen.
I think he'll get a chance at the Premiership, it's just up to him how much he makes of it and whether or not he can avoid injury.
I also believe Billy's got a certain attitude to his game - it's not quite in the same category as Holt or Lambert, but he has a tenacious, relentless, sort of never give up attitude which could cause a few problems.
If they don't go up this season, then I think Billy knows he'll probably never get another shot at the top flight and that can only be motivation for someone like him.
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But he DID have a chance. At the very height of his career, he was at Southampton in the Premier League.
You reckon they didn't pick him out of spite?
He was loaned out after all of 3 Premier League games of that season. He was not given the chance. Nigel Adkins signed him with the express purpose of getting over the line for promotion, then when it was done decided Sharp wasn't the man to lead the line in the new division. He was not given a fair crack ever at that level and no one will be able to say convincingly that he was.
Players like Lambert and Holt, and say Glenn Murray now at Brighton, are shown faith and given a run and they've taken that chance. Sharp never even got the opportunity so if Sheffield Utd do go up this season the one thing I'll be pleased about is that he gets that chance finally.
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Billy Sharp plays for Sheffield United now ,end of
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The key difference, RoversAlias, with Holt, Lambert and Murray is that they are a lot bigger than Sharp. As Billy (Stubbs, not Sharp) says, you need that extra edge to thrive in the Premier League, be that pace or physicality. As one of my favourite all time players I really hope it does happen for him but the chances are slim - even if Utd do go up I can't see them starting the first game next season with Sharp & Clarke. Sure, he deserves his chance but sentimentality counts for little these days and if Wilder can get a bigger, stronger, quicker replacement I've no doubt that he will.
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Billy Sharp plays for Sheffield United now ,end of
And Gary Megson has never been a Rovers manager, what on earth are you doing talking about him on another thread?
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The key difference, RoversAlias, with Holt, Lambert and Murray is that they are a lot bigger than Sharp. As Billy (Stubbs, not Sharp) says, you need that extra edge to thrive in the Premier League, be that pace or physicality. As one of my favourite all time players I really hope it does happen for him but the chances are slim - even if Utd do go up I can't see them starting the first game next season with Sharp & Clarke. Sure, he deserves his chance but sentimentality counts for little these days and if Wilder can get a bigger, stronger, quicker replacement I've no doubt that he will.
You might well be right, Nick, but we'll never know for sure until he plays a dozen or more games at that level. I'm not really arguing that he'll light it up in the PL, just adamant that he hasn't been given the chance from two substitute appearances like BST was trying to say.
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No. I wasn't saying that at all. That would be stupid.
It was nothing to do with 2 substitute appearances. He had two full pre-seasons at Southampton in the Premier League. They clearly didn't rate him as being good enough to cut it.
That was just one manager's opinion. But here's the clincher. No other manager at the lower end of the Premier League thought he was up to it either. He'd had a very good record in the Championship with us and Southampton. It's a certainty that PL clubs would have run the rule over him. But none ever made a move for him, when he was available on loan or to buy.
I said at the time he was with us that we, as fans, tend to massively overestimate the actually quality of our own heroes relative to the general standard. He's the best we've had in my time for sure, but he wasn't as good as some people claim.
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Ah how lucky we were to see Billy's best years (so far) - cheers dick!
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No. I wasn't saying that at all. That would be stupid.
It was nothing to do with 2 substitute appearances. He had two full pre-seasons at Southampton in the Premier League. They clearly didn't rate him as being good enough to cut it.
That was just one manager's opinion. But here's the clincher. No other manager at the lower end of the Premier League thought he was up to it either. He'd had a very good record in the Championship with us and Southampton. It's a certainty that PL clubs would have run the rule over him. But none ever made a move for him, when he was available on loan or to buy.
I said at the time he was with us that we, as fans, tend to massively overestimate the actually quality of our own heroes relative to the general standard. He's the best we've had in my time for sure, but he wasn't as good as some people claim.
Was he as good as Heffernan though?
Now that is a question!
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But if a daft question really. He was clearly better than Heffernan.
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I dont think he does. His best days were with us. Might get 10 this season if he's lucky.
Hmmm how many is that now
9 goals with 4 games to go...
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Funny enough I was in Sheffield yesterday for a meeting at head office and everybody there was blade fans..General synopsis seems to be that they think his best days are behind him and he hasn't been starting that many games recently.With o other strikers getting brought off the bench before him..Wilder has also said he will be looking to add another Striker..
They seem to think Billy will probably move on in the summer...
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I dont think he does. His best days were with us. Might get 10 this season if he's lucky.
Hmmm how many is that now
9 goals with 4 games to go...
He's scored 13 goals in 33 games, 12 in the league?
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I dont think he does. His best days were with us. Might get 10 this season if he's lucky.
Hmmm how many is that now
9 goals with 4 games to go...
He's scored 13 goals in 33 games, 12 in the league?
12 in the league, 3 of which are penalties. That’s 9 goals!
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Ah so do you not add the times you put the ball in the net from the spot onto the score in a match then?
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In that case, Kane is nowhere near Salah for the golden boot.
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I dont think he does. His best days were with us. Might get 10 this season if he's lucky.
Hmmm how many is that now
9 goals with 4 games to go...
He's scored 13 goals in 33 games, 12 in the league?
That's slightly better than 1 in 3, a fantastic season' s performance; I don't think it will happen, but I think he would be a great signing for us next season.
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I dont think he does. His best days were with us. Might get 10 this season if he's lucky.
Hmmm how many is that now
9 goals with 4 games to go...
He's scored 13 goals in 33 games, 12 in the league?
That's slightly better than 1 in 3, a fantastic season' s performance; I don't think it will happen, but I think he would be a great signing for us next season.
We would need the Blunts to get promoted for there to be any chance of that happening.
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I dont think he does. His best days were with us. Might get 10 this season if he's lucky.
Hmmm how many is that now
9 goals with 4 games to go...
He's scored 13 goals in 33 games, 12 in the league?
That's slightly better than 1 in 3, a fantastic season' s performance; I don't think it will happen, but I think he would be a great signing for us next season.
SS, don’t start one off again mate.
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I"d like to think we were in prime position to secure Billy's services if the circumstances are right beginning with DF evaluating the possibility.
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I dont think he does. His best days were with us. Might get 10 this season if he's lucky.
Hmmm how many is that now
9 goals with 4 games to go...
He's scored 13 goals in 33 games, 12 in the league?
12 in the league, 3 of which are penalties. That’s 9 goals!
You're not getting out of this on a technicality! :P
I might have to go through and take off all the penalties in the Prem to see if it puts Everton in the top 6, although even then I doubt it...
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Not this again... Billy’s a great player but do we really need to be linked with him every transfer window.
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Will never forget this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NML2cDJsWms
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Ah so do you not add the times you put the ball in the net from the spot onto the score in a match then?
It’s no indication of the ability of a striker though so when judging one they only distort the facts. As we ( I ) was judging Sharp it’s not worth including them.
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It's not worth including them because it's the difference between you being right and wrong.
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Not this again... Billy’s a great player but do we really need to be linked with him every transfer window.
i'd prefer Danny Graham any day must be nearly 2 years since i and some others suggested him but signing a new contract at the Bank of Blackburn
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Ah so do you not add the times you put the ball in the net from the spot onto the score in a match then?
It’s no indication of the ability of a striker though so when judging one they only distort the facts. As we ( I ) was judging Sharp it’s not worth including them.
So you don't need any ability to put the ball into the goal. That's why every single player is exactly as good at taking penalties as every other player then, I take it? or is that not the case?...
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I never understand why some people seem to disregard penalties as proper goals. This happened a lot on here last season when Marquis and Akinde were battling it out for top scorer in League 2. Surely the number we missed last season (and this to a lesser extent) show that it's not a given that a penalty means a goal? A goal is a goal in my book, no matter how it's scored!
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The greatest Doncaster Rovers goal of all time? 28 pass sequence under manager Paul Dickov.....https://youtu.be/Pji7zllUgk0
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Ah so do you not add the times you put the ball in the net from the spot onto the score in a match then?
It’s no indication of the ability of a striker though so when judging one they only distort the facts. As we ( I ) was judging Sharp it’s not worth including them.
So you don't need any ability to put the ball into the goal. That's why every single player is exactly as good at taking penalties as every other player then, I take it? or is that not the case?...
So if a goalkeeper scores 10 penalties a season does that make him a good striker? Just completely irrelevant when judging a strikers ability. Open play goals on the other hand are a much better barometer.
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The quality of that team! Makes you wonder whether to laugh or cry.
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And how ludicrously rare is it to have a regular penalty taker that's a goalkeeper? I can't think of one example in this country.
Face it, you've been proven wrong in your assertion that Sharp wouldn't score many goals this season and are trying to find a loophole to get out of it, which is silly. Just admit you got it wrong, it's no shame.
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The greatest Doncaster Rovers goal of all time? 28 pass sequence under manager Paul Dickov.....https://youtu.be/Pji7zllUgk0
Had to laugh at one of the comments under the video.
Says it wasn’t a good goal and the final ball to Sharp was just a hopeful punt forward.
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Pens still have to be put away, they are not guaranteed goals.
When we get a pen for the Rovers is there one amongst us who feels totally confident we will score them all.
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Ah so do you not add the times you put the ball in the net from the spot onto the score in a match then?
It’s no indication of the ability of a striker though so when judging one they only distort the facts. As we ( I ) was judging Sharp it’s not worth including them.
So you don't need any ability to put the ball into the goal. That's why every single player is exactly as good at taking penalties as every other player then, I take it? or is that not the case?...
So if a goalkeeper scores 10 penalties a season does that make him a good striker? Just completely irrelevant when judging a strikers ability. Open play goals on the other hand are a much better barometer.
Open play goals are a better barometer, yes, but to totally discount them just makes you look more of a pillock than accepting that you're wrong.
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It was my quote so I can set my barometer up how I want! Put it another way, if he had scored 10 penalties but no goals from open play in 30 odd games it wouldn’t be a good season for him would it. My point was to emphasise that he’s not as good as he was anyway and he can’t even get a game now so that says it all.
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He'd still have scored 10 goals, which was what you said he wouldn't achieve, not "he won't score 10 from open play but I'm going to ignore penalties in case it makes me wrong".
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The greatest Doncaster Rovers goal of all time? 28 pass sequence under manager Paul Dickov.....https://youtu.be/Pji7zllUgk0
It was alright, but you have to take the quality of the opposition into account, so that downgrades it.
In my opinion, we'll do well to ever beat Tommy Gaynor's goal against Blackpool in 1987. George Weah practiced for years before he managed to equal that one.
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Forget Marquis May and Rowe Who would have thought that Niall Mason would be our most efficient striker is it 3 shots on target 3 goals? Penalties heh!!
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You wonder about the merits of a striker who shys away from taking penalties. It should be their bread and butter. You want your striker to be confident and step up.
As there are so many exceptions (Marquis included) you shouldn't discount penalties from a strikers haul as clearly they're not that easy.
I don't think Billy has ever shirked the responsibility and his convertion rate must be very good.
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You wonder about the merits of a striker who shys away from taking penalties. It should be their bread and butter. You want your striker to be confident and step up.
As there are so many exceptions (Marquis included) you shouldn't discount penalties from a strikers haul as clearly they're not that easy.
I don't think Billy has ever shirked the responsibility and his conversation rate must be very good.
Exactly! If you saw an outfield player swapping positions with a goalkeeper for a penalty you would question the keeper's capability.
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It was my quote so I can set my barometer up how I want! Put it another way, if he had scored 10 penalties but no goals from open play in 30 odd games it wouldn’t be a good season for him would it. My point was to emphasise that he’s not as good as he was anyway and he can’t even get a game now so that says it all.
I’d let this one go Gaz. You are on better ground with your Everton prediction.
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2017/18 Championship season has now ended.
Billy Sharp played 34 league games and scored 13 league goals.
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2017/18 Championship season has now ended.
Billy Sharp played 34 league games and scored 13 league goals.
and good wine eventually turns to vinegar he looked quite stationary on the pitch -- how many pens did he get
amazed that "looney" Clarke who yonks ago scored for wednesday in a last day relegation match v crystal palace (wendies got relegated) after scoring he kicked the hoardings (more like "criminal" damage) and injured his foot and had to be subbed*
scored so many goals - yes im that rolled the ball in down here for the freebie goal thanks to Dickov's freebie
* this press report can't EVEN have been watching the match said he jumped the hoardings
"Palace right-back Danny Butterfield made a hash of a long ball forward and was robbed out wide by Clarke, who raced in on goal at an acute angle and curled the ball home brilliantly inside Speroni's far post.
Clarke appeared to pay a heavy price for jumping the hoardings in celebration as he was stretchered off straight after the restart and replaced by former Palace midfielder Tom Soares"
http://www.skysports.com/football/sheff-wed-vs-c-palace/210548
makes you wonder how many starts Ched Evans got .. yes we had all forgotten about him
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2017/18 Championship season has now ended.
Billy Sharp played 34 league games and scored 13 league goals.
How many games did he start though
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2017/18 Championship season has now ended.
Billy Sharp played 34 league games and scored 13 league goals.
How many games did he start though
A quick scour of the internet and I reckon he started 28 games and only played the full 90 minutes 9 times. Probably due to the number of strikers Sheffield United has got (and quality)
Whichever way you look at it, he's the best striker we've ever had (in the 50 years I've been watching the Rovers) as I posted at the start of this thread
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2017/18 Championship season has now ended.
Billy Sharp played 34 league games and scored 13 league goals.
How many games did he start though
A quick scour of the internet and I reckon he started 28 games and only played the full 90 minutes 9 times. Probably due to the number of strikers Sheffield United has got (and quality)
Whichever way you look at it, he's the best striker we've ever had (in the 50 years I've been watching the Rovers) as I posted at the start of this thread
I think Peter Kitchen would run him close. I know he was in 4th Div with us but proved he was 2nd Div ( Championship ) standard after us at Leyton Orient.
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Colin Booth was different class as well.
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The first Rovers goal I saw scored was by Boothy.