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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: mrfrostsdad on February 14, 2013, 09:29:49 pm
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No-one else was even interviewed!!!
What?!
No, I'm not joking. Just read part of an interview with JR and it's on the unofficial site. And Flynn 'will be part of the management team for many years to come'
So now we know. And I still come back to my original point 'No other established manager would come to a club without money to spend'. So I guess why bother interviewing anyone else?
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Well who did you think we were actually going to get?
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That young lad did well on Calendar & interviewed better than Flynn!
50p weekly salary to be spent on Wham Bars & Highland toffees & look how much money we'd have saved for that :lol:
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Not sure what the OP is trying to get at or trying to achieve :unsure:
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Thought it was common knowledge Flynn got fast tracked in after the players made their feelings known before anyone was interviewed?
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Thought it was common knowledge Flynn got fast tracked in after the players made their feelings known before anyone was interviewed?
Come off it - why turn down the chance to have a sly dig at the club?
Can't do anything without there being some f**king conspiracy behind it these days.
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I thought the club said they were interviewing 4 or 5 candidates? How did we know Flynn was the best candidate if we didn't even look at anyone else?
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I thought the club said they were interviewing 4 or 5 candidates? How did we know Flynn was the best candidate if we didn't even look at anyone else?
I seem to remember we had this charade when Sean was appointed. There were claims of a Peter Reid/Beardsley "dream team" being interviewed and then we got a quiet bloke from Bournemouth. Ryan knew all along who he wanted.
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No conspiracy theory.
How does anyone know who the best candidate is for any job unless shortlisting/interviews are carried out.
In the public sector (where I have spent most of my working life - 35 yrs in total) all the applicants would be able bring a charge under the Equal Opportunities Act if it could be proved the correct shortlisting had not been done. Not saying for a minute this should happen at a football club, but how do we know the best candidate got the job?
Cheapest option IMO, to which I am entitled
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Charade may be a strong word. Some may have fully believed what was said by JR about the applications, the short-listing, conducting interviews etc., but you must understand, not just in football but in business what is said for the newspapers and public may not be completely accurate !
I fully believe they never intended doing any short-listing or conducting any interviews as it was always going to be A or B.
Sometimes, you have to buy time whilst you make enquiries. It's quite normal and I certainly have no problem with it.
I'm surprised the OP believed otherwise if he is a regular on here.
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How does anyone know who the best candidate is for any job unless shortlisting/interviews are carried out.
In the public sector (where I have spent most of my working life - 35 yrs in total) all the applicants would be able bring a charge under the Equal Opportunities Act if it could be proved the correct shortlisting had not been done.
Have you ever come across 'Headhunters' ? It's common practice, particularly in the City.
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It may have been the cheapest option but that's NOT why he got the job!
He got the job for 1 reason as i and many others have already said... To try for stability.
When we get promotion it'll have worked out perfect. We can then let Flynn go and draw up a shortlist of probably better managers than before, interview and appoint.
I fully expect that what you expected in January, will happen in the summer...
I hope so anyway :thumbsup:
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I hope you're right. About the promotion bit anyway.
It would be difficult to appoint a new manager if we do get promoted
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I hope you're right. About the promotion bit anyway.
It would be difficult to appoint a new manager if we do get promoted
Why? It's not like he's been here all season as manager. Or signed many players. Plus his contract is only 'til the summer.
We'll need better for the championship, but as an 'interim' type appointment, it's a very good one imo.
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I hope you're right. About the promotion bit anyway.
It would be difficult to appoint a new manager if we do get promoted
Why? It's not like he's been here all season as manager. Or signed many players. Plus his contract is only 'til the summer.
We'll need better for the championship, but as an 'interim' type appointment, it's a very good one imo.
Perhaps this isn't strictly true, as I'd imagine he'd been recommending players to Saunders, since he WAS our scout before this. I bet you a pound to a penny he'll have had a part to play in the Cotterill deal.
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I hope you're right. About the promotion bit anyway.
It would be difficult to appoint a new manager if we do get promoted
Why? It's not like he's been here all season as manager. Or signed many players. Plus his contract is only 'til the summer.
We'll need better for the championship, but as an 'interim' type appointment, it's a very good one imo.
Perhaps this isn't strictly true, as I'd imagine he'd been recommending players to Saunders, since he WAS our scout before this. I bet you a pound to a penny he'll have had a part to play in the Cotterill deal.
Dean Saunders has worked with Cotterill too...
Dean Saunders was manager so they were his signings, Flynn obviously will have played some part in some of the deals, but so do many scouts... I wouldn't give them the job either :thumbsup:
I think in the summer (and in a new league) we need to go back to a SO'D type appointment (obviously not SO'D though)... Someone who can take the club forward and with an eye for the future footing of the club.
Can people honestly see Brian Flynn as a manager for 3-5yrs or more? spearheading the club to progress etc?
An experienced manager but who is also young. A manager who is proven at overachieving, yet potential to improve further. A manager who plays an attractive style of football and has a strong belief in a clubs youth policy and giving chances to them. A manager who is used to working on a very limited budget for the league they are in and a manager who is shrewd in the transfer market.
You probably know my first choice, but he's not the only one who has most/all of those attributes. The manager is the most important role for a 'team' so therefore should be paid the most attention and should have the most investment put into getting the right one.
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No conspiracy theory.
How does anyone know who the best candidate is for any job unless shortlisting/interviews are carried out.
In the public sector (where I have spent most of my working life - 35 yrs in total) all the applicants would be able bring a charge under the Equal Opportunities Act if it could be proved the correct shortlisting had not been done. Not saying for a minute this should happen at a football club, but how do we know the best candidate got the job?
Cheapest option IMO, to which I am entitled
Rovers don't operate in the Public Sector, so your comparison is invalid....
The football industry operates differently to other industries; thought you'd have realised that by now.
We may like it, we may not like it, but that's the way it is.
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Why are people so against Bryan Flynn? & who are these so called better managers?
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I hope you're right. About the promotion bit anyway.
It would be difficult to appoint a new manager if we do get promoted
Why? It's not like he's been here all season as manager. Or signed many players. Plus his contract is only 'til the summer.
We'll need better for the championship, but as an 'interim' type appointment, it's a very good one imo.
Perhaps this isn't strictly true, as I'd imagine he'd been recommending players to Saunders, since he WAS our scout before this. I bet you a pound to a penny he'll have had a part to play in the Cotterill deal.
Dean Saunders has worked with Cotterill too...
Dean Saunders was manager so they were his signings, Flynn obviously will have played some part in some of the deals, but so do many scouts... I wouldn't give them the job either :thumbsup:
I think in the summer (and in a new league) we need to go back to a SO'D type appointment (obviously not SO'D though)... Someone who can take the club forward and with an eye for the future footing of the club.
Can people honestly see Brian Flynn as a manager for 3-5yrs or more? spearheading the club to progress etc?
An experienced manager but who is also young. A manager who is proven at overachieving, yet potential to improve further. A manager who plays an attractive style of football and has a strong belief in a clubs youth policy and giving chances to them. A manager who is used to working on a very limited budget for the league they are in and a manager who is shrewd in the transfer market.
You probably know my first choice, but he's not the only one who has most/all of those attributes. The manager is the most important role for a 'team' so therefore should be paid the most attention and should have the most investment put into getting the right one.
I'm aware of that. But Flynn worked with him through the Welsh youth system too, and so I'd imagine he'd have been a big part of him wanting to be here too.
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Flynn only officially joined the club as a scout the Monday after the York cup game, so the core of the team was already in place by then. Cotterill was one of the first summer signings we made towards the end of June.
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Flynn only officially joined the club as a scout the Monday after the York cup game, so the core of the team was already in place by then. Cotterill was one of the first summer signings we made towards the end of June.
I'd forgotten about that.
In that case I retract my statements :P
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Flynn only officially joined the club as a scout the Monday after the York cup game, so the core of the team was already in place by then. Cotterill was one of the first summer signings we made towards the end of June.
He was involved with the club during pre-season. He was at the Cleethorpes friendly.
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Why are people so against Bryan Flynn? & who are these so called better managers?
Because we've lost a couple. When we won at Stevenage everyone was calling for him to get the job, now he's not the man for the job all of a sudden.
As Mush said, Flynn was fast tracked into the job because the players piped up and vouched for him before the interviews started. With us doing well at the top of the league, why would you want to unsettle things?
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No-one else was even interviewed!!!
What?!
No, I'm not joking. Just read part of an interview with JR and it's on the unofficial site. And Flynn 'will be part of the management team for many years to come'
So now we know. And I still come back to my original point 'No other established manager would come to a club without money to spend'. So I guess why bother interviewing anyone else?
why does it matter? He is our manager why can't we just support him?
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Dont understand all the negativity towards BF. A couple of bad results and everyone is out for him. We have key players out and a small squad.
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People do realise that the aged Bryan Flynn is only two years older than the young yet experienced Sean O'Driscoll.
As for 'now we know why he got the job', isn't that quite obvious? Of the managers being lined up/rumoured/linked to the club there were none who could boast as much experience or as good a track record as Bryan Flynn does. He turned the fortunes of Wrexham around during 11 years there. He kept Swansea in the League and laid the foundations for their subsequent rise. He nurtured, developed and managed a very successful and impressive Wales' Under-21 side. Managed an international side.
Add to all of these factors that he wanted the job, was already on the payroll, and was the choice of the players (and a large percentage of the fans) and it is pretty clear why he was appointed.
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Dont understand all the negativity towards BF. A couple of bad results and everyone is out for him. We have key players out and a small squad.
Exactly.
Also, if you were interviewing for a job and the first person you interviewed you were mightily impressed with, why would you waste time and interview other people if you already have your man?
Stop looking for reasons to hate this guy, its like most of you actually want him to fail. Get behind the team.
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So much negativity yet we are still second in league and having our blip in the season which EVERY club as a blip when at the top then come bouncing back. I am sure Bournemouth and Swindon have theirs to come yet so why worry? Why not support the manager and have faith instead of acting like Wednesday and United fans, where one week they win and best in the world and when they lose the next week, it's end of the world and that's their season finished until the week after. Tbh we moan about their fans doing this but majority of our fans do the same so were no better. Think it's about time you all stop moaning and use your energy to support the team. Like I have said every team as their blip and am sure we will be fine.
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The club never actually stated they had interviewed "5 or 6" managers. They said they had drawn up a shortlist of 5 or 6 managers.
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The club never actually stated they had interviewed "5 or 6" managers. They said they had drawn up a shortlist of 5 or 6 managers.
That's exactly what they said so can we have an end to this daft speculation please ???
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If we'd nicked a win on Tuesday this thread wouldn't have been made. I can't believe people are turning on Flynn after 3 bad games, a minor blip by anyones' standards. Sometimes I wonder what some of our fans expect.
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Wow, thanks for this startling revelation mrfrostsdad.
While we're at it, I've heard that Maggie Thatcher was never actually a huge fan of the Trades Unions all along!
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In the public sector (where I have spent most of my working life - 35 yrs in total) all the applicants would be able bring a charge under the Equal Opportunities Act if it could be proved the correct shortlisting had not been done.
Probably one of many reasons why much of the Public Sector is a complete shambles.
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It's not as though we were invincible before Saunders left (and, no, I am not having a dig at Saunders). Here's a tweet from Paul Goodwin on the 27th December:
Anorak's corner. #drfc vs teams 15th-24th P11 W10 D1. #drfc vs teams 1st-14th P12 W3 D3 L6. Perhaps highlights need for reinforcements.
Notwithstanding the fluidity of the league table, I think it tells its own story, no?
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No conspiracy theory.
How does anyone know who the best candidate is for any job unless shortlisting/interviews are carried out.
In the public sector (where I have spent most of my working life - 35 yrs in total) all the applicants would be able bring a charge under the Equal Opportunities Act if it could be proved the correct shortlisting had not been done. Not saying for a minute this should happen at a football club, but how do we know the best candidate got the job?
Cheapest option IMO, to which I am entitled
Can you justify the 'cheapest option' statement?
DRFC have a figure which managers at this club earn. That sum of money was available to whoever became the manager, or do you think that they are still paying him his scouting salary? I can assure you that's not the case so how is it a cheap option?
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No conspiracy theory.
How does anyone know who the best candidate is for any job unless shortlisting/interviews are carried out.
In the public sector (where I have spent most of my working life - 35 yrs in total) all the applicants would be able bring a charge under the Equal Opportunities Act if it could be proved the correct shortlisting had not been done. Not saying for a minute this should happen at a football club, but how do we know the best candidate got the job?
Cheapest option IMO, to which I am entitled
Can you justify the 'cheapest option' statement?
DRFC have a figure which managers at this club earn. That sum of money was available to whoever became the manager, or do you think that they are still paying him his scouting salary? I can assure you that's not the case so how is it a cheap option?
Maybe cheaper than paying compensation to another club for their manager.
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No conspiracy theory.
How does anyone know who the best candidate is for any job unless shortlisting/interviews are carried out.
In the public sector (where I have spent most of my working life - 35 yrs in total) all the applicants would be able bring a charge under the Equal Opportunities Act if it could be proved the correct shortlisting had not been done. Not saying for a minute this should happen at a football club, but how do we know the best candidate got the job?
Cheapest option IMO, to which I am entitled
Can you justify the 'cheapest option' statement?
DRFC have a figure which managers at this club earn. That sum of money was available to whoever became the manager, or do you think that they are still paying him his scouting salary? I can assure you that's not the case so how is it a cheap option?
Maybe cheaper than paying compensation to another club for their manager.
Of course it is a cheaper option but that doesn't mean he isn't getting the wage we would usually pay a manager. Was it the correct decision well.................we will have to wait and see how well he turns this shambles around. That will be the 'real' test of his ability and whether he was the right man for the job. Injuries aside, the way we have played these last 3 games leaves much to be desired.
Time to prove it Brian........................................................................
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No conspiracy theory.
How does anyone know who the best candidate is for any job unless shortlisting/interviews are carried out.
In the public sector (where I have spent most of my working life - 35 yrs in total) all the applicants would be able bring a charge under the Equal Opportunities Act if it could be proved the correct shortlisting had not been done. Not saying for a minute this should happen at a football club, but how do we know the best candidate got the job?
Cheapest option IMO, to which I am entitled
Can you justify the 'cheapest option' statement?
DRFC have a figure which managers at this club earn. That sum of money was available to whoever became the manager, or do you think that they are still paying him his scouting salary? I can assure you that's not the case so how is it a cheap option?
Come off it S.M. I'd be amazed if Flynn wasnt the cheapest option, when you take into account compensation packages to bring in another manager etc.
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I hope people aren't chucking me in with the 'Anti-Flynn' group? I'd hardly say he's had a lot of negativity about him either... :unsure:
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No conspiracy theory.
How does anyone know who the best candidate is for any job unless shortlisting/interviews are carried out.
In the public sector (where I have spent most of my working life - 35 yrs in total) all the applicants would be able bring a charge under the Equal Opportunities Act if it could be proved the correct shortlisting had not been done. Not saying for a minute this should happen at a football club, but how do we know the best candidate got the job?
Cheapest option IMO, to which I am entitled
Can you justify the 'cheapest option' statement?
DRFC have a figure which managers at this club earn. That sum of money was available to whoever became the manager, or do you think that they are still paying him his scouting salary? I can assure you that's not the case so how is it a cheap option?
Come off it S.M. I'd be amazed if Flynn wasnt the cheapest option, when you take into account compensation packages to bring in another manager etc.
Of course he was the cheapest offer but that how can you draw any conclusion from that . It doesn't necessarily mean he was the worst/inferior option, we will have to wait and see.
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In hindsight a monthly rolling contract may have been the best option.
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In hindsight a monthly rolling contract may have been the best option.
But then that goes against the whole point of is appointment in the first place (stability)... Can't have stability for the rest of the season if nobody knows whether he's actually going to be here from 1 month until the next.
His contract is the perfect length.
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In hindsight a monthly rolling contract may have been the best option.
But then that goes against the whole point of is appointment in the first place (stability)... Can't have stability for the rest of the season if nobody knows whether he's actually going to be here from 1 month until the next.
His contract is the perfect length.
I disagree. What point is stability if its unsuccessful?
If he'd been given a monthly rolling contract and results were ok he'd no doubt have been here til the end of the season anyway.
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In hindsight a monthly rolling contract may have been the best option.
But then that goes against the whole point of is appointment in the first place (stability)... Can't have stability for the rest of the season if nobody knows whether he's actually going to be here from 1 month until the next.
His contract is the perfect length.
I disagree. What point is stability if its unsuccessful?
If he'd been given a monthly rolling contract and results were ok he'd no doubt have been here til the end of the season anyway.
But given him a 1 month rolling contract is hardly a sign of having confidence in somebody is it? That would in turn spiral down to the players and fans... Atleast this way the players know exactly what they need to do and don't have to worry about anything other than their playing duties.
It's not really been unsuccessful has it? When Dean Saunders left, we were joint top (in 2nd) having played the same games... We are currently still 2nd but this time 1 point behind but with a game in hand!
Yeah the chasing pack have caught up, BUT... When DS left, we was 4 points above 3rd and they had a game in hand on us (which i believe they won which will have put us 1 point ahead)... We are still 1 point ahead of 3rd.
I'd say as stability goes, it's been pretty good!
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No conspiracy theory.
How does anyone know who the best candidate is for any job unless shortlisting/interviews are carried out.
In the public sector (where I have spent most of my working life - 35 yrs in total) all the applicants would be able bring a charge under the Equal Opportunities Act if it could be proved the correct shortlisting had not been done. Not saying for a minute this should happen at a football club, but how do we know the best candidate got the job?
Cheapest option IMO, to which I am entitled
Can you justify the 'cheapest option' statement?
DRFC have a figure which managers at this club earn. That sum of money was available to whoever became the manager, or do you think that they are still paying him his scouting salary? I can assure you that's not the case so how is it a cheap option?
Come off it S.M. I'd be amazed if Flynn wasnt the cheapest option, when you take into account compensation packages to bring in another manager etc.
And what about all those managers that applied for the job who we wouldn't have to pay compensation to? Money was not a factor in this decision at all, therefore if it was the cheapest option then it wasn't even considered as an option.
So be amazed!
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Jesus Christ folks!! BF is our manager with the trust of JR and the board, and the players..
Give them all some support and judge at the end of the season...
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No conspiracy theory.
How does anyone know who the best candidate is for any job unless shortlisting/interviews are carried out.
In the public sector (where I have spent most of my working life - 35 yrs in total) all the applicants would be able bring a charge under the Equal Opportunities Act if it could be proved the correct shortlisting had not been done. Not saying for a minute this should happen at a football club, but how do we know the best candidate got the job?
Cheapest option IMO, to which I am entitled
Can you justify the 'cheapest option' statement?
DRFC have a figure which managers at this club earn. That sum of money was available to whoever became the manager, or do you think that they are still paying him his scouting salary? I can assure you that's not the case so how is it a cheap option?
Come off it S.M. I'd be amazed if Flynn wasnt the cheapest option, when you take into account compensation packages to bring in another manager etc.
And what about all those managers that applied for the job who we wouldn't have to pay compensation to? Money was not a factor in this decision at all, therefore if it was the cheapest option then it wasn't even considered as an option.
So be amazed!
Ergo seemingly ''dearest'' is not always in fact rarely the best option in football. Give the man a chance at least before you consign him to the scrapheap after all the last 3 managers have given us plenty of 'ups' Yes there have been some troubled times, which are well documented, but the last 12 years have been good to us. All these managers have been entirely unexpected appointments but all have given us value ; why not the 4th. ?
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When I said 'cheapest option' I didn't mean he would get paid less than any other manager, what I meant was, any other established manager (and there are plenty out of work at the moment - hence why we got over 100 applicants - many 'high profile ones' according to JR) would have wanted money to strengthen our small squad, especially now with 3 of our best players out.
It seems no money is available. Can't see a Mark Robins, Owen Coyle or anyone coming in with no money to spend
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Money is available and always has been. But the game of football has changed and transfer fees don't feature any more. If by 'money available' you mean transfer fees then you may be right, but its wages which are key, you need deep pockets for some of the players we are asking for. Mark Robins et al all understand that. So, I am repeating myself but he wasn't the cheapest option and I guarantee that most of the managers out of those who applied would jump at coming to a club so well run.
And I'll give you an example, how did Mark Robins end up at Coventry? Do you think he's had a pot money available there, or did he have a smaller budget than he would have if he'd arrived at the Keepmoat? In that respect Robins would have been a cheaper option than Flynn.
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When I said 'cheapest option' I didn't mean he would get paid less than any other manager, what I meant was, any other established manager (and there are plenty out of work at the moment - hence why we got over 100 applicants - many 'high profile ones' according to JR) would have wanted money to strengthen our small squad, especially now with 3 of our best players out.
It seems no money is available. Can't see a Mark Robins, Owen Coyle or anyone coming in with no money to spend
i would have thought that the emphasis is on whether they themselves can get employment before employing others . Good managers would only have needed to 'tweak' this team at that time and perhaps made small changes early on.
My point still stands ........give the man a chance and if we're still labouring 3/4 games down the line then I might consider again the merits of your argument
Are you suggesting that a change could be needed now ?
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Money is available and always has been. But the game of football has changed and transfer fees don't feature any more. If by 'money available' you mean transfer fees then you may be right, but its wages which are key, you need deep pockets for some of the players we are asking for. Mark Robins et al all understand that. So, I am repeating myself but he wasn't the cheapest option and I guarantee that most of the managers out of those who applied would jump at coming to a club so well run.
And I'll give you an example, how did Mark Robins end up at Coventry? Do you think he's had a pot money available there, or did he have a smaller budget than he would have if he'd arrived at the Keepmoat? In that respect Robins would have been a cheaper option than Flynn.
Robins would have been a cheaper option than Flynn?
I think not.
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I thought he got the job because he was Plan B...
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No hoola, not suggesting a change now. We need to stick with what we've got now. But we need two midfielders and a striker (IMO) and quick! Looks like Syers and Hume are still out, and Brown and Griffin
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Money is available and always has been. But the game of football has changed and transfer fees don't feature any more. If by 'money available' you mean transfer fees then you may be right, but its wages which are key, you need deep pockets for some of the players we are asking for. Mark Robins et al all understand that. So, I am repeating myself but he wasn't the cheapest option and I guarantee that most of the managers out of those who applied would jump at coming to a club so well run.
And I'll give you an example, how did Mark Robins end up at Coventry? Do you think he's had a pot money available there, or did he have a smaller budget than he would have if he'd arrived at the Keepmoat? In that respect Robins would have been a cheaper option than Flynn.
Robins would have been a cheaper option than Flynn?
I think not.
That's not what I wrote. What I said was at Coventry he's had less money to spend than any manager coming into the job at DRFC and in that respect he would be cheaper, i.e. comparing job by job.
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No hoola, not suggesting a change now. We need to stick with what we've got now. But we need two midfielders and a striker (IMO) and quick! Looks like Syers and Hume are still out, and Brown and Griffin
Syers and Hume back for Yeovil, two midfielders and a striker to come in.
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No hoola, not suggesting a change now. We need to stick with what we've got now. But we need two midfielders and a striker (IMO) and quick! Looks like Syers and Hume are still out, and Brown and Griffin
Syers and Hume back for Yeovil, two midfielders and a striker to come in.
Lovely when will the names be announced martin ? :)
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No hoola, not suggesting a change now. We need to stick with what we've got now. But we need two midfielders and a striker (IMO) and quick! Looks like Syers and Hume are still out, and Brown and Griffin
Syers and Hume back for Yeovil, two midfielders and a striker to come in.
Lovely when will the names be announced martin ? :)
No hoola, not suggesting a change now. We need to stick with what we've got now. But we need two midfielders and a striker (IMO) and quick! Looks like Syers and Hume are still out, and Brown and Griffin
Syers and Hume back for Yeovil, two midfielders and a striker to come in.
Lovely when will the names be announced martin ? :)
Hopefully Tuesday or Wednesday. I think everybody will be pleased if the names I have heard are confirmed.
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:thumbsup: cheers for that not even a hint ;)
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Well if it's half as good as the other signings we've made this season we'll be fine. I just wonder if we'll be getting a striker who's a 'goal machine'.. ;)
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Well if it's half as good as the other signings we've made this season we'll be fine. I just wonder if we'll be getting a striker who's a 'goal machine'.. ;)
Of the afroed variety?
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Well if it's half as good as the other signings we've made this season we'll be fine. I just wonder if we'll be getting a striker who's a 'goal machine'.. ;)
Of the afroed variety?
Well if you listened to a Blade they'd have you believe he was of the Hotpoint variety!