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Title: What it must be like to be rich and have choices?
Post by: SydneyRover on November 24, 2019, 01:13:08 am
The National Living Wage is an obligatory minimum wage payable to workers in the United Kingdom to be phased by 2020.

As of April 2019 it is £8.21 per hour for those aged 25 and over. (reduced if you're younger cos you eat less?) Around 17k, (approx 4.5x less than those on 80k)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Living_Wage

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/earningsandworkinghours/bulletins/lowandhighpayuk/2019

I'm not suggesting that everyone should be on 80k or that anyone here is on that amount but comments on TV show that some do not appear to have any grasp how well off they are compared to the not-haves.




Title: Re: What it must be like to be rich and have choices?
Post by: bpoolrover on November 24, 2019, 01:39:35 am
If people are on benefits and get a pay raise to 10 pound a hour they will be no better off, when the tories increase tax allowance people are no better off either if on benefits as you have a certain amount you have to live off, once over that they pretty much take it pound for pound so what is your plan to combat that, if you make the allowance that you can live off more there is a fair chance that if you don’t work or work a few hours you will earn more than someone in work
Title: Re: What it must be like to be rich and have choices?
Post by: bpoolrover on November 24, 2019, 01:48:20 am
It’s a sad world lots of people including myself compare themselves to people worse off, we might debate on messageboards that it’s unfair but in reality that’s all we do we don’t do much about it
Title: Re: What it must be like to be rich and have choices?
Post by: bpoolrover on November 24, 2019, 02:24:23 am
https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2019/nov/15/tory-labour-minimum-wage-proposals-institute-fiscal-studies-poverty
Title: Re: What it must be like to be rich and have choices?
Post by: SydneyRover on November 24, 2019, 09:03:24 am
It’s a sad world lots of people including myself compare themselves to people worse off, we might debate on messageboards that it’s unfair but in reality that’s all we do we don’t do much about it

This reply is better than your first bp and you can do something, something that won't cost you anything by promoting and voting for politicians that want to help.

There's a clear choice if you do want to help in redistributing the wealth of the nation in a fairer way, many posts by others show what is required.










Title: Re: What it must be like to be rich and have choices?
Post by: bpoolrover on November 24, 2019, 10:27:47 am
It’s a sad world lots of people including myself compare themselves to people worse off, we might debate on messageboards that it’s unfair but in reality that’s all we do we don’t do much about it

This reply is better than your first bp and you can do something, something that won't cost you anything by promoting and voting for politicians that want to help.

There's a clear choice if you do want to help in redistributing the wealth of the nation in a fairer way, many posts by others show what is required.










 How are they going to help the worse off?
Title: Re: What it must be like to be rich and have choices?
Post by: SydneyRover on November 24, 2019, 10:39:56 am
Wrong, it's how are you going to help, but you make pretty obvious you don't want to.
Title: Re: What it must be like to be rich and have choices?
Post by: bpoolrover on November 24, 2019, 11:11:59 am
Don’t be ridiculous labour or tories have not said how they will help the worst off, food banks will be a thing of the past labour have said yet won’t say how that will happen, me voting labour is not going to get rid of food banks is it?
Title: Re: What it must be like to be rich and have choices?
Post by: bpoolrover on November 24, 2019, 11:14:45 am
The ifs say with the minimum wage increase less than 1 in 5 of the poorest households will benefit
Title: Re: What it must be like to be rich and have choices?
Post by: SydneyRover on November 24, 2019, 11:21:13 am
Don’t be ridiculous labour or tories have not said how they will help the worst off, food banks will be a thing of the past labour have said yet won’t say how that will happen, me voting labour is not going to get rid of food banks is it?

Wrong again, the Tories on recent history have shown they'll help themselves, tax cut for the already rich, Austerity to facilite the dismantling of the welfare state, it's in their DNA.
Title: Re: What it must be like to be rich and have choices?
Post by: bpoolrover on November 24, 2019, 11:26:42 am
What are labour going to do forget the tories?
Title: Re: What it must be like to be rich and have choices?
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on November 24, 2019, 12:41:36 pm
Don’t be ridiculous labour or tories have not said how they will help the worst off, food banks will be a thing of the past labour have said yet won’t say how that will happen, me voting labour is not going to get rid of food banks is it?

Bpool.

It's about how we manage benefits AND wages for the very lowest paid. The reason we have had an explosion in food banks is that there are many more people working for wages which are simply not enough to live on, and the benefits safety net has been gradually withdrawn.

No party is going to fix that overnight. But different parties in power send the country off in different directions.

The state of our current society, the good and the bad, in many ways comes from decisions made a generation ago.

We decided in the late 1970s to have a society in which there was less control over what the very richest earn, and less of a safety net for the very poorest. That change didn't happen overnight, but it's the direction we've been travelling in for a generation now. And that's why the proportion of the national cake that the richest 1% takes is now 50% greater than it was in 1975. And it's why 1.6million people (many of them working) have to use food banks.

That change didn't happen overnight. It took 40 years. It will take 40 years to fix it, if we start right away. Or, alternatively, think where the country will be if we keep the same path for the next 40 years.

The question now is, are you happy with that. Do you want to live in a country run by a Govt that does or does not prioritise changing that over the next generation?
Title: Re: What it must be like to be rich and have choices?
Post by: Sprotyrover on November 24, 2019, 12:46:23 pm
What are Labour going to do about the workshy under class?
Let em get pregnant at 16 give them a three bed Council house,
Pay em the equivalent of the the minimum wage, so the can bring little, Tyler etc up to be drug dealers?
Title: Re: What it must be like to be rich and have choices?
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on November 24, 2019, 12:49:54 pm
Sproty.

Go back to watching Benefit Street and let the grown ups talk about this.
Title: Re: What it must be like to be rich and have choices?
Post by: Herbert Anchovy on November 24, 2019, 01:06:40 pm
What are Labour going to do about the workshy under class?
Let em get pregnant at 16 give them a three bed Council house,
Pay em the equivalent of the the minimum wage, so the can bring little, Tyler etc up to be drug dealers?

Let me guess - You’re retired, have a nice pension, nice house, admire Mrs Thatcher for standing up to those pesky Unions, admire Boris for standing up to those pesky Europeans,  have never spent any considerable time with the ‘work shy underclass’ and read the Daily Mail/Express?
Title: Re: What it must be like to be rich and have choices?
Post by: bpoolrover on November 24, 2019, 01:12:06 pm
Don’t be ridiculous labour or tories have not said how they will help the worst off, food banks will be a thing of the past labour have said yet won’t say how that will happen, me voting labour is not going to get rid of food banks is it?

Bpool.

It's about how we manage benefits AND wages for the very lowest paid. The reason we have had an explosion in food banks is that there are many more people working for wages which are simply not enough to live on, and the benefits safety net has been gradually withdrawn.

No party is going to fix that overnight. But different parties in power send the country off in different directions.

The state of our current society, the good and the bad, in many ways comes from decisions made a generation ago.

We decided in the late 1970s to have a society in which there was less control over what the very richest earn, and less of a safety net for the very poorest. That change didn't happen overnight, but it's the direction we've been travelling in for a generation now. And that's why the proportion of the national cake that the richest 1% takes is now 50% greater than it was in 1975. And it's why 1.6million people (many of them working) have to use food banks.

That change didn't happen overnight. It took 40 years. It will take 40 years to fix it, if we start right away. Or, alternatively, think where the country will be if we keep the same path for the next 40 years.

The question now is, are you happy with that. Do you want to live in a country run by a Govt that does or does not prioritise changing that over the next generation?
bst at the minute labour have not said they will make it any better for the worse off, how have labour said they will change it?
Title: Re: What it must be like to be rich and have choices?
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on November 24, 2019, 01:17:32 pm
Bpool.

They've said pages and pages about it here.

https://labour.org.uk/manifesto/tackle-poverty-and-inequality/
Title: Re: What it must be like to be rich and have choices?
Post by: wilts rover on November 24, 2019, 01:18:52 pm
What are Labour going to do about the workshy under class?
Let em get pregnant at 16 give them a three bed Council house,
Pay em the equivalent of the the minimum wage, so the can bring little, Tyler etc up to be drug dealers?

Is that the voice of someone who has never worked in their life but lives off the money generated by a series of investment funds based in tax havens who exploit the cost of property whilst supplying arms shipments and over-priced drugs to the world?

Or just someone who supports them?

Conned. You have been.
Title: Re: What it must be like to be rich and have choices?
Post by: Sprotyrover on November 24, 2019, 01:23:27 pm
What are Labour going to do about the workshy under class?
Let em get pregnant at 16 give them a three bed Council house,
Pay em the equivalent of the the minimum wage, so the can bring little, Tyler etc up to be drug dealers?

Let me guess - You’re retired, have a nice pension, nice house, admire Mrs Thatcher for standing up to those pesky Unions, admire Boris for standing up to those pesky Europeans,  have never spent any considerable time with the ‘work shy underclass’ and read the Daily Mail/Express?
My Father got himself killed down the Pit, leaving my mother penniless,I had to stand in the free school dinner queue at school every Monday morning, my mum used to hide the Gas poker when she was broke,She was a very poorly lady and I used to get up at 6.30 make the fire in our Yorkshire range using sticks and scrounged newspaper, I had to trudge out to Coal house and our loo In hail rain or snow, the kitchen was just getting warm when I left to walk the 2 miles to school! I used to buy a pack of polo For 2p which was my bus fare,I had one pair of jeans, one pair of trousers, 1 pair of shoes. My school uniform was acquired via a Dhss grant.when I left school I worked very hard and did well for myself. I have always been a public servant and have worked with benefit dependable people all my 38 year working life.
What I have got I have worked for and I resent anybody rich or poor who thinks that everything should be on a plate for them...I bet you are one of those people hey Herbert, mummy and daddy always there to sub you, always prepared to do the least work but expect massive rewards heh!
Typical Socialist!
Title: Re: What it must be like to be rich and have choices?
Post by: bpoolrover on November 24, 2019, 01:23:56 pm
Bpool.

They've said pages and pages about it here.

https://labour.org.uk/manifesto/tackle-poverty-and-inequality/ none of that will help the worst off thou as I keep saying it will help people that are not on any benefits, every bit of money that you get over what the minimum is your allowed to live on gets taken off you so no it doesn’t solve anything the same people will be using food banks
Title: Re: What it must be like to be rich and have choices?
Post by: bpoolrover on November 24, 2019, 01:27:11 pm
And if you raise the amount you can earn then unemployment will go up massively
Title: Re: What it must be like to be rich and have choices?
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on November 24, 2019, 01:27:59 pm
Bpool.
https://labour.org.uk/manifesto/tackle-poverty-and-inequality/#4
Title: Re: What it must be like to be rich and have choices?
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on November 24, 2019, 01:30:19 pm
By the way. Over the next 3 weeks, you're going to hear the Tories relentlessly saying that Labour's spending plans are reckless and will destroy the economy.

They are relying on you not knowing the facts. Because if you know the facts, you know that argument is utter b*llocks.

https://t.co/sKeIVe4TCG?amp=1
Title: Re: What it must be like to be rich and have choices?
Post by: wilts rover on November 24, 2019, 01:33:35 pm

bst at the minute labour have not said they will make it any better for the worse off, how have labour said they will change it?

It isn't one thing bkpool it is a whole series of 'cradle to the grave' measures.

Surestart centres giving health and education assistants to new young familes, better funding for schools, teachers and colleges; recruitment for NHS & Brit Drug Company to produce cheaper drugs to keep costs down; Build it Britain programme to create more manufacturing jobs - linking these in with Green New Deal plan; training for school leavers & end of tuition fees for uni students; big increase investment & training in construction so as to create workforce to build massive increase in affordable houses; National Investment Bank to fund entrepeneurs; workers on boards to ensure fairer governance & involvement; free dental checks; nationalisation of utilities to end rip of prices, etc

Labour's plan is to end poverty by changing society
Title: Re: What it must be like to be rich and have choices?
Post by: bpoolrover on November 24, 2019, 01:39:23 pm
That’s all well and good wilts and thanks for reply, but people need help now! What is being done to stop the food banks ect. That is both Tory and labour, none of what you wrote will help the poorest people
Title: Re: What it must be like to be rich and have choices?
Post by: bpoolrover on November 24, 2019, 01:44:12 pm
Bpool.
https://labour.org.uk/manifesto/tackle-poverty-and-inequality/#4it does not state how much it would cost to scrap universal credit the ifs seem to think it will cost billions to start a new benefit system from scratch, again they set a higher living wage that means many people will just give up work as they will be better off on benefits,you say Labour’s plans are not reckless at the minute the ifs say the figures don’t add up would you agree?
Title: Re: What it must be like to be rich and have choices?
Post by: bpoolrover on November 24, 2019, 01:49:40 pm
The free dentist checks is pointless as well, if your on a low wage and child tax you get free dentist anyway, if you don’t get free dentist it’s not the checks that cost a lot of money it’s the work on your teeth, what good is going to the dentist them telling you that you need 500 quid work done and you still don’t have the money to pay for it, if you work part time and get 80 pound housing benefit and 40 pound tax credits to make that person better off you would need to increase there money by over 100 pound a week, how would any government do that?
Title: Re: What it must be like to be rich and have choices?
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on November 24, 2019, 02:02:52 pm
Wages are an interesting subject. Surely you have to pay people well to do jobs that others cannot do? Hence there will always be a gap?  If the minimum goes up then it follows others will and then inflation etc with it?
Title: Re: What it must be like to be rich and have choices?
Post by: wilts rover on November 24, 2019, 02:05:20 pm
The free dental checks are so that dentists can spot problems earlier before they cost £500.

As for what help is being given to the poorest people now - the best and most useful help that can be given to them is by getting rid of the harsh and uncaring government that put them into that poverty.
Title: Re: What it must be like to be rich and have choices?
Post by: Sprotyrover on November 24, 2019, 02:17:46 pm
The free dental checks are so that dentists can spot problems earlier before they cost £500.

As for what help is being given to the poorest people now - the best and most useful help that can be given to them is by getting rid of the harsh and uncaring government that put them into that poverty.
We had a Labour Government for 13 years not so long since what did they do other than piddle money up the wall,and raid pension funds ,and sell off the Countries gold for a pitance!
Title: Re: What it must be like to be rich and have choices?
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on November 24, 2019, 02:21:36 pm
Wages are an interesting subject. Surely you have to pay people well to do jobs that others cannot do? Hence there will always be a gap?  If the minimum goes up then it follows others will and then inflation etc with it?

BFYP.

Yes, of course. The point is that there must be brakes on how much the very richest take.

The fact that their takes has grown uncontrolled for 40 years is the basic reason why we have such poverty at the bottom end.

We CAN change this. Just needs the will.
Title: Re: What it must be like to be rich and have choices?
Post by: Herbert Anchovy on November 24, 2019, 02:56:19 pm
What are Labour going to do about the workshy under class?
Let em get pregnant at 16 give them a three bed Council house,
Pay em the equivalent of the the minimum wage, so the can bring little, Tyler etc up to be drug dealers?

Let me guess - You’re retired, have a nice pension, nice house, admire Mrs Thatcher for standing up to those pesky Unions, admire Boris for standing up to those pesky Europeans,  have never spent any considerable time with the ‘work shy underclass’ and read the Daily Mail/Express?
My Father got himself killed down the Pit, leaving my mother penniless,I had to stand in the free school dinner queue at school every Monday morning, my mum used to hide the Gas poker when she was broke,She was a very poorly lady and I used to get up at 6.30 make the fire in our Yorkshire range using sticks and scrounged newspaper, I had to trudge out to Coal house and our loo In hail rain or snow, the kitchen was just getting warm when I left to walk the 2 miles to school! I used to buy a pack of polo For 2p which was my bus fare,I had one pair of jeans, one pair of trousers, 1 pair of shoes. My school uniform was acquired via a Dhss grant.when I left school I worked very hard and did well for myself. I have always been a public servant and have worked with benefit dependable people all my 38 year working life.
What I have got I have worked for and I resent anybody rich or poor who thinks that everything should be on a plate for them...I bet you are one of those people hey Herbert, mummy and daddy always there to sub you, always prepared to do the least work but expect massive rewards heh!
Typical Socialist!

Well done Sproty, I’m pleased for you. Without turning this into a monty python sketch I had less than a privileged upbringing. At 18 (after my second redundancy) my Dad sat me down and told me that Donny was finished and that the best thing I could do was leave. Taking Norman Tebbits empathetic advice, I got on my bike and moved to London to work on the building sites. Never lived in Donny again. My old man was right, the Tories and their economic policies tore towns like Donny apart. As for help from ‘mummy and daddy’ well I got my train fare and first months rent from them. That’s it. So you’re wrong.

I’ve done ok for myself over the years. I pay a LOT of tax each year to the government and don’t begrudge a penny of it. Because I know that the vast majority of people who rely on state support do so out of circumstance rather than choice. How do I know this? Cos I get off my arse and walk around with my eyes open. I’ve volunteered in soup kitchens and food banks and the people who rely on these are utterly desperate. Often their problems are made worse because of universal credit. They’re not in this position through choice.

Of course there are some who abuse the system, just as there’s wealthy individuals and organisations that also abuse the system, but that’s no reason to reduce or withdraw social benefit. People are literally living in poverty out there as a result of Tory policy. Any vote for the Tories is an endorsement of this.

If giving a shit about the less well off members of society and a refusal to adhere to the right wing stereotype of people on benefits makes me a ‘typical socialist’ then I’m comfortable with that. After all, it’s better to be a typical socialist than a typical Tory. So, put your Daily Mail down and see what life is really like for these people before making silly generalisations.





Title: Re: What it must be like to be rich and have choices?
Post by: Sprotyrover on November 24, 2019, 04:25:08 pm
What are Labour going to do about the workshy under class?
Let em get pregnant at 16 give them a three bed Council house,
Pay em the equivalent of the the minimum wage, so the can bring little, Tyler etc up to be drug dealers?

Let me guess - You’re retired, have a nice pension, nice house, admire Mrs Thatcher for standing up to those pesky Unions, admire Boris for standing up to those pesky Europeans,  have never spent any considerable time with the ‘work shy underclass’ and read the Daily Mail/Express?
My Father got himself killed down the Pit, leaving my mother penniless,I had to stand in the free school dinner queue at school every Monday morning, my mum used to hide the Gas poker when she was broke,She was a very poorly lady and I used to get up at 6.30 make the fire in our Yorkshire range using sticks and scrounged newspaper, I had to trudge out to Coal house and our loo In hail rain or snow, the kitchen was just getting warm when I left to walk the 2 miles to school! I used to buy a pack of polo For 2p which was my bus fare,I had one pair of jeans, one pair of trousers, 1 pair of shoes. My school uniform was acquired via a Dhss grant.when I left school I worked very hard and did well for myself. I have always been a public servant and have worked with benefit dependable people all my 38 year working life.
What I have got I have worked for and I resent anybody rich or poor who thinks that everything should be on a plate for them...I bet you are one of those people hey Herbert, mummy and daddy always there to sub you, always prepared to do the least work but expect massive rewards heh!
Typical Socialist!

Well done Sproty, I’m pleased for you. Without turning this into a monty python sketch I had less than a privileged upbringing. At 18 (after my second redundancy) my Dad sat me down and told me that Donny was finished and that the best thing I could do was leave. Taking Norman Tebbits empathetic advice, I got on my bike and moved to London to work on the building sites. Never lived in Donny again. My old man was right, the Tories and their economic policies tore towns like Donny apart. As for help from ‘mummy and daddy’ well I got my train fare and first months rent from them. That’s it. So you’re wrong.

I’ve done ok for myself over the years. I pay a LOT of tax each year to the government and don’t begrudge a penny of it. Because I know that the vast majority of people who rely on state support do so out of circumstance rather than choice. How do I know this? Cos I get off my arse and walk around with my eyes open. I’ve volunteered in soup kitchens and food banks and the people who rely on these are utterly desperate. Often their problems are made worse because of universal credit. They’re not in this position through choice.

Of course there are some who abuse the system, just as there’s wealthy individuals and organisations that also abuse the system, but that’s no reason to reduce or withdraw social benefit. People are literally living in poverty out there as a result of Tory policy. Any vote for the Tories is an endorsement of this.

If giving a shit about the less well off members of society and a refusal to adhere to the right wing stereotype of people on benefits makes me a ‘typical socialist’ then I’m comfortable with that. After all, it’s better to be a typical socialist than a typical Tory. So, put your Daily Mail down and see what life is really like for these people before making silly generalisations.

Sorry I don't read the Daily mail, the times for me! I've worked on building sites in London too very lucrative, when it came to a Career choice I turned down a job in the Public sector which paid 4 x more . But as it happens I made the right choice.





Title: Re: What it must be like to be rich and have choices?
Post by: i_ateallthepies on November 24, 2019, 04:37:53 pm
What are Labour going to do about the workshy under class?
Let em get pregnant at 16 give them a three bed Council house,
Pay em the equivalent of the the minimum wage, so the can bring little, Tyler etc up to be drug dealers?

Let me guess - You’re retired, have a nice pension, nice house, admire Mrs Thatcher for standing up to those pesky Unions, admire Boris for standing up to those pesky Europeans,  have never spent any considerable time with the ‘work shy underclass’ and read the Daily Mail/Express?
My Father got himself killed down the Pit, leaving my mother penniless,I had to stand in the free school dinner queue at school every Monday morning, my mum used to hide the Gas poker when she was broke,She was a very poorly lady and I used to get up at 6.30 make the fire in our Yorkshire range using sticks and scrounged newspaper, I had to trudge out to Coal house and our loo In hail rain or snow, the kitchen was just getting warm when I left to walk the 2 miles to school! I used to buy a pack of polo For 2p which was my bus fare,I had one pair of jeans, one pair of trousers, 1 pair of shoes. My school uniform was acquired via a Dhss grant.when I left school I worked very hard and did well for myself. I have always been a public servant and have worked with benefit dependable people all my 38 year working life.
What I have got I have worked for and I resent anybody rich or poor who thinks that everything should be on a plate for them...I bet you are one of those people hey Herbert, mummy and daddy always there to sub you, always prepared to do the least work but expect massive rewards heh!
Typical Socialist!

Well done Sproty, I’m pleased for you. Without turning this into a monty python sketch I had less than a privileged upbringing. At 18 (after my second redundancy) my Dad sat me down and told me that Donny was finished and that the best thing I could do was leave. Taking Norman Tebbits empathetic advice, I got on my bike and moved to London to work on the building sites. Never lived in Donny again. My old man was right, the Tories and their economic policies tore towns like Donny apart. As for help from ‘mummy and daddy’ well I got my train fare and first months rent from them. That’s it. So you’re wrong.

I’ve done ok for myself over the years. I pay a LOT of tax each year to the government and don’t begrudge a penny of it. Because I know that the vast majority of people who rely on state support do so out of circumstance rather than choice. How do I know this? Cos I get off my arse and walk around with my eyes open. I’ve volunteered in soup kitchens and food banks and the people who rely on these are utterly desperate. Often their problems are made worse because of universal credit. They’re not in this position through choice.

Of course there are some who abuse the system, just as there’s wealthy individuals and organisations that also abuse the system, but that’s no reason to reduce or withdraw social benefit. People are literally living in poverty out there as a result of Tory policy. Any vote for the Tories is an endorsement of this.

If giving a shit about the less well off members of society and a refusal to adhere to the right wing stereotype of people on benefits makes me a ‘typical socialist’ then I’m comfortable with that. After all, it’s better to be a typical socialist than a typical Tory. So, put your Daily Mail down and see what life is really like for these people before making silly generalisations.

Sorry I don't read the Daily mail, the times for me! I've worked on building sites in London too very lucrative, when it came to a Career choice I turned down a job in the Public sector which paid 4 x more . But as it happens I made the right choice.







Bit of Boris Johnsonery going on there.
Title: Re: What it must be like to be rich and have choices?
Post by: Sprotyrover on November 24, 2019, 06:02:27 pm
What are Labour going to do about the workshy under class?
Let em get pregnant at 16 give them a three bed Council house,
Pay em the equivalent of the the minimum wage, so the can bring little, Tyler etc up to be drug dealers?

Let me guess - You’re retired, have a nice pension, nice house, admire Mrs Thatcher for standing up to those pesky Unions, admire Boris for standing up to those pesky Europeans,  have never spent any considerable time with the ‘work shy underclass’ and read the Daily Mail/Express?
My Father got himself killed down the Pit, leaving my mother penniless,I had to stand in the free school dinner queue at school every Monday morning, my mum used to hide the Gas poker when she was broke,She was a very poorly lady and I used to get up at 6.30 make the fire in our Yorkshire range using sticks and scrounged newspaper, I had to trudge out to Coal house and our loo In hail rain or snow, the kitchen was just getting warm when I left to walk the 2 miles to school! I used to buy a pack of polo For 2p which was my bus fare,I had one pair of jeans, one pair of trousers, 1 pair of shoes. My school uniform was acquired via a Dhss grant.when I left school I worked very hard and did well for myself. I have always been a public servant and have worked with benefit dependable people all my 38 year working life.
What I have got I have worked for and I resent anybody rich or poor who thinks that everything should be on a plate for them...I bet you are one of those people hey Herbert, mummy and daddy always there to sub you, always prepared to do the least work but expect massive rewards heh!
Typical Socialist!

Well done Sproty, I’m pleased for you. Without turning this into a monty python sketch I had less than a privileged upbringing. At 18 (after my second redundancy) my Dad sat me down and told me that Donny was finished and that the best thing I could do was leave. Taking Norman Tebbits empathetic advice, I got on my bike and moved to London to work on the building sites. Never lived in Donny again. My old man was right, the Tories and their economic policies tore towns like Donny apart. As for help from ‘mummy and daddy’ well I got my train fare and first months rent from them. That’s it. So you’re wrong.

I’ve done ok for myself over the years. I pay a LOT of tax each year to the government and don’t begrudge a penny of it. Because I know that the vast majority of people who rely on state support do so out of circumstance rather than choice. How do I know this? Cos I get off my arse and walk around with my eyes open. I’ve volunteered in soup kitchens and food banks and the people who rely on these are utterly desperate. Often their problems are made worse because of universal credit. They’re not in this position through choice.

Of course there are some who abuse the system, just as there’s wealthy individuals and organisations that also abuse the system, but that’s no reason to reduce or withdraw social benefit. People are literally living in poverty out there as a result of Tory policy. Any vote for the Tories is an endorsement of this.

If giving a shit about the less well off members of society and a refusal to adhere to the right wing stereotype of people on benefits makes me a ‘typical socialist’ then I’m comfortable with that. After all, it’s better to be a typical socialist than a typical Tory. So, put your Daily Mail down and see what life is really like for these people before making silly generalisations.

Sorry I don't read the Daily mail, the times for me! I've worked on building sites in London too very lucrative, when it came to a Career choice I turned down a job in the Public sector which paid 4 x more . But as it happens I made the right choice.







Bit of Boris Johnsonery going on there.
Not really when I left school at 16 I had 8 weeks to wait for my proper job to start so My step dad who was working in London got me 5 weeks work putting a new concrete floor into a cold store in Leytonstone, the Company paid our fare down there and full board in a B& B on Romford Road, and I cleared £50 a week when I Started my proper job I was on £18.50 a week take home. I recall my school chums who went down Pit took home £48 once they had done 8 week training.but. I had made my Dad a promises never to work down Pit.
Title: Re: What it must be like to be rich and have choices?
Post by: Draytonian III on November 24, 2019, 07:01:05 pm
I’m one those people on £8:21 an hour, I do have a part time job as well but only 3 hours a week, but by choice I don’t drive, have no children ( that I know of ) and I’m very proud of my working class roots , but I will never vote labour again, I did in the 80’s. When Tony Blair got in he sold the country down the river just like David Cameron did as well, everyone who takes political office be it as an MP or just local or parish council is in it for their on good,fact