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Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on May 15, 2019, 12:46:19 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on May 15, 2019, 12:25:27 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on May 15, 2019, 12:21:11 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on May 15, 2019, 08:10:14 amQuote from: Bentley Bullet on May 12, 2019, 08:32:47 pmIt's because so many people think this country is already well and truly f**ked that they voted Brexit in the first place. And you believe Brexit will unf**k it? If you can't see that Brexit will only make it worse then there's no help for you BB.I hope so because that is what the majority voted for. I guess I'm just one of the majority of people with no common sense.Well the last couple of years of reduced growth combined with Austerity is what would be coming if we do leave so at least everyone will be used to it.Haven’t we faced austerity and low economic growth while a member of the EU?True, and that's with the benefit of being a member of the most wealthy trading bloc on the planet, I wonder what it will be like without that support, HA
Quote from: SydneyRover on May 15, 2019, 12:25:27 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on May 15, 2019, 12:21:11 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on May 15, 2019, 08:10:14 amQuote from: Bentley Bullet on May 12, 2019, 08:32:47 pmIt's because so many people think this country is already well and truly f**ked that they voted Brexit in the first place. And you believe Brexit will unf**k it? If you can't see that Brexit will only make it worse then there's no help for you BB.I hope so because that is what the majority voted for. I guess I'm just one of the majority of people with no common sense.Well the last couple of years of reduced growth combined with Austerity is what would be coming if we do leave so at least everyone will be used to it.Haven’t we faced austerity and low economic growth while a member of the EU?
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on May 15, 2019, 12:21:11 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on May 15, 2019, 08:10:14 amQuote from: Bentley Bullet on May 12, 2019, 08:32:47 pmIt's because so many people think this country is already well and truly f**ked that they voted Brexit in the first place. And you believe Brexit will unf**k it? If you can't see that Brexit will only make it worse then there's no help for you BB.I hope so because that is what the majority voted for. I guess I'm just one of the majority of people with no common sense.Well the last couple of years of reduced growth combined with Austerity is what would be coming if we do leave so at least everyone will be used to it.
Quote from: Not Now Kato on May 15, 2019, 08:10:14 amQuote from: Bentley Bullet on May 12, 2019, 08:32:47 pmIt's because so many people think this country is already well and truly f**ked that they voted Brexit in the first place. And you believe Brexit will unf**k it? If you can't see that Brexit will only make it worse then there's no help for you BB.I hope so because that is what the majority voted for. I guess I'm just one of the majority of people with no common sense.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on May 12, 2019, 08:32:47 pmIt's because so many people think this country is already well and truly f**ked that they voted Brexit in the first place. And you believe Brexit will unf**k it? If you can't see that Brexit will only make it worse then there's no help for you BB.
It's because so many people think this country is already well and truly f**ked that they voted Brexit in the first place.
The referendum was never legally binding and Brexit should never have happended on the back of such a small margin. MPs should have stood their ground and said "we respect the referendum result, obviously people aren't happy with the EU over certain issues so we will commit to enforcing change from within, oh and we're not going to f**king leave because we don't want to see the country f**ked"
Quote from: bobjimwilly on May 15, 2019, 01:49:00 pmThe referendum was never legally binding and Brexit should never have happended on the back of such a small margin. MPs should have stood their ground and said "we respect the referendum result, obviously people aren't happy with the EU over certain issues so we will commit to enforcing change from within, oh and we're not going to f**king leave because we don't want to see the country f**ked"How could they have said they respected the referendum result but as far as carrying it out you can f**k off, we ain't leaving? It was a democratic vote to see what the country wanted. It wasn't a question that the public could get wrong by voting leave against politicians wishes. The government gambled and lost because they were out of touch with public opinion. The result of the majority was the answer, and that should be the end of it.
Quote from: SydneyRover on May 15, 2019, 01:05:43 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on May 15, 2019, 12:46:19 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on May 15, 2019, 12:25:27 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on May 15, 2019, 12:21:11 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on May 15, 2019, 08:10:14 amQuote from: Bentley Bullet on May 12, 2019, 08:32:47 pmIt's because so many people think this country is already well and truly f**ked that they voted Brexit in the first place. And you believe Brexit will unf**k it? If you can't see that Brexit will only make it worse then there's no help for you BB.I hope so because that is what the majority voted for. I guess I'm just one of the majority of people with no common sense.Well the last couple of years of reduced growth combined with Austerity is what would be coming if we do leave so at least everyone will be used to it.Haven’t we faced austerity and low economic growth while a member of the EU?True, and that's with the benefit of being a member of the most wealthy trading bloc on the planet, I wonder what it will be like without that support, HAOr you could argue that EU membership was largely ineffective and we’d have faced those issues whether or not we were members. I can’t pretend to know enough about it to have too much of a definite opinion one way or another. The only thing I do clearly recall was the EU supporting the UK government in its talks to buy cheap imported European coal in the early 90’s after it had decided to close down a large number of pits. I can’t see that the EU helped much there...
Quote from: MachoMadness on May 13, 2019, 03:05:40 pmThe EU are back to being Nazis again. Last week they were the USSR. Next week they'll be that weird cult off the Wicker Man. I can't keep up!It's the same thing. A totalitarian regime trying to bind nations with nothing in common with each other together under one banner and destroy and remnants of national identity.
The EU are back to being Nazis again. Last week they were the USSR. Next week they'll be that weird cult off the Wicker Man. I can't keep up!
Quote from: Axholme Lion on May 13, 2019, 03:22:46 pmQuote from: MachoMadness on May 13, 2019, 03:05:40 pmThe EU are back to being Nazis again. Last week they were the USSR. Next week they'll be that weird cult off the Wicker Man. I can't keep up!It's the same thing. A totalitarian regime trying to bind nations with nothing in common with each other together under one banner and destroy and remnants of national identity.What is our national identity? We're Romans, Vikings, Normans, etc who have a German, Danish, Greek monarchy.
Quote from: bobjimwilly on May 15, 2019, 01:49:00 pmThe referendum was never legally binding and Brexit should never have happended on the back of such a small margin. MPs should have stood their ground and said "we respect the referendum result, obviously people aren't happy with the EU over certain issues so we will commit to enforcing change from within, oh and we're not going to f**king leave because we don't want to see the country f**ked"How could they have said they respected the referendum result but as far as carrying it out you can f**k off, we ain't leaving?
Quote from: wing commander on May 15, 2019, 08:59:28 amQuote from: Not Now Kato on May 15, 2019, 08:10:14 amQuote from: Bentley Bullet on May 12, 2019, 08:32:47 pmIt's because so many people think this country is already well and truly f**ked that they voted Brexit in the first place. And you believe Brexit will unf**k it? If you can't see that Brexit will only make it worse then there's no help for you BB.That's your opinion Kato but its a typical remainers response...I voted Brexit,not on what Johnson or Farage said or immigration..I voted Brexit because as a business owner I was tired of seeing my industry crushed under eu regulations,grants we were paying towards for setting up new factory's in the eu,who don't play by the same rules as we do on workers rights,wages etc etc..it's two one sided and I was tired of having to tell people they were losing there jobs because yet another manufacturing plant had opened up in Poland or Romania offering the same product at much cheaper prices because they didn't have to pay the same level of wages or have the same health and safety etc etc....Couple of questions WC, do you see things being easier to set up a new factory inside the EU if the UK or just England is not in the EU and from your comments regarding health safety and wages would you look to reduce all of them if we go our own way?
Quote from: Not Now Kato on May 15, 2019, 08:10:14 amQuote from: Bentley Bullet on May 12, 2019, 08:32:47 pmIt's because so many people think this country is already well and truly f**ked that they voted Brexit in the first place. And you believe Brexit will unf**k it? If you can't see that Brexit will only make it worse then there's no help for you BB.That's your opinion Kato but its a typical remainers response...I voted Brexit,not on what Johnson or Farage said or immigration..I voted Brexit because as a business owner I was tired of seeing my industry crushed under eu regulations,grants we were paying towards for setting up new factory's in the eu,who don't play by the same rules as we do on workers rights,wages etc etc..it's two one sided and I was tired of having to tell people they were losing there jobs because yet another manufacturing plant had opened up in Poland or Romania offering the same product at much cheaper prices because they didn't have to pay the same level of wages or have the same health and safety etc etc....
Fascinating stats.Despite what some are trying to make us believe the Brexit Party are not the party of the working class. Labour has the largest support among people with an income of under £20k - the Brexit Party are the party of choice for those with an income of over £40k.Help the rich - vote for Faragehttps://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1128657610436227072And what do you know, its not just rich people, its rich people over 55 (like Farage himself then)https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-party-poll-nigel-farage-european-elections-voters-a8913371.htmlHelp the elderly rich get richer - vote for Farage
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on May 15, 2019, 03:05:06 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on May 13, 2019, 03:22:46 pmQuote from: MachoMadness on May 13, 2019, 03:05:40 pmThe EU are back to being Nazis again. Last week they were the USSR. Next week they'll be that weird cult off the Wicker Man. I can't keep up!It's the same thing. A totalitarian regime trying to bind nations with nothing in common with each other together under one banner and destroy and remnants of national identity.What is our national identity? We're Romans, Vikings, Normans, etc who have a German, Danish, Greek monarchy.I think you're making a silly argument going back 1,000 years. Much the same could be said of most countries in Europe.
Neither has WW3, but Cameron, along with other Remoaners have been obsessed with using it to scaremonger over Brexit.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on May 15, 2019, 05:57:29 pmNeither has WW3, but Cameron, along with other Remoaners have been obsessed with using it to scaremonger over Brexit.No BB. They didn't. Various people pointed out the undeniable fact that Europe (Britain very much included) has historically been the most dangerous place in the world, that an explicit aim of the EU has always been to attempt to get us beyond the competitive nationalism that gave us centuries of war, and to point out the dangers of resurgent nationalism. Anyone who says that Brexit would lead directly to WWIII is an idiot. Anyone who ignores the job that the EEC/EC/EU has done in cementing peace and democracy across Europe is an even bigger idiot.
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on May 15, 2019, 01:58:17 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on May 15, 2019, 01:05:43 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on May 15, 2019, 12:46:19 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on May 15, 2019, 12:25:27 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on May 15, 2019, 12:21:11 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on May 15, 2019, 08:10:14 amQuote from: Bentley Bullet on May 12, 2019, 08:32:47 pmIt's because so many people think this country is already well and truly f**ked that they voted Brexit in the first place. And you believe Brexit will unf**k it? If you can't see that Brexit will only make it worse then there's no help for you BB.I hope so because that is what the majority voted for. I guess I'm just one of the majority of people with no common sense.Well the last couple of years of reduced growth combined with Austerity is what would be coming if we do leave so at least everyone will be used to it.Haven’t we faced austerity and low economic growth while a member of the EU?True, and that's with the benefit of being a member of the most wealthy trading bloc on the planet, I wonder what it will be like without that support, HAOr you could argue that EU membership was largely ineffective and we’d have faced those issues whether or not we were members. I can’t pretend to know enough about it to have too much of a definite opinion one way or another. The only thing I do clearly recall was the EU supporting the UK government in its talks to buy cheap imported European coal in the early 90’s after it had decided to close down a large number of pits. I can’t see that the EU helped much there...So, should the EU have supported the democratically elected government of the UK as it did - or work against the democratically elected UK government and try and impose their own policy on the UK...like the sort of organisation a lot of Brexiters accuse it of being?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on May 15, 2019, 07:26:01 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on May 15, 2019, 05:57:29 pmNeither has WW3, but Cameron, along with other Remoaners have been obsessed with using it to scaremonger over Brexit.No BB. They didn't. Various people pointed out the undeniable fact that Europe (Britain very much included) has historically been the most dangerous place in the world, that an explicit aim of the EU has always been to attempt to get us beyond the competitive nationalism that gave us centuries of war, and to point out the dangers of resurgent nationalism. Anyone who says that Brexit would lead directly to WWIII is an idiot. Anyone who ignores the job that the EEC/EC/EU has done in cementing peace and democracy across Europe is an even bigger idiot. I never suggested anyone said Brexit would lead directly to WW3. I said it was used as scaremongering by Cameron, and other Remainers when they said it could bring us closer to a potential WW3.
Fascinating stats.Despite what some are trying to make us believe the Brexit Party are not the party of the working class. Labour has the largest support among people with an income of under £20k - the Brexit Party are the party of choice for those with an income of over £40k.Help the rich - vote for Faragehttps://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1128657610436227072
I'm against what it has always led to in Europe, yes, of course. Aren't you?