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Quote from: Not Now Kato on May 15, 2019, 08:10:14 amQuote from: Bentley Bullet on May 12, 2019, 08:32:47 pmIt's because so many people think this country is already well and truly f**ked that they voted Brexit in the first place. And you believe Brexit will unf**k it? If you can't see that Brexit will only make it worse then there's no help for you BB.I hope so because that is what the majority voted for. I guess I'm just one of the majority of people with no common sense.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on May 12, 2019, 08:32:47 pmIt's because so many people think this country is already well and truly f**ked that they voted Brexit in the first place. And you believe Brexit will unf**k it? If you can't see that Brexit will only make it worse then there's no help for you BB.
It's because so many people think this country is already well and truly f**ked that they voted Brexit in the first place.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on May 15, 2019, 12:21:11 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on May 15, 2019, 08:10:14 amQuote from: Bentley Bullet on May 12, 2019, 08:32:47 pmIt's because so many people think this country is already well and truly f**ked that they voted Brexit in the first place. And you believe Brexit will unf**k it? If you can't see that Brexit will only make it worse then there's no help for you BB.I hope so because that is what the majority voted for. I guess I'm just one of the majority of people with no common sense. So you base your life and your future on hope rather than facts BB? Oh well, takes all sorts I suppose.
some years ago, when I was writing about the EU’s values, it occurred to me that it was too simplistic to think of ‘peace’ as only meaning the absence of war.
But ultimately, the EU is institutionally programmed to favour peace and not the use of military force. Though it can and does leave the challenges of confronting violence directly to other organisations (NATO particularly), the EU signals a pacific intent. And that might be its enduring virtue. The fact that many people are disappointed that it hasn’t done more or enough for the cause of peace perhaps indicates the EU’s potential as a vehicle of the non-violent resolution of conflicts, wherever they occur. And if so, isn’t it better to be at the heart of such an organisation intent on solving violent disputes peacefully and collectively?
Whatever else it may have or have not done, the Union has helped avoid war between the current members of the EU since 1945.
BSTMy point was that we might have been free from war with other countries In our continent, but at what price? Now............ What about France?
Well, it was a question Sydney, but I was kind of aiming it at BST. No disrespect like, but I'm sure he's quite capable of providing his own b*llocks of an answer without you intervening.
The question is relevant in regards to how popular the EU actually is within its membership. It's about the possibility of a lot more people wanting to leave it than we think and not just the UK.Of course, I can't provide any proof that we will be better off if we leave, nobody can. But nobody can provide any proof that we will be worse off either. There is no proof.
Sydney. When have I EVER said we will be better off? I've ALWAYS said that I don't know. There are people far more educated in this type of thing who might be able to FORECAST the outcome, but that's not proof! Neither is it the point. My point is, and always has been, that we voted to leave so we should stop bloody moaning and get on with it.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on May 16, 2019, 12:24:32 amBSTMy point was that we might have been free from war with other countries In our continent, but at what price? Now............ What about France?You totally lost me on that one. What price did that author think we had paid?As for France, 1) I don't know2) I've got no idea why you would ask a question that has nothing remotely to do with what we were discussing.If you want to talk about France, fill your boots.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on May 16, 2019, 09:45:53 amSydney. When have I EVER said we will be better off? I've ALWAYS said that I don't know. There are people far more educated in this type of thing who might be able to FORECAST the outcome, but that's not proof! Neither is it the point. My point is, and always has been, that we voted to leave so we should stop bloody moaning and get on with it.BB, I find it really strange that you (or anyone for that matter) want to persist honouring the results of a vote the result of which came from a corrupt process to the point that it would appear that you are concealing pro brexit views behind it when clearly the experts tell us it will be an unmitigated disaster for the economy with the main recipients of the wrought upon the less well off. Voting is or should be sacrosanct and scrupulously clean there is more than enough doubt over the 2016 poll to have it again.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on May 16, 2019, 10:04:53 amQuote from: Bentley Bullet on May 16, 2019, 12:24:32 amBSTMy point was that we might have been free from war with other countries In our continent, but at what price? Now............ What about France?You totally lost me on that one. What price did that author think we had paid?As for France, 1) I don't know2) I've got no idea why you would ask a question that has nothing remotely to do with what we were discussing.If you want to talk about France, fill your boots. I think the author is suggesting that the price of peace in Europe could be at the cost of neglect in its endeavours to reduce and resolve conflict with countries outside of Europe. I asked you about France because I wondered if it too contained more people with no 'common sense' than those with it, like us in the UK.
I chose France because of the immigrant problems there. It would be interesting to know how all the countries would vote. I suspect the scale of contentment would increase with the countries that are more dependent and gain more benefit from membership.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on May 16, 2019, 10:51:22 amI chose France because of the immigrant problems there. It would be interesting to know how all the countries would vote. I suspect the scale of contentment would increase with the countries that are more dependent and gain more benefit from membership.I think that's highly unlikely. South Yorks has received, and would have continued to receive very large sums of money from the EU. It has been and would have continued to be one of the largest net gainers from membership of the EU. And it voted by a large margin to Leave.
Surely, if we're still paying into the EU, we should still be getting the money?