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Quote from: Bentley Bullet on May 15, 2019, 02:08:55 pmQuote from: bobjimwilly on May 15, 2019, 01:49:00 pmThe referendum was never legally binding and Brexit should never have happended on the back of such a small margin. MPs should have stood their ground and said "we respect the referendum result, obviously people aren't happy with the EU over certain issues so we will commit to enforcing change from within, oh and we're not going to f**king leave because we don't want to see the country f**ked"How could they have said they respected the referendum result but as far as carrying it out you can f**k off, we ain't leaving? Politicians do it all the time, saying that they respect what the people are telling them to do, and then go and do something else. Like with the local elections, and all the pro-brexit parties losing out massively to the pro-remain candidates, and we get May and Corbyn both telling us they respect what the public has said and will press along with Brexit?!?!?
Quote from: bobjimwilly on May 15, 2019, 01:49:00 pmThe referendum was never legally binding and Brexit should never have happended on the back of such a small margin. MPs should have stood their ground and said "we respect the referendum result, obviously people aren't happy with the EU over certain issues so we will commit to enforcing change from within, oh and we're not going to f**king leave because we don't want to see the country f**ked"How could they have said they respected the referendum result but as far as carrying it out you can f**k off, we ain't leaving?
The referendum was never legally binding and Brexit should never have happended on the back of such a small margin. MPs should have stood their ground and said "we respect the referendum result, obviously people aren't happy with the EU over certain issues so we will commit to enforcing change from within, oh and we're not going to f**king leave because we don't want to see the country f**ked"
Quote from: bobjimwilly on May 15, 2019, 03:14:54 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on May 15, 2019, 02:08:55 pmQuote from: bobjimwilly on May 15, 2019, 01:49:00 pmThe referendum was never legally binding and Brexit should never have happended on the back of such a small margin. MPs should have stood their ground and said "we respect the referendum result, obviously people aren't happy with the EU over certain issues so we will commit to enforcing change from within, oh and we're not going to f**king leave because we don't want to see the country f**ked"How could they have said they respected the referendum result but as far as carrying it out you can f**k off, we ain't leaving? Politicians do it all the time, saying that they respect what the people are telling them to do, and then go and do something else. Like with the local elections, and all the pro-brexit parties losing out massively to the pro-remain candidates, and we get May and Corbyn both telling us they respect what the public has said and will press along with Brexit?!?!?Pro-brexit parties losing out? Come on Bob, keep up with events; the Brexit Party never stood in the locals. Wait until next Thursday; they'll muller everybody else, and finally put to bed the myth that Brexit voters are changing their minds.
Well who'd have thought it?Labour's refusal to unambiguously support Remain policies is killing it in the polls.https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/16/labour-brexit-remain-voters-european-electionsI'm a Labour party member but I'm not voting for them next week. Labour's policy on the EU is an utter car crash and has done the unthinkable - rehabilitated the Lib Dems.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on May 16, 2019, 01:12:39 pmWell who'd have thought it?Labour's refusal to unambiguously support Remain policies is killing it in the polls.https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/16/labour-brexit-remain-voters-european-electionsI'm a Labour party member but I'm not voting for them next week. Labour's policy on the EU is an utter car crash and has done the unthinkable - rehabilitated the Lib Dems.Then you are helping Farage.
Labour has a 5% lead in the poll of polls - its highest since January 2014Since the beginning of April there have been 7 polls giving Labour a 9 point lead.https://twitter.com/LeftieStatshttps://twitter.com/britainelectshttps://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUKWho needs facts eh.
Anyway. I thought you didn't trust polls...?
No. We're not in circular arguments. BB questions whether things will improve after we leave.I suggest he looks at what professional economist who have been right consistently predict what will happen.BB says it doesn't matter.That's not circular. That's changing tracks when the argument you start off with runs into the buffers. But, if we're changing tracks on the discussion then fine. Regarding respect for democracy, I have it in bucket loads. Which is why I'm so annoyed about the Leave campaigns not having it in 2016, when they broke the law on a huge scale. I am continually amazed that no Leave supporter seems in the least bit concerned about that. I'm also amazed that they don't seem to be upset about being treated as thick by the prominent Leave supporters who told us one thing before the vote, then switched their arguments 180 degrees once they'd suckered people into voting the way they wanted. Strange thing, this respect for democracy. Almost as if the only thing that matters is winning because it means the other side lost.
For those that missed Marr this morning (which appears to be quite a lot of people giving the lack of coverage in the media & twitterati) Corbyn promised 4 times that any deal that parliament came up with had to be put back to the people in a confirmatory referendum. I dont know how much more explicit or high profile he could be with this change in policy, it's almost as it they dont want to report it.https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/1130052946341838848