Trump

[SydneyRover]

My mind has boggled, thanks SM

[silent majority]

My mind has boggled, thanks SM

Amazing isn't it.

[SydneyRover]

It's verging on the unbelievable.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Jesus wept. This is the President of the USA speaking, not some 70 IQ bed-bound internet fantasist.
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1149345678814060545

Excellent response a few tweets down.

https://mobile.twitter.com/allyonthego/status/1149788539267272709

Well. One certainty. Trump has destroyed the concept of satire. Who's ever going to laugh again at a comedian putting ridiculously surreal words into the mouth of a politician.

[Sandy Lane]

Re the tweet above: This “six more years or 10 or 14” makes me very nervous.  The law was changed after FDR was president to limit a president to two four-year terms.  I’m now seeing things said by him and other republicans in Congress that hint at a longer term, and wonder if they will try to change the law.

Also, some reporters are warning that intelligence has been obtained predicting that foreign interference in the 2020 elections will be like nothing we have experienced before, 10x or more invasive than it was at the 2016 election.

Not only that, but Mitch McConnell and the republicans have blocked legislation which overhauls the voting system in all states which would shore up our IT.  He personally has benefitted from the Russians building a steel plant in Kentucky (the state he represents) which was brokered in a deal with a lobbyist (who was a former congressman who left under a cloud of sexual allegations) who now represents Russian interests and is married to a lawyer who miraculously has now become a judge! Omg. The rabbit hole just gets deeper...

Jesus sobbed and sobbed and sobbed!

Re the Mueller video above, thanks for posting that!  It gives clarity and hope, but also highlights how slowly the wheels of justice turn. 

[BillyStubbsTears]

SL

I think it's inevitable that he'll try to have the two-terms rule over-written. He knows damn well that once he's lost the immunity from prosecution that Office gives him, he's in trouble. The Mueller Report couldn't have been clearer that he'd have been in the dock if he wasn't President.

[Sandy Lane]

Billy, the thing that IS funny and ironic about Trump is that he can’t keep his mouth shut.  He tweets about whatever is on his mind and he can’t keep secrets at all.  That is how he was obstructing justice in plain sight (“I was thinking about Russia when I fired Comey”).  This tweet about his term and the number of years, I agree, is something I think he is going to do. I was hoping I was wrong. But I do hope the media and Dems hear this and figure out what to do.  There was talk earlier on of extending the timeframe for prosecution, but haven’t heard that recently.  Also, does he do it now before the next election in case he loses?  Or wait to see what the polls show about his prospects?  Dangerous times.  I think the biggest surprise for me in all of this is that the corruption is so pervasive and widespread.

[BillyStubbsTears]

It's easy just to shrug your shoulders and ignore these days. But not very long ago, there wouldn't have been many folk support a leading politician saying this.

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1150381394234941448

For the record, the two women he is telling to go back to where they came from were both born in America. Both are elected members of Congress.

And their crime? Pointing out that women in an American internment camp have had to drink water out of toilet bowls.

[wilts rover]

Sorry Billy but I am afraid we are now at the stage where 'Donald Trump makes racist comment' is not news. What would be news is Donald Trump making a non-racist comment (or refusing to endorse Katy Hopkins).

It was four congresswomen btw, one of whom was born in Somalia, the other three all born in America but with non-American heritage. Like errr, Donald Trump.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I know Wilts. But you have to keep calling it out or it really does become normalised. You have to keep pointing out that people who share his views are the minority and on the wrong side of history.

And yeah, I've seen now that it was more than just AOC and Tlaib that he was trolling (I'd seen the two of them on TV last night and assumed his tweet was aimed just at them.) AOC has entirely American heritage by the way. Her mother and paternal grandparents were from Puerto Rico. Which gives her a significantly greater call on American heritage than someone whose mother was from Scotland and paternal grandparents were from Germany. Like...err...Donald J Trump for example.

But, according to Trump supporters...

https://mobile.twitter.com/TtroseFl/status/1150501082046636033

See what I mean about them being on the wrong side of history? With logic like that, I'm struggling to imagine how she operates in the real world.

[wilts rover]

Yes, correct Billy

I notice that Theresa May has finally seen the light and condemned him and the language he uses - a week before she leaves office!

If only you had done that when you first went to meet him and had not further legitimised him and his actions by giving him the honour of a state visit.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/trump-theresa-may-twitter-racist-aoc-ilhan-omar-cortez-a9005121.html

[BillyStubbsTears]

Meanwhile, on the subject of nationality and domicile, the plot thickness in the case of Trump's old mate, Epstein.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DemocracyJourno/status/1150784726615187457

[Boomstick]

It's easy just to shrug your shoulders and ignore these days. But not very long ago, there wouldn't have been many folk support a leading politician saying this.

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1150381394234941448

For the record, the two women he is telling to go back to where they came from were both born in America. Both are elected members of Congress.

And their crime? Pointing out that women in an American internment camp have had to drink water out of toilet bowls.

What have you been told about twisting the facts?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Go on. Which facts have been twisted?

[foxbat]

Trump and Facts on the same page? Is somebody trying to take the p1ss ?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Meanwhile, it appears that in 2016, the Republicans pushed through a change to standing orders in Congress to the effect that in a debate in Congress, no-one is allowed to call the President a racist. Even when he is clearly a racist.

You are watching how it happens right in front of your eyes. No-one comes to power openly announcing that they are going to embrace fascism. It comes in bits. And it is facilitated when ordinary people shrug their shoulders and ignore it.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Go on. Which facts have been twisted?

No response BS?

I'll give you some help.

THIS is twisting facts.

https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/07/15/politics/trump-falsely-accuses-omar-al-qaeda-fact-check/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FSZOsVWf2hS

It's quite breathtaking isn't it? The Leader of the Free World lies in public more than 10 times a day (https://www.google.com/amp/s/beta.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/06/10/president-trump-has-made-false-or-misleading-claims-over-days/%3foutputType=amp) but all he has to do is grunt "Fake Nooos" and he's got a loyal army ready to block out any criticism of him.

I had a colleague who I later found out was fiddling the books at work and having an affair. He used to accuse others of fiddling (they weren't) and regularly told me his wife was playing away (she wasn't). It was like he had to accuse others to normalise his own behaviour. That is exactly what I see in Trump. He knows that he lies more regularly than he shits. So he has to normalise lying. If he can get people believing that no-one is honest and everyone lies, then his lies can be ignored.

Those of you who buy into this, you should be ashamed of yourselves.

[MachoMadness]

I'm not convinced they do buy into it BST. It's more about triggering the lefties.

[Boomstick]

Go on. Which facts have been twisted?

No response BS?

I'll give you some help.

THIS is twisting facts.

https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/07/15/politics/trump-falsely-accuses-omar-al-qaeda-fact-check/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FSZOsVWf2hS

It's quite breathtaking isn't it? The Leader of the Free World lies in public more than 10 times a day (https://www.google.com/amp/s/beta.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/06/10/president-trump-has-made-false-or-misleading-claims-over-days/%3foutputType=amp) but all he has to do is grunt "Fake Nooos" and he's got a loyal army ready to block out any criticism of him.

I had a colleague who I later found out was fiddling the books at work and having an affair. He used to accuse others of fiddling (they weren't) and regularly told me his wife was playing away (she wasn't). It was like he had to accuse others to normalise his own behaviour. That is exactly what I see in Trump. He knows that he lies more regularly than he shits. So he has to normalise lying. If he can get people believing that no-one is honest and everyone lies, then his lies can be ignored.

Those of you who buy into this, you should be ashamed of yourselves.

There's 4 of them not 2 as you claim.
Trump was referring to the 2 NOT born in the USA.
As for why he doesn't like them, there's alot more 2 it than what you claim.
For instance their policies on Israel, and their far left views.

[SydneyRover]

Go on. Which facts have been twisted?

No response BS?

I'll give you some help.

THIS is twisting facts.

https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/07/15/politics/trump-falsely-accuses-omar-al-qaeda-fact-check/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FSZOsVWf2hS

It's quite breathtaking isn't it? The Leader of the Free World lies in public more than 10 times a day (https://www.google.com/amp/s/beta.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/06/10/president-trump-has-made-false-or-misleading-claims-over-days/%3foutputType=amp) but all he has to do is grunt "Fake Nooos" and he's got a loyal army ready to block out any criticism of him.

I had a colleague who I later found out was fiddling the books at work and having an affair. He used to accuse others of fiddling (they weren't) and regularly told me his wife was playing away (she wasn't). It was like he had to accuse others to normalise his own behaviour. That is exactly what I see in Trump. He knows that he lies more regularly than he shits. So he has to normalise lying. If he can get people believing that no-one is honest and everyone lies, then his lies can be ignored.

Those of you who buy into this, you should be ashamed of yourselves.

There's 4 of them not 2 as you claim.
Trump was referring to the 2 NOT born in the USA.
As for why he doesn't like them, there's alot more 2 it than what you claim.
For instance their policies on Israel, and their far left views.

Sometimes it's probably better just not to say anything

[BillyStubbsTears]

BS.

Facts. You need to get them right.

I corrected my misunderstanding about it being 4 rather than 2. That's what you do when you get something wrong. You correct it.
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=270698.msg880451#msg880451


Now. Onto YOUR facts.
ONE of those 4 was born outside the USA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashida_Tlaib Tlaib. Born in the USA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandria_Ocasio-Cortez Ocasio-Cortez. Born in the USA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayanna_Pressley Pressley. Born in the USA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilhan_Omar Omar. Born in Somalia. Moved to USA as a refugee at 12 years old.

Trump was talking about Congresswomen. Plural. He lumped the lot of them in when he said "Why don’t they ("THEY", not "SHE", note) go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came." Where the f**k exactly was he suggesting that people born in America go back to? And why should it even dawn on his that they are not Americans?

This is the Leader of the Free World normalising the sort of attitudes and language that have been confined to far-right racists for two generations. He's basically saying if you're from a different ethnic heritage, you don't belong there. Whether that's a deliberate decision to classify them as "the other" or whether it's just a lazy "They've got funny skin colour, they must be from somewhere else" attitude is neither here nor there.

You've got two choices when you see this. You confront this attitude or you justify it. Depends on which side of history you want your grandkids to see you.

[wilts rover]

There's 4 of them not 2 as you claim.
Trump was referring to the 2 NOT born in the USA.
As for why he doesn't like them, there's alot more 2 it than what you claim.
For instance their policies on Israel, and their far left views.

Hmm, interesting post as always BS. So:

-which 2 were NOT born in the USA?
-is he correct in his condemnation of Ocasio-Cortez (born in New York, 12 miles from where Trump himself was born) for her policy on Israel, which appears to be critisim of the Israeli government shooting 190 unarmed protestors in Gaza that is under investigation by the UN as a war crime
-which dangerous far left views are you referring to other than children should not be separated from their parents and locked up in cages/ the country would benefit from universal free healthcare (such as exists in Britain with the NHS)

[Boomstick]

BS.

Facts. You need to get them right.

I corrected my misunderstanding about it being 4 rather than 2. That's what you do when you get something wrong. You correct it.
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=270698.msg880451#msg880451


Now. Onto YOUR facts.
ONE of those 4 was born outside the USA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashida_Tlaib Tlaib. Born in the USA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandria_Ocasio-Cortez Ocasio-Cortez. Born in the USA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayanna_Pressley Pressley. Born in the USA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilhan_Omar Omar. Born in Somalia. Moved to USA as a refugee at 12 years old.

Trump was talking about Congresswomen. Plural. He lumped the lot of them in when he said "Why don’t they ("THEY", not "SHE", note) go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came." Where the f**k exactly was he suggesting that people born in America go back to? And why should it even dawn on his that they are not Americans?

This is the Leader of the Free World normalising the sort of attitudes and language that have been confined to far-right racists for two generations. He's basically saying if you're from a different ethnic heritage, you don't belong there. Whether that's a deliberate decision to classify them as "the other" or whether it's just a lazy "They've got funny skin colour, they must be from somewhere else" attitude is neither here nor there.

You've got two choices when you see this. You confront this attitude or you justify it. Depends on which side of history you want your grandkids to see you.

OK then 1 not 2.
Substitute they for her, slight slip of the keyboard maybe.

As for the reasons for trumps outburst, there still is a hell of alot more to it than you claim.

[Glyn_Wigley]

But you don't want to educate us all as to what the 'hell of a lot more' is?.

[BillyStubbsTears]

See BS.

You're doing it. Excusing it. Normalising it.

It WASN'T a slip of the keyboard was it?

Because he said Congresswomen (plural). He said they came from countries (plural) that had governments (plural) that were among the most corrupt in the world. He said, "Why don’t they (plural) go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places (plural) from which they (plural) came."
He said "These (plural) places (plural) need your help."

So it wasn't a slip of the keyboard was it?

Look, if you're on his side, at least be man enough to embrace what he is. Don't try to explain it away and say it's a misunderstanding. Read what he said. Then look in the mirror and ask yourself which side you want to be on.

[Boomstick]

Obviously he genuinely thought they all came from abroad.
Maybe his biggest mistake here was not realising they didn't.

[wilts rover]

Now you are getting somewhere Boomstick - because you are thinking about what he said and why he said it. Here are some more pointers to help you on your way.

There are several people in congress who were born abroad, one or two who came from countries that match Trump's description. Why did he not refer to any of these people who more accurately fit his tweet?

What single characteristic do those four women have in common?

Why connection has this incident with the release of a video today showing Trump at a party in his house with a convicted paedophile?

[SydneyRover]

Obviously he genuinely thought they all came from abroad.
Maybe his biggest mistake here was not realising they didn't.

More likely he doesn't care what he says and who he denigrates and he's a big dumb shit.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Obviously he genuinely thought they all came from abroad.
Maybe his biggest mistake here was not realising they didn't.

You might think it's obvious he genuinely thought that.

I think it's obvious he doesn't give a shit whether they do or not.

PS Still waiting for you to enlighten us what the 'hell of a lot more' is.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Alright BS. I'll buy that.

He didn't know where they came from. So presumably when he wrote this...
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1150381394234941448
...he was just guessing? He just assumed they came from (what he has previously called) shithouse countries because...

...well, because why? What is it about those 4 that might make a racist assume they come from shithouse countries?

Have some pride in yourself man. If you want to support a racist, support him. Stop debasing yourself by making stupid excuses for him.