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Hound. Find evidence of me mocking anyone. I hardly ever post on here. Disagree strongly yes. I didn't fall out with my brother, only nearly. I feel passionately about Johnson being exposed for what he is, and always has been. On other subjects I'm not too bothered either way. And stop calling BST my leader. Can't help you're usual bit of sh*t stirring can you?
Quote from: Ldr on February 01, 2022, 08:02:28 amTT is the kind of person who really puts me off the Labour partyGoodNo surprise to see the yapping hound feels the same.
TT is the kind of person who really puts me off the Labour party
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on February 01, 2022, 01:43:40 pmBack on the topic of truth, standards and decency in politics.Raab was wheeled out on R4 this morning to protect Big Dog.He was asked if he would dare repeat Johnson's disgusting dig that Starmer had protected Jimmy Savile. Bearing in mind that you can't be prosecuted for slander for what you say in the House, but you can if you repeat it outside.Raab declined. The interviewer asked him if he would therefore criticise Johnson for saying it in Parliament.Can you guess how he replied?He said accusations like that were (and I quote) "part of the cut and thrust of Parliamentary debate."Just read that again.The Deputy PM things wrongly accusing your opponent of protecting a serial paedophile is fair game. Imagine senior people in the Thatcher or Major or even Cameron Govts acting like this? What the f**king hell has happened to standards? Truth? Common f**king decency? Nye Bevan was nearly right all those years ago. SOME Tories truly are lower than vermin. What’s the difference between that and ‘Scumgate’?
Back on the topic of truth, standards and decency in politics.Raab was wheeled out on R4 this morning to protect Big Dog.He was asked if he would dare repeat Johnson's disgusting dig that Starmer had protected Jimmy Savile. Bearing in mind that you can't be prosecuted for slander for what you say in the House, but you can if you repeat it outside.Raab declined. The interviewer asked him if he would therefore criticise Johnson for saying it in Parliament.Can you guess how he replied?He said accusations like that were (and I quote) "part of the cut and thrust of Parliamentary debate."Just read that again.The Deputy PM things wrongly accusing your opponent of protecting a serial paedophile is fair game. Imagine senior people in the Thatcher or Major or even Cameron Govts acting like this? What the f**king hell has happened to standards? Truth? Common f**king decency? Nye Bevan was nearly right all those years ago. SOME Tories truly are lower than vermin.
Quote from: belton rover on February 01, 2022, 02:38:29 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on February 01, 2022, 01:43:40 pmBack on the topic of truth, standards and decency in politics.Raab was wheeled out on R4 this morning to protect Big Dog.He was asked if he would dare repeat Johnson's disgusting dig that Starmer had protected Jimmy Savile. Bearing in mind that you can't be prosecuted for slander for what you say in the House, but you can if you repeat it outside.Raab declined. The interviewer asked him if he would therefore criticise Johnson for saying it in Parliament.Can you guess how he replied?He said accusations like that were (and I quote) "part of the cut and thrust of Parliamentary debate."Just read that again.The Deputy PM things wrongly accusing your opponent of protecting a serial paedophile is fair game. Imagine senior people in the Thatcher or Major or even Cameron Govts acting like this? What the f**king hell has happened to standards? Truth? Common f**king decency? Nye Bevan was nearly right all those years ago. SOME Tories truly are lower than vermin. What’s the difference between that and ‘Scumgate’?One of them made a comment in public and took full responsibilty and any consequences that came from it.The other refused to either repeat or disclaim a known far-right lie in public, despite several promtings.And it will get worse - history tells us that.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on February 01, 2022, 01:43:40 pmBack on the topic of truth, standards and decency in politics.Raab was wheeled out on R4 this morning to protect Big Dog.He was asked if he would dare repeat Johnson's disgusting dig that Starmer had protected Jimmy Savile. Bearing in mind that you can't be prosecuted for slander for what you say in the House, but you can if you repeat it outside.Raab declined. The interviewer asked him if he would therefore criticise Johnson for saying it in Parliament.Can you guess how he replied?He said accusations like that were (and I quote) "part of the cut and thrust of Parliamentary debate."Just read that again.The Deputy PM things wrongly accusing your opponent of protecting a serial paedophile is fair game. Imagine senior people in the Thatcher or Major or even Cameron Govts acting like this? What the f**king hell has happened to standards? Truth? Common f**king decency? Nye Bevan was nearly right all those years ago. SOME Tories truly are lower than vermin. What’s the difference between that and ‘Scumgate’?
Back on the topic of truth, standards and decency in politics.Raab was wheeled out on R4 this morning to protect Big Dog.He was asked if he would dare repeat Johnson's disgusting dig that Starmer had protected Jimmy Savile. Bearing in mind that you can't be prosecuted for slander for what you say in the House, but you can if you repeat it outside.Raab declined. The interviewer asked him if he would therefore criticise Johnson for saying it in Parliament.Can you guess how he replied?He said accusations like that were (and I quote) "part of the cut and thrust of Parliamentary debate."Just read that again.The Deputy PM things wrongly accusing your opponent of protecting a serial paedophile is fair game. Imagine senior people in the Thatcher or Major or even Cameron Govts acting like this? What the f**king hell has happened to standards? Truth? Common f**king decency? Nye Bevan was nearly right all those years ago. SOME Tories truly are lower than vermin.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on February 01, 2022, 10:40:42 amQuote from: tommy toes on February 01, 2022, 10:32:38 amQuote from: belton rover on February 01, 2022, 10:25:37 amQuote from: tommy toes on February 01, 2022, 12:27:27 amMy older brother voted Tory for the first time at the last election, simply because he was seduced by the Johnson rhetoric and charm. We nearly fell out as I called him a fool, telling him that Johnson was a liar and a charlatan who couldn't lay straight in in bed.Well he rang me tonight and apologised for his mistake, which is massive for him as he's always known better than me in his opinion.Who knows, BB might be next. Maybe he just felt there was no point in having rational debate with you because you believe that anyone who doesn’t think like you is a fool.Look, I among many others knew what Johnson was like and predicted it at the time and told my brother then.Ive been wrong and foolish on many occasions but on this occasion he was and I told him so.Doesn't mean him, or you for that matter, are serial fools. Here's a serious problem.When we try to discuss things in here, the interaction frequently goes down a rabbit hole of which this is a perfect example.Examples are given of where people got specific calls wrong (believing Brexit would be economically beneficial, believing Johnson would be an honest, decent PM). Then that gets extrapolated by people who don't like that argument into somehow meaning that the person making it thinks everything the other side believes is stupid or knowingly held in bad faith.It destroys grown up discussion, because it immediately puts people in opposing trenches where they refuse to listen to anything the other side puts forward.Johnson has had the most difficult job as PM in history. He hasn't had the chance to show his true effectiveness yet. How do we know yet that Brexit won't be economically beneficial to us? You see, No, in fact, you don't see, there are so many things you use as ammunition for your attacks that are so misleading, it's hard to know where to begin. Maybe sometimes you'd be better just firing offensive insults and skipping the bullshit.
Quote from: tommy toes on February 01, 2022, 10:32:38 amQuote from: belton rover on February 01, 2022, 10:25:37 amQuote from: tommy toes on February 01, 2022, 12:27:27 amMy older brother voted Tory for the first time at the last election, simply because he was seduced by the Johnson rhetoric and charm. We nearly fell out as I called him a fool, telling him that Johnson was a liar and a charlatan who couldn't lay straight in in bed.Well he rang me tonight and apologised for his mistake, which is massive for him as he's always known better than me in his opinion.Who knows, BB might be next. Maybe he just felt there was no point in having rational debate with you because you believe that anyone who doesn’t think like you is a fool.Look, I among many others knew what Johnson was like and predicted it at the time and told my brother then.Ive been wrong and foolish on many occasions but on this occasion he was and I told him so.Doesn't mean him, or you for that matter, are serial fools. Here's a serious problem.When we try to discuss things in here, the interaction frequently goes down a rabbit hole of which this is a perfect example.Examples are given of where people got specific calls wrong (believing Brexit would be economically beneficial, believing Johnson would be an honest, decent PM). Then that gets extrapolated by people who don't like that argument into somehow meaning that the person making it thinks everything the other side believes is stupid or knowingly held in bad faith.It destroys grown up discussion, because it immediately puts people in opposing trenches where they refuse to listen to anything the other side puts forward.
Quote from: belton rover on February 01, 2022, 10:25:37 amQuote from: tommy toes on February 01, 2022, 12:27:27 amMy older brother voted Tory for the first time at the last election, simply because he was seduced by the Johnson rhetoric and charm. We nearly fell out as I called him a fool, telling him that Johnson was a liar and a charlatan who couldn't lay straight in in bed.Well he rang me tonight and apologised for his mistake, which is massive for him as he's always known better than me in his opinion.Who knows, BB might be next. Maybe he just felt there was no point in having rational debate with you because you believe that anyone who doesn’t think like you is a fool.Look, I among many others knew what Johnson was like and predicted it at the time and told my brother then.Ive been wrong and foolish on many occasions but on this occasion he was and I told him so.Doesn't mean him, or you for that matter, are serial fools.
Quote from: tommy toes on February 01, 2022, 12:27:27 amMy older brother voted Tory for the first time at the last election, simply because he was seduced by the Johnson rhetoric and charm. We nearly fell out as I called him a fool, telling him that Johnson was a liar and a charlatan who couldn't lay straight in in bed.Well he rang me tonight and apologised for his mistake, which is massive for him as he's always known better than me in his opinion.Who knows, BB might be next. Maybe he just felt there was no point in having rational debate with you because you believe that anyone who doesn’t think like you is a fool.
My older brother voted Tory for the first time at the last election, simply because he was seduced by the Johnson rhetoric and charm. We nearly fell out as I called him a fool, telling him that Johnson was a liar and a charlatan who couldn't lay straight in in bed.Well he rang me tonight and apologised for his mistake, which is massive for him as he's always known better than me in his opinion.Who knows, BB might be next.
Quote from: wilts rover on February 01, 2022, 03:40:38 pmQuote from: belton rover on February 01, 2022, 02:38:29 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on February 01, 2022, 01:43:40 pmBack on the topic of truth, standards and decency in politics.Raab was wheeled out on R4 this morning to protect Big Dog.He was asked if he would dare repeat Johnson's disgusting dig that Starmer had protected Jimmy Savile. Bearing in mind that you can't be prosecuted for slander for what you say in the House, but you can if you repeat it outside.Raab declined. The interviewer asked him if he would therefore criticise Johnson for saying it in Parliament.Can you guess how he replied?He said accusations like that were (and I quote) "part of the cut and thrust of Parliamentary debate."Just read that again.The Deputy PM things wrongly accusing your opponent of protecting a serial paedophile is fair game. Imagine senior people in the Thatcher or Major or even Cameron Govts acting like this? What the f**king hell has happened to standards? Truth? Common f**king decency? Nye Bevan was nearly right all those years ago. SOME Tories truly are lower than vermin. What’s the difference between that and ‘Scumgate’?One of them made a comment in public and took full responsibilty and any consequences that came from it.The other refused to either repeat or disclaim a known far-right lie in public, despite several promtings.And it will get worse - history tells us that.As I explained to Filo, Wilts, my point was about her fellow party members’ responses when asked by the media, which was the point of Billy’s post.For the record, I agree with what Billy said about Raab, but I felt the hypocrisy needed highlighting.
Quote from: belton rover on February 01, 2022, 02:38:29 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on February 01, 2022, 01:43:40 pmBack on the topic of truth, standards and decency in politics.Raab was wheeled out on R4 this morning to protect Big Dog.He was asked if he would dare repeat Johnson's disgusting dig that Starmer had protected Jimmy Savile. Bearing in mind that you can't be prosecuted for slander for what you say in the House, but you can if you repeat it outside.Raab declined. The interviewer asked him if he would therefore criticise Johnson for saying it in Parliament.Can you guess how he replied?He said accusations like that were (and I quote) "part of the cut and thrust of Parliamentary debate."Just read that again.The Deputy PM things wrongly accusing your opponent of protecting a serial paedophile is fair game. Imagine senior people in the Thatcher or Major or even Cameron Govts acting like this? What the f**king hell has happened to standards? Truth? Common f**king decency? Nye Bevan was nearly right all those years ago. SOME Tories truly are lower than vermin. What’s the difference between that and ‘Scumgate’?One of them made a comment in public and took full responsibilty and any consequences that came from it.The other refused to either repeat or disclaim a known far-right lie in public, despite several promtings.And it will get worse - history tells us that.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on February 01, 2022, 01:43:40 pmBack on the topic of truth, standards and decency in politics.Raab was wheeled out on R4 this morning to protect Big Dog.He was asked if he would dare repeat Johnson's disgusting dig that Starmer had protected Jimmy Savile. Bearing in mind that you can't be prosecuted for slander for what you say in the House, but you can if you repeat it outside.Raab declined. The interviewer asked him if he would therefore criticise Johnson for saying it in Parliament.Can you guess how he replied?He said accusations like that were (and I quote) "part of the cut and thrust of Parliamentary debate."Just read that again.The Deputy PM things wrongly accusing your opponent of protecting a serial paedophile is fair game. Imagine senior people in the Thatcher or Major or even Cameron Govts acting like this? What the f**king hell has happened to standards? Truth? Common f**king decency? Nye Bevan was nearly right all those years ago. SOME Tories truly are lower than vermin. What’s the difference between that and ‘Scumgate’?
Back on the topic of truth, standards and decency in politics.Raab was wheeled out on R4 this morning to protect Big Dog.He was asked if he would dare repeat Johnson's disgusting dig that Starmer had protected Jimmy Savile. Bearing in mind that you can't be prosecuted for slander for what you say in the House, but you can if you repeat it outside.Raab declined. The interviewer asked him if he would therefore criticise Johnson for saying it in Parliament.Can you guess how he replied?He said accusations like that were (and I quote) "part of the cut and thrust of Parliamentary debate."Just read that again.The Deputy PM things wrongly accusing your opponent of protecting a serial paedophile is fair game. Imagine senior people in the Thatcher or Major or even Cameron Govts acting like this? What the f**king hell has happened to standards? Truth? Common f**king decency? Nye Bevan was nearly right all those years ago. SOME Tories truly are lower than vermin.
Quote from: belton rover on February 01, 2022, 02:38:29 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on February 01, 2022, 01:43:40 pmBack on the topic of truth, standards and decency in politics.Raab was wheeled out on R4 this morning to protect Big Dog.He was asked if he would dare repeat Johnson's disgusting dig that Starmer had protected Jimmy Savile. Bearing in mind that you can't be prosecuted for slander for what you say in the House, but you can if you repeat it outside.Raab declined. The interviewer asked him if he would therefore criticise Johnson for saying it in Parliament.Can you guess how he replied?He said accusations like that were (and I quote) "part of the cut and thrust of Parliamentary debate."Just read that again.The Deputy PM things wrongly accusing your opponent of protecting a serial paedophile is fair game. Imagine senior people in the Thatcher or Major or even Cameron Govts acting like this? What the f**king hell has happened to standards? Truth? Common f**king decency? Nye Bevan was nearly right all those years ago. SOME Tories truly are lower than vermin. What’s the difference between that and ‘Scumgate’?Rayner has said it outside of the House, Raab daren’t repeat Johnsons words outside of the House
Quote from: Filo on February 01, 2022, 02:51:01 pmQuote from: belton rover on February 01, 2022, 02:38:29 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on February 01, 2022, 01:43:40 pmBack on the topic of truth, standards and decency in politics.Raab was wheeled out on R4 this morning to protect Big Dog.He was asked if he would dare repeat Johnson's disgusting dig that Starmer had protected Jimmy Savile. Bearing in mind that you can't be prosecuted for slander for what you say in the House, but you can if you repeat it outside.Raab declined. The interviewer asked him if he would therefore criticise Johnson for saying it in Parliament.Can you guess how he replied?He said accusations like that were (and I quote) "part of the cut and thrust of Parliamentary debate."Just read that again.The Deputy PM things wrongly accusing your opponent of protecting a serial paedophile is fair game. Imagine senior people in the Thatcher or Major or even Cameron Govts acting like this? What the f**king hell has happened to standards? Truth? Common f**king decency? Nye Bevan was nearly right all those years ago. SOME Tories truly are lower than vermin. What’s the difference between that and ‘Scumgate’?Rayner has said it outside of the House, Raab daren’t repeat Johnsons words outside of the HouseFiloI'd hazard a guess that Belton is having a pop at my choice of phrase and comparing that to what Rayner said.For the record, I stand by what I said. For senior politicians to make false accusations that another politician knowingly chose to protect a paedophile, and for that to be passed off as "Parliamentary cut and thrust" is utterly disgusting and it needs calling out as such.EDIT. Just seen Belton's response to Wilts, so hands up - I misread what he was saying.So the comparison is Rayner vs Johnson and the reaction of colleagues.1) Rayner was calling "scum" comment was aimed at a party that elected a man who had a history of unretracted racist statements to his name, and had publicly called gay men "tank top wearing bum boys". Rayner offered to retract her statement if Johnson did.2) I personally thought she was stupid to use such an insult, and absolutely stupid to apply it to all Tories, but to be frank, is difficult to argue that it doesn't apply to Johnson's career long behaviour.3) Starmer didn't defend Rayner. he publicly rebuked her and smacked her down over the next few weeks.4) Comparing any of the above to the PM chucking out a revolting untrue slur under Parliamentary Privilege, then having his deputy condone it is what you do when you are determined to take bothsidesism to the edge of credulity.
Quote from: belton rover on February 01, 2022, 02:38:29 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on February 01, 2022, 01:43:40 pmBack on the topic of truth, standards and decency in politics.Raab was wheeled out on R4 this morning to protect Big Dog.He was asked if he would dare repeat Johnson's disgusting dig that Starmer had protected Jimmy Savile. Bearing in mind that you can't be prosecuted for slander for what you say in the House, but you can if you repeat it outside.Raab declined. The interviewer asked him if he would therefore criticise Johnson for saying it in Parliament.Can you guess how he replied?He said accusations like that were (and I quote) "part of the cut and thrust of Parliamentary debate."Just read that again.The Deputy PM things wrongly accusing your opponent of protecting a serial paedophile is fair game. Imagine senior people in the Thatcher or Major or even Cameron Govts acting like this? What the f**king hell has happened to standards? Truth? Common f**king decency? Nye Bevan was nearly right all those years ago. SOME Tories truly are lower than vermin. What’s the difference between that and ‘Scumgate’?Rayner has said it outside of the House, Raab daren’t repeat Johnsons words outside of the House
Quote from: tommy toes on February 01, 2022, 12:21:00 pmHound. Find evidence of me mocking anyone. I hardly ever post on here. Disagree strongly yes. I didn't fall out with my brother, only nearly. I feel passionately about Johnson being exposed for what he is, and always has been. On other subjects I'm not too bothered either way. And stop calling BST my leader. Can't help you're usual bit of sh*t stirring can you? TT, speaking of shit stirring, it was you who brought me into the conversation with your comment below.You did that with the intention of baiting, which sadly I took this time, so don’t preach on here about shit stirring when you do the exact same thing.I see that you picked up a like from a troll too.Quote from: tommy toes on February 01, 2022, 08:46:04 amQuote from: Ldr on February 01, 2022, 08:02:28 amTT is the kind of person who really puts me off the Labour partyGoodNo surprise to see the yapping hound feels the same.
Hound. Find evidence of me mocking anyone. I hardly ever post on here. Disagree strongly yes. I didn't fall out with my brother, only nearly. I feel passionately about Johnson being exposed for what he is, and always has been. On other subjects I'm not too bothered either way. And stop calling BST my leader. Can't help you're usual bit of sh*t stirring can you?
Quote from: drfchound on February 01, 2022, 03:40:05 pmQuote from: tommy toes on February 01, 2022, 12:21:00 pmHound. Find evidence of me mocking anyone. I hardly ever post on here. Disagree strongly yes. I didn't fall out with my brother, only nearly. I feel passionately about Johnson being exposed for what he is, and always has been. On other subjects I'm not too bothered either way. And stop calling BST my leader. Can't help you're usual bit of sh*t stirring can you? TT, speaking of shit stirring, it was you who brought me into the conversation with your comment below.You did that with the intention of baiting, which sadly I took this time, so don’t preach on here about shit stirring when you do the exact same thing.I see that you picked up a like from a troll too.Quote from: tommy toes on February 01, 2022, 08:46:04 amQuote from: Ldr on February 01, 2022, 08:02:28 amTT is the kind of person who really puts me off the Labour partyGoodNo surprise to see the yapping hound feels the same.I wouldn't have mentioned you at all if you hadn't liked Ldr's post.I had no intention to bait you. Couldn't care less what you post.
So when the most unoriginal, boring trolling poster likes a post that disparages me I should not respond eh?
And that's why I called you the yapping hound. You run along at the side of others egging them on.Nothing constructive to say for yourself.
Quote from: tommy toes on February 01, 2022, 06:42:45 pmAnd that's why I called you the yapping hound. You run along at the side of others egging them on.Nothing constructive to say for yourself.Still picking up the stainy troll.
Quote from: drfchound on February 01, 2022, 10:30:00 pmQuote from: tommy toes on February 01, 2022, 06:42:45 pmAnd that's why I called you the yapping hound. You run along at the side of others egging them on.Nothing constructive to say for yourself.Still picking up the stainy troll.Knew I’d get the bite, but that aside you done this before with me, the difference is you cry like a baby when you’re pulled up about it, and TT is correct, you’re like the little kid running with the big boys egging them on, nothing else to say, just keep chipping in, it’s pathetic!
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on February 01, 2022, 11:03:45 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on February 01, 2022, 10:40:42 amQuote from: tommy toes on February 01, 2022, 10:32:38 amQuote from: belton rover on February 01, 2022, 10:25:37 amQuote from: tommy toes on February 01, 2022, 12:27:27 amMy older brother voted Tory for the first time at the last election, simply because he was seduced by the Johnson rhetoric and charm. We nearly fell out as I called him a fool, telling him that Johnson was a liar and a charlatan who couldn't lay straight in in bed.Well he rang me tonight and apologised for his mistake, which is massive for him as he's always known better than me in his opinion.Who knows, BB might be next. Maybe he just felt there was no point in having rational debate with you because you believe that anyone who doesn’t think like you is a fool.Look, I among many others knew what Johnson was like and predicted it at the time and told my brother then.Ive been wrong and foolish on many occasions but on this occasion he was and I told him so.Doesn't mean him, or you for that matter, are serial fools. Here's a serious problem.When we try to discuss things in here, the interaction frequently goes down a rabbit hole of which this is a perfect example.Examples are given of where people got specific calls wrong (believing Brexit would be economically beneficial, believing Johnson would be an honest, decent PM). Then that gets extrapolated by people who don't like that argument into somehow meaning that the person making it thinks everything the other side believes is stupid or knowingly held in bad faith.It destroys grown up discussion, because it immediately puts people in opposing trenches where they refuse to listen to anything the other side puts forward.Johnson has had the most difficult job as PM in history. He hasn't had the chance to show his true effectiveness yet. How do we know yet that Brexit won't be economically beneficial to us? You see, No, in fact, you don't see, there are so many things you use as ammunition for your attacks that are so misleading, it's hard to know where to begin. Maybe sometimes you'd be better just firing offensive insults and skipping the bullshit.Rubbish. Four of them fought World War's in the last century, one of them facing serious threat of invasion with few allies. Blair faced the breakdown of the country's banks and everyone losing their money, Wilson and Heath, oil crises, Major and Thatcher, massive unemployment and home financial crises.How many of them would have skipped COBRA meetings to write a book? Ignored WHO advice to lockdown and introduce testing?He has faced exactly the same problems as every other leader in the world at this time, with arguably greater resources than most of them. He is up there with Trump and Bolsanaro in his response, ignoring the public and looking after his cronies.He is a totally out of his depth liar. Churchill and Thatcher will be looking down in shame.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on February 01, 2022, 10:40:42 amQuote from: tommy toes on February 01, 2022, 10:32:38 amQuote from: belton rover on February 01, 2022, 10:25:37 amQuote from: tommy toes on February 01, 2022, 12:27:27 amMy older brother voted Tory for the first time at the last election, simply because he was seduced by the Johnson rhetoric and charm. We nearly fell out as I called him a fool, telling him that Johnson was a liar and a charlatan who couldn't lay straight in in bed.Well he rang me tonight and apologised for his mistake, which is massive for him as he's always known better than me in his opinion.Who knows, BB might be next. Maybe he just felt there was no point in having rational debate with you because you believe that anyone who doesn’t think like you is a fool.Look, I among many others knew what Johnson was like and predicted it at the time and told my brother then.Ive been wrong and foolish on many occasions but on this occasion he was and I told him so.Doesn't mean him, or you for that matter, are serial fools. Here's a serious problem.When we try to discuss things in here, the interaction frequently goes down a rabbit hole of which this is a perfect example.Examples are given of where people got specific calls wrong (believing Brexit would be economically beneficial, believing Johnson would be an honest, decent PM). Then that gets extrapolated by people who don't like that argument into somehow meaning that the person making it thinks everything the other side believes is stupid or knowingly held in bad faith.It destroys grown up discussion, because it immediately puts people in opposing trenches where they refuse to listen to anything the other side puts forward.Johnson has had the most difficult job as PM in history. He hasn't had the chance to show his true effectiveness yet. How do we know yet that Brexit won't be economically beneficial to us? You see, No, in fact, you don't see, there are so many things you use as ammunition for your attacks that are so misleading, it's hard to know where to begin. Maybe sometimes you'd be better just firing offensive insults and skipping the bullshit.
Quote from: tommy toes on February 01, 2022, 10:32:38 amQuote from: belton rover on February 01, 2022, 10:25:37 amQuote from: tommy toes on February 01, 2022, 12:27:27 amMy older brother voted Tory for the first time at the last election, simply because he was seduced by the Johnson rhetoric and charm. We nearly fell out as I called him a fool, telling him that Johnson was a liar and a charlatan who couldn't lay straight in in bed.Well he rang me tonight and apologised for his mistake, which is massive for him as he's always known better than me in his opinion.Who knows, BB might be next. Maybe he just felt there was no point in having rational debate with you because you believe that anyone who doesn’t think like you is a fool.Look, I among many others knew what Johnson was like and predicted it at the time and told my brother then.Ive been wrong and foolish on many occasions but on this occasion he was and I told him so.Doesn't mean him, or you for that matter, are serial fools. Here's a serious problem.When we try to discuss things in here, the interaction frequently goes down a rabbit hole of which this is a perfect example.Examples are given of where people got specific calls wrong (believing Brexit would be economically beneficial, believing Johnson would be an honest, decent PM). Then that gets extrapolated by people who don't like that argument into somehow meaning that the person making it thinks everything the other side believes is stupid or knowingly held in bad faith.It destroys grown up discussion, because it immediately puts people in opposing trenches where they refuse to listen to anything the other side puts forward.
Quote from: belton rover on February 01, 2022, 10:25:37 amQuote from: tommy toes on February 01, 2022, 12:27:27 amMy older brother voted Tory for the first time at the last election, simply because he was seduced by the Johnson rhetoric and charm. We nearly fell out as I called him a fool, telling him that Johnson was a liar and a charlatan who couldn't lay straight in in bed.Well he rang me tonight and apologised for his mistake, which is massive for him as he's always known better than me in his opinion.Who knows, BB might be next. Maybe he just felt there was no point in having rational debate with you because you believe that anyone who doesn’t think like you is a fool.Look, I among many others knew what Johnson was like and predicted it at the time and told my brother then.Ive been wrong and foolish on many occasions but on this occasion he was and I told him so.Doesn't mean him, or you for that matter, are serial fools.
Quote from: tommy toes on February 01, 2022, 12:27:27 amMy older brother voted Tory for the first time at the last election, simply because he was seduced by the Johnson rhetoric and charm. We nearly fell out as I called him a fool, telling him that Johnson was a liar and a charlatan who couldn't lay straight in in bed.Well he rang me tonight and apologised for his mistake, which is massive for him as he's always known better than me in his opinion.Who knows, BB might be next. Maybe he just felt there was no point in having rational debate with you because you believe that anyone who doesn’t think like you is a fool.
My older brother voted Tory for the first time at the last election, simply because he was seduced by the Johnson rhetoric and charm. We nearly fell out as I called him a fool, telling him that Johnson was a liar and a charlatan who couldn't lay straight in in bed.Well he rang me tonight and apologised for his mistake, which is massive for him as he's always known better than me in his opinion.Who knows, BB might be next.