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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: Bentley Bullet on September 30, 2016, 12:56:59 am
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Apart from Bowie?
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Living- David Gedge
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Mrs. Mills. 🤔
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Mrs. Mills. 🤔
No way - Russ Conway had her fettled !
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Depends on what genre you mean.. Do you mean star performers, or performers turned writer/producer like Mike Batt?
Clapton? McCartney? Weller?
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I think he means pop star, not musician.
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In that case it has to be Macca..
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Phil Collins.
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No definitive answers of course!
British? Hmm. I suppose we're talking performer rather than writer? Eric Clapton would be one for me.
Globally? As a writer and performer I could offer Bob Dylan.
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Really depends on how long your life has been.
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Elton John
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Wendy James
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Johnny Marr
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John Ogdon?
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No definitive answers of course!
British? Hmm. I suppose we're talking performer rather than writer? Eric Clapton would be one for me.
Globally? As a writer and performer I could offer Bob Dylan.
couldn't disagree with your Global choice, SM :thumbsup:
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I'm not a jazz lover in any shape or form but I always enjoyed listening to Stephane Grapelli.
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Wendy James
I'll take your Wendy James and raise you a Claire Grogan!
Another serious answer - Jools Holland.
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Roy Wood can and does play a variety of instruments including bagpipes.
Eric Clapton is probably the best in his field though.
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Wendy James
I'll take your Wendy James and raise you a Claire Grogan!
Another serious answer - Jools Holland.
Clare Grogan wouldn't win the award we're discussing, but I bet I spent more of my teenage years fantasizing over her than I did over anyone else mentioned here.
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Claire Grogan, is a total MILF.
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Kate Bush
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Jeff Lynne (Otis Wilbury) 😀
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Roy Wood can and does play a variety of instruments including bagpipes.
Eric Clapton is probably the best in his field though.
As a guitar player myself I seriously do not understand the hero worship that Clapton gets.
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I'm a bit of a fan of Rory Gallagher. great guitarist. Pisses all over Clapton.
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Some great names chaps. Good memories. Rory Gallagher - one of the two best guitarists I've ever heard (the other was/is Dutch. I bet someone will know him?). Eric Clapton - a real proper, decent human being. Stephane Grapelli, as Glyn says, just awesome. And you can never forget Macca.
I'm torn between Macca and Eric as the best. They're the front runners because they both play and compose good things. They're more creative than a simple songster or wordsmith.
I'll go for Macca - on the basis that he has had a bigger influence on the world rather than simply technical merit.
BobG
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There is only one after Bowie in my lifetime, that is Macca. Jeff Lynn and Roy Wood are giants.
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Some great names chaps. Good memories. Rory Gallagher - one of the two best guitarists I've ever heard (the other was/is Dutch. I bet someone will know him?). Eric Clapton - a real proper, decent human being. Stephane Grapelli, as Glyn says, just awesome. And you can never forget Macca.
I'm torn between Macca and Eric as the best. They're the front runners because they both play and compose good things. They're more creative than a simple songster or wordsmith.
I'll go for Macca - on the basis that he has had a bigger influence on the world rather than simply technical merit.
BobG
As guitarists go, I like Clapton, but for me Gary Moore was awesome and currently the best living one at the moment is Joe Bonamassa
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Come come Filo :):)
The greatest living guitarist is unquestionably Jan Akkerman. No argument at all :)
Cheers
Bob
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As guitarists go, I have never seen a better one than Lindsey Buckingham - live at least.
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Some great names chaps. Good memories. Rory Gallagher - one of the two best guitarists I've ever heard (the other was/is Dutch. I bet someone will know him?). Eric Clapton - a real proper, decent human being. Stephane Grapelli, as Glyn says, just awesome. And you can never forget Macca.
I'm torn between Macca and Eric as the best. They're the front runners because they both play and compose good things. They're more creative than a simple songster or wordsmith.
I'll go for Macca - on the basis that he has had a bigger influence on the world rather than simply technical merit.
BobG
As guitarists go, I like Clapton, but for me Gary Moore was awesome and currently the best living one at the moment is Joe Bonamassa
I've seen them all, several times, and JB is good but not great. Someone described him as a 'thrash' blues guitarist and I know what they mean, he doesn't play with soul unfortunately. He could do with spending some time with John Mayall, he'd sort him out.
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Think it went off topic - are we not discussing British - if so Clapton, Macca or Bowie
Non Brits - Dave Grohl and selfishly Angus Young
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Steven (h) Hogarth, a local connection as well!
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Mark E. Smith. Not a musician, but a genius nonetheless.
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If we are hijacking the original post, as always BTW, I am going for Neil Finn.
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Anybody but Paul McCartney, the main talent in the Beatles was shot by Mark Chapman in December 1980 .
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Petche!! I went to school with Steve Hogarth. We used to sit next to each other in maths and a few other lessons too. He used to live up Avoca Avenue (or something like that if I've remembered it wrongly) in Intake. He lives in Oxford now.
He had 2 drop dead gorgeous sisters too....
Do you remember him being the keyboardist for the Europeans?
BobG
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The greatest living guitarist and no-one has mentioned this guy from Doncaster -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-QZnnaI7rY
AS for greatest musician Robert Fripp of King Crimson, they defined/begun a genre of music and he has always been proper weird - just what you want your rock stars to be.
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Bob, always been a big fan of Marillion even through the transition to present day so only really discovered Steve Hogarth then. Fantastic musicians the lot of them!
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I'm surprised no-one has mentioned Roger Daltry/ Pete Townshend
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Paul Carrack great entertainer and musician pity a Wednesday fan
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At the end of the day, its all down to personal taste, so most everyone will have a different veiw. We British have a rich and varied history of music, and long may it last. Rock on mate.
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John lennon for his performances while alive and his influence during his career and after his death. Greatest showman i have seen though i don't think he qualifies as british, one Farrokh Bulsara-Freddie mercury.
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Petche - if you look SteveH up on his website or on Marillion or any of the fan sites, they've all got his age wrong. He's managed to 'lose' a few years somewhere along the way. I know, incontrovertibly, that he is, right now, exactly 60 years old.
As a keyboardist, he always was whizz. We've not had many of them mentioned in this thread have we? Other than Steve and Rick Wakeman, who else is there that's any good?
As for The Who's band members, the best live shows I've ever, ever, ever seen. But as top of the list individuals? Not for me. I love Daltrey as a singer but there's others just as good in Led Zep and Deep Purple for example. And Pete Townsend? Too much showmanship and playing to the gallery.
Bob
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Best british musician in our lifetime?
Depends on genre - imo jacqueline du pre beats everyone!
The greatest cellist who has ever lived bar none! She was everything a cellist could ever be: dynamic, animated, played all the great cello pieces with pure unadulterated passion and class - google her! Unbelievable power and musical beauty!
Taken from us far too soon - a genius!
But cellists don't rank highly in the lists sadly!
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Well we are one superb keyboardist down this year with the passing of Keith Emerson so off the top of my head of the ones left alive all these can play a bit:
Brian Eno (Roxy Music & solo)
Tim Blake (Gong & Hawkwind)
Harvey Bainbridge (Hawkwind)
Tony Banks (Genesis)
Gary Brooker & Matthew Fisher (Procol Harem)
Robert John Godfrey (The Enid)
Dave Sinclair (Caravan)
Gary Numan
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Jamie Hince "The Kills" isn't a bad guitarist if you like that style of playing, saw them last night at Rock City.
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Well we are one superb keyboardist down this year with the passing of Keith Emerson so off the top of my head of the ones left alive all these can play a bit:
Brian Eno (Roxy Music & solo)
Tim Blake (Gong & Hawkwind)
Harvey Bainbridge (Hawkwind)
Tony Banks (Genesis)
Gary Brooker & Matthew Fisher (Procol Harem)
Robert John Godfrey (The Enid)
Dave Sinclair (Caravan)
Gary Numan
Don't forget Dave Greenslde of The Stranglers, and Monty Oxymoron of The Damned is an absolutely phenomenal keyboard player.
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No Rick Wakeman in that list?
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Whilst it would be Clapton for me all day long based on the music, I do question Bob G's comment about him being a "decent human being". Is that sarcasm?
Eric has long been a musical inspiration of mine but surely the only thing counting against him is his somewhat questionable history.
We're talking about a former alcoholic, heroin addict, serial adulterer and self confessed narcissistic abuser of women. He is an arrogant and deeply flawed individual and that is by his own admission. Also, have you ever heard his drunken Rivers of Blood rant and his admiration for Enoch Powell? Something he has never publicly apologised for or even explained.
Yes, much of this is in the past and nowadays he does much charitable work for alcoholics and drug addicts, but there remain significant question marks over Eric the man! I've seen him four times and on each occasion he barely said two words to the audience and made it very clear he didn't want to be there, something he has since confirmed in interviews and why he is considering ceasing touring.
Says a lot for his music that he remains my all time favourite! Great musician, not so sure he's a great person. The irony of it all is the deep nagging suspicion that Mr Clapton does in fact produce his best music by quite some margin when he is stoned or pissed out of his mind, as shown by his output over the last 20 years.....
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Not all great musicians are great people... From what I have read you could say that John Lennon was a bit of an arsehole to say the least.
However, isn't it the case that the most creative sort tend to be a bit off the rails elsewhere?
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Mark E. Smith doesn't strike me as the sort of bloke I'd enjoy a convivial dinner with. Still love his work.
One reason why I've never really wanted to get to know footballers and sports people in general. Must be very disheartening to find that someone whose talent you admire is a bit of an arsehole in real life.
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No Rick Wakeman in that list?
No because the list was in response to Bob's question of who apart from Steve Hogarth and Rick Wakeman are good (British) keyboard players. With apologies to both Mr Hogarth and Mr Oxymoron of the names so far mentioned Wakeman and Eno are by far the pre-eminent ones.
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A couple of mentions for people not mentioned so far:
Barry Gibb (more as a writer) and the incomparable Bert Jansch as a guitarist
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Monty improvising in the pub after a gig...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh-T06jMJhQ
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Tommy: I wrote that Eric Clapton "is a decent human being". Why do want to read it as saying something entirely different? What makes you think I mean something else? Is it something in your own mind?
BobG
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Not at all. I simply found it a surprising description and not a view of EC that is generally espoused. Not even by the man himself or people who know him well. Apologies for asking if you were being sarcastic. I could just as easily have said "are you having a laugh" or "is that a pisstake Bob". I was expressing surprise at your opinion given the common knowledge about him, nothing more.
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No Rick Wakeman in that list?
No because the list was in response to Bob's question of who apart from Steve Hogarth and Rick Wakeman are good (British) keyboard players. With apologies to both Mr Hogarth and Mr Oxymoron of the names so far mentioned Wakeman and Eno are by far the pre-eminent ones.
Sorry, didn't realise that you were referring to a previous post.
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Not at all. I simply found it a surprising description and not a view of EC that is generally espoused. Not even by the man himself or people who know him well. Apologies for asking if you were being sarcastic. I could just as easily have said "are you having a laugh" or "is that a pisstake Bob". I was expressing surprise at your opinion given the common knowledge about him, nothing more.
I've read his autobiography twice, and suffice to say he was probably a dangerous man to be around at certain points in his life. His dedication to his music and how he wanted to follow a certain path made him a difficult man to like I'm sure.
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He's a man who cares about his responsibilities. He doesn't run away from his mistakes and he is there when his friends and family need him. He doesn't miss. That makes him a decent guy as far as I'm concerned. If you're worried about a genius focussing on his art, then I'm afraid there's an awful lot of brilliant people you're not going to like.
BobG
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On the subject of EC worth mentioning Albert Lee as a wonderful guitarist, he ended up playing all the lead guitar bits on EC's shows in the 70's when EC was too off his skull to play live. EC has since referred to him as the greatest guitar player in the world not a bad commendation.
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I've got include my musical hero as nobody else has seen fit to.
Ian Anderson, former leader of Jethro Tull.
He's been writing and performing for 50 years and as anyone who saw Tull will agree, a mesmerising showman. He's still going strong and touring all the time despite vocal problems.
He's written hundreds of songs from blues,rock, folk, jazz, ballads, world music and classical and is a multi instrumentalist.
The blokes a genius.
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He's a man who cares about his responsibilities. He doesn't run away from his mistakes and he is there when his friends and family need him. He doesn't miss. That makes him a decent guy as far as I'm concerned. If you're worried about a genius focussing on his art, then I'm afraid there's an awful lot of brilliant people you're not going to like.
BobG
He did focus on his art, apart from the time he stopped playing music to give a white power speech on stage, describing Britain as a "black colony" and repeatedly referring to "wogs". He's never apologised for that, by the way, and in fact has repeatedly praised Enoch Powell decades after the fact. Goes above and beyond a rock star being a bit 'difficult', really.
Great musician for sure, but it is puzzling that you refer to an overt racist as a decent guy.
To be on topic, Tony Iommi revolutionised playing the guitar and invented an entire genre, so surely he deserves a mention?
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Similarly I'm not sure his Doncaster-born daughter would agree that he is there for his family when they need him. Brilliant musician, genius even, yes, decent, no.
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Eric also nicked his best mate's wife as well. George Harrison bore no grudge about it and they remained close mates apparently but even so, certain lines you don't cross.
Incidentally and given someone mentions it, I once took said daughter Ruth to the pictures back when we were teenagers. Nice girl and still lives locally I believe. Now the mother to ECs grandkids.
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As I've said before I rate him as a musician, and I mean really rate him. But his autobiography is a real eye opener. The people around him, girlfriends etc, who he introduced to hard drugs who then subsequently died is a shocker! His attitude to women was a disgrace.
The point I made him being dedicated to his music, to the detriment of his fellow musicians in a lot of cases, mirrors his personal life. Seems to be a very, very selfish individual.
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Don't be silly Nick. Not only was EC always there for her, but he made trip after trip after trip to her school to see school plays, school concerts and school events. He also gave a private concert in the school almost every year. He was there for his daughter constantly. He invited a boy in his daughters' class, who she had got the hots for, to his ranch in Arizona or wherever, to spend Christmas with the girl, him and Sharon Stone.
You are deluded mate. I repeat: maybe as a kid he played about - but so did I and, unless you're a saint, so did you. He has stood by his friends and his family for decades. It's not just me that thinks this puts him above a huge crowd of other mortals. Our political leaders extol those virtues too.
Bob
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Charming anecdotes, but I stand by what I said - I'm not sure she would agree that he's there for his family when they need him. Not always.
I'm still surprised that you consider him a decent person. Put it this way - if, when I have kids, I had a son who behaved like he so often has, I would be appalled. Even if he had twice the musical talent that Clapton has.
Anyway, it seems pretty clear that you have the one view and several others of us have an opposing one, so perhaps we should get back to discussing the great musical talent this country has produced!