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Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on August 29, 2021, 06:40:06 pmI was talking the other day about the batshit Trumpist leadership in the Deep South taking them into an avoidable disaster.This. Just...WHAT?https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/tate-reeves-says-mississippians-less-scared-covid-because-they-believe-eternal-life-1624014%3famp=1 while of course it's a load of crap you could say that in this country as there are manyReligious people in this country that won't have the jab, my mate lives in Blackburn and he reckons on the estate he lives in he doubts very few if any will have had the jab
I was talking the other day about the batshit Trumpist leadership in the Deep South taking them into an avoidable disaster.This. Just...WHAT?https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/tate-reeves-says-mississippians-less-scared-covid-because-they-believe-eternal-life-1624014%3famp=1
What I saw was the government had not received any more on the matter from jcvi or is that wrong? Or do people want the government to overrule them or not listen?
The government can't win when it comes to vaccinations, the only way to get them higher would be threaten the younger age group with not going nightclubs do what Germany say will do and say can't go hairdressers ect but there is uproar in this country if anything like that is said
Actually this is right. The bigger threat to our safety long term is not 12 year olds but failing to vaccinate other countries. The better thing to do is provide other countries with vaccines, that's what most scientists claim.You can't say it's follow the science one way then not in another to suit your anti government agenda.
Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on August 30, 2021, 07:59:24 amActually this is right. The bigger threat to our safety long term is not 12 year olds but failing to vaccinate other countries. The better thing to do is provide other countries with vaccines, that's what most scientists claim.You can't say it's follow the science one way then not in another to suit your anti government agenda.It's a bit debatable. I know the argument is 12 to 15 year old are less affected by the virus, so instead send vaccines to those who need protection abroad. Fine.But if we want to significantly lower the circulation of the virus in this country, then we need a very high level of immunity to achieve herd immunity, then we need above 90% of the population vaccinated, in which case we need to vaccinated younger age groups.Given the choice of protecting more vulnerable people internationally or surpressing the spread of the virus in the UK, many in the medical community plump for the international option.
Quote from: River Don on August 30, 2021, 11:15:07 amQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on August 30, 2021, 07:59:24 amActually this is right. The bigger threat to our safety long term is not 12 year olds but failing to vaccinate other countries. The better thing to do is provide other countries with vaccines, that's what most scientists claim.You can't say it's follow the science one way then not in another to suit your anti government agenda.It's a bit debatable. I know the argument is 12 to 15 year old are less affected by the virus, so instead send vaccines to those who need protection abroad. Fine.But if we want to significantly lower the circulation of the virus in this country, then we need a very high level of immunity to achieve herd immunity, then we need above 90% of the population vaccinated, in which case we need to vaccinated younger age groups.Given the choice of protecting more vulnerable people internationally or surpressing the spread of the virus in the UK, many in the medical community plump for the international option.Every wealthy country should be able to do both, pour money into vaccine manufacture, get their own population done afap and supply countries that struggle with cost.
Quote from: dickos1 on August 29, 2021, 05:29:04 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on August 28, 2021, 09:29:10 pmYou're quite something Dickos. Constantly changing the terms of the discussion, totally ignoring your utterly wrong previous opinions, turning a blind eye to facts and then claiming you are right. I think most of the world has been wrong regards covid, you keep bringing up something I said 19 months ago yet you’ve been consistently wrong over the last few weeks. Anyhow I’m not changing the terms of the discussion I’m pointing out USA doesn’t have it under control and England isn’t doing as badly as you’re trying to portray to everyoneYour attitude 19 months ago, when some of us were warning where things were going was smug, condescending and dangerously wrong. You refused to even consider COVID as a serious threat. If policy had been guided by people with your attitude, 2020 would have been a catastrophe like you cannot imagine.But you ignore that. You don't reflect on how appallingly badly you called that, and how you insulted and belittled people who were (correctly) warning people what was coming. Not a word of apology or self awareness. Just launch into the next argument.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on August 28, 2021, 09:29:10 pmYou're quite something Dickos. Constantly changing the terms of the discussion, totally ignoring your utterly wrong previous opinions, turning a blind eye to facts and then claiming you are right. I think most of the world has been wrong regards covid, you keep bringing up something I said 19 months ago yet you’ve been consistently wrong over the last few weeks. Anyhow I’m not changing the terms of the discussion I’m pointing out USA doesn’t have it under control and England isn’t doing as badly as you’re trying to portray to everyone
You're quite something Dickos. Constantly changing the terms of the discussion, totally ignoring your utterly wrong previous opinions, turning a blind eye to facts and then claiming you are right.
In this current discussion, I've said, repeatedly, with evidence, that in MOST of America, the outbreak in terms of new cases is reasonably well under control. The overall USA numbers are not good and that is due to the fact that the Deep South is seeing an outbreak that is utterly out of control and has been allowed to get that way by insane libertarian policies from Trumpist state leaders. Every word of that is fact and supported by the evidence.But you are impossible to have an evidence-based discussion with. Because you decide your conclusion before you start. Then you look for any shred of evidence, however unrepresentative, to back that up, ignoring the mass of contradictory evidence. And when that fails you say "Well come back in 5 years and see. I'll be right then." Ignoring how utterly, totally, dangerously wrong you were when this all started.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on August 29, 2021, 12:20:54 pmIn this current discussion, I've said, repeatedly, with evidence, that in MOST of America, the outbreak in terms of new cases is reasonably well under control. The overall USA numbers are not good and that is due to the fact that the Deep South is seeing an outbreak that is utterly out of control and has been allowed to get that way by insane libertarian policies from Trumpist state leaders. Every word of that is fact and supported by the evidence.But you are impossible to have an evidence-based discussion with. Because you decide your conclusion before you start. Then you look for any shred of evidence, however unrepresentative, to back that up, ignoring the mass of contradictory evidence. And when that fails you say "Well come back in 5 years and see. I'll be right then." Ignoring how utterly, totally, dangerously wrong you were when this all started. As dangerously wrong as attempting to convince everyone we would be having hundreds of thousands of cases by now and hundred of deaths. It’s a good job we knew it was codswallop otherwise we’d all be barricaded in our homes right now
In this current discussion, I've said, repeatedly, with evidence, that in MOST of America, the outbreak in terms of new cases is reasonably well under control. The overall USA numbers are not good and that is due to the fact that the Deep South is seeing an outbreak that is utterly out of control and has been allowed to get that way by insane libertarian policies from Trumpist state leaders. Every word of that is fact and supported by the evidence.But you are impossible to have an evidence-based discussion with. Because you decide your conclusion before you start. Then you look for any shred of evidence, however unrepresentative, to back that up, ignoring the mass of contradictory evidence. And when that fails you say "Well come back in 5 years and see. I'll be right then." Ignoring how utterly, totally, dangerously wrong you were when this all started.
Quote from: dickos1 on August 30, 2021, 03:46:14 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on August 29, 2021, 12:20:54 pmIn this current discussion, I've said, repeatedly, with evidence, that in MOST of America, the outbreak in terms of new cases is reasonably well under control. The overall USA numbers are not good and that is due to the fact that the Deep South is seeing an outbreak that is utterly out of control and has been allowed to get that way by insane libertarian policies from Trumpist state leaders. Every word of that is fact and supported by the evidence.But you are impossible to have an evidence-based discussion with. Because you decide your conclusion before you start. Then you look for any shred of evidence, however unrepresentative, to back that up, ignoring the mass of contradictory evidence. And when that fails you say "Well come back in 5 years and see. I'll be right then." Ignoring how utterly, totally, dangerously wrong you were when this all started. As dangerously wrong as attempting to convince everyone we would be having hundreds of thousands of cases by now and hundred of deaths. It’s a good job we knew it was codswallop otherwise we’d all be barricaded in our homes right now Way, WAY more dangerously wrong. If you don't understand why, then I'm baffled as to how to point it out to you.PS. I never once said that we would be having hundreds of thousands of cases by now. I never once said or even hinted we should be barricaded in homes. It is THIS approach that makes you impossible to deal with. If you are going to make a case, make it on facts, not imagination.
Quote from: dickos1 on August 30, 2021, 03:46:14 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on August 29, 2021, 12:20:54 pmIn this current discussion, I've said, repeatedly, with evidence, that in MOST of America, the outbreak in terms of new cases is reasonably well under control. The overall USA numbers are not good and that is due to the fact that the Deep South is seeing an outbreak that is utterly out of control and has been allowed to get that way by insane libertarian policies from Trumpist state leaders. Every word of that is fact and supported by the evidence.But you are impossible to have an evidence-based discussion with. Because you decide your conclusion before you start. Then you look for any shred of evidence, however unrepresentative, to back that up, ignoring the mass of contradictory evidence. And when that fails you say "Well come back in 5 years and see. I'll be right then." Ignoring how utterly, totally, dangerously wrong you were when this all started. As dangerously wrong as attempting to convince everyone we would be having hundreds of thousands of cases by now and hundred of deaths. It’s a good job we knew it was codswallop otherwise we’d all be barricaded in our homes right now Way, WAY more dangerously wrong. If you don't understand why, then I'm baffled as to how to point it out to you.PS. I never once said that we would be having hundreds of thousands of cases by now. I never once said or even hinted we should be barricaded in homes. It is THIS approach that makes you impossible to deal with. If you are going to make a case, make it on facts, not imagination.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on August 29, 2021, 12:20:54 pmIn this current discussion, I've said, repeatedly, with evidence, that in MOST of America, the outbreak in terms of new cases is reasonably well under control. The overall USA numbers are not good and that is due to the fact that the Deep South is seeing an outbreak that is utterly out of control and has been allowed to get that way by insane libertarian policies from Trumpist state leaders. Every word of that is fact and supported by the evidence.But you are impossible to have an evidence-based discussion with. Because you decide your conclusion before you start. Then you look for any shred of evidence, however unrepresentative, to back that up, ignoring the mass of contradictory evidence. And when that fails you say "Well come back in 5 years and see. I'll be right then." Ignoring how utterly, totally, dangerously wrong you were when this all started. As dangerously wrong as attempting to convince everyone we would be having hundreds of thousands of cases by now and hundred of deaths. It’s a good job we knew it was codswallop otherwise we’d all be barricaded in our homes right now
In this current discussion, I've said, repeatedly, with evidence, that in MOST of America, the outbreak in terms of new cases is reasonably well under control. The overall USA numbers are not good and that is due to the fact that the Deep South is seeing an outbreak that is utterly out of control and has been allowed to get that way by insane libertarian policies from Trumpist state leaders. Every word of that is fact and supported by the evidence.But you are impossible to have an evidence-based discussion with. Because you decide your conclusion before you start. Then you look for any shred of evidence, however unrepresentative, to back that up, ignoring the mass of contradictory evidence. And when that fails you say "Well come back in 5 years and see. I'll be right then." Ignoring how utterly, totally, dangerously wrong you were when this all started.