US & Iran are you a hawk or a dove?

[SydneyRover]

''While American hawks talk up an ‘imminent’ threat from Tehran with no hard evidence, echoing the start of the Iraq conflict, hardliners are in the ascendant in Iran''

We have seen some blurry images but no definitive proof and as the headline above states we have been here before and in addition to we can pretty much sheet home much of the worlds terrorism since then back to that war.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/18/united-states-iran-fears-of-war

[bahrain rover]

It's getting hot out here, and I don't just mean the weather.

[German Rover]

All these people who want war have never been. If it was them doing the fighting they wouldn't consider it. 

If they had been to war they would know how terrible it can be and wouldn't send anyone to fight on their behalf.

[SydneyRover]

Yes, unbelievably the idiots in charge are taking the war war route instead of jaw jaw.

[bahrain rover]

Of cause they want war, its good business. And first and foremost, isn't a business man more than an actual politician? Harking back to lyrics by Guns and Roses; War, it feeds the rich while it buries the poor!!!

[BillyStubbsTears]

It's slightly more complicated than that, but not much.

Trump has debts to pay back. Primarily to the Saudis and the Emirates. There payment involves Trump weakening Iran as a military threat to them.

[bpoolrover]

The us has produced more evidence that Iran had something to do with the attacks, the problem with everyone’s theories there is no evidence, weather it’s 9/11 Salisbury Iran the list is endless and it’s always the same people with no credible evidence saying it

[SydneyRover]

The us has produced more evidence that Iran had something to do with the attacks, the problem with everyone’s theories there is no evidence, weather it’s 9/11 Salisbury Iran the list is endless and it’s always the same people with no credible evidence saying it

Please post the evidence so we can discuss it, thanks BP

[bpoolrover]

I’m sure you have seen the pictures on the news mate

[SydneyRover]

I’m sure you have seen the pictures on the news mate

Oh the new ones with the red filter? this is hardly evidence is it? what next a pirate filter? would you go to war on this evidence because that's where this is leading.

[bahrain rover]

Give me the heads up please when it all goes tits up out here. Doubt very much we will hear anything.

[SydneyRover]

Give me the heads up please when it all goes tits up out here. Doubt very much we will hear anything.

I think you'll hear plenty where you are if it kicks off.

[bahrain rover]

Sat in my office the day is full of watching and hearing, Fwhatever and glorious Tornado's pulling big arc's as they fly out just after take off. Maybe the addition of even more may be the clue.

[SydneyRover]

Sat in my office the day is full of watching and hearing, Fwhatever and glorious Tornado's pulling big arc's as they fly out just after take off. Maybe the addition of even more may be the clue.

Got any holidays or long service saved up?

[wing commander]

  I don't have the information at hand to declare whether I'm a hawk or a Dove..I posted the other day questioning whether it was in Irans bests interests to do something like this and my gut feelings haven't changed..

  Since then we have seen the pictures and videos and for some that's enough to sway the guilt but clandestine special ops are just that..Neither Iran,Israel or USA would use there own boats and equipment.They would mock it up to look like someone else..With Satelites these days there's hardly a inch of this earth that cant be videoed..Everybody knows that...

   I'm going to have to sit on the fence on this one,if nothing else happens then I think this will calm down but if another ship blows up next week then I'm fearfull this will escalate to air strikes.

[RobTheRover]

Iran are surrounded by US military bases.  Yeah, they are attacking ships in the areas.  Of course they are.... 

[bpoolrover]

See Iran have shot a us drone down be interesting to see what the us do next

[SydneyRover]

See Iran have shot a us drone down be interesting to see what the us do next

As Bahrain Rover said yesterday things are hotting up.

''Iran’s Revolutionary Guards said on Thursday that they had used a surface to air missile to shoot down what they called a US “spy” drone they claimed was flying in the country’s airspace.

The US military confirmed that one of its unmanned aircraft had been taken down, but said it was in international airspace. The official said the drone was a US navy MQ-4C Triton''

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/20/iran-claims-us-drone-shot-down-missile-strike-saudi-arabia-trump-yemen

[bahrain rover]

Sydney, As I also commented on air traffic. There is a marked increase coming and going at the moment.

[bpoolrover]

See Iran have seized a British owned tanker today

[andy didcott]

Now seized 2.

[SydneyRover]

Now the UK has been drawn into the trump created crisis and we have dumb and dumber on the job how will we extricate ourselves.

Trump would love for us to start a fight with Iran and be able to ride in and save us and get off virtually blame free.

If Hunt has any negotiating skills he kept them well hidden in the health portfolio and with johnson more than ready to prove that he is in fact Churchill incarnate then I think we could be in real trouble.

And to top it off we have further bad news as the pound has had a coronary and will affect the national obsessions of the annual pilgrimage to Spain and the price of imported dysons.

[foxbat]

going to Spain in September,  so will have to be careful with the .money thanks to the Vote leave geniuses.
Not that Johnson,  Mogg and Farage etc. will feel it, but that was always the plan for us peasants.
Dyson will never get a penny of my money.  Got a good quality EU Bosch vacuum instead,  far better and not a stupid price.

[Bentley Bullet]

German Vacuums suck.

[scawsby steve]

German Vacuums suck.

So do German women apparently.

I've never had the pleasure myself; mind you, I'd draw the line at Angela Merkel.

[German Rover]

German Vacuums suck.

So do German women apparently.

I've never had the pleasure myself; mind you, I'd draw the line at Angela Merkel.

Don't knock it till you've tried it! Ha ha

[RedJ]

German Vacuums suck.

So do German women apparently.

I've never had the pleasure myself; mind you, I'd draw the line at Angela Merkel.

Don't knock it till you've tried it! Ha ha

What, tried Merkel?

[selby]

I wonder where the backing of our EU fellow and NATO members such as Germany and France are on this matter?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Well, you could carry on wondering.

Or you could use Google.

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-and-france-condemn-irans-seizure-of-british-tanker/a-49665532

[Filo]

At moment ne time we had a Navy that could respond, we had at least two operational Aircraft carriers, because of succesive defence cuts we are seen as a soft target now if we had carriers in that area those Revolutionary Guards would not dare attempt the the things they are doing now