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I hope I’m wrong but I think he’s gone too early again, I guess this will tell us how good the vaccine is. I feel for the 50 year old plus teachers that have to go back unvaccinated, lambs to the slaughter again
Quote from: Filo on February 22, 2021, 10:14:09 pmI hope I’m wrong but I think he’s gone too early again, I guess this will tell us how good the vaccine is. I feel for the 50 year old plus teachers that have to go back unvaccinated, lambs to the slaughter againBut how are you going to measure it? Obviously there will be more casualties when the lockdown is ended, that's inevitable whenever you end it, but how do we know that delaying coming out of lockdown isn't going to cause more damage to children's education, General public health, mental health, economy, loss of businesses and loss of jobs resulting in even more casualties in the future?
Boris had full intentions of going away from austerity, skippy, and we would have been enjoying the benefits from it had it not been for the pandemic....
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on February 23, 2021, 12:07:02 amBoris had full intentions of going away from austerity, skippy, and we would have been enjoying the benefits from it had it not been for the pandemic....Which this government has made worse by every measure. EVEN NOW the airports are not closed. EVEN NOW you don't have to scan track and trace to enter a super market. EVEN NOW, after TWENTY-TWO BILLION POUNDS spent on track and trace, it doesn't work. EVEN NOW we're not asking everyone who hasn't been tested to go and get tested, knowing full well 1 in 3 people with Covid are asymptomatic.Anyone who still defends Boris needs to give their head a proper wobble.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on February 22, 2021, 11:01:13 pmQuote from: Filo on February 22, 2021, 10:14:09 pmI hope I’m wrong but I think he’s gone too early again, I guess this will tell us how good the vaccine is. I feel for the 50 year old plus teachers that have to go back unvaccinated, lambs to the slaughter againBut how are you going to measure it? Obviously there will be more casualties when the lockdown is ended, that's inevitable whenever you end it, but how do we know that delaying coming out of lockdown isn't going to cause more damage to children's education, General public health, mental health, economy, loss of businesses and loss of jobs resulting in even more casualties in the future?Measure what, BB?Delaying coming out of lockdown would be in order to minimise avoidable deaths. Yes, there would be some losses to other considerations, but surely if these can be mitigated then that should be the objective of policy.For example, the school term could be extended into the summer break, to recoup some of the contact time kids are missing.There is a real risk that in disregarding the advice of SAGE (see the minutes), Trumpty plays the odds in favour of needing another lockdown, with all that it involves.The option of delaying school return until after Easter greatly increases the odds in his favour in managing the epidemic.There is a reason that you seek expert advice...and it is not to ignore it because you think you know better, despite having no expertise in the subject.
Ldr.Labour don't have Corbyn in charge now. The Tories are still ahead in the polls. Johnson is ahead of Starmer as Best PM.Clearly Johnson is NOT indefensible.
The Easter Holidays begin on 26th March, 3 weeks after the schools starting back, add that to the 2 week easter break and we have 5 extra weeks to get the numbers down, it would be better in my opinion waiting until after Easter to go back and get those 3 weeks back during the summer holidays
Quote from: Filo on February 23, 2021, 04:02:55 pmThe Easter Holidays begin on 26th March, 3 weeks after the schools starting back, add that to the 2 week easter break and we have 5 extra weeks to get the numbers down, it would be better in my opinion waiting until after Easter to go back and get those 3 weeks back during the summer holidaysThe schools are open for three weeks and then closed for two weeks. The two weeks closure will be a natural firebreak.
So in essence, the government ARE following the scientific advice here which they often get accused of not doing.
Quote from: drfchound on February 23, 2021, 04:28:48 pmSo in essence, the government ARE following the scientific advice here which they often get accused of not doing.You missed where a I said in my opinion?
BB, Both Whitty and Vallance are bound by collective responsibility, so the way in which their individual opinions are shown in the SAGE meetings is not always the same as the public face.That is just a given in these situations.This is the advice TO SAGE;The discussion in SAGE modelled different scenarios in relation to relaxing lockdown;https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1363888315997556740Here are the recommendations in the SAGE minutes;https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/963366/S1082_SAGE__79_Minutes.pdfPoints 32 and 33 cut to the chase.To answer Hound, no they are not following the SAGE consensus, they are cherrypicking the science.It helps if you actually read the links before posting.