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This is not just a labour party thing WC. The tory party also want a living wage by 2020, but have pegged their minimum amount at £9 (to be decided by the government) - which will be lower than what it currently is for London now. What McDonnell has said is that he will introduce a living wage into law and the best guesses for the projected amount by 2020 will be around £10. So a living wage is probably coming sooner or later whether you like it or not. (In essence, what the tory party mean is a jumped up minimum wage, the labour party actually want a living wage)Attempts to put amounts on it, in any case, are missing the point (and politically motivated). It's a living wage, it's the amount (which should be calculated independently of government) that covers the basic costs of living. It's not perfect, but it seems the very least of what any person in society should expect.People had the same arguments about the introduction of the minimum wage but it had no negative effects on employment.
At £7.20 we're already paying our workers way more than Eastern Europe or China but were surviving aren't we? It's not about about nations relative to each other, its about workers relative to how much it costs to live. I didn't know that figure about small businesses paying above the minimum wage but you'd also find something similar now. Take warehouses/distribution centers, for example. A massive employment sector in this country. Many will already be paying workers over £8 (and over £9 for some shifts).
Quote from: Sprotyrover on September 26, 2016, 06:32:33 amHow many on here still believe he will revive the Coal mining Industry?A brief moment of googling would have solved that dilemma for you shag.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-34398851
How many on here still believe he will revive the Coal mining Industry?
Just as long as you're comfortable in the the knowledge you're not more obsessed with Corbyn than the people who actually support him. For my own part I have no great interest in the bloke beyond what he plans to do for this country.
I will just keep repeating the consensus of near enough every piece of research conducted on the matter - done within reasonable limits, it is workable.Beyond the populist rhetoric of £10, Mike Ashley and Philip Green I do believe, yes, that the economic plan is broadly workable, tangible and would benefit people.
Anyone who wants to do away with our Nuclear deterrent when there crackpots like the one in Russia and North Korea that are flexing their muscles on a weekly basis will never get my vote. Add to that he wants to sit down and have tea and buscuits with ISIS and other terrorist organisations!
Quote from: Filo on September 26, 2016, 07:52:40 pmAnyone who wants to do away with our Nuclear deterrent when there crackpots like the one in Russia and North Korea that are flexing their muscles on a weekly basis will never get my vote. Add to that he wants to sit down and have tea and buscuits with ISIS and other terrorist organisations!Hmm, not seen the news reports from today's conference speeches when the Shadow Defence Secretary reaffirms the party's commitment to Trident then Filo?As for the ISIS comment - could you please direct us to where 'he' has said that? Unless you are referring to Owen Smith of course who did, sort of, say that, which is pointless as he lost?
Add to that he wants to sit down and have tea and buscuits with ISIS and other terrorist organisations!
The same old big bad capitalism line and increased taxes on those successful.
Quote from: Filo on September 26, 2016, 07:52:40 pmAdd to that he wants to sit down and have tea and buscuits with ISIS and other terrorist organisations!Really Filo, is that a fact? Or have you been reading the Daily Mail again?
Quote from: Filo on September 26, 2016, 07:52:40 pmAnyone who wants to do away with our Nuclear deterrent when there crackpots like the one in Russia and North Korea that are flexing their muscles on a weekly basis will never get my vote. Add to that he wants to sit down and have tea and buscuits with ISIS and other terrorist organisations!Which of North Korea's missiles can reach us, again?
You'd best tell Channel 4 their footage was wrong then Sporty.And the BBChttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37472042And The Guardianhttps://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/sep/26/jeremy-corbyn-puts-aside-objections-to-renewing-tridentyou can do the rest of the news outlets as you appear to need to do the reading. CND outrage at Labour Trident renewal would be a good place to start.
Quote from: rtid88 on September 24, 2016, 11:31:46 pmAre you telling me every media stream in the country has not been horrifically against Corbyn for months for no reason other than the fact he is against the social norm??No, but they didn't want him to lose the leadership of the Labour party either. If you think he's getting it bad now, wait till you see what they'll save up for him until just before the next General Election. He's such an easy target to smear.
Are you telling me every media stream in the country has not been horrifically against Corbyn for months for no reason other than the fact he is against the social norm??
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 25, 2016, 09:52:06 amQuote from: rtid88 on September 24, 2016, 11:31:46 pmAre you telling me every media stream in the country has not been horrifically against Corbyn for months for no reason other than the fact he is against the social norm??No, but they didn't want him to lose the leadership of the Labour party either. If you think he's getting it bad now, wait till you see what they'll save up for him until just before the next General Election. He's such an easy target to smear.Yep because thats all they are good at making shit up and smearing.