Saunders

[Wellred]

....and another three yellow cards, good to see a Rovers team getting stuck in as i have been told, pity half of them will be suspended soon. All playing to instructions remember.

Your posts get more and more stupid.
Had you been to the game you would have known that 2 of the bookings were down to telling the referee he was a clown (don't take that literally because I just told you)
Do you think they did that under instructions from the Manager?
What an idiot you are.

[Donnywolf]

Wake up Saunders, wake up.  Can't wait to hear your excuses. I suppose it will the same old tale.  We are short of players but we showed a lot of effort.  You wait he won't admit we were abysmal

No ... he is quoted in Free Press as saying " I was expecting us to be a bit flat and we were"

Right I dislike Purple Ronnie over at Manure BUT if he was expecting them to be a bit flat he would have done "something" to make sure that they were not ....

... and back to us why does Husband NOT already have a starting X1 place nailed on. To my (I admit )untrained eye he is young enthusiastic has pace can tackle and looks like he wants to be involved and covers every blade of grass. To me his is a quality player whi will go far

Its a mystery to me why he cant get in a Team as mundane in quality as this one

[Barmby Rover]

....and another three yellow cards, good to see a Rovers team getting stuck in as i have been told, pity half of them will be suspended soon. All playing to instructions remember.

Your posts get more and more stupid.
Had you been to the game you would have known that 2 of the bookings were down to telling the referee he was a clown (don't take that literally because I just told you)
Do you think they did that under instructions from the Manager?
What an idiot you are.

Thank you Wellred for your incisive comments as ever, unfortunately the lack of discipline should be dealt with if the players are constantly harrassing refs even if they do make poor decisions ( and we know they all do at times). I wonder who instills discipline in a team?.......... Would that be a manager? No can't be, you're far too clever for me Wellred!

[Colin C No.3]

I had plenty of time to reflect on the game (& related 'stuff') on my 2 hour journey back home to Burnley.

It's depressingly clear that the gulf in the quality of football between League 1 & the Championship is massive. In fact on what I've seen so far, it's a chasm.

So, trying to draw on the positives we experienced at this level under Penney, I've decided to put the Preston game 'to bed'. Yes we witnessed some shocking individual displays, but we do have a couple of players that wouldn't have disgraced DP's LG 1 side, Cotterill, Jones, Syers & not least of all Brown. Paynter could have had a couple of goals with a bit of luck on the header that went straight into the keepers arms & a shot that had pace but needed better 'placement', so there are glimmers.

However, Dean Saunders never a Dave Penney will make. His reading of a game, especially the need to replace players who aren't having an impact during a game, is worrying. He must certainly have more money at his disposal than DP could ever have dreamt of, so it's disappointing given that, coupled with the 'connections' he must have in the game given the levels he played at, that he couldn't/can't bring players in to supplement the handful of good 'uns we have.

Is the jury still out on him? Me thinks they are shortly to return to the courtroom.

[Rovin Reporter]

No mileage in slagging of a man who's hands are tied by this Board , who seem too scared to make a decision on spending money , they would sooner see the club stutter along , providing it cost nowt and has no come backs later. We should be honest and except it WE ARE POTLESS so pay your money and enjoy the bumpy ride.

[The Red Baron]

FWIW, I don't think there's any chance of Saunders being sacked- or even being told to pull his socks up by the Board- unless we appear to be in danger of relegation this season. And I really don't think that will be the case, poor as the performance on Tuesday night was.

The Board may not admit as much, but I believe they accept that this will be a transitional, rebuilding season and so a mid-table finish will be acceptable.

I tend to support that strategy, because I think the team and club needs to be rebuilt from top to bottom. The appointment of Gavin Baldwin is aimed at doing that with the club: the rebuilding of the team may take longer as ultimately it will need an infusion of talented younger players (who don't cost the earth in wages) via the youth system and/ or signings from elsewhere.

Whether Saunders is the man to undertake that rebuilding process, or is just an appointment to see us through the transition will determine how long his career at DRFC lasts. But I doubt we'll see that decision being made this season. It may be a debate we'll be having in 12-18 months time though.

Personally, I find him a rather unimaginative manager who uses comments in the media (soundbites, if you like) as a substitute for strategy. For example, if teams come to the Keepmoat to frustrate you, find a way to overcome it by changing the way you set the team up, rather than simply trying to manage expectations of the fans (which doesn't work anyway.) In his defence, he is constrained by a limited budget and a small squad that doesn't allow for a grest deal of change. I'm not sure that other alternative managers (at this stage anyway) would do things much better.

[silent majority]

No mileage in slagging of a man who's hands are tied by this Board , who seem too scared to make a decision on spending money , they would sooner see the club stutter along , providing it cost nowt and has no come backs later. We should be honest and except it WE ARE POTLESS so pay your money and enjoy the bumpy ride.

What a complete and totally misinformed post! I'm assuming RR you have the facts to support your case?

For your information we have a current budget of just under £4m, that's the 3rd or 4th highest in this division, hardly a board not willing to spend money is it? They have also, as I've said before, made funds available for DS but he's taking his time to commit.

[silent majority]

FWIW, I don't think there's any chance of Saunders being sacked- or even being told to pull his socks up by the Board- unless we appear to be in danger of relegation this season. And I really don't think that will be the case, poor as the performance on Tuesday night was.

The Board may not admit as much, but I believe they accept that this will be a transitional, rebuilding season and so a mid-table finish will be acceptable.

I tend to support that strategy, because I think the team and club needs to be rebuilt from top to bottom. The appointment of Gavin Baldwin is aimed at doing that with the club: the rebuilding of the team may take longer as ultimately it will need an infusion of talented younger players (who don't cost the earth in wages) via the youth system and/ or signings from elsewhere.

Whether Saunders is the man to undertake that rebuilding process, or is just an appointment to see us through the transition will determine how long his career at DRFC lasts. But I doubt we'll see that decision being made this season. It may be a debate we'll be having in 12-18 months time though.

Personally, I find him a rather unimaginative manager who uses comments in the media (soundbites, if you like) as a substitute for strategy. For example, if teams come to the Keepmoat to frustrate you, find a way to overcome it by changing the way you set the team up, rather than simply trying to manage expectations of the fans (which doesn't work anyway.) In his defence, he is constrained by a limited budget and a small squad that doesn't allow for a grest deal of change. I'm not sure that other alternative managers (at this stage anyway) would do things much better.

Not all true RB. For this division we have a large budget, but we do have a small squad, but that's been DS's choice so far.

[Wellred]

....and another three yellow cards, good to see a Rovers team getting stuck in as i have been told, pity half of them will be suspended soon. All playing to instructions remember.

Your posts get more and more stupid.
Had you been to the game you would have known that 2 of the bookings were down to telling the referee he was a clown (don't take that literally because I just told you)
Do you think they did that under instructions from the Manager?
What an idiot you are.

Thank you Wellred for your incisive comments as ever, unfortunately the lack of discipline should be dealt with if the players are constantly harrassing refs even if they do make poor decisions ( and we know they all do at times). I wonder who instills discipline in a team?.......... Would that be a manager? No can't be, you're far too clever for me Wellred!

I refer to my previous comments. If you actually went to games you would maybe know the answers for yourself!
You remind me of the clowns who ring Praise or Grumble after the games on a Saturday. They make all their comments and when asked were they at the game answer NO but I listened to it ont radio.

[The Red Baron]

FWIW, I don't think there's any chance of Saunders being sacked- or even being told to pull his socks up by the Board- unless we appear to be in danger of relegation this season. And I really don't think that will be the case, poor as the performance on Tuesday night was.

The Board may not admit as much, but I believe they accept that this will be a transitional, rebuilding season and so a mid-table finish will be acceptable.

I tend to support that strategy, because I think the team and club needs to be rebuilt from top to bottom. The appointment of Gavin Baldwin is aimed at doing that with the club: the rebuilding of the team may take longer as ultimately it will need an infusion of talented younger players (who don't cost the earth in wages) via the youth system and/ or signings from elsewhere.

Whether Saunders is the man to undertake that rebuilding process, or is just an appointment to see us through the transition will determine how long his career at DRFC lasts. But I doubt we'll see that decision being made this season. It may be a debate we'll be having in 12-18 months time though.

Personally, I find him a rather unimaginative manager who uses comments in the media (soundbites, if you like) as a substitute for strategy. For example, if teams come to the Keepmoat to frustrate you, find a way to overcome it by changing the way you set the team up, rather than simply trying to manage expectations of the fans (which doesn't work anyway.) In his defence, he is constrained by a limited budget and a small squad that doesn't allow for a grest deal of change. I'm not sure that other alternative managers (at this stage anyway) would do things much better.

Not all true RB. For this division we have a large budget, but we do have a small squad, but that's been DS's choice so far.

I didn't say a small budget- I said a limited one (i.e. it can't be increased so we can bring in more/ better players.) However, I'm interested that you say that a small squad is Saunders' choice. Does that mean there is money available for additional players? If so, is he perhaps holding back that money to bring players in when the transfer window re-opens rather than supplementing the squad now with loan players?

[Rovin Reporter]

No mileage in slagging of a man who's hands are tied by this Board , who seem too scared to make a decision on spending money , they would sooner see the club stutter along , providing it cost nowt and has no come backs later. We should be honest and except it WE ARE POTLESS so pay your money and enjoy the bumpy ride.

What a complete and totally misinformed post! I'm assuming RR you have the facts to support your case?

For your information we have a current budget of just under £4m, that's the 3rd or 4th highest in this division, hardly a board not willing to spend money is it? They have also, as I've said before, made funds available for DS but he's taking his time to commit.

quote] If our budget is GREAT then why all this concern about the size of our squad ? Or letting players go on loan and getting replacements ? YOU  are on a another planet . My proof s on the countless interviews given by Saunders or are you just another knows sod all on hear .

[Filo]

No mileage in slagging of a man who's hands are tied by this Board , who seem too scared to make a decision on spending money , they would sooner see the club stutter along , providing it cost nowt and has no come backs later. We should be honest and except it WE ARE POTLESS so pay your money and enjoy the bumpy ride.

What a complete and totally misinformed post! I'm assuming RR you have the facts to support your case?

For your information we have a current budget of just under £4m, that's the 3rd or 4th highest in this division, hardly a board not willing to spend money is it? They have also, as I've said before, made funds available for DS but he's taking his time to commit.

quote] If our budget is GREAT then why all this concern about the size of our squad ? Or letting players go on loan and getting replacements ? YOU  are on a another planet . My proof s on the countless interviews given by Saunders or are you just another knows sod all on hear .

If SM is on another Planet, I think you must be in a far away galaxy, the need to send players out on loan was to get the wage bill down to within the budget, we still have players on large salaries from the previous season, Coppinger leaving gave Saunders a small surplus within the budget, which he is saving in case we get injuries or suspensions so he can move into the loan market quickly and stay within the budget, if other large earners left that surplus would be bigger and give room for more manoeuvrability in the loan market, sadly our large earners are playing shit and not attracting any interest!

[silent majority]

No mileage in slagging of a man who's hands are tied by this Board , who seem too scared to make a decision on spending money , they would sooner see the club stutter along , providing it cost nowt and has no come backs later. We should be honest and except it WE ARE POTLESS so pay your money and enjoy the bumpy ride.

What a complete and totally misinformed post! I'm assuming RR you have the facts to support your case?

For your information we have a current budget of just under £4m, that's the 3rd or 4th highest in this division, hardly a board not willing to spend money is it? They have also, as I've said before, made funds available for DS but he's taking his time to commit.

quote] If our budget is GREAT then why all this concern about the size of our squad ? Or letting players go on loan and getting replacements ? YOU  are on a another planet . My proof s on the countless interviews given by Saunders or are you just another knows sod all on hear .

If being on another planet means I can spell and elucidate my points then I'm glad that I am.

The simple facts are that we have a budget that is only exceeded by a small handful of clubs in this league. The average budget is less than £2m in Lg1, our is at £3.9m. That's far from potless!

[silent majority]

FWIW, 

Not all true RB. For this division we have a large budget, but we do have a small squad, but that's been DS's choice so far.

I didn't say a small budget- I said a limited one (i.e. it can't be increased so we can bring in more/ better players.) However, I'm interested that you say that a small squad is Saunders' choice. Does that mean there is money available for additional players? If so, is he perhaps holding back that money to bring players in when the transfer window re-opens rather than supplementing the squad now with loan players?

OK, I accept your point, but its also common knowledge that more funds have been made available therefore the limited budget doesn't really apply. Admittedly its limited at some point, as all budgets are, but the decision not to recruit 2 or 3 other players is down to Dean, nobody else. He did say, and I passed that information along some weeks ago, that he was nervous about using up what he's got left and then finding himself in a position, through injuries etc, that he's brought in the wrong players. I said at the time it was a brave strategy but I could see the logic behind it.

The practical case then is that we've entered the season with a smallish squad, and then waited to see where we need strengthening or replacements which enables DS to target specific players to cover our shortfall. Finding very good utility players is very hard work so the more specialist a player is the more consideration has to be made.

I wouldn't say he's waiting for the transfer window specifically, I just know he's waiting.

[Rovin Reporter]

No mileage in slagging of a man who's hands are tied by this Board , who seem too scared to make a decision on spending money , they would sooner see the club stutter along , providing it cost nowt and has no come backs later. We should be honest and except it WE ARE POTLESS so pay your money and enjoy the bumpy ride.

What a complete and totally misinformed post! I'm assuming RR you have the facts to support your case?

For your information we have a current budget of just under £4m, that's the 3rd or 4th highest in this division, hardly a board not willing to spend money is it? They have also, as I've said before, made funds available for DS but he's taking his time to commit.

quote] If our budget is GREAT then why all this concern about the size of our squad ? Or letting players go on loan and getting replacements ? YOU  are on a another planet . My proof s on the countless interviews given by Saunders or are you just another knows sod all on hear .

If SM is on another Planet, I think you must be in a far away galaxy, the need to send players out on loan was to get the wage bill down to within the budget, we still have players on large salaries from the previous season, Coppinger leaving gave Saunders a small surplus within the budget, which he is saving in case we get injuries or suspensions so he can move into the loan market quickly and stay within the budget, if other large earners left that surplus would be bigger and give room for more manoeuvrability in the loan market, sadly our large earners are playing shit and not attracting any interest!

[Rovin Reporter]

You are in the Minority Mr not so silent , you can't say we have good budget one minute and then say we still need to get players our "To get the budget down"  ? WE ARE POTLESS .  No money to get a player from anywhere in less he comes free .

[silent majority]

You are in the Minority Mr not so silent , you can't say we have good budget one minute and then say we still need to get players our "To get the budget down"  ? WE ARE POTLESS .  No money to get a player from anywhere in less he comes free .

Do you just make stuff up for the sake of it? We did need to get the budget down as last year it sat at over £9m, currently it sits at £3.9m and funds have been made available for Dean to strengthen, if your definition of that is potless then so be it.

[Rovin Reporter]

You are in the Minority Mr not so silent , you can't say we have good budget one minute and then say we still need to get players our "To get the budget down"  ? WE ARE POTLESS .  No money to get a player from anywhere in less he comes free .

Do you just make stuff up for the sake of it? We did need to get the budget down as last year it sat at over £9m, currently it sits at £3.9m and funds have been made available for Dean to strengthen, if your definition of that is potless then so be it.

why do you think he had to reduce the budget , because WE HAVE NO MONEY  doh!!!

[silent majority]

You are in the Minority Mr not so silent , you can't say we have good budget one minute and then say we still need to get players our "To get the budget down"  ? WE ARE POTLESS .  No money to get a player from anywhere in less he comes free .

Do you just make stuff up for the sake of it? We did need to get the budget down as last year it sat at over £9m, currently it sits at £3.9m and funds have been made available for Dean to strengthen, if your definition of that is potless then so be it.

why do you think he had to reduce the budget , because WE HAVE NO MONEY  doh!!!

Its like arguing with a six year old. Do you class a budget of £4m and extra if he needs it no money?

[DonnyRTID]

[/quote] why do you think he had to reduce the budget , because WE HAVE NO MONEY  doh!!!
[/quote]

We had to reduce the budget because of the new financial fair play rules.

[Wellred]

You are in the Minority Mr not so silent , you can't say we have good budget one minute and then say we still need to get players our "To get the budget down"  ? WE ARE POTLESS .  No money to get a player from anywhere in less he comes free .

Do you just make stuff up for the sake of it? We did need to get the budget down as last year it sat at over £9m, currently it sits at £3.9m and funds have been made available for Dean to strengthen, if your definition of that is potless then so be it.

why do you think he had to reduce the budget , because WE HAVE NO MONEY  doh!!!

Its like arguing with a six year old. Do you class a budget of £4m and extra if he needs it no money?

I think you are being very unfair on 6 year olds SM

[dickos1]

....and another three yellow cards, good to see a Rovers team getting stuck in as i have been told, pity half of them will be suspended soon. All playing to instructions remember.

Your posts get more and more stupid.
Had you been to the game you would have known that 2 of the bookings were down to telling the referee he was a clown (don't take that literally because I just told you)
Do you think they did that under instructions from the Manager?
What an idiot you are.

Thank you Wellred for your incisive comments as ever, unfortunately the lack of discipline should be dealt with if the players are constantly harrassing refs even if they do make poor decisions ( and we know they all do at times). I wonder who instills discipline in a team?.......... Would that be a manager? No can't be, you're far too clever for me Wellred!

Surely you aren't trying to blame Saunders for players getting booked now? That could be the most ridiculous point ever made.
If anything our discipline has been good this season, no sending offs have we.
We're certainly nowhere near the top of the poor discipline table.
But even if we were a manager can't influence players decision making in the middle of a battle.

[Rovin Reporter]

No mileage in slagging of a man who's hands are tied by this Board , who seem too scared to make a decision on spending money , they would sooner see the club stutter along , providing it cost nowt and has no come backs later. We should be honest and except it WE ARE POTLESS so pay your money and enjoy the bumpy ride.

What a complete and totally misinformed post! I'm assuming RR you have the facts to support your case?

For your information we have a current budget of just under £4m, that's the 3rd or 4th highest in this division, hardly a board not willing to spend money is it? They have also, as I've said before, made funds available for DS but he's taking his time to commit.

quote] If our budget is GREAT then why all this concern about the size of our squad ? Or letting players go on loan and getting replacements ? YOU  are on a another planet . My proof s on the countless interviews given by Saunders or are you just another knows sod all on hear .

If being on another planet means I can spell and elucidate my points then I'm glad that I am.

The simple facts are that we have a budget that is only exceeded by a small handful of clubs in this league. The average budget is less than £2m in Lg1, our is at £3.9m. That's far from potless!

It said our budget last season was £9m and Saunders is on record saying he has had to take 70% reduction that gives him £2.9m NOT £4m as quoted by mischief makers on here .

[silent majority]

You don't give in do you RR despite being hopelessly wrong.

The budget last season wasn't £9m, it was more like £6.8m if memory serves me right, but our expenditure was over £9m hence the desperate need to reduce costs everywhere. With a fall into LG1 it was obvious that we couldn't operate like that any longer. Originally the budget that was set was as close to the £3m mark as we could get but the owners cut Deano some slack when they realised he was doing a good job in bringing in quality players and they worked on the quality not quantity scenario. This has knock on effects of course because we have to pay more in salaries therefore reducing the number of players that can come into the club.

I stand by every bit of financial data I've put on this forum. Far from mischief making as you put it I get my information direct from the club, you are relying on press and media statements for yours.

[DonnyNoel]

What a wonderful thread. How many other clubs forums have people who get to sit in on board meetings come on and relay a detailed financial picture to the fans to help understand the reasons we're doing things and the short term strategy regarding budgets and signings?

And what do they get? People nit-picking over things they can't possible know anyway. 

[i_ateallthepies]

Should have given Husband a chance after 70 mins. Quinn had a bad game, again, and everytime I've seen Husband play he's played excellent, created chances, livened things up and turned games around. Not sure what else the lad can do to get a regular spot? 

Listening to Saunders' interview on the way to the game he said that players who don't play well lose their place and those who get their chance keep the shirt if they do well.
So I took that to mean that Harper, and Husband would be starting.  He obviously doesn't think Husband played well enough 

[NickDRFC]

What a wonderful thread. How many other clubs forums have people who get to sit in on board meetings come on and relay a detailed financial picture to the fans to help understand the reasons we're doing things and the short term strategy regarding budgets and signings?

And what do they get? People nit-picking over things they can't possible know anyway. 

Board meetings must be pretty lonely these days, maybe they will let several fans in to the meetings to fill the room!

[DonnyNoel]

What a wonderful thread. How many other clubs forums have people who get to sit in on board meetings come on and relay a detailed financial picture to the fans to help understand the reasons we're doing things and the short term strategy regarding budgets and signings?

And what do they get? People nit-picking over things they can't possible know anyway. 

Board meetings must be pretty lonely these days, maybe they will let several fans in to the meetings to fill the room!

At least the last meetings minutes will get approved quick!

[silent majority]

What a wonderful thread. How many other clubs forums have people who get to sit in on board meetings come on and relay a detailed financial picture to the fans to help understand the reasons we're doing things and the short term strategy regarding budgets and signings?

And what do they get? People nit-picking over things they can't possible know anyway. 

Spot on. I would put more on here than I do but for some reason or other there's always somebody who wants to have a go, criticise or assume I'm DRFC's lapdog. I'm passing on sensitive information so that all DRFC fans know exactly where we are, as you so rightly say how many other clubs would do this?

PS, I don't get my info from board meetings though as I'm sure you and other people will realise, but I do get my information from the meetings I have with the senior management at the club. I had an update meeting last night and I was accompanied by two other VSC Directors as we discussed a range of subjects.

[Rovin Reporter]

You don't give in do you RR despite being hopelessly wrong.

The budget last season wasn't £9m, it was more like £6.8m if memory serves me right, but our expenditure was over £9m hence the desperate need to reduce costs everywhere. With a fall into LG1 it was obvious that we couldn't operate like that any longer. Originally the budget that was set was as close to the £3m mark as we could get but the owners cut Deano some slack when they realised he was doing a good job in bringing in quality players and they worked on the quality not quantity scenario. This has knock on effects of course because we have to pay more in salaries therefore reducing the number of players that can come into the club.

I stand by every bit of financial data I've put on this forum. Far from mischief making as you put it I get my information direct from the club, you are relying on press and media statements for yours.

the £4 came from you the info I got came Saunders . So who made what up . Keep Silent and save us from know nowts like you and others.