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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: selby on November 01, 2020, 09:55:34 am
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From what I have read on Tuesday we have the honour of playing the first league game at Wimbledon's brand new stadium which has been a thirty year ambition of the club. A fantastic victory against everything the football authorities have done little to help, and have even done their best to steel and move their identity elsewhere.
Coming back to this point after going through what the club has had to come through has nothing but my highest admiration, and a lesson to certain senior administrators of the game that the game DOES NOT BELONG TO THEM, and whatever underhand agreements and back room meetings supporters of the game and clubs will not be cowered by underhand agreements and conniving to run the game for their own ends. Where their is a will to stand up to their trying to dominate all the game proper football supporters will always win.
Fantastic, and well done Wimbledon, apart from the small issue of three points on Tuesday evening and us managing to be the first team to win in your fantastic looking stadium, I am sure others here will join me in wishing you all the best for what looks like a bright future.
On to the game, thank god we are not playing at that jinx ground Kingsmeadow quaint as it was and the welcoming clubhouse I came to hate the place which seemed to have the unnerving ability to turn all our players into complete donkeys and no matter how well we were playing in previous games turn into a team of bumbling players who had never met before.
Will we be inspired by brand new fantastic looking surroundings, I sincerely hope so, and see no reason why not, we will need to be because the Wimbledon players will want to get off to a great start and will be enthused no doubt.
Pigott up front is a player that last season seamed to take us on by himself as a one man attack, and gave us as much trouble as any player all season, so one to be wary of.
In their last eight games they have only let in six goals and have kept four clean sheets so their defence with Csoka and Thomas being big players for them, so we will have to overcome a decent side and also the enthusiasm generated by new surroundings.
What personnel make up our team I will leave to others to put forward, our squad being used as a squad, and the players doing well so who plays I have no problems with or the permutation. If returning players come back in the not too distant future to my mind we have as good an all round squad as we have had for some time with little to choose between the various players vying for a start, well done that manager and the board.
Are you up for daring to try and match Darren's choice of team selection?
Will we change formation and play a different set up?
A new stadium luxurious compared with Kingsmeadow, would you like me have gone to this game in normal circumstances?
Can we keep up the pressure on the teams above by being the first team to win at the new stadium?
Lot's to discuss about this game, both as a game and other subjects surrounding it, everyone is welcome please have your say, especially any Wimbledon supporters you are all most welcome.
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I don't know if this has been listed anywhere but here it is...........
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-will-play-through-latest-national-lockdown-3021431
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I was looking forward to seeing the new stadium as its one of the closest for me.
The one feature I will miss from the old ground was when the ball left head height guessing where it will com down!
It still means going around the M25 Europe's largest car park.
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Their home record in the league this season is pretty poor. Played four, won one (1-0), drawn one and lost two. Their single win at home was vs 9 (nine!) man Blackpool including one guy sent off in first half.
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AFC Wimbledon's new stadium and FCUM away all in the space of a few days. 2 stadiums/away days I'm sure many of us would love to experience.
Nevertheless, 3 points and a ball in the hat come this time next week, please. COYR!!!!
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AFC Wimbledon's new stadium and FCUM away all in the space of a few days. 2 stadiums/away days I'm sure many of us would love to experience.
Nevertheless, 3 points and a ball in the hat come this time next week, please. COYR!!!!
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If the FA cup tie is allowed to go ahead.
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AFC Wimbledon's new stadium and FCUM away all in the space of a few days. 2 stadiums/away days I'm sure many of us would love to experience.
Nevertheless, 3 points and a ball in the hat come this time next week, please. COYR!!!!
:bbscarf:
If the FA cup tie is allowed to go ahead.
I'm assuming it may not go ahead due to FCUM being semi-pro?
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Will they have to forfeit the game then? an outcome I am completely against if so, I prefer the game to be played.
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Will they have to forfeit the game then? an outcome I am completely against if so, I prefer the game to be played.
Yes, same here. Not going to complain at progression in the cup for the cash, though.
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Will they have to forfeit the game then? an outcome I am completely against if so, I prefer the game to be played.
I would be against it too but to keep the competition going it would be logical to award us a bye, a bit like the authorities did with Spurs earlier in the season.
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It was that game that put it in my mind Hound, typical if we lose one of the few games we would make a few bob on with TV money, and just our luck if it happens.
Surely there is notice time to get players tested and solve the problem, especially now publicity has been given to the new quick result tests now available.
Or is that too simple?
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Chris Black come back, you do know that you are pushing our fates to the limits and spreading false hope with statistics like that don't you?
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Chris Black come back, you do know that you are pushing our fates to the limits and spreading false hope with statistics like that don't you?
CBcb is determined to put the kyber on us with his stats.
I will get told off now as stats don’t determine results of matches.
He is right but we do have a habit of confounding the stats and none more so than at AFC Wimbledon where our record is well shall we say awful.
New ground this time so let’s get that bogey put to bed and come back with the 3 points. PLEASE.
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You do both realise nothing we say or do has any impact on what's going to happen, don't you?
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You do both realise nothing we say or do has any impact on what's going to happen, don't you?
Ha ha Janso. Did CBcb ask you to post that. ;)
Well actually i do because i am superstitious. :facepalm:
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I am very superstitious.
I hate it when people tempt fate.
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I am very superstitious.
I hate it when people tempt fate.
I'm with you hound! People say some really silly things that don't need to be said at inopportune moments! Even Goodwin doing the match summary has resorted to going into 'glass half empty' mode tempting fate, albeit it wasn't effective on Saturday thank goodness.
Not got a great record at Wimbledon have we, and would it be rude to spoil the party?
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Is superstition a generational thing? My dad is very superstitious, as is my mother-in-law, but I don’t think I know anyone under the age of 40 who is.
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Is superstition a generational thing? My dad is very superstitious, as is my mother-in-law, but I don’t think I know anyone under the age of 40 who is.
Neither do I. Touch wood.
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Some pics of the new Wimbledon stadium on this thread;
https://www.skyscrapercity.com/threads/england-stadium-and-arena-development-news.661500/page-451
Scroll down to see them!
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It would be a great gesture from the club to allow the bye to the non league team, if we are to be seen to be less mercenary than the PL and Championship.....
I mean , ....a lot on here spout about the lower league teams being the life blood n all.......or are we far too important o help out a team that could benefit greatly from this charitable act....
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It would be a great gesture from the club to allow the bye to the non league team, if we are to be seen to be less mercenary than the PL and Championship.....
I mean , ....a lot on here spout about the lower league teams being the life blood n all.......or are we far too important o help out a team that could benefit greatly from this charitable act....
Interesting thought but that could then lead to FCUM getting a bye to R3 as the second round is due to be played before the lockdown ends.
What would happen if two non elite sides are drawn together?
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It would be a great gesture from the club to allow the bye to the non league team, if we are to be seen to be less mercenary than the PL and Championship.....
I mean , ....a lot on here spout about the lower league teams being the life blood n all.......or are we far too important o help out a team that could benefit greatly from this charitable act....
Interesting thought but that could then lead to FCUM getting a bye to R3 as the second round is due to be played before the lockdown ends.
What would happen if two non elite sides are drawn together?
It’s the gesture that counts....not necessarily the outcome...
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Of course it is.
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Will they have to forfeit the game then? an outcome I am completely against if so, I prefer the game to be played.
I would be against it too but to keep the competition going it would be logical to award us a bye, a bit like the authorities did with Spurs earlier in the season.
there won’t be many games played in the FA cup if they stop them playing as there is very little league team fixtures in the first round
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As for Wimbledon that is the sort of team that would beat us the so called lesser clubs, we have no problem with the top sides
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As for Wimbledon that is the sort of team that would beat us the so called lesser clubs, we have no problem with the top sides
Sorry but I don't like the phrase "the so called lesser clubs" you'd probably have said that about Wycombe last season yet see which league they are in now.
We've earnt nothing yet and have never liked to be called "the likes of doncaster" let's not start that now and actually give Wimbledon the respect they deserve.
I think this will be one of our toughest games yet. They are doing well this season, plus will want to start well in their new ground even with no fans there. They're only 3 points behind us and all games have been close so far. I've no doubt they will have seen how suspect bursik was on Sat and will be targeting that quiet rightly.
I obviously want 3 points but if we get a draw i think that can still be classed as a good result. I'm thinking 2-2
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I agree - they will maybe have the new Ground "bounce" but wont have the Fans there as we did v Huddersfield when opening the Keepmoat
They will be tough to beat but hopefully it can be done - because we are 11 v 11 (at the KO) and we are not playing against the Ground
I am waiting for the Crystal Ball to "mark my card" on the result before entering PvO this week
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Ben Whiteman has already been quoted in the YP about learning to win ugly, if we are to mount a challenge. Tuesday night seems like a good time to put that into practice, as Wimbledon games are never easy.
Hopefully, the injured lads are back into contention this week, including the long lost Tulloch! (Did we actually sign him?). It will ease the burden a little and increase the choices off the bench if JJ, Richards and Gomez are back with us. We’ve covered Tulloch’s loss by a combination of Taylor, Sims and Lokilo, but to have the lad back fit and available would be equally pleasing.
I must admit, Smith’s contribution higher up the pitch, v Lincoln, was an eye-opener but I’m not sure Reece James could match Gomez or Richards in that defensive slot.
I hope for, rather than expect, 3 points on Tuesday.
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As for Wimbledon that is the sort of team that would beat us the so called lesser clubs, we have no problem with the top sides
Sorry but I don't like the phrase "the so called lesser clubs" you'd probably have said that about Wycombe last season yet see which league they are in now.
We've earnt nothing yet and have never liked to be called "the likes of doncaster" let's not start that now and actually give Wimbledon the respect they deserve.
I think this will be one of our toughest games yet. They are doing well this season, plus will want to start well in their new ground even with no fans there. They're only 3 points behind us and all games have been close so far. I've no doubt they will have seen how suspect bursik was on Sat and will be targeting that quiet rightly.
I obviously want 3 points but if we get a draw i think that can still be classed as a good result. I'm thinking 2-2
ok IF YOU LIKE teams below us in the league, is that better
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As for Wimbledon that is the sort of team that would beat us the so called lesser clubs, we have no problem with the top sides
Sorry but I don't like the phrase "the so called lesser clubs" you'd probably have said that about Wycombe last season yet see which league they are in now.
We've earnt nothing yet and have never liked to be called "the likes of doncaster" let's not start that now and actually give Wimbledon the respect they deserve.
I think this will be one of our toughest games yet. They are doing well this season, plus will want to start well in their new ground even with no fans there. They're only 3 points behind us and all games have been close so far. I've no doubt they will have seen how suspect bursik was on Sat and will be targeting that quiet rightly.
I obviously want 3 points but if we get a draw i think that can still be classed as a good result. I'm thinking 2-2
ok IF YOU LIKE teams below us in the league, is that better
Much better Vicar. Who are the Lesser teams?
Sunderland probably think all the other 23 teams in the
league are “ lesser teams” as they have a support base far in excess of any of the other clubs.
Are Sunderland top? No. They are spending their 3rd consecutive season in this league. They could very easily spend a 4th or 5th.
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... and STILL lose to us in Wembley Play offs eh ?
80000 crowd split 60k vs 20k
1-0 to the little guys lol
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... and STILL lose to us in Wembley Play offs eh ?
80000 crowd split 60k vs 20k
1-0 to the little guys lol
Come on Wolf this Wembley only holds 90.000. We would take 25,000 wouldn’t we? Yes I am splitting hairs and the point you make is the so called “big” clubs don’t have a divine right to finish top.
If they did then the season is over before it even starts. Sunderland are champions and either Portsmouth or Ipswich are runners up with Hull 4th. Hell of a scramble for 5th & 6th
Sorry you put 80,000. I am losing the plot Wolf
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OK - no problem - and I was going to put 25000 as well as that would not be unrealistic
55000 v 25000
I still fancy the 1-0 to the mighty Reds though :thumbsup: :scarf:
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Sorry to p*ss on your chips lads, but if we reach Wembley in the play-offs it will be in an empty stadium.
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This season for me has chance to have some real twist s yet , there's teams having to postpone 3 games in a row now and that's before weather breaks. With a bad winter there could be fixture congestion like never before and possiblity of clubs going bust and associated point deductions it could turn into a right lottery.
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Sorry to p*ss on your chips lads, but if we reach Wembley in the play-offs it will be in an empty stadium.
We will still win 1-0 SS :)
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Sorry to p*ss on your chips lads, but if we reach Wembley in the play-offs it will be in an empty stadium.
Ah but I was reacting to Reply#30 "Sunderland spending a 3rd consecutive Season in Div 1 and they could easily spend a 4th or 5th " ..... and I meant that we could still do them at Wembley even after that 5th Season
Surely we will be back by then - well hopefully or the lower Divisions will be "gone"
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It made me chuckle Idler....
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Im hoping that just as Home advantage seems to be slightly "subdued" since Teams have played in empty Grounds that the same might happen with AFCWs new Ground
They will be desperate to win but there wont be anywhere near the euphoria as when we played Hudders - and our squad will not be as attached to the fact thats its new. They will see it no differently I assume to Plymouth away and hopefully "poach" a result off the back of my belief
So probably 3-0 to them now stitched on . Someone can remind me tomorrow of the above "theory"
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I am trying to generate a discussion point here to fill the empty void before kick off, but there cannot be too many clubs that have twice been the opponents in a newly opened ground?
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I am trying to generate a discussion point here to fill the empty void before kick off, but there cannot be too many clubs that have twice been the opponents in a newly opened ground?
Another one for Dutch Uncle i think.
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CBcb, I am happy in the fact they have named their new stadium The New Plough Lane which looking at it at least we had managed to have had a little success at The Old Plough Lane rather than slink away from Kingsmeadow wondering just what we were trying to do there.
Going on recent games at their ground Pigott has been instrumental in most good things they have done, Anderson, Wright, and Butler having difficult games against him in the past, and their constant probing down the flanks to their front wide men, although we are better served with defenders now than with Mason and whoever came out of the hat at left back, injuries and incomprehensible decisions from officials as well going against us on a few occasions down there during games.
With no crowd present it would be ironic if we at last put on a display anywhere near our normal standard, as the Wimbledon crowd who were regulars at Kingsmeadow must wonder how the hell we ever won any points in away games having watched the dross we habitually put in front of them as entertainment in games down there in the last few seasons.
So I am looking forward to the new surroundings, hoping the jinx or spell is broken and we at last put a display on that we all know we are capable of, my only regret is that their fans and ours will not be able to be there supporting our teams, and putting two fingers up to the authorities and those at the helm of football in this country that did their best and failed to ever let a game like this take place all those years ago and sold the heart of a club down the river, only to lose big time to a set of proper football fans who refused to give in, the people in football who will always come out on top of the spivs running the game.
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The lads are going to be buoyed by the Lincoln performance and result...
Many played out of their comfort zones and weren’t found wanting, maybe not Stella performances but good team performances, and that’s what counts....
tonight is a great opportunity to start believing that the team can be jiggled and still reap rewards...
Result: 1-3
Feji
Sims
Taylor
Maybe!
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The lads are going to be buoyed by the Lincoln performance and result...
Many played out of their comfort zones and weren’t found wanting, maybe not Stella performances but good team performances, and that’s what counts....
tonight is a great opportunity to start believing that the team can be jiggled and still reap rewards...
Result: 1-3
Feji
Sims
Taylor
Maybe!
This is going to be a tough game tonight. Dons will be desperate to win at their new home.
I will snap your hand off for a 1-3 win.
A scrappy 0-1 Win last min penalty will do nicely thankyou.
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We get cheated there regularly, not least the absurd Marquis dismissal the other year. Hopefully the absence of a crowd might change that. Not holding out hope for an even hand from the officials though.
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Palace, Charlton, AFC Wimbledon. At all of them we regularly get cheated. Notice the theme there.
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Palace, Charlton, AFC Wimbledon. At all of them we regularly get cheated. Notice the theme there.
were bad losers? :-)
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Just to add to some of the Lou two from the other day, the fa cup tie goes ahead..
As for tonight’s game, it will be our toughest and most important of the season..
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I am trying to generate a discussion point here to fill the empty void before kick off, but there cannot be too many clubs that have twice been the opponents in a newly opened ground?
I may be completely unknowledgable here CBCB, but when were we opponents in another newly opened ground?
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Brighton i think
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Maybe a nudge and a wink tonight. Let them win and make history and headlines as long as we're assured of 3 points at the Keepmoat!
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Is it 7-45 ko? all others are 7pm I think. Why just us kicking off at this time? Seems nonsensical to me.
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According to the bbc website both the games at Wimbledon and Northampton kick off at 7.45.
Not sure why that would be nonsensical.?
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Brighton i think
Yeah, completely forgot.
Apologies to CBCB.
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According to the bbc website both the games at Wimbledon and Northampton kick off at 7.45.
Not sure why that would be nonsensical.?
Saw this on the football heaven Twitter feed
Unfortunately we can't bring you full commentary of AFC Wimbledon v #DRFC due to broadcast facilities not ready at the new Plough Lane. So it's Cardiff v #barnsleyfc on FM (7.45) with updates of #drfc. #swfc v Bournemouth on AM & digital (7pm) starting on all frequencies.
COYR
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Maybe a nudge and a wink tonight. Let them win and make history and headlines as long as we're assured of 3 points at the Keepmoat!
NO - lets get 6 Points out of 'em :scarf:
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Is it 7-45 ko? all others are 7pm I think. Why just us kicking off at this time? Seems nonsensical to me.
We did this topic v Plymouth - I will paste what I put
Here it is - saves typing all out again
I think I read a while back that "long" journeys such as Rovers v Ipswich would be brought forward to 7 pm then the Coach gets them back without an overnight stay
However if the journey is a "long long" one like Plymouth the Player travel down on the day of the game - have a normal KO and then stay overnight (departing the following day with a bag containing 3 Points)
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Is it 7-45 ko? all others are 7pm I think. Why just us kicking off at this time? Seems nonsensical to me.
We did this topic v Plymouth - I will ppaste what I put
Don’t you mean ppaste what you pput.
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How on Earth didn’t we win that one.
So very nearly lost it. We need to have an end product when you have 75% of the possession.
Over all I thought we were very good on the ball tonight and if it had been a boxing match it would have been stopped well before full time.
Copps to the rescue.
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Yep, very good performance but as you say, not putting the chances away has cost us the win.
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The sooner John Jules is back the better. Okinbiri not good enough for me. Far too slow at reacting to balls in and around him
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That was utter rubbish 2 points lost
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Why is Lokilo’s first touch the equivalent of trying to bring down a wall with a sledgehammer? It’s every single time he takes the ball while moving
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That was utter rubbish 2 points lost
No way was it utter ubbish.
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For most part all we wanted to do is walk it in. We meet to learn how to open a defence up that park the bus
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That was utter rubbish 2 points lost
What, we murdered them. The Wimbledon commentators were very impressed with us constantly calling us a quality side.
We just lacked an end product. If we had one then we would have scored at least 5 goals.
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To me it was but we was ok up to the 18 yard box then no idea
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We've played well for 90 mins but I'm really angry.
We cannot keep dominating to that degree and be totally inept in the box.
I don't know what planet Fejiri was on tonight but he was so out of touch with his positioning, being stood offside uneccesarily, and his first touch was appalling.
Kinda summed up us trying to score perfect goals again with Taylor, Smith, Simms, Copps and Lokilo all making goalscoring look like it's as hard the Krypton factor!
It's a shame because we play some delightful football up to the edge of the area!
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Scoring a goal is the hardest thing to do in football.
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To me it was but we was ok up to the 18 yard box then no idea
We have never played anywhere near as well at Wimbledon in previous seasons.
It was a travesty we didn’t win that game tonight. Yes we have to be more ruthless in front of goal.
What about that foul on Smith i think, in the penalty area 1st half. Looked a nailed on penalty to me.
We never get the decisions against that lot away from home do we.
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From what little I saw (huge buffering issues) we played well and deserved to win, but the stark fact is that we didn’t. Yet another game that we’ve had the chances but failed to deliver - we keep saying that if we keep it up the results will look after themselves but it’s another one gone now with points dropped against a lesser team (I know some people object to that but I’ll have a bet with anyone that Wimbledon will finish in the bottom half this year. We have to start winning these types of game). If we have any hopes of finishing in the playoffs we need to start putting consistent winning runs together. Hopefully we’re nearly there and it will come together soon.
Again I thought Bursik looks like an accident waiting to happen. Didn’t see the second goal but thought he was at fault for the first (although to be fair I only saw one jerky replay so could be wrong!) I’m hoping that Jones starts on Saturday and has a chance to stake his claim for a starting spot in the league.
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I can remember writing on here Pigott was a fish in our pool we should be looking at as a signing last season, ah well.
Another game we should have won and dominated and lost points to a team who are not as good as ourselves, but better in front of goal on the night certainly a trend that needs to be changed before it makes it hard to achieve anything in the league this season, and for finances sake a trend we have to put right before the cup games on Saturday and next Tuesday if a lot of interest is to be there for the supporters to enjoy the rest of the season does not disappear, and of course the monetary rewards that could make a big difference to the club this season.
We just have to learn quickly a way to win matches against teams that by our standards are not as good a football team but battle or it will be very costly, starting Saturday.
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2 points dropped that because they were bloody shite.
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Wish we had Pigott in our team Brian.
A natural goal scorer and with the chances we create he would be having a field day in our team.
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You get nothing in football 🥅 if you dominate a game and you can’t score goals
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20 shots, 7 on target.
We need a goalscorer from somewhere and I don’t think he’s currently in the squad and, no, I don’t mean JJ. We can forget about top 6 if this problem isn’t sorted. Throwing points away.
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Watched game - frustrating - so much possession with no final product - interestingly the stats said crosses completed 2 out of 22......v poor
Should have had 3 points - lucky to get 1 - huge deflection
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20 shots, 7 on target.
We need a goals Ofer from somewhere and I don’t think he’s currently in the squad and, no, I don’t mean JJ. We can forget about top 6 if this problem isn’t sorted. Throwing points away.
Alan, dont forget that shots blocked by defenders, even if on target, dont count as shots on target.
Strange but true i know.
We had half a dozen shots on target tonight that were blocked by defenders.
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20 shots, 7 on target.
We need a goals Ofer from somewhere and I don’t think he’s currently in the squad and, no, I don’t mean JJ. We can forget about top 6 if this problem isn’t sorted. Throwing points away.
Alan, dont forget that shots blocked by defenders, even if on target, dont count as shots on target.
Strange but true i know.
We had half a dozen shots on target tonight that were blocked by defenders.
6 off target
7 blocked
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Fej was very, very poor tonight.
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We made them look shite apart from their finishing which is where it matters.
For all the good work in training which converts into really good football on the pitch, you do wonder what on earth they do on finishing.
I wouldn't mind if it was 'one of those games' when it wouldn't go in but it's getting to a point where it needs some attention. It's bordering on incompetence. It's decision making and striking the ball at the vital moments.
There were many examples tonight but in quick succession Danny Amos tried to cross a ball in hope to the far post when it was easier to shoot. Then Simms got on the end of a great ball over the top and elected to head it across the edge of the box instead of taking it on his chest where he would have been one on one. Wtf is going on. If you are a footballer, it's highly desirable to score goals no matter what position you play. Why our players don't have that desire from within 20 yards is a mystery to me and you no doubt.
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20 shots, 7 on target.
We need a goals Ofer from somewhere and I don’t think he’s currently in the squad and, no, I don’t mean JJ. We can forget about top 6 if this problem isn’t sorted. Throwing points away.
On another day like the Ipswich game the chances are converted. Tonight nothing quite dropped for us.
Ferji never seemed to be on the end of anything tonight and if Pigott was playing for us he would probably have had 4 goals at least with the number of chances we created.
Alan, dont forget that shots blocked by defenders, even if on target, dont count as shots on target.
Strange but true i know.
We had half a dozen shots on target tonight that were blocked by defenders.
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That was utter rubbish 2 points lost
No way was it utter ubbish.
hound mate I said it was rubbish because with all the domination we had no idea when we got near the 18 yard box
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But "it" wasnt rubbish was it.
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2 points dropped that because they were bloody shite.
2 points dropped because we only scored 2 goals. To say that was shite is a ridiculous statement imo.
We tore them apart with our quality passing game. The football was of a very high standard and SOD would have been very proud of that possession football we played tonight.
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20 shots, 7 on target.
We need a goals Ofer from somewhere and I don’t think he’s currently in the squad and, no, I don’t mean JJ. We can forget about top 6 if this problem isn’t sorted. Throwing points away.
Alan, dont forget that shots blocked by defenders, even if on target, dont count as shots on target.
Strange but true i know.
We had half a dozen shots on target tonight that were blocked by defenders.
Also Alan, even using the BBC method of giving shots on target stats, on Portsmouth and Plymouth had more shots on target than us tonight.
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Fejiri was really out of sorts tonight. He’s worked hard and sometimes played well since coming back into the team but maybe tonight was a game too far for him and we desperately need some cover/competition, even someone we can bring off the bench.
Seems like history is repeating itself a bit. Time to dig through the little black book and see what Thomas and Bingham are up to ;)
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Fejiri was really out of sorts tonight. He’s worked hard and sometimes played well since coming back into the team but maybe tonight was a game too far for him and we desperately need some cover/competition, even someone we can bring off the bench.
Seems like history is repeating itself a bit. Time to dig through the little black book and see what Thomas and Bingham are up to ;)
Funnily enough I was just thinking about Bingham and Fejiri's performance tonight. Thing is, Bingham improved.
Fejiri had a storming game v Ipswich and you think, at last, he's hitting form. Some of his play tonight was nothing due to form though and at best, it could be fatigue, at worst, he just couldn't be arsed. I'd like to give him the benefit of doubt and say fatigue because he hasnt got a back up at the mo.
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Fejiri was really out of sorts tonight. He’s worked hard and sometimes played well since coming back into the team but maybe tonight was a game too far for him and we desperately need some cover/competition, even someone we can bring off the bench.
Seems like history is repeating itself a bit. Time to dig through the little black book and see what Thomas and Bingham are up to ;)
Funnily enough I was just thinking about Bingham and Fejiri's performance tonight. Thing is, Bingham improved.
Fejiri had a storming game v Ipswich and you think, at last, he's hitting form. Some of his play tonight was nothing due to form though and at best, it could be fatigue, at worst, he just couldn't be arsed. I'd like to give him the benefit of doubt and say fatigue because he hasnt got a back up at the mo.
I think it is more likely that your last sentence is the more accurate mate.
He is ploughing a lone furrow with very little support and two games a week in a month is very hard on him.
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What is worrying is no straight answer on when the other two lads are coming back.
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That was utter rubbish 2 points lost
What, we murdered them. The Wimbledon commentators were very impressed with us constantly calling us a quality side.
We just lacked an end product. If we had one then we would have scored at least 5 goals.
Agree with your post Campsall but why were you listening to the opposition commentary?
Hound, think you're bang on with Fej. Feel people are being too harsh on him tonight.
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You get nothing in football 🥅 if you dominate a game and you can’t score goals
Agreed but that doesn’t mean we were utter rubbish
We weren’t
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We play a mobile, ball to feet quick passing game, we need a mobile centre forward capable of moving off the ball making space receiving and attacking the goal. Fej is not that. At best he’s an old fashioned big target man. Not our style, I’d put Simms in there he’s more than capable
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No we were good in midfield but defence we went to sleep twice and in attacking was non existant
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As for Wimbledon that is the sort of team that would beat us the so called lesser clubs, we have no problem with the top sides
Sorry but I don't like the phrase "the so called lesser clubs" you'd probably have said that about Wycombe last season yet see which league they are in now.
We've earnt nothing yet and have never liked to be called "the likes of doncaster" let's not start that now and actually give Wimbledon the respect they deserve.
I think this will be one of our toughest games yet. They are doing well this season, plus will want to start well in their new ground even with no fans there. They're only 3 points behind us and all games have been close so far. I've no doubt they will have seen how suspect bursik was on Sat and will be targeting that quiet rightly.
I obviously want 3 points but if we get a draw i think that can still be classed as a good result. I'm thinking 2-2
Bit tough on vicar there and we do revel in " the likes of Donny " - we wear it like a badge of honour .
Godlike this is a " lesser team " a team below us and certainly not the size of say Ipswich .
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2 points dropped that because they were bloody shite.
2 points dropped because we only scored 2 goals. To say that was shite is a ridiculous statement imo.
We tore them apart with our quality passing game. The football was of a very high standard and SOD would have been very proud of that possession football we played tonight.
Hate to agree with you... but I do.
Was a joy to watch.
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Fejiri was really out of sorts tonight. He’s worked hard and sometimes played well since coming back into the team but maybe tonight was a game too far for him and we desperately need some cover/competition, even someone we can bring off the bench.
Seems like history is repeating itself a bit. Time to dig through the little black book and see what Thomas and Bingham are up to ;)
Funnily enough I was just thinking about Bingham and Fejiri's performance tonight. Thing is, Bingham improved.
Fejiri had a storming game v Ipswich and you think, at last, he's hitting form. Some of his play tonight was nothing due to form though and at best, it could be fatigue, at worst, he just couldn't be arsed. I'd like to give him the benefit of doubt and say fatigue because he hasnt got a back up at the mo.
I think it is more likely that your last sentence is the more accurate mate.
He is ploughing a lone furrow with very little support and two games a week in a month is very hard on him.
It's hard on every player hound, particularly the ever presents for whom there is also no hiding place but their standards are surpassing Fejiri's at the mo. I really want him to come good as he's better than that.
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When last season was curtailed and this pre- season started we all watched our centre forward and thought we had a replacement for Marquis in the making.
Then what happened along comes a youngster from a premiership side who we are assured there is no he has to play or you pay clause , but it makes no difference at all our decent centre forward is parked on the bench even before the loanee plays a game.
That has completely destroyed the trust between the manager and player in my mind, there is definitely something wrong there, and the player thinks no matter what I do when JJ returns I am out, and to me he might be right, trust a little word that goes a long way.
Then up to a fortnight ago every game we were praising our back four and especially the two central defenders who were looking like Jones and McComb solid as rocks backed up by two good hard running good defenders at full back and we were not letting goals in.
So what do we do play one full back in midfield drop the other full back and move a central defender wider.
It has disrupted the spine of the team which was solid at the back and looked dangerous up front, and people wonder why we don't put consistent runs of results together.
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Can't agree with any of that Selby, it's complete conjecture to suggest trust has broken down between Fejiri and Moore...all because ue didn't play for a couple of games! That one really needs putting to bed.
As for the surprise tactical changes...we beat the league leaders after doing it!
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Four tough league fixtures in a row ahead.
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Injuries at vital times is what is costing us points and performance in-front of goal with the lack of variation possible with only one target man .
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RA, we are tinkering, it does not work never has as far as putting a run of winning results together.
I would have no problems with starting Saturdays game with the same side again, but would not put money on it, nor do I think it is the best line up we can play with the players we have at our disposal.
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One problem I've noticed is a vulnerability when defending our right flank. All 4 goals conceded at Plymouth and Wimbledon were identical, with low crosses coming in from the left and flat-footing our defenders.
I've no technical knowledge on training and coaching methods, but surely something occurring as regularly as that can be worked upon on the training ground?
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For most part all we wanted to do is walk it in. We meet to learn how to open a defence up that park the bus
Totally agree. Think we need to —- shoot more.
I believe the majority of our goals Earlier in the season were shots from outside the box. A shot can rebound, deflect or cause defence problems and resultant chances if not dealt with. Shoot more - score more.
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When last season was curtailed and this pre- season started we all watched our centre forward and thought we had a replacement for Marquis in the making.
Then what happened along comes a youngster from a premiership side who we are assured there is no he has to play or you pay clause , but it makes no difference at all our decent centre forward is parked on the bench even before the loanee plays a game.
That has completely destroyed the trust between the manager and player in my mind, there is definitely something wrong there, and the player thinks no matter what I do when JJ returns I am out, and to me he might be right, trust a little word that goes a long way.
Then up to a fortnight ago every game we were praising our back four and especially the two central defenders who were looking like Jones and McComb solid as rocks backed up by two good hard running good defenders at full back and we were not letting goals in.
So what do we do play one full back in midfield drop the other full back and move a central defender wider.
It has disrupted the spine of the team which was solid at the back and looked dangerous up front, and people wonder why we don't put consistent runs of results together.
If that’s Fejis mentality then it’s all wrong
He should be making it impossible to be dropped, but in reality he’s making it easy for Moore to drop
Him
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The manager is not ‘tinkering’, he’s doing the best to keep (what few) players he has available, fresh. The only problem is he can’t do that with Fej. JM would have been loving all this responsibility, but for Fej it seems to be wearing him down. Like Dickos says, he has the perfect platform to make sure he simply can’t be dropped for anyone and, instead, he’s almost begging to be taken out!
The other problem area that’s not getting any better is the goalkeeping. We are worse in defence because it’s not Seny in there, he would have saved us several points already imho.
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I’ve mentioned this a few times :lol:, but you never drop somebody who is in high form, and when that player has never seen the team prior to the game-what would you think/feel.
It was very noticeable when Fej scored his first goal, the whole team made a bit of a point in congratulating him- it was more than the usual!
That is football though, and you do have to get on with it, and prove your point.
I do not think his touch was great tonight, but to blame him for tonight is silly- we never created one single chance for him.
The game flattered us, and was easy to think we were far better than them, but I think the game plan was to let our defenders have the ball, and capitalise on any mistakes.
Please correct me, but I do not remember one single chance for Fej.
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Is he exempt from making his own chances?
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As for Wimbledon that is the sort of team that would beat us the so called lesser clubs, we have no problem with the top sides
Sorry but I don't like the phrase "the so called lesser clubs" you'd probably have said that about Wycombe last season yet see which league they are in now.
We've earnt nothing yet and have never liked to be called "the likes of doncaster" let's not start that now and actually give Wimbledon the respect they deserve.
I think this will be one of our toughest games yet. They are doing well this season, plus will want to start well in their new ground even with no fans there. They're only 3 points behind us and all games have been close so far. I've no doubt they will have seen how suspect bursik was on Sat and will be targeting that quiet rightly.
I obviously want 3 points but if we get a draw i think that can still be classed as a good result. I'm thinking 2-2
Bit tough on vicar there and we do revel in " the likes of Donny " - we wear it like a badge of honour .
Godlike this is a " lesser team " a team below us and certainly not the size of say Ipswich .
Wish I'd put a bet on that score line
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2 points dropped that because they were bloody shite.
2 points dropped because we only scored 2 goals. To say that was shite is a ridiculous statement imo.
We tore them apart with our quality passing game. The football was of a very high standard and SOD would have been very proud of that possession football we played tonight.
Re read what I said, I said it was 2 points dropped because THEY were shite.
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Whatever is in in Feiji’s head he looked a lost soul out there
last night .His body language was not that of a winner for sure .I think when JJ is back he may flourish if Darren plays two up front so let’s not condemn the lad .
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Is he exempt from making his own chances?
No he isn't, but they parked the bus last night, and it was not a night for a striker to create his own chances - there simply wasn't the space, his movement does create openings for others though.
He has very quickly become a fall guy, for what I believe to be a poor passing performance - the final ball never made its intended destination, credit to Wimbledon for actually defended pretty well. No mention of the midfield that totally flatlined in the second half, and looked devoid of ideas, leaving gaping holes and the defence exposed.
Its all opinions, but I ,am well and truly in the strikers union!
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As for Wimbledon that is the sort of team that would beat us the so called lesser clubs, we have no problem with the top sides
But we haven’t beat Wimbledon the last 3 times we played them away before last night. In fact we lost all 3 . We need to be be more switched on to stop sloppy goals. We need to take chances. We deserved something from the game last night and it took a large deflection to get it.
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And we only managed one goal across those three games. We scored twice last night.
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Its alright passing it but you need to pass with purpose. Passing the ball to Taylor on the wing then next thing you know our goalkeep is kicking it out for a throwing to them.
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Yep, very good performance but as you say, not putting the chances away has cost us the win.
Yup .. a good performance spoiled by a bad result and no sign of ruthlessness again .
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Fej is tired !
He’s covered a lot of hard yards over the last few games and not had as much support as he needs to be effective...
Personally I think he plays too high, and the 3 supporting him can’t get past him to find space, he needs to be receiving the ball to feet around the 25m mark and have at least 2-3 options to give and go, or just turn and give....he certainly has the ability to turn in tight areas and can hold up a good ball..
I think the pace of our attacking game forces the opposition to defend in greater numbers much deeper, the defence need to get the ball straight to whiteman who must look to find fej immediately...and in a better position even if it means dragging the centre back up the field....
Last night was great to watch yet frustrating as hell...
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One problem I've noticed is a vulnerability when defending our right flank. All 4 goals conceded at Plymouth and Wimbledon were identical, with low crosses coming in from the left and flat-footing our defenders.
I've no technical knowledge on training and coaching methods, but surely something occurring as regularly as that can be worked upon on the training ground?
Careful some will disagree with you about that right flank :chair: :chair:
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2 points dropped that because they were bloody shite.
2 points dropped because we only scored 2 goals. To say that was shite is a ridiculous statement imo.
We tore them apart with our quality passing game. The football was of a very high standard and SOD would have been very proud of that possession football we played tonight.
Re read what I said, I said it was 2 points dropped because THEY were shite.
“They” could be us or them. That wasn’t at all clear.
Yes they were made to look very poor by us dominating the ball. One thing they were not “shite” at was taking their chances.
We were though at taking our chances, and that’s why we only drew a game we should have won by at least
3 clear goals imo.
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2 points dropped that because they were bloody shite.
2 points dropped because we only scored 2 goals. To say that was shite is a ridiculous statement imo.
We tore them apart with our quality passing game. The football was of a very high standard and SOD would have been very proud of that possession football we played tonight.
Re read what I said, I said it was 2 points dropped because THEY were shite.
“They” could be us or them. That wasn’t at all clear.
Yes they were made to look very poor by us dominating the ball. One thing they were not “shite” at was taking their chances.
We were though at taking our chances, and that’s why we only drew a game we should have won by at least
3 clear goals imo.
It's not about how much we dominated the ball it's about what we did with it.
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No we were good in midfield but defence we went to sleep twice and in attacking was non existant
Agree we did go to sleep twice and we should have run out winners . It' s no use going to sleep twice and losing 2 points . Once is an error twice is unacceptable. If we keep picking up points from those above then chuck them away against teams beneath us ; chances are we end up near the middle of the table . We need Championship football to bring in the crowds and the revenue for our fans and especially our owners.