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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: redbrez on February 18, 2017, 05:58:10 pm
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Biggest posotive , I thought he changed the game
Marquis got marked out the game
And I thought grant and wroe werent in the game
Grant doesn't look the same player to me,
And can we have meet the owners at a later date next season ,always seems to relate with us having a wobble
And Alcock my mom too.
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Glad someone else has made the point on Grant. Doesn't seem as effective with us this season. Hope I get to be proved wrong in due course.
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Thank god it's not just me too. Was going to ask the question about him being good enough and had my tin hat at the ready. Just doesn't do it for me at all. Picked up from where he left off last season.
Really frustrated me in last few mins when he had chance to shoot but played an awful ball to marquis instead. Then the free kick at the death was asking to be leathered at that keeper, who imo was shit, but instead but another floated nothing ball into the box where we hadn't won a single header all day.
Mcsheffrey should've had it really. Best dead ball player at the club.
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Looked really good when he came on, they doubled up on Marquis & gave him no space at all, Williams was totally ineffective & when he did turn his man just ran with his head down & lost possession, give May a go now, maybe a spell on the bench will do him good, got my doubts though.
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I said last week Mc Sheffrey was worth a goal, and there we are, run them ragged
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marquis looks injured to me
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Sums up my thoughts on Grant and Rowe. However both Grant and Coppinger committed the cardinal sin of not shooting when in the ideal position. Just gets my goat that pro footballers don't take these chances. Their player who scored didn't wait for a second invitation did he!
Positives are that May and McSheffrey could be the tonic we need to freshen things up. These next four games could seal it.
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I said it about Grant after 2 games. Not really had an impact at all.
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I said it about Grant after 2 games. Not really had an impact at all.
Just had a look at our goal today and it looked like McS won the tackle with the ball running to Grant, he put a perfectly weighted ball through to May who put it away brilliantly. I cant make any accurate comment about Grants recent performances but that was a great bit of impact play for me by Grant.
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Mcsheffrey and Alfie May had a big impact when coming on, we were looking a bit stale until they came on, and once we get Mandeville back we will have good options, just going through a little blip we will be back to winning ways next week.
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Sums up my thoughts on Grant and Rowe. However both Grant and Coppinger committed the cardinal sin of not shooting when in the ideal position. Just gets my goat that pro footballers don't take these chances. Their player who scored didn't wait for a second invitation did he!
Positives are that May and McSheffrey could be the tonic we need to freshen things up. These next four games could seal it.
The time that Copps dribbled through into a shooting position, I also expected him to have a go.
However his pass to Williams wrong footed the whole defence and AW's shot was a couple of inches away from being a goal.
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I said it about Grant after 2 games. Not really had an impact at all.
To say he hasn't had an impact is nonsense. What I would say is he is reuctant to shoot when given the opportunity, unlike last season.
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Great to see McSheffrey back in action and I was a little disappointed he didn't get a bigger reception when he came on.
He looked sharp and it reminded me what we've been missing. I said to my daughter, who's not seen him play before, it was like making a new signing for our promotion run-in.
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Sums up my thoughts on Grant and Rowe. However both Grant and Coppinger committed the cardinal sin of not shooting when in the ideal position. Just gets my goat that pro footballers don't take these chances. Their player who scored didn't wait for a second invitation did he!
Positives are that May and McSheffrey could be the tonic we need to freshen things up. These next four games could seal it.
Yes Hound it did and any other player may have scored, the total team and Marquis especially have been trying to gift Williams a goal for his confidence..Not happening... THe result is what matters not a players confidence.
The time that Copps dribbled through into a shooting position, I also expected him to have a go.
However his pass to Williams wrong footed the whole defence and AW's shot was a couple of inches away from being a goal.
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Grant hasn't been anything special but he made an impact in yesterday's game by playing Alfie in for the goal
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Good to see McSheffery back and playing but I'm not sure he's ready to do a full 90 minutes yet. But should be good for 60 minutes in place of Houghton.
Thought May looked lively when he came and took his chance really well, did not look out of place. I'd start him against Stanley on Saturday in place of AW, who has struggled in the last few weeks/games
COYR
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Don't think McSheffery will be rushed back into it. There is no reason to risk injury. Give him a few substitute cameos and fetch him back in to the fold for the final 10 games or so.
He's a very good player but the last thing we or even he will want is to aggravate the injury.(even more so at his age)
It must've been very frustrating for him this season though. He was one of the few positives from last season.
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Where is this idea that Gary McSheffrey, winger/striker, can play as a holding midfielder coming from all of a sudden?...
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Sorry some people not thinking straight if they thing McSheffrey can do Houghton's job. Two completely different players.
Also DF states McSheffrey is not even match fit enough to do 45 mins yet, let alone 90
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Good to see McSheffery back and playing but I'm not sure he's ready to do a full 90 minutes yet. But should be good for 60 minutes in place of Houghton.
Thought May looked lively when he came and took his chance really well, did not look out of place. I'd start him against Stanley on Saturday in place of AW, who has struggled in the last few weeks/games
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DF said that GM can't really manage a longer stint than he did yesterday due to fitness. Hopefully that will improve week on week.
His experience will come in very handy.
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Looks likely Middleton will replace Houghton. I thought he did ok when he came on.
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Middleton or Keegan for the Houghton role.
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Middleton or Keegan for the Houghton role.
Mason, bring Joe Wright into the back three and play Mason there, in my opinion he'd be a better player there
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That could also work Filo and I had considered it too.
However I am hoping that we play a back four.
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Rowe for the Houghton role and McSheffery out wide in the Rowe role for the first 60 mins the. Middleton on for McSheffery he takes over from Rowe and Rowe moves out wide
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Rowe for the Houghton role and McSheffery out wide in the Rowe role for the first 60 mins the. Middleton on for McSheffery he takes over from Rowe and Rowe moves out wide
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Never!
Rowe needs to be used in an attacking role, Either wingback, out left in midfield orbehind a front 3, no way on earth is Rowe a holding midfielder
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He's been played there by his previous clubs before.
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And based on yesterday's performance Filo, no way is Rowe a wing back. Flatly refused to take a man on, every time he just pulled up and passed it back to Mason.
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He's been played there by his previous clubs before.
He has and he is nowhere near as effective in that role.
You can't have talented players like Rowe,Coppinger,Grant and play them out of position.
It is a massive waste of talent.
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Mason has made as many mistakes as Evina this season, without the criticism from the fans.
It is funny how one gets it in the neck for every mistake, or bad cross,but there has not been much said about Masons poor defending, and the attempted clearance that have cost us two goals against in the last two games.
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I genuinely don't feel that Mason is a defender. I don't think playing there is doing him any favours.
The boy was on real Madrid books from a young age and viewed as a hot prospect. Fergie rates him. He obviously has something about him. I hope he gets a chance as a holding midfielder.
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Mason is OK as a full back in a 4 but is not comfortable playing in a 3 as a centre back.
He was putting in some excellent performances a few weeks a go before DF went back to a 3
When Baudry is back I think he will go back to what was working as a flat back 4 with Mason at left back.
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I bet DF will play Baudry in the Houghton rôle ; an option he mentions in the latest interview .
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Was just gonna say that!
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I think that would be madness. He's been our best defender for me. He's needed more at the back than in midfield.
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We need to start well and get the confidence going.
An early goal would be a tonic. I wonder how much they will miss the lad that got sent off on Saturday?
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We need to start well and get the confidence going.
An early goal would be a tonic. I wonder how much they will miss the lad that got sent off on Saturday?
Depends if its a one match ban or 3, they play tomorrow night.
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I think i am right in saying it was a straight red so it will be three games out.
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I thought that it said in the report that it was a straight red.
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Baudry is a good enough ball player for the centre mid role, for when we have possession, and could drop back alongside butler and wright when we don't...?
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Only seen him once in something like a midfield position.It cost us a goal at Oldham and the chance to have a cup run.
We have specialists in that position in Keegan and Middleton, or are we going to carry on trying to accomodate certain players and like Roe nullify their effectiveness.
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DF he seems to understand quite a bit about how his squad can be moved around and to date has managed to replace injured players very well. I bet there will be a few more surprising positional switches before end of season and McSheffrey , May and Lund will get games.
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We do have a very strong squad grange and it is good that some of the players can fill various roles.
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It's vital that some players can play in a variety of positions as long as you don't have too many jack of all trades and not enough masters.
A player such as Mason has a future of a midfield player and this spell in defence will have given him great experience. I hope he does get more of a chance to show what he can do. What I saw of him and Houghton in tandem at Notts Co impressed me in a difficult game on a pudding of a pitch.
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Grant coming in for us was like he was doing us a favour by pulling our shirt on the way the manager was going on about him. If anything i thought we were doing better in midfield before he joined him coming into the side just means Tommy Rowe getting put in an unnatural position when Rowe is the better player of the two.
I personally thought the midfield was spot on before he joined and though it's still a great midfield it isn't working as efficiently as it could be.
Tommy Rowe is a goal threat played centrally every week Grant for me isn't capable of doing the same for me it's a 'killing time' deal he won't join us permanently. The manager rates him far higher than i do.
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Sammy, it is the manager who picks the team not us, and its his opinion that ultimately matters. He rises or falls based on his decisions, I wouldn't want to be in his shoes.
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That's true no managers job is easy and it's nice to have options i just thought the balance was just right as it was Grant coming in hasn't improved us he hasn't quite produced the performances that justify Fergie's hyperbole about him.
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Maybe he thinks Grant will come into his own in L1, we wait to see.
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All of them are good players who will get better with games,I agree that as a team we were playing better with Roe more central,but would argue that Middleton has more to offer than Mason in midfield.I think he has a more expansive range of passing and plays with his head up than Mason who has not impressed me with his passing ability or distance he clears the ball,not aided with a right sided player playing on the left admitted.
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Mcsheffrey did very well to say how long he has been out for and it was very risky playing him at all..Even DF said he couldn't have played longer than he did and he is a million miles away...That goes to show that our options are still limited in that area when he feels he has to take those risks..I agree on Grant to most on here,hasnt really shown a great deal and what weve gained for me we've lost more by shuffling others out of there positions...
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McSheff is a couple of weeks away from being fit enough to start.
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Then we have to be rushing him Gaz,a couple of weeks to start means he hasn't had much time from returning to training to playing bearing in mind the length of time he has been out...DF didn't give the impression he was that close either....I hope your right though as I didn't expect him to feature until the last knockings of the season but it's certainly a position we need to be addressing in the summer...
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By that time I think he will have been back in training 6 weeks. 2 weeks pre training then 4 weeks full training. I may be wrong though.
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That's true no managers job is easy and it's nice to have options i just thought the balance was just right as it was Grant coming in hasn't improved us he hasn't quite produced the performances that justify Fergie's hyperbole about him.
Grant joined on 1st January, we won every game in January, when was the last time we won every game in a Calender month?
Need I say anymore?
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I agree with Filo.
Grant is a quality player and I hope we sign him permanently at the end of the season.
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Difficult one really,he's a good player but he needs to stand up a bit better in the face of the more physical teams...I did disagree when Fergie said we matched Luton physically I thought our defence did but our midfield were bullied for most of the game...I certainly wouldn't want to watch Luton every week..Not much of the beautiful game to enjoy with them...
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That's exactly the point I was going to make, Filo.
I think since Grant's been in the side we have looked like a top of the table team for probably the first time this season.
Our present drop in points corresponds with Boudry's absence.
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Grant doesn't look the player he did last season. Everyone must agree with that, it's probably due to not playing many first team games up to January. Hopefully, if we do sign him in the summer, after a proper pre season he can produce his best form again.
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That's true no managers job is easy and it's nice to have options i just thought the balance was just right as it was Grant coming in hasn't improved us he hasn't quite produced the performances that justify Fergie's hyperbole about him.
Grant joined on 1st January, we won every game in January, when was the last time we won every game in a Calender month?
Need I say anymore?
I'll say some more - I would say that we won the games in January because Marquis was on fire rather than because Grant gave us a lift. There have been glimpses of his ability but I think he is yet to have anywhere near the impact he had in his first spell with us. Hopefully he will kick on for the rest of the season though and show his class.
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Grant is being played too deep, he has more of an impact in a more attacking role.
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I agree. Trouble is we have Rowe, Coppinger and McSheffrey who all play the attacking role.
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When everyone is fit you could fit them all in a 4-2-3-1. It's not bad having too much quality going forward.
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Grant didn't look the same player after the corner incident last year
Think he's done "ok" this season but jury still out