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Quote from: SydneyRover on January 29, 2022, 09:18:05 pm400% is the future risk for the unvaccinated, as you asked and then deleted your comment WRSo is this another computer model projection? And I'm talking about long term health risks from taking a vaccine to my health, which cannot be known yet, it takes 10 years sometimes longer to get this data, it's not even 5 years yet.And again can you send me some data that doesn't involve a conflict of interest?
400% is the future risk for the unvaccinated, as you asked and then deleted your comment WR
Quote from: ColinDouglasHandshake on January 29, 2022, 08:56:52 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on January 29, 2022, 08:53:01 pmAnd for those that don't want to read about scientific thingies here's the short form.of 10 unvaccinated people, 5 died → the death rate among the unvaccinated is 50%of 50 vaccinated people, 5 died → the death rate among the vaccinated is 10%400% increased chance of dying without vaccinationIn a very limited vulnerable and elderly section of the population. With a few outliers naturally, as there is with anything like cancer for example. Young people get cancer and die, but it is still rare. 400% increased chance of dying without vaccination? For a healthy 30 year old? Or an 80 year old with multiple co-morbidities? You don't make it clear SR. I don't know how to make it clear for you CDH as I don't really know what you comprehend 7x I asked you to clarify something you posted the other day and still waiting, it's not worth the effort of engaging is it?
Quote from: SydneyRover on January 29, 2022, 08:53:01 pmAnd for those that don't want to read about scientific thingies here's the short form.of 10 unvaccinated people, 5 died → the death rate among the unvaccinated is 50%of 50 vaccinated people, 5 died → the death rate among the vaccinated is 10%400% increased chance of dying without vaccinationIn a very limited vulnerable and elderly section of the population. With a few outliers naturally, as there is with anything like cancer for example. Young people get cancer and die, but it is still rare. 400% increased chance of dying without vaccination? For a healthy 30 year old? Or an 80 year old with multiple co-morbidities? You don't make it clear SR.
And for those that don't want to read about scientific thingies here's the short form.of 10 unvaccinated people, 5 died → the death rate among the unvaccinated is 50%of 50 vaccinated people, 5 died → the death rate among the vaccinated is 10%400% increased chance of dying without vaccination
Quote from: Branton Red on January 29, 2022, 02:50:22 pmQuote from: ColinDouglasHandshake on January 29, 2022, 10:19:31 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 28, 2022, 11:02:10 pmRead that f**king Twitter thread I posted and you ignored. The vast majority of older people have medical issues you fool. That doesn't mean they are about to die.My mother has high blood pressure and has had a hearth attack. If some selfish Kitson infected her with COVID because they couldn't be arsed to take simple precautions, and she died, your take is that she was at death's door anyway so her death doesn't matter. You don't have a clue how ignorant, dangerous and plain disgusting your attitude is.Get some perspective BST for petes sake. The general population doesn't have a responsibility to keep your mother alive, though obviously nobody willingly wants her to perish. If there were a million people dying per day, the general population still do not have a responsibility to keep your mother alive. If a million people a day were dying then it would still be freedom of choice whether someone wanted to wear a mask or take a vaccine too. A point you have missed all the way through. This might be harsh or uncaring but it is the truth. I don't have to wear a mask or get vaccinated to protect anyone - and here's the key point - IF I DO NOT WANT TO. Because it is my body, my choice. Whether that makes me selfish, irresponsible, dangerous, ignorant and plain disgusting is irrelevant. What is relevant that it is my choice to make because we don't live in North f**king Korea me old. We don't want or need to be told what we should do with our bodies by Governments as it none of their f**king business.Unbelievable! A post that makes my blood boil and stomach churn at the same time. Sickening! I of course realised there were selfish prats out there uncaringly putting people more vulnerable than themselves at risk by not being vaccinated, not wearing masks, breaking lockdown and social-distancing rules etc etc but I thought they were just unthinking, uncaring neanderthals. To see a well structured, seemingly lucid argument why this sort of behaviour is acceptable is shocking. You're beyond selfish sir: your attitude, opinions and actions are vile bordering on evil.Give over you drama queen. I respect others rights to do what the hell they like with their bodies. Because i'm not the selfish one!
Quote from: ColinDouglasHandshake on January 29, 2022, 10:19:31 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 28, 2022, 11:02:10 pmRead that f**king Twitter thread I posted and you ignored. The vast majority of older people have medical issues you fool. That doesn't mean they are about to die.My mother has high blood pressure and has had a hearth attack. If some selfish Kitson infected her with COVID because they couldn't be arsed to take simple precautions, and she died, your take is that she was at death's door anyway so her death doesn't matter. You don't have a clue how ignorant, dangerous and plain disgusting your attitude is.Get some perspective BST for petes sake. The general population doesn't have a responsibility to keep your mother alive, though obviously nobody willingly wants her to perish. If there were a million people dying per day, the general population still do not have a responsibility to keep your mother alive. If a million people a day were dying then it would still be freedom of choice whether someone wanted to wear a mask or take a vaccine too. A point you have missed all the way through. This might be harsh or uncaring but it is the truth. I don't have to wear a mask or get vaccinated to protect anyone - and here's the key point - IF I DO NOT WANT TO. Because it is my body, my choice. Whether that makes me selfish, irresponsible, dangerous, ignorant and plain disgusting is irrelevant. What is relevant that it is my choice to make because we don't live in North f**king Korea me old. We don't want or need to be told what we should do with our bodies by Governments as it none of their f**king business.Unbelievable! A post that makes my blood boil and stomach churn at the same time. Sickening! I of course realised there were selfish prats out there uncaringly putting people more vulnerable than themselves at risk by not being vaccinated, not wearing masks, breaking lockdown and social-distancing rules etc etc but I thought they were just unthinking, uncaring neanderthals. To see a well structured, seemingly lucid argument why this sort of behaviour is acceptable is shocking. You're beyond selfish sir: your attitude, opinions and actions are vile bordering on evil.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 28, 2022, 11:02:10 pmRead that f**king Twitter thread I posted and you ignored. The vast majority of older people have medical issues you fool. That doesn't mean they are about to die.My mother has high blood pressure and has had a hearth attack. If some selfish Kitson infected her with COVID because they couldn't be arsed to take simple precautions, and she died, your take is that she was at death's door anyway so her death doesn't matter. You don't have a clue how ignorant, dangerous and plain disgusting your attitude is.Get some perspective BST for petes sake. The general population doesn't have a responsibility to keep your mother alive, though obviously nobody willingly wants her to perish. If there were a million people dying per day, the general population still do not have a responsibility to keep your mother alive. If a million people a day were dying then it would still be freedom of choice whether someone wanted to wear a mask or take a vaccine too. A point you have missed all the way through. This might be harsh or uncaring but it is the truth. I don't have to wear a mask or get vaccinated to protect anyone - and here's the key point - IF I DO NOT WANT TO. Because it is my body, my choice. Whether that makes me selfish, irresponsible, dangerous, ignorant and plain disgusting is irrelevant. What is relevant that it is my choice to make because we don't live in North f**king Korea me old. We don't want or need to be told what we should do with our bodies by Governments as it none of their f**king business.
Read that f**king Twitter thread I posted and you ignored. The vast majority of older people have medical issues you fool. That doesn't mean they are about to die.My mother has high blood pressure and has had a hearth attack. If some selfish Kitson infected her with COVID because they couldn't be arsed to take simple precautions, and she died, your take is that she was at death's door anyway so her death doesn't matter. You don't have a clue how ignorant, dangerous and plain disgusting your attitude is.
No thanks Sydney, I'll just go with my gut instinct, it's served me well so far.
Was talking to a tradey mate earlier, he had his first jab and ended up with a blood clot on his lungs. He collapsed at his mates wedding reception.I will defo not be putting that poisonous shite in my body.
Are the numbers unprecedented or are they publicised more?
They didn’t used to stop games in the past for medical incidents in the crowd, I think some people are looking for things to justify their stance, based on nothing but their assumption. Do you know the medical or vaccination history of the fan concerned ? Or are you using his death to make an uninformed point?RIP to the Fulham fan
Quote from: Filo on January 30, 2022, 10:05:41 amThey didn’t used to stop games in the past for medical incidents in the crowd, I think some people are looking for things to justify their stance, based on nothing but their assumption. Do you know the medical or vaccination history of the fan concerned ? Or are you using his death to make an uninformed point?RIP to the Fulham fanNo and no.
Quote from: ColinDouglasHandshake on January 30, 2022, 10:24:00 amQuote from: Filo on January 30, 2022, 10:05:41 amThey didn’t used to stop games in the past for medical incidents in the crowd, I think some people are looking for things to justify their stance, based on nothing but their assumption. Do you know the medical or vaccination history of the fan concerned ? Or are you using his death to make an uninformed point?RIP to the Fulham fanNo and no. In that case you should refrain from implying that until the full facts are established
You can if you want to be an attention seeking, irresponsible adolescent.You can imply what you wish. The rest of us also have the right to tell you to grow up and take some f**king responsibility.There's a tsunami of utter shite coming from people on your side of the argument. Like Nudga constantly banging on about myocarditis. When the best research we have to date says you are SEVEN TIMES more likely to get myocarditis having had COVID than you are from any vaccine.Of course more people are getting heart trouble and blood clots. Because there's a f**king epidemic raging out there that gives some people heart trouble and blood clots.Just f**king well grow up and take some responsibility, or belt up.
No, words aren't meaningless in this. Words have driven gullible people into making catastrophically bad decisions for them, and more importantly for others. And in the information age, if people spout the sort of utter b*llocks that you and others have been spouting, and it goes unchecked, it becomes the truth. Nothing matters more than this over this next few decades. There are very, very powerful sources out there investing a lot of money in trying to f**k with people's heads with the explicit aim of destabilising our society. Every time useful idiots help them by gullibly repeating their ideas, they need slapping down.
No-one is forcing you to be vaccinated. Just that, if you insist that your own personal freedom to choose means you refuse to take simple steps to protect society as a whole, there should be consequences on your ability to engage in the benefits of that society.