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The vaccines have proved to be more effective than even scientists ever imagined, so even if it is as less effective against the Indian Variant as Prof Harnden says, it will still provide excellent protection.
With the Indian varient growing at such a rapid rate, with restrictions still in place, why take the risk? For the sake of a couple of weeks, we could have a much better understanding of what we face and what the risks really are.Why is meeting this date in the road map so vital?
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on May 15, 2021, 09:57:10 pmThe vaccines have proved to be more effective than even scientists ever imagined, so even if it is as less effective against the Indian Variant as Prof Harnden says, it will still provide excellent protection.Completely agree BB, but it is not about the vaccinated, the concern is about the unvaccinated.With 30% still unvaccinated, there is a pool of potential infections for the virus to target.As the virus works to its own advantage, there will be a rise in hospital admissions once the Indian variant takes hold.That also raises the potential for a further variant based upon the increased prevalence of the Indian strain in the UK.There is no real way of intervening other than a clamp down now.
If it was June now and they were going drop them restrictions I would agree but there is no evidence to stop Monday’s opening
It looks very much like this varient is much more transmissible.Why risk allowing people to mingle indoors on Monday, in confined still air where transmission is far more likely to happen?
Quote from: River Don on May 15, 2021, 11:22:00 pmWith the Indian varient growing at such a rapid rate, with restrictions still in place, why take the risk? For the sake of a couple of weeks, we could have a much better understanding of what we face and what the risks really are.Why is meeting this date in the road map so vital?what will change in 2 weeks? The younger ones still won’t have been vaccinated, you would have to pause it for 2 months
Right, time for bed, me thinks!
Quote from: River Don on May 15, 2021, 11:26:40 pmIt looks very much like this varient is much more transmissible.Why risk allowing people to mingle indoors on Monday, in confined still air where transmission is far more likely to happen? People are mingling indoors now.
Quote from: bpoolrover on May 15, 2021, 11:23:14 pmQuote from: River Don on May 15, 2021, 11:22:00 pmWith the Indian varient growing at such a rapid rate, with restrictions still in place, why take the risk? For the sake of a couple of weeks, we could have a much better understanding of what we face and what the risks really are.Why is meeting this date in the road map so vital?what will change in 2 weeks? The younger ones still won’t have been vaccinated, you would have to pause it for 2 months In a couple of weeks we might find the risks are acceptable in which case fine, loosen it up.But if it's as bad as feared... Then we'd have to take the decision to stay locked down until the vacinne is completely rolled out. For the sake of public health, the NHS and the economy that would be the right thing to do.
If only our prime minister had stopped flights from India a week earlier, as advised....What a f**king disgrace Johnson is.
why wasn't it done bp?
Quote from: bobjimwilly on May 15, 2021, 11:52:21 pmIf only our prime minister had stopped flights from India a week earlier, as advised....What a f**king disgrace Johnson is.the only way to stop it is to ban all travel in and out of the country as there were hundreds coming in from turkey
Quote from: River Don on May 15, 2021, 11:36:05 pmQuote from: bpoolrover on May 15, 2021, 11:23:14 pmQuote from: River Don on May 15, 2021, 11:22:00 pmWith the Indian varient growing at such a rapid rate, with restrictions still in place, why take the risk? For the sake of a couple of weeks, we could have a much better understanding of what we face and what the risks really are.Why is meeting this date in the road map so vital?what will change in 2 weeks? The younger ones still won’t have been vaccinated, you would have to pause it for 2 months In a couple of weeks we might find the risks are acceptable in which case fine, loosen it up.But if it's as bad as feared... Then we'd have to take the decision to stay locked down until the vacinne is completely rolled out. For the sake of public health, the NHS and the economy that would be the right thing to do.rd the thing you posted quoted that the vaccine should work against serious illness and death but not as well against transmission, if in 2 weeks he repeats that do you open up then?
BpoolPoint is this is nothing like flu.COVID spreads maybe 10x faster than flu. And we know that a bad flu season stretches the NHS to breaking point. Which is why we cannot afford to take chances with letting the new variant get out of control.Meanwhile BB's comment about taking personal responsibility is right as far as it goes. But it does only go so far. Because people cannot control much of their exposure to the virus. Look at Sweden where they effectively relied on that approach and ended up with an epidemic 5-10 times more severe than in neighbouring countries which had enforced lockdowns. And how does ME being careful prevent other people bringing in a dangerous variant from a country that we didn't enforce travel restrictions against?That is why we have Governments. To make these big enforcement decisions that we as individuals cannot enforce. I no it’s nothing like the flu lol
BpoolPoint is this is nothing like flu.COVID spreads maybe 10x faster than flu. And we know that a bad flu season stretches the NHS to breaking point. Which is why we cannot afford to take chances with letting the new variant get out of control.Meanwhile BB's comment about taking personal responsibility is right as far as it goes. But it does only go so far. Because people cannot control much of their exposure to the virus. Look at Sweden where they effectively relied on that approach and ended up with an epidemic 5-10 times more severe than in neighbouring countries which had enforced lockdowns. And how does ME being careful prevent other people bringing in a dangerous variant from a country that we didn't enforce travel restrictions against?That is why we have Governments. To make these big enforcement decisions that we as individuals cannot enforce.