NHS

[SydneyRover]

Definitely not funding then? bfyp

[wilts rover]

'Tory MP's, largely, do not care about these poor people and they don't care about the NHS'.

Said the bloke who is the main advisor to Boris Johnson. So you would think he might know.

https://twitter.com/JohnObee7/status/1193111297048616966

[SydneyRover]

Don't you just love the sniggers in the background?

[bpoolrover]

Sydney what is the solution to that? And dont say it's all funding, funding is higher than it was 10 years ago so what's the cause?

Is it? Then again I suppose if you can show that funding at a specific point today is £1 higher than a specific point 10 years ago - ignoring inflation and under funding for 10 years that have run the NHS into the ground - then in might be. But its not what this graph shows.

Or this second graph that shows how the most wealthy have increased their wealth - including those who run the private health care services that now benefit from NHS money - whilst NHS funding has stagnated.

There was a nurse on LBC radio yesterday saying that in his hospital around 75% of the nursing staff are from private agencies - and they get paid a third more than NHS nurses. Not that the nurse will receive that - the agency will.

So the NHS may have slightly more funding than 10 years ago. But this funding is not going to patient care. It is going to the profits of private care companies.

Under fund it, run the service down, allow private companies to take over, charge people for using it. It happened with the railways and royal mail, now its happening with the NHS. Jeremy Hunt literally wrote a book about it:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-hunt-privatise-nhs-tories-privatising-private-insurance-market-replacement-direct-democracy-a6865306.html

Your point about staffing is right, at many hospitals they are finding it hard to get staff,there seems to be a large shortage of auxiliary nurses now known as hca, I think one reason is they get paid around 9 pound a hour for hard work and a lot of stress, you can get a cleaning job or work in a supermarket and get 2 pound a hour more so can’t see them sorting the shortage out in a hurry

[BillyStubbsTears]

Read this. From that well-known socialist propaganda leaflet, the Financial Times.

https://amp.ft.com/content/e38af71c-0087-11ea-be59-e49b2a136b8d?__twitter_impression=true

Read it. Look at the graphs. Then ask yourself if you believe the Tories when they say the NHS is safe in their hands.

And here's the weirdest thing. By far the most likely age group to vote Tory is pensioners.

By far the biggest users of the NHS is...pensioners.

Those older ones in here who are insistent that have been supporting the Tories. You have LITERALLY been voting to increase the likelihood of the NHS failing you, just as you start to really need it.

Bizarre choices...

[SydneyRover]

I think this shows that if you want to keep and improve the NHS where your vote should go.

''General election 2019: Labour vows to outspend Tories on the NHS''

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-50397847

Look at the record of each party.

[albie]

Ever wondered if the winter crisis for the NHS was improving:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJU9E3cWsAA1Pbh.jpg

The trend line needs to be reversed asap.
I hope that comes before any of us needs to use the service.

[SydneyRover]

''NHS bosses accused of gagging staff during election campaign

''Staff say some trusts have gone too far in applying rules on political impartiality

Health workers have been told not to get involved in any political debates on social media during the campaign. NHS organisations have also banned staff from appearing in uniform or featuring any of their equipment, such as an ambulance, in their online posts or profiles''

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/nov/17/nhs-bosses-accused-of-gagging-staff-during-election-campaign

You would think that they would want their staff to be chatting wildly about how good everything is with low waiting lists, plenty of trained staff, good morale, modern facilities etc, anyone here due for a period in the naughty corner for outspoken comments: 

[albie]

Not looking too clever, this:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nhs-facing-unprecedented-shortage-lifesaving-20905265?d

Still, you can rely on Spaffmeister to sort it!

[wilts rover]

Boris Johnson used taxpayers' money to host the launch of a right-wing think tank that is campaigning to allow American companies to take over NHS contracts.

https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1196685691964534785

[albie]

The BMA have responded to Spaffman and his NHS plan;
https://www.bma.org.uk/news/media-centre/press-releases/2019/november/incredibly-disappointing-health-spending-in-conservative-manifesto-does-not-meet-levels-needed

Voting for your Nan to spend hours on a trolley in a corridor.....waiting for a US corporation to check she is fully insured!

[BillyStubbsTears]

And as I have pointed out before, the demographic who most support Johnson are precisely those who will most need the NHS over the next decade. Truly bizarre self-harming behaviour.

[SydneyRover]

News conf, jc has leaked docs detailing negotiations between tory's and US around NHS

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Except Sydney it appears it doesnt really say that.  Note I have not read it so may be wrong.

The general gist of some of the press though appears to be it doesnt really say anything new, which would make it a bizarre announcement.

[Filo]

Except Sydney it appears it doesnt really say that.  Note I have not read it so may be wrong.

The general gist of some of the press though appears to be it doesnt really say anything new, which would make it a bizarre announcement.

451 pages long, I doubt the press have read it yet, Johnson has bot the BBC onside no doubt about it

[selby]

According to Talk Radio it is a document that they have been quoting from for at least two years,  They  have been ridiculed all morning all the labour spokesmen have been shot down when asked to substantiate their claims.
 

[Ldr]

Its nothing new, just a deflection from last night.

[BillyStubbsTears]

According to Talk Radio it is a document that they have been quoting from for at least two years,  They  have been ridiculed all morning all the labour spokesmen have been shot down when asked to substantiate their claims.
 

According to WHO on Talk Radio?

[Filo]

According to Talk Radio it is a document that they have been quoting from for at least two years,  They  have been ridiculed all morning all the labour spokesmen have been shot down when asked to substantiate their claims.
 

Not sure about that, parts of the document are from the summer

[selby]

 Billy, on the mike Graham show, one of the exoerts they had going over the paperwork put out by the Labour Party, it is just a damage limitation exorcise, much like all the texts etc. put out after last nights disastrous interview.
   Everything is unravelling buddy, they are in the doo doo and more trucks are arriving by the hour.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Yes but WHO was the expert?

[Herbert Anchovy]

The Tories calling Corbyn a liar? There’s a delicious irony there (40 new hospitals anyone?)

Everything has a price with the Tories. They’ve sold off almost everything else we have and there’s no doubt that in a post Brexit Britain that the NHS will be on the table. How on earth people fall for their faux concern for the NHS is beyond me.

[selby]

  What about the womaniser bit, he is into his third marriage and god knows who on the side. Well we know of one, and you just wouldn't if you had any standards would you?

[GazLaz]

The most alarming thing I’ve seen in the document is that I’d says the US will benefit more from a harder Brexit. Exactly what Boris has been peddling. The less legislation we retain from Europe the more profitable we are for the big Yank businesses.

[Ldr]

The Tories calling Corbyn a liar? There’s a delicious irony there (40 new hospitals anyone?)

Everything has a price with the Tories. They’ve sold off almost everything else we have and there’s no doubt that in a post Brexit Britain that the NHS will be on the table. How on earth people fall for their faux concern for the NHS is beyond me.

So that makes Labour incapable of lying does it?

[Herbert Anchovy]

The Tories calling Corbyn a liar? There’s a delicious irony there (40 new hospitals anyone?)

Everything has a price with the Tories. They’ve sold off almost everything else we have and there’s no doubt that in a post Brexit Britain that the NHS will be on the table. How on earth people fall for their faux concern for the NHS is beyond me.

So that makes Labour incapable of lying does it?

Not said that at all LDR. However Labour have provided proof that discussions on selling parts of the NHS have taken place. What more evidence do you want?

[Ldr]

The Tories calling Corbyn a liar? There’s a delicious irony there (40 new hospitals anyone?)

Everything has a price with the Tories. They’ve sold off almost everything else we have and there’s no doubt that in a post Brexit Britain that the NHS will be on the table. How on earth people fall for their faux concern for the NHS is beyond me.

So that makes Labour incapable of lying does it?

Not said that at all LDR. However Labour have provided proof that discussions on selling parts of the NHS have taken place. What more evidence do you want?

See what I have read is labour have claimed that with nothing to back it up. People believe what they want atm. Both sides are lying which is why I cant in any conscience vote for either

[bpoolrover]

The Tories calling Corbyn a liar? There’s a delicious irony there (40 new hospitals anyone?)

Everything has a price with the Tories. They’ve sold off almost everything else we have and there’s no doubt that in a post Brexit Britain that the NHS will be on the table. How on earth people fall for their faux concern for the NHS is beyond me.

So that makes Labour incapable of lying does it?

Not said that at all LDR. However Labour have provided proof that discussions on selling parts of the NHS have taken place. What more evidence do you want?

if labour got in government would the us be in talks with them to? Just because someone asks it does not mean they will sell

[Herbert Anchovy]

The Tories calling Corbyn a liar? There’s a delicious irony there (40 new hospitals anyone?)

Everything has a price with the Tories. They’ve sold off almost everything else we have and there’s no doubt that in a post Brexit Britain that the NHS will be on the table. How on earth people fall for their faux concern for the NHS is beyond me.

So that makes Labour incapable of lying does it?

Not said that at all LDR. However Labour have provided proof that discussions on selling parts of the NHS have taken place. What more evidence do you want?

See what I have read is labour have claimed that with nothing to back it up. People believe what they want atm. Both sides are lying which is why I cant in any conscience vote for either

Well I’m not sure what you’re reading LDR but, according to the BBC:
“Labour obtained uncensored documents covering 6 rounds of talks between UK and US officials.”

“They show that the US is interested in drug pricing - mainly extending patents that stop cheaper medicines being used.”

“The US currently pays two and a half times more for drugs than the NHS does.”

“The document make reference to the US wanting total market access as a starting point”

So, what more proof do you need? Or are you in denial?

[Ldr]

The same article also states

"One document quotes a UK official saying the talks are helpful in determining the areas the US may want to discuss, while acknowledging the UK would have objections."

Wonder why you chose not to quote that bit