NHS

[Herbert Anchovy]

The same article also states

"One document quotes a UK official saying the talks are helpful in determining the areas the US may want to discuss, while acknowledging the UK would have objections."

Wonder why you chose not to quote that bit

What on Earth does that part of the article prove? The fact here is that we’re discussing the potential sale of parts of the NHS!! Why are you denying this? You’re really clutching at straws here.

[Ldr]

Another bit you missed

Jeremy Corbyn doesn't provide evidence ministers have agreed the health service should be part of a trade deal with US.

You really are programmed to believe what comes out of Corbyns mouth as gospel regardless aren't you

[Ldr]

The point km making HA is you want to believe it to be true even though there is nothing proved in there

[Herbert Anchovy]

Another bit you missed

Jeremy Corbyn doesn't provide evidence ministers have agreed the health service should be part of a trade deal with US.

You really are programmed to believe what comes out of Corbyns mouth as gospel regardless aren't you

You’re starting to look silly now. Let me explain another way. Labour have provided evidence that UK Government officials game met their US counterparts within preparatory trade talk meetings. Within those meetings the US made clear that drug pricing was on the agenda. We didn’t say it was off the table, we didn’t say it wasn’t for sale. The US said that they wanted total market access. What part of this are you struggling with? Even though the facts are plainly in sight you’re still in denial?

[Filo]

Another bit you missed

Jeremy Corbyn doesn't provide evidence ministers have agreed the health service should be part of a trade deal with US.

You really are programmed to believe what comes out of Corbyns mouth as gospel regardless aren't you

You’re starting to look silly now. Let me explain another way. Labour have provided evidence that UK Government officials game met their US counterparts within preparatory trade talk meetings. Within those meetings the US made clear that drug pricing was on the agenda. We didn’t say it was off the table, we didn’t say it wasn’t for sale. The US said that they wanted total market access. What part of this are you struggling with? Even though the facts are plainly in sight you’re still in denial?

Agreed, at that point it should have been made clear that it is not up for discussion, instead the door was left open

[Ldr]

Ffs you cant educate pork

[BillyStubbsTears]

The Tories calling Corbyn a liar? There’s a delicious irony there (40 new hospitals anyone?)

Everything has a price with the Tories. They’ve sold off almost everything else we have and there’s no doubt that in a post Brexit Britain that the NHS will be on the table. How on earth people fall for their faux concern for the NHS is beyond me.

So that makes Labour incapable of lying does it?

It's about evidence Ldr.

There is copious evidence of the Tories lying, from the number of new hospitals they are currently funding (6, not 40 as Johnson keeps insisting) through renaming their Twitter feed FactCheckUk, through to them fabricating a BBC website to give the appearance that the BBC agreed with their lie on school funding. And then there's the career long record of Johnson's lies about everything from bent bananas to the presence of the Press in a room. Given that he has twice been sacked by a boss for lying about matters of objective truth (fabricating a newspaper article and claiming he wasn't having an affair when he was) it's difficult to give him the benefit of the doubt on anything he claims.

Then there's Cummings, with a track record of pushing lies about our EU payment, the accession of Turkey to the EU and the EU being responsible for culling polar bears.

There's a long and consistent trend of lying about objective truth.

I've asked time and again if anyone has equivalent evidence about Corbyn and the Labour Party lying, and no-one has shown anything remotely close.

[Filo]

Ffs you cant educate pork

You certainly can’t

[Herbert Anchovy]

Ffs you cant educate pork

Now you’re resorting to insults. Classic ploy of a defeated man.  Pop off and read your Daily Mail now.

[Not Now Kato]

According to Talk Radio it is a document that they have been quoting from for at least two years,  They  have been ridiculed all morning all the labour spokesmen have been shot down when asked to substantiate their claims.
 

The Tories have been 'quoting' from is a redacted version that was well hidden on line!
 
You can download and read the whole document here....  https://openload.cc/M8MbD08fn7/OFFICIAL-SENSITIVE_UK-US_TIWG_READOUT_zip
 
Read it and weep!

[bpoolrover]

While both sides will say they are right, corbyn said he has proof the nhs is for sale, that he cannot probe can he? He can prove that they talked about the nhs but not that it is for sale

[wilts rover]

Ldr and bpool are factually correct.

The fact that UK/US officials, including Liam Fox, trade minister, have been in secret negotiations for three years (which they denied were taking place) including how US pharma companies will have access to NHS markets after Brexit does not of course mean that these negotiations will ever be concluded.

Similarly when Grant McCann was in discussion with officials from Hull City about becoming manager at Hull City that did not prove he would be manager of Hull City. But are you really telling us he wouldn't have been in the negotiations if he didn't!!!

Time to rewatch the Channel 4 dispatches lads and educate yourselves - you've been had. This is what Brexit was really about whether you like it or not.

[bpoolrover]

If tories win the election then let’s see if they sell the nhs like corbyn says

[drfchound]

The thing is blackpool, that those people can never be wrong can they.
If it was sold they would say "we told you so" and while ever it isn't sold they will say "ah but wait and see, it will be sold".

[bpoolrover]

Yes hound for the last 30 odd years I can remember every general election they have said the same thing, I won’t class as a lie thou

[Bentley Bullet]

Do you mean a bit like saying I bet you a million quid the world won't come to an end this Christmas eve?

[SydneyRover]

I see all the actors that want to balance the debate are here 

[DonnyOsmond]

Another bit you missed

Jeremy Corbyn doesn't provide evidence ministers have agreed the health service should be part of a trade deal with US.

You really are programmed to believe what comes out of Corbyns mouth as gospel regardless aren't you

And it sounds like you take everything Corbyn says to be a lie. You're blinded.

[DonnyOsmond]

If tories win the election then let’s see if they sell the nhs like corbyn says

And then what? None of us normal folk win from that.

[selby]

Don't worry about paying for anything folks, the labour party have found millions of money trees, and YOU are one.

[drfchound]

I see all the actors that want to balance the debate are here 

Yep, I noticed you were back.

[DonnyOsmond]

Don't worry about paying for anything folks, the labour party have found millions of money trees, and YOU are one.

Not unless any of us are in the top 5%. Luckily not everyone is as gullible as you.

[SydneyRover]

What we know so far, Johnson is an inveterate liar and tell the British public the NHS is not for sale but we are going to do a trade deal with the US.

Document shows details of negotiations with the US.

US say full access to NHS is required to complete a trade deal

Johnson's priority is to crash out no-deal

[Bentley Bullet]

Don't worry about paying for anything folks, the labour party have found millions of money trees, and YOU are one.

Not unless any of us are in the top 5%. Luckily not everyone is as gullible as you.

Pensioners on £14k will pay MORE tax.

[SydneyRover]

Supporting proof required bb

[wilts rover]

If the NHS or constituent parts of it or contracts to supply to it are 'Not for Sale' - why doesn't it say so in the documents released today?

Surely at some point in the 6 meetings held over 3 years (its now 7 btw - Johnson had one in August -C4 Dispatches so documents are from before then) you would have thought a British official might have mentioned it?

[Bentley Bullet]

3.6 million married people on low and middle incomes will also pay more tax.

[SydneyRover]

General election 2019: UK-US trade deal - what do the leaked documents show?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-50572502

Commonsense would tell you that in any negotiations for a trade deal with the US if they don't get what they want it will mean longer negotiations, months, years? They will want compensation in other areas, more costs to UK, or no trade deal.

[SydneyRover]

3.6 million married people on low and middle incomes will also pay more tax.

No proof no cred

[Bentley Bullet]

https://youtu.be/8EySXP15S8k