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Hound.That is a profoundly depressing thing to read. So once again you're implying that I'm lying.If the Tories proposed economic policies that would benefit the country as a whole and the working classes and North in particular,and Labour didn't, I would vote Tory. Categorically.The fact is that that has never been the case in my lifetime.
Quote from: scawsby steve on November 28, 2019, 07:16:19 pmQuote from: Donnywolf on November 27, 2019, 10:41:16 pmLets just hope its a hung ParliamentAlmost none of them deserve any credit and almost none of them have any creditability left - not that that will bother them in the slightestWild predictions / mainfesto promises made on both sides of the divide which we KNOW as "average men in the street" are 99% pie in the sky - and we all KNOW that whoever wins will barely keep a single one of the promises they are spouting nowI am fed up with the f*****g lot of themJoin the club Wolfie mate. I've been saying all of that on here for ages, and have been acused of "lazy thinking".I have also joined your club Steve but if I post anything similar to what Wolfie has written I get bombarded by people telling me how wrong I am.Apparently even respected bodies like the IFS are wrong when they question the manifestos of the leading parties.
Quote from: Donnywolf on November 27, 2019, 10:41:16 pmLets just hope its a hung ParliamentAlmost none of them deserve any credit and almost none of them have any creditability left - not that that will bother them in the slightestWild predictions / mainfesto promises made on both sides of the divide which we KNOW as "average men in the street" are 99% pie in the sky - and we all KNOW that whoever wins will barely keep a single one of the promises they are spouting nowI am fed up with the f*****g lot of themJoin the club Wolfie mate. I've been saying all of that on here for ages, and have been acused of "lazy thinking".
Lets just hope its a hung ParliamentAlmost none of them deserve any credit and almost none of them have any creditability left - not that that will bother them in the slightestWild predictions / mainfesto promises made on both sides of the divide which we KNOW as "average men in the street" are 99% pie in the sky - and we all KNOW that whoever wins will barely keep a single one of the promises they are spouting nowI am fed up with the f*****g lot of them
One very obvious thing about this forum is that anyone who criticises Labour must be voting Tory.
Hound.I dislike them because of the policies that they usually stand for! Like I just said, if they proposed policies that I considered beneficial and Labour did not, I'd vote for them.
So are you saying that I am lying.To be honest I don’t really care how you interpret my posts.And yes, I do think that most politicians are habitual stretchers of the truth.As DW has said earlier tonight, they are probably mostly in it for themselves.I didn’t see you jump on his post for saying that by the way.
Hound.Once again, I for one have never suggested you were going to vote Tory. But as I said, if you don't want a Labour PM, by definition you want Johnson as PM.This is a straightforward binary choice. So, whatever your protestations, if you're not going to vote in a way that makes a Labour PM more likely, you're supporting Johnson. That's just a fact.For balance, I'll say again what I have said frequently. Those on the Left who couldn't bring themselves to vote for a Gordon Brown Labour Govt in 2010 (and there are several hundred thousand of them) were endorsing a Cameron Govt and the ensuing problems of Austerity.
Quote from: drfchound on November 28, 2019, 10:04:32 pmSo are you saying that I am lying.To be honest I don’t really care how you interpret my posts.And yes, I do think that most politicians are habitual stretchers of the truth.As DW has said earlier tonight, they are probably mostly in it for themselves.I didn’t see you jump on his post for saying that by the way.Ramp it up by all means.What I am saying is that you're not engaging with the facts, if you don't happen to like Cornyn which many don't, who cares, but if you suggest that he's as bad as Johnson without saying why then you don't deserve respect in what is supposed to be a reasoned debate. Yes I'm guilty of dragging the debate down at times but it's usually because of the bb syndrome, circular arguments, avoiding questions to fairly basic questions, not supporting ones statements and changing the subject.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on November 28, 2019, 10:18:53 pmHound.Once again, I for one have never suggested you were going to vote Tory. But as I said, if you don't want a Labour PM, by definition you want Johnson as PM.This is a straightforward binary choice. So, whatever your protestations, if you're not going to vote in a way that makes a Labour PM more likely, you're supporting Johnson. That's just a fact.For balance, I'll say again what I have said frequently. Those on the Left who couldn't bring themselves to vote for a Gordon Brown Labour Govt in 2010 (and there are several hundred thousand of them) were endorsing a Cameron Govt and the ensuing problems of Austerity.I wanted to call it a day over this but I just saw your add on post.As I have said numerous times, my vote locally won’t make any difference to the outcome in Don Valley.I vote Labour and they win by one more vote.I vote for another candidate (whoever it is) and Labour win by one less vote.If I vote for say, Lib Dem, that implies that I want Swinson to be PM which doesn’t fit well with your suggestion that I want Johnson to be PM.Whoever I vote for is irrelevant as we both know that JC or BJ will be PM and my vote won’t change that.
Quote from: SydneyRover on November 28, 2019, 10:21:20 pmQuote from: drfchound on November 28, 2019, 10:04:32 pmSo are you saying that I am lying.To be honest I don’t really care how you interpret my posts.And yes, I do think that most politicians are habitual stretchers of the truth.As DW has said earlier tonight, they are probably mostly in it for themselves.I didn’t see you jump on his post for saying that by the way.Ramp it up by all means.What I am saying is that you're not engaging with the facts, if you don't happen to like Cornyn which many don't, who cares, but if you suggest that he's as bad as Johnson without saying why then you don't deserve respect in what is supposed to be a reasoned debate. Yes I'm guilty of dragging the debate down at times but it's usually because of the bb syndrome, circular arguments, avoiding questions to fairly basic questions, not supporting ones statements and changing the subject.Ramp it up?What are you on?
Quote from: drfchound on November 28, 2019, 10:30:55 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on November 28, 2019, 10:21:20 pmQuote from: drfchound on November 28, 2019, 10:04:32 pmSo are you saying that I am lying.To be honest I don’t really care how you interpret my posts.And yes, I do think that most politicians are habitual stretchers of the truth.As DW has said earlier tonight, they are probably mostly in it for themselves.I didn’t see you jump on his post for saying that by the way.Ramp it up by all means.What I am saying is that you're not engaging with the facts, if you don't happen to like Cornyn which many don't, who cares, but if you suggest that he's as bad as Johnson without saying why then you don't deserve respect in what is supposed to be a reasoned debate. Yes I'm guilty of dragging the debate down at times but it's usually because of the bb syndrome, circular arguments, avoiding questions to fairly basic questions, not supporting ones statements and changing the subject.Ramp it up?What are you on?By suggesting I'm calling you a liar, But you could have addressed the other concerns which I mentioned but you didn't so here we go again on the hamster wheel.
Maybe you should have a nice cup of tea and read through our comments again
hound ''So are you saying that I am lying.''
Quote from: SydneyRover on November 29, 2019, 09:11:39 pmhound ''So are you saying that I am lying.'' That clearly is a question.I know I could have put a question mark at the end to make it easier for you to understand.
Quote from: drfchound on November 29, 2019, 09:13:01 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on November 29, 2019, 09:11:39 pmhound ''So are you saying that I am lying.'' That clearly is a question.I know I could have put a question mark at the end to make it easier for you to understand.Please yourself hound believe what you want if it makes you feel better
There is a Full Fact briefing on the 40 hospitals fairytale from Spaffman;https://fullfact.org/health/six-hospitals-not-forty/For those interested in the NHS topic.
Quote from: albie on November 29, 2019, 11:55:32 pmThere is a Full Fact briefing on the 40 hospitals fairytale from Spaffman;https://fullfact.org/health/six-hospitals-not-forty/For those interested in the NHS topic.How much are the Yanks prepared to pay for the NHS ? 😗😗😗