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Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on December 13, 2019, 09:33:57 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on December 13, 2019, 08:56:58 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on December 13, 2019, 05:05:54 pmAnd the day after a huge Tory win, another record has been broken. For the first time ever, every single A&E unit in the country has missed its waiting time targets. Nice one Tories, nice one...Tell me how throwing another 100 million pounds or whatever sum you want the government to spend is going to cure waiting lists. It’s so simple isn’t it. Come on tell me how it’s going to solve it. We never had waiting time targets missed under a labour government did we. Never never never. As I said. It’s never happened before. Ever. Never under Tory, Labour or Liberal governments. Until now. If you voted Tory you are part of the problem.But there have been waiting time targets not met under Labour. Yes or No?The NHS is a national problem. Not a Tory or Labour problem. There is no quick fix. If there was it would have been sorted by Labour between 1997 and 2010 What did labour do. Did they build new hospitals did they put a massive investment into the NHS? No they did not.No the Labour Party masquerade as being the party of the people, the party of the working class & what a dreadful mess they have made of that. Any way please tell me what being working class means or what being middle class means in 2019I hate the class word because i don’t believe in it. What makes someone working class or middle class.Where is the distinguishing line between the two.So example. 40 year old man who’s father was a miner and he has a job as a senior manager in a middle size or large company. What class is he? Load of old 1970’s tosh. Please can we confine class to the history books where it belongs. Blue collar or white collar are all workers are they not. It really is a load of garbage. Bin it where it belongs.The Labour Party need to bin it or they are history. If they don’t appeal to a very wide range of income groups then they are never going to govern this country again.
Quote from: Campsall rover on December 13, 2019, 08:56:58 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on December 13, 2019, 05:05:54 pmAnd the day after a huge Tory win, another record has been broken. For the first time ever, every single A&E unit in the country has missed its waiting time targets. Nice one Tories, nice one...Tell me how throwing another 100 million pounds or whatever sum you want the government to spend is going to cure waiting lists. It’s so simple isn’t it. Come on tell me how it’s going to solve it. We never had waiting time targets missed under a labour government did we. Never never never. As I said. It’s never happened before. Ever. Never under Tory, Labour or Liberal governments. Until now. If you voted Tory you are part of the problem.
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on December 13, 2019, 05:05:54 pmAnd the day after a huge Tory win, another record has been broken. For the first time ever, every single A&E unit in the country has missed its waiting time targets. Nice one Tories, nice one...Tell me how throwing another 100 million pounds or whatever sum you want the government to spend is going to cure waiting lists. It’s so simple isn’t it. Come on tell me how it’s going to solve it. We never had waiting time targets missed under a labour government did we. Never never never.
And the day after a huge Tory win, another record has been broken. For the first time ever, every single A&E unit in the country has missed its waiting time targets. Nice one Tories, nice one...
That the party who’ve continually reduced funding for the NHS have suddenly convinced people that they’re the party to make it work! BB, the Tories have never, ever considered the NHS as anything other than a drain of the countries resources. Do the latest A&E figures mean nothing?
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on December 13, 2019, 10:45:26 pmThat the party who’ve continually reduced funding for the NHS have suddenly convinced people that they’re the party to make it work! BB, the Tories have never, ever considered the NHS as anything other than a drain of the countries resources. Do the latest A&E figures mean nothing? Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on December 13, 2019, 10:45:26 pmThat the party who’ve continually reduced funding for the NHS have suddenly convinced people that they’re the party to make it work! BB, the Tories have never, ever considered the NHS as anything other than a drain of the countries resources. Do the latest A&E figures mean nothing? Herbert, you seem to think that all Tory voters don't care about the NHS, and only care for themselves. That's about as daft as Remoaners who claimed all leave voters were racists. Many voters from all over the country changed alliance from Labour to Tory in this election, many from the staunch left South Yorkshire area who were previously life-time Labour supporters. Do you really think they have all turned their backs on the NHS by voting Tory? People just don't change principals like that. Maybe they changed their vote because they believe Boris Johnson will end austerity and take us forward more than they believe in Corbyn's back to the 70's policies. Perhaps many voters want to forget those times.
Herbert, Jeremy Corbyn would have NEVER convinced me to vote for him. If it was a choice of Tory or Labour I would have voted Tory. It seems I'm in the majority.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on December 14, 2019, 04:47:59 amHerbert, Jeremy Corbyn would have NEVER convinced me to vote for him. If it was a choice of Tory or Labour I would have voted Tory. It seems I'm in the majority.Many people thought the same BB. It seems that people are willing to sacrifice things such as the NHS to ‘get Brexit done’. Which is tragic, but those who’ve voted Tory in labour heartlands are going to have to reap what they sow unfortunately
Quote from: Not Now Kato on December 13, 2019, 10:32:23 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on December 13, 2019, 10:28:06 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on December 13, 2019, 10:25:11 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on December 13, 2019, 08:56:58 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on December 13, 2019, 05:05:54 pmAnd the day after a huge Tory win, another record has been broken. For the first time ever, every single A&E unit in the country has missed its waiting time targets. Nice one Tories, nice one...Tell me how throwing another 100 million pounds or whatever sum you want the government to spend is going to cure waiting lists. It’s so simple isn’t it. Come on tell me how it’s going to solve it. We never had waiting time targets missed under a labour government did we. Never never never. OK Campsall, we know it's failing as it is, so how do YOU suggest it gets fixed?Thought I was the one who asked the question. Strange isn’t it i have not received an answer. Putting more money into he NHS would pay for more equipment, more facilities, more doctors, more nurses and more hospitals, (look how many local hospitals the Tories closed to 'centralise' and 'save money'). OK I've answered your question, now you answer mine!Boris Has said 6 new hospitals to be built immediately and a total of 40 over the next few years. That’s a massive investment in the NHS. Did Labour do that? Think we know the answer to that one. The point is if we don’t have a strong economy nothing will get done will it. The electorate certainly didn’t trust Labour with that task did they. Seen the shambles they leave the country in after each of their terms.
Quote from: Campsall rover on December 13, 2019, 10:28:06 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on December 13, 2019, 10:25:11 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on December 13, 2019, 08:56:58 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on December 13, 2019, 05:05:54 pmAnd the day after a huge Tory win, another record has been broken. For the first time ever, every single A&E unit in the country has missed its waiting time targets. Nice one Tories, nice one...Tell me how throwing another 100 million pounds or whatever sum you want the government to spend is going to cure waiting lists. It’s so simple isn’t it. Come on tell me how it’s going to solve it. We never had waiting time targets missed under a labour government did we. Never never never. OK Campsall, we know it's failing as it is, so how do YOU suggest it gets fixed?Thought I was the one who asked the question. Strange isn’t it i have not received an answer. Putting more money into he NHS would pay for more equipment, more facilities, more doctors, more nurses and more hospitals, (look how many local hospitals the Tories closed to 'centralise' and 'save money'). OK I've answered your question, now you answer mine!
Quote from: Not Now Kato on December 13, 2019, 10:25:11 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on December 13, 2019, 08:56:58 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on December 13, 2019, 05:05:54 pmAnd the day after a huge Tory win, another record has been broken. For the first time ever, every single A&E unit in the country has missed its waiting time targets. Nice one Tories, nice one...Tell me how throwing another 100 million pounds or whatever sum you want the government to spend is going to cure waiting lists. It’s so simple isn’t it. Come on tell me how it’s going to solve it. We never had waiting time targets missed under a labour government did we. Never never never. OK Campsall, we know it's failing as it is, so how do YOU suggest it gets fixed?Thought I was the one who asked the question. Strange isn’t it i have not received an answer.
Quote from: Campsall rover on December 13, 2019, 08:56:58 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on December 13, 2019, 05:05:54 pmAnd the day after a huge Tory win, another record has been broken. For the first time ever, every single A&E unit in the country has missed its waiting time targets. Nice one Tories, nice one...Tell me how throwing another 100 million pounds or whatever sum you want the government to spend is going to cure waiting lists. It’s so simple isn’t it. Come on tell me how it’s going to solve it. We never had waiting time targets missed under a labour government did we. Never never never. OK Campsall, we know it's failing as it is, so how do YOU suggest it gets fixed?
I actually said “it could be said that it might come from a similar place to where Labour were going to find it” and I never mentioned BB.Facts sir, get them right.
so that's where taxing the rich and closing tax loopholes for business enters the frame hound
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on December 14, 2019, 04:52:52 amQuote from: Bentley Bullet on December 14, 2019, 04:47:59 amHerbert, Jeremy Corbyn would have NEVER convinced me to vote for him. If it was a choice of Tory or Labour I would have voted Tory. It seems I'm in the majority.Many people thought the same BB. It seems that people are willing to sacrifice things such as the NHS to ‘get Brexit done’. Which is tragic, but those who’ve voted Tory in labour heartlands are going to have to reap what they sow unfortunatelyWhy are you so bitter Herbert. Why are you convinced Boris will not invest in the NHS when he has already said what is planned. I think you are deluded if you think all these voters that put a tick in the Conservative candidate box don’t care about the NHS.I care very much about it & so do probably at least 99% of the population.There is a reason why People didn’t vote Labour, you really do need to try & understand that and accept it.
Maybe those who voted for Boris prefered a liar to someone who they think is a threat to national security and has previous dodgy associations with terrorists?
For your consideration, one and all:https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/ournhs/tories-target-northern-voters-nhs-message-all-about-blaming-migrants/Join the dots and the message will appear.
The sad fact shocking as it is. no one is surprised Albie
Quote from: SydneyRover on January 15, 2020, 11:58:35 amThe sad fact shocking as it is. no one is surprised AlbieSet a target that an never be achieved, sounds like Blairite garbage, good riddance.